Pickleball Players ACCUSE Opponents of Using Illegal Paddles

[@joseyerenajr-ry8ck]

Easy fix, provide one brand of paddle at all pro tournaments. At the end of each day judges collect each paddle and give back the next day. That way no questions in paddles. If your a pro you can win with any paddle.

[@phantomplayz7952]

Salomes grunts piss me off

[@brianwilson1845]

It ruins the an experience and is unnecessary !!!

[@cristianmetz9470]

🤭 it's deff not adding to the experience lol

[@matthewdragomir2261]

They definitely need full paddle testing before matches. Players should submit their paddles before play begins in order to avoid any controversy. Secondly, with matches continually getting more competitive and netting higher earnings, they should adopt an electronic line calling system like hawkeye which is used in tennis if possible. The sport is growing at an astronomical rate and the PPA needs to keep up with the times or suffer "McEnroesque" meltdowns on the court.

[@TwoBlueScrews]

Coming from tennis to pb and have only played three times so far, but this is all silly. You will never be able to regulate this cleanly. Best thing to do is let the paddle makers make what they want. The game is neutered enough, having paddles that get great power and have crazy good spin won't hurt the sport at all.

[@johncooper7663]

Outside, windy combined with spin is hard. I'm pretty good and I've wiffed on balls that moved. Don't need extra spin.

[@masterflamewing234]

This makes pickle ball even more of a joke as “pros” are bitching at equipment getting better. It’d be like table tennis players requesting tenergy 09c and tenergy 05 banned lmfao

[@TwoBlueScrews]

@@masterflamewing234 agreed

[@JimAssalone]

@@masterflamewing234 Pickleball is driven by the masses who will never play tournaments. Allow technology to take over and you have mini-tennis something nobody really wants or needs.

[@JimAssalone]

@@johncooper7663 All spin can be negated by opponent but too much speed beats reflexes and can be dangerous. Allow more spin regulate pace.

[@meihao2002]

Lea should not be allowed to play any pro game.

[@kim267]

Lea Jansen complains about anything and everything when she's not winning. She's probably the most inconsiderate and sore loser of all the pros. Always gamesmanship with her.

[@wildeagle5791]

The USAPA needs to create field testing for all aspects of the paddle not just grit.

[@richardkanna5093]

gay ass sports tennis >> pickleball all day.

[@williewasahippie]

"I need you to check her pickle."

[@jamesgordy880]

Will adding 3 ozs of lead tape change the sound of the paddle.

[@RichardsWorld]

Remember when Kyle Yates was the Top Gun? I think he had specifically made or modified paddles. Paddletek came out with new models and he delayed using them for as long as he could. His paddle did sound different from anything else. After he switched to the new model of paddles he kind of disappeared for a couple years.

[@unclippable]

bro the grunting in pickleball is completely unnecessary loool

[@Liber8d]

totally agree! ridiculous

[@Kartertheblackmamba]

Then you ain’t hitting the ball hard enough 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@flukyreview9128]

If you are not making noises when you hit you not making effort. You played tennis? Like in a competitive level? Your pickle ball is foe wusses

[@elvnprince]

Seriously, it's a borderline distraction offense because she's humming/grunting AFTER her strike and sustaining her volume until nearly her opponents strike. She's super distracting while just barely avoiding it being a technical distraction.

[@flukyreview9128]

@@elvnprince you are apparently a wuss. You played or watch tennis. If anything alll that loud music in the background in pickle ball is more distracting. You must be a snowflake. Hmmm CERTIFIED LIFE COACH? Really? What make believe online psychologist scam did you throw your money away to? Anyone can call themselves a life coach. Bwhahahahahahaha

[@tonloc8]

Wow, pickleball players are a bunch of bush league players huh? Don't know why KZbin suggestion this but its a great reminder to not play this petty game

[@vickyholly689]

Wow! Sound like what happens with rec league softball bats.

[@adammccutchan2357]

Love this channel!

[@ajones68]

you have to look at whos accusing. The biggest crybabies in the sport.

