Reader: 2020 Toyota Tundra Transmission Frying, Toyota Responds

[@curtis1951]

If Toyota says it doesn't need it then whatever but if the window sticker says the truck has one then it should have it. It's included in the price. I'd make Toyota install one.

[@martinbsmith3]

Yep, you know they didn't drop the price when they removed it.

[@matthewgaines10]

The owner needs to contact Toyota and inform them that the sticker states it has a transmission cooler and they better put one in. They can correct the issue for me now or deal with my attorney and the FTC. There are problems when the vehicle doesn't match the sticker. Government problems.

[@mikeb6386]

The cooler a transmission runs the longer it last. That's a fact. If Toyota says u have a transmission cooler and u buy the truck and don't have it the attorneys will have a payday on a class action.

[@kolesplace]

Yep those sorry attorneys will get big paychecks and you will get a cooler, 😂😂

[@highpro1394]

Hey Tim. I bought a 2020 tundra platinum and saw the cooler indicated on the sales sticker. Sounds like Toyota needs to recall all the 2019 and 2020 tundras and get the cooler installed. If the temps are better with the cooler then why not have it. Its added protection for the transmission. I think all of us need to call our state AG or the U.S. AG and have them investigate this under consumer protection. Toyota falsely advertised for something the truck didnt have and the dealers didnt even know. Smells like a class action lawsuit to me and I am on board!!!

[@alienation-k1x]

Exactly right. The Monroney sticker from a 2018 Tundra with towing package is exactly the same as a 2019 and 2020 with the same package, except there is NO transmission cooler.

[@seabass22]

I agree. I bought a 2020 because it said it had tow package and external cooler. Maybe I need to contact a lawyer and file a lawsuit.

[@highpro1394]

I follow classaction.org I will reach out to them to see if this is on their radar.

[@Antares_451]

Well, I have a 2019 1794 4x4 and I now very concerned about my purchase and if I'll have issues with my transmission failing.... Grrrr

[@highpro1394]

My