[@krazieecko]

These crybaby pros just can't accept that they suck and can't win because Ben Johns and Anna Leigh don't seem to have any problems winning games against a delammed paddle. It's not the wand, it's the wizard.

[@surfineagle6076]

Didn’t sound like Travis was crying about it at all and you could totally hear a difference in Tyson’s paddles.

[@richardcrawford6287]

Yep, here is a thought. PLAY BETTER!

[@YourUltimateGod]

Just make them all legal, or go back to the wooden paddle. They make them illegal to cater to people who can’t run and hit. 😂

[@JK-vc7ie]

Karen move: lose badly and then ask that your opponent's equipment get checked

[@ABCDEFG-xd3le]

The top player suck. top players are getting killed by many new players

[@youngsuit]

there will be a league where they allow delaminated paddles and people will watch that league more

[@JordanSchaeffer]

I didn't think the 002 was thermoformed. It seems weird that it would all of a sudden be getting more powerful if it delaminated (but never did before now). Salome was really hitting rockets in her game with Lea. Lea was being really immature about it but she may have had a point... The ball was coming off of Salome's paddle so fast

[@springfield03sniper]

I’m not a fan of either, but I watched the match and Salome could have beaten that version of Lea with a Walmart paddle. Also, with Leas history of line calls, not exactly the person to be talking about sportsmanship.

[@JordanSchaeffer]

@@springfield03sniper Yeah I was hoping they could both lose...

[@ghxstleader485]

@@JordanSchaeffer they can and did

[@Wesquire]

The Joola CFS is also thermoformed

[@madrum]

I expect a 10.5oz paddle to hit pretty hard!

[@StewsReplay]

When the money finally came....the Accusations exploded..."nice, players, great community"

[@nnamuenmada]

Other ball sports rarely see equipment cheating, the only cheating margin left is on players themselves like stimulants. So long way to go to Pickle Ball industry and I blame PPA for not establishing good foundations

[@rifedives318]

Good video. Interesting that Tyson recognized that his paddle was 'hot' and switched to a secondary one, makes me wonder if that was planned. Win the first game and break your opponents confidence, then act like it was a mistake. Salome mentioned that she only has one paddle and adds a lot of lead tape (mentioned in the video). She said it sounded and played the same as it always has. You could tell it bothered her in the final match, she didnt play well at all, she was distracted. Personally, tired of the drama, but enjoy the sport.

[@spencerfisher4080]

An 002 shouldn’t have the same effect as one of the newer gen paddles. If anything it would likely play worse

[@Liber8d]

Tyson has too much to lose reputation wise to play those kinds of cheater games.

[@kimleith1378]

Seems using weight would be more of an issue, yet there is no limit on weight that I've heard about being a non-tournament player. Is there a weight limit??

[@wongjefx980]

If these illegal paddles are quieter, make them legal 😂

[@davidgoldstein7149]

No they are actually louder.

[@glenross3093]

What is a de-laminated paddle?

[@patrickderyan7403]

At Red Rock, I saw (from the back view) Irena Terechenko warming up for a match. Then they showed the front view, and I realized it was Tyson...

[@gg80108]

tank top and tatoo look is good is Idaho only.

[@patrickderyan7403]

@@gg80108 Dude! Don't ruin a funny moment with drivel like that... Geezus...

[@mhorsley27]

1. They need to implement field testing for all aspects of paddles. It’s not that hard to do. 2. They need to regulate the modifications being made by players, lead tape specifically as it enhances play so much

[@springfield03sniper]

Or they could just let it go and allow everyone to use it

[@pl1532]

1. Exactly!. All paddles should pass inspection prior to any match. 2. Paddles should have a maximum allowable weight limit, with or without lead tape. If adding lead tape exceeds that limit that paddle is not allowed.

[@aronisink1]

Only 4 solutions in my opinion.. 1 Just consider the delaminaion as the paddle is broken in and legal.. 2 Have a test that you put the paddle on the floor on court , drop a ball on it and if exceeds a certain height its illegal.. 3 Or all paddles have to have a wooden core..

[@pickleballer1729]

I guess I don't know enough about paddle manufacturing and physics. It's hard for me to understand how paddle delamination could affect the paddle's performance in a positive way. Sure, it might make it "hotter" but it HAS to make it more inconsistent in the process, so I don't get how it's a benefit. But clearly, some see it as such, so it needs to be addressed. I think the paddle manufacturers should be urged, at this point, and required, eventually, to design paddles that are quieter as well. Otherwise, we may find ourselves in a situation where thousands of new courts all around the country are suddenly rendered unusable because of noise complaints and local noise restriction codes.

[@virtualbown]

My guess is the delam adds a "trampoline" effect to the paddle. Similar to a golf club driver where the face is too thin.

[@RCodyWanner]

just came back and read every single comment haha -- such a great video and great explanation -- also realizing i think a delam paddle causes much more of an issue in singles than doubles, is that true?

[@theCranesUS]

Delaminated paddles sound more hollow or have a deeper sound?

[@eddiemas6788]

"Why is she so Gooood!"

[@michaellovett8773]

Seems and audio sensor with known strike frequencies would detect a paddle issue live on court. If you can here it with your ears a digital sensor would pick up on this too.

[@brianbanks3044]

keep testers at the courts.....simple solution...it is not rocket science....softball has had them for yrs. you either have a legal bat/paddle or you don't

[@alwaysplaythegame]

The real issue is that MLP/PPA don't want the paddles to be found as illegal (especially the Selkirk). If they are, the entire system is problematic and they really need pre-match testing. If not, the entire system is still problematic, but not to the same extent.

[@carlhillier2301]

Selkirk is starting to control the narrative they sponsor a vast number of pros, as well as pod casts , now tournaments. All this talk about illegal paddles, and yet the hole in the Selkirk paddles are clearly illegal but nothing is done. Can anyone explain that . 😮

[@Mikejo3030]

@@carlhillier2301 What paddle specification does the throat hole break?

[@carlhillier2301]

@@Mikejo3030 2.E.2

[@Mikejo3030]

@@carlhillier2301 the end of that sentence is the reason. "...that allow a player to impart excessive spin on the ball. " You don't hit with the hole. That's the difference. See the Vice Diadem for the difference.

[@carlhillier2301]

@@Mikejo3030 I've seen it happen lots of times and the ball goes everywhere. Selkirk guy are you.

[@asomething1234]

Is there an update to this?

[@Zenon-fg4dw]

Does anyone know what paddle was Salome using? I need to get one of those.

[@veritech1773]

Vatic pro. Great price. Thermoformed single piece with torayt700 and injected foam around the edge ala joolas hyperion

[@Zenon-fg4dw]

@@veritech1773 Thanks! But how come outfits like Pickleball Central or TotalPickleball don’t carry this brand?

[@gg80108]

@@veritech1773 I got one hit the edge ball is still good.

[@RCodyWanner]

fantastic breakdown -- when do we get the results of these tests -- the chain of custody question is an EXTREMELY good one -- the pro should almost have to surrender the paddle as soon as someone challenges them -- and play a different paddle from then on

[@madrum]

They typically have 3 paddles with them, so surrendering one shouldn’t be a problem. They can bring more if they expect some could be suspect.

[@tonloc8]

also the delaminated paddle player sounds like an absolute idiot on the court when she hits the ball. No need for those long drawn out noises.

[@roman2011]

No wonder I keep losing…..btw..I’m a 2.0 player 😢

[@philmoore4764]

What a bad joke!

[@Gary-W]

😂 And Salome's paddle tested LEGAL at the lab.... All the BS and it was legal.. Salome played CP with the same paddle and got destroyed.. So it's obviously not the paddle.. 😊

[@ASouthernBoyCanSurvive]

Lea Jansen is a wack job period end of story

[@ivalani]

This needs to be resolved immediately - without integrity these tournaments will lose credibility. Also, I want to see skill and strategy- I don’t want to watch athletes slamming rockets at each other-this will make it unwatchable for me.

[@AlphaTennisinPittsburgh]

Pickleball is America's fastest-growing sport and we like it #TheKitchen #Pickleball

[@h20bearboy65]

whens the USAPA going to get the balls to call out tyson on his illegal serve?

[@richestmaninbabylon7635]

All thee above, what is taking the USPA, PPA, APP, MLP too damn long to get this resolved. Every paddle that is going to be used on the court should be inspected, tested and certified before each game. If a paddle is switched during the game, it better have been certified prior to the game. Everybody always have a backup paddle. This is Horse$hit, with all the money being thrown around in this sport they cant get this resolved sooner. Bull$hit!!!!

[@Liber8d]

💯%!

[@Stigmaru]

What's as delaminate paddle and why is it illegal? Delamination means the carbon fiber layers is coming apart. Isn't that a bad thing?

[@wesc9100]

Isn't it sad what these paddle companies are charging for paddles that won't even last....? Pretty easy to eliminate any concerns with full onsite testing before every match!

[@testplatform582]

I'm glad I returned to playing tennis after briefly trying pickleball.

[@matthewdrolett8673]

same.

[@robedwards6926]

Is there no cheating in professional tennis?

[@goldenchildtheater]

@@robedwards6926apparently not lol

[@paulmcdevitt2038]

Part of the problem is that the PPA hasn’t created appropriate and pragmatic policies around this issue.

[@sandon212]

Oh well Salome’s paddle is legal …

[@houdini8o8]

easy fix...evolve the sport and allow delaminated paddles...its like tennis sticking to wood racquets

[@brucepinkerton2716]

It’s simple. You set standards for deflection and grit and size. You test prior to start. Place a visible tamper proof sticker on all tested. Play on,! Pickleball will advance. Players will get faster. Purses and tv money will increase,!

[@wallymann]

Unnecessary distraction. Paddles become de-laminated during play. And, although the Paddle can become hot, it can also break down, and play poorly at any given time. Stop complaining and start playing better. Really

[@athletic_club_bilbao7597]

Damn she looked like a fool 🤷🏻 & the apology was insincere

[@frankfurter7260]

A joke of a sport.

[@martinjohnson6510]

Leave it to the PPA. They allow paddle challenge. Of course those knowingly using a delaminated paddle cannot be tested in the field.

[@jusan_tinos]

If delaminated, thermoformed paddles are a problem now, what makes people think 100% foam core paddles will ever be legal in the future?

[@springfield03sniper]

Why can’t they just make them legal? Would make the sport more fun to watch. Everyone wants to see harder hitting and winners.

[@alwaysplaythegame]

I think they should just legalize foam and change the deflection limits.

[@youngsuit]

Well she's right when she said pickleball is a joke

[@45414]

Hire a portable x-ray service to attend each pro event and scan each paddle. We used to have industrial x-rays performed for failure analysis and they were inexpensive to get done. This isn't rocket science.

[@fmortal77771]

Why not have on site testing and contested all paddles rotten into the tournament before tournament play. If it doesn’t pass, it can’t be used.

[@whobru]

find out what paddle the pro uses and they get a new one at the start of each game. They could even modify it with mods that are legal...different tape etc...for the pro

[@krazieecko]

Players that request paddle testing after losing multiple times needs to be punished

[@ELCapiTRAN]

why not just legalize delaminated paddles?

[@jonathanchen1026]

Just make it so everyone can use the same

[@theCranesUS]

The BS line calls the one lady is known for would bother me much more than the paddle.

[@poofykins]

why laminate them in the first place if they say it can delaminate naturally on it's own. that's stupid, you'd have to keep buying and switching paddles. why not just require a standard finish that you can use however long you want.

[@tawmack]

Tyson played Red Rock with the 002-A. Travis doesn't know this?

[@AMurderOfLobs]

He does. He said it.

[@steinanderson]

that's it, time for pickleball to be shut down permanently

[@tonloc8]

pickleball is just a game, not a sport.

[@bousemaster3989]

Anyone can use any kind of paddles. Make that a rule. In Tennis you can use any racquet any makers make and any string. Non-thing is off limits

[@reflux043]

A real pro pickleball player should be able to play with any professional paddle, and switch it at any time in the game, if someone calls it out as delaminated.

[@syedfawaz8090]

As much as Salome is notorious for her bad calls. She will beat Allyce 10/10 times. Why is Allyce pretending that she even has a chance against a singles specialist? Her asking for the paddle to be checked after losing badly was a such a sour loser move. Tbh, Her over the top annoying yelling/screaming after every point is worse than any illegal paddle 😂

[@joewilliekingdom]

her last three matches have been pretty clean w overrules going her way but had a rough start . wonder how the paddle check is going?

[@leelabiblia6529]

I'll chose ping pong paddles

[@gg80108]

All of this excitement about pickleball expanding and popular seemed good till it cut into your pocketbook. Careful what you wish for.

[@dcirulli15]

My crbn 2x is slightly starting to delaminate in the middle of paddle. Can barely hear the crunching but it makes a thud when i hit the ball in that spot. Its definitely not a positive thing its made my paddle harder to play with to the point that im picking up a different paddle at fromuth tonight. Waiting to hear back from Crbn on my warranty claim

[@Anitajohnson69]

CRBN basically told me to kick rocks when I asked about their warranty. Probably won't be buying again. Six months isn't long enough, in my opinion.

[@veritech1773]

I recently played against a 2x that sounded like a shotgun. Hollow sound and if pushed with thumb in middle it squeaked. The sound rang a bell cause I have a newer 2x and another player had a new 2x .. definitely a different sound..

[@wallymann]

Exactly. De-lamination is a breakdown of the Paddle.

[@mariar4624]

Cry baby pros. Devize is a better singles player than Jones. Shameful. Every single paddle can delaminate.

[@michaellovett8773]

There hasn’t been a single top Pro in any sport who has not turned to cheating. Strong possibility here. Seems easy to get away with the rule she can continue to play without losing custody. Rule needs to mark paddle in question to prevent switch paddle trick.

[@svenm4181]

Telling you now, nothing will come from the “inspections” by the PPA. Especially with Tyson’s paddle with Selkirk being a sponsor for one of their tournaments. The things that PPA is willing to do for sponsorship money is pretty much anything. They have made teams in amateur level replay matches, rescind a ref called forfeit all because the team was sponsored by one of their largest sponsors this year. It’ll just be a cover up at the end of the day even if the paddles were delaminated.

[@DeesBees85]

This is a silly conspiracy theory.

[@Liber8d]

I don’t know about all that, but it sure does sound like PPA can’t get out of there on the way with some of the calls and decisions they make.

[@MrCalebHoward]

People taking pickle ball this seriously is just pure comedy

[@rodrod959]

“Fasting growing sPoRt…”

[@jonathanhearn1910]

The idea that the state of the equipment changes to confer an unfair advantage through normal play seems really problematic for the game..

[@jjjason36]

He should more worried about Tyson’s serve, so illegal

[@stevenzetterquist7015]

This is a PPA problem not the players.

[@buxxley1274]

I think equipment at the pro level is the least of the sport's problems...when major prize events are still being officiated BY...THE...PLAYERS...IN...THE...EVENT!!!! Mayweather doesn't score his own fights. Tom Brady doesn't get to measure the chain himself and decide if he got a first down. Devidze and Jansen shouldn't have an opportunity to even develop reputations as bad line callers in the first place...because they shouldn't be calling the lines. Equipment aside, a good portion of the instances of Jansen complaining about "the paddle" were on points where she very easily got to a ball and just flubbed a passing shot into the net. Your opponent would have to have one heck of a delaminated paddle for it to start causing you to hit your own shots poorly.

[@Liber8d]

it’s totally asinine for players to be calling in and out balls, especially at that speed, and depending where balls land, they can be difficult to see at times. The technology is got to be there, no?

[@jars7509]

Simple fix switch to rubber like tt

[@Liber8d]

It would be quieter, and you could still shape the ball

[@surf101-]

T-Corn Rickenbacher!! Yeah, buddy!! Can't believe you're on here.

[@richardcrawford6287]

I realize these guys are pros but if the paddle is suddenly getting "hotter" then they should be hitting the ball long and having control issues. This did not seem to be the case. Now if they have been playing with a delaminated paddle for some time I could see how this would be an issue. "I'm getting my butt kicked, your paddle sounds weird. You must be knowingly cheating." Whatever!!

[@1rk234]

The physics would suggest that a paddle becomes softer when it delaminates. This would lead to less power but more control as the paddle conforms to ball surface better. These pros are great pickle ball players but are out to lunch on the physics.

[@dbeaton1111]

So? Just get each paddle brand approved and then be done with it.

[@TheBiKeLoK]

How do you justify saying the paddles sounded different with your example? Your microphone on the camera picked up the acoustics from his hit on this side of the court with the proposed delaminated paddle, yet the other image with the "different" sound he was on the opposite side. Acoustic changes are going to happen based on where the sound originates, so this isn't a "comparison" i would trust. Unless i missed something :)

[@ScottLive1]

Maybe Selkirk is the cheater here

[@kento1957]

So sick of the paddle drama. This is an unfixable problem. Get rid of all paddle requirements except size maybe.

[@mikelob6707]

Exactly OR equally as effective but not as feasible is make them ALL use 1 specific paddle

[@andrewlovell8243]

Every sport has equipment rules down to the air pressure in a football. If you think it doesn’t make a difference in the way people prepare, train, and make adjustments to their style, that’s simply just wrong. I agree that the paddle drama is out of control but this is on PPA and MLP for not having the procedures and equipment in place (like at the events) to fix it. If it wasn’t easy to cheat, people wouldn’t but when you make it so easy to , people take advantage of it

[@mistymountains9968]

​@@mikelob6707This seems like the easiest fix - to make them all use the same paddle. But then, what lucky company gets the contract?

[@Liber8d]

@@mistymountains9968No sport does that

[@mitchcunningham8520]

Lea Jansen’s behavior is unacceptable. There’s a process to make a complaint then use it and spare from your Karen behavior.

[@unclippable]

out of all sports, pickleball paddles. lmaooo

[@GenX1964]

No grunting

[@OrganicHealer]

Tyson uses an 002 painted to look like a power air. It's possible he uses a hybrid custom mix paddle just for him.

[@MostLikedComment123]

biggest skill issue my gosh

[@thomasrutledge587]

Of all the pros Jansen complains the most. To me she acts pretty immature on the court.

[@joewilliekingdom]

and her clothes dont fit either

[@jaystir]

This is going to destroy Pickleball eventually. You need consistancy and a way to have confidence in your paddle. I "lead" my paddle up to 9 oz and spin so much that players can't believe it. I have been accuesed of using an illegal amounts of lead. Their is no illegal amount of lead. It makes it harder to swing faster but helps with spin. I lose the really fast battles at the net. But that never happens too often because my shots have so much power that most players let them go just to see them dip just before the line. In Table Tennis my Table Tennis rubber top sheet would bubble. That means that the top sheet would separate from the sponge. My racket didn't become illegal if it started to separate during a match. I've never been called on this in all the Table Tennis U.S Opens I've competed in. This is a problem with half the Pickleball players hating those players that spin the ball at a higher level and the other half that want to hit/drive the ball and play with more finesse. Go watch some 1920's Table Tennis and your will see people "Pushing the ball" back and forth and then compare that to the "Dink". Pickleball is changing. It will continue to change. There is no going back. They actually made a "Hardbat" event in the U.S. Open in Table Tennis for people that want to play that old style. Maybe do the same in Pickleball. Running around accusing everyone of cheating or their saying their paddles are illegal is getting old and causing more problems for this sport.

[@mattmuoio4936]

people taking this activity overly seriously is too funny.

[@michaelbrohl1625]

Well, seeing as there is tens of thousands of dollars at stake, don't you think you would take it seriously too?

[@colintaylor4515]

We should just all delaminate our paddles i guess lol

[@ModestMa0ist]

tyson whats a "hince"? all the proof you need

[@ImportantComment]

Rettenmaier is clearly just looking for attention or he would have put a shirt on. What a baby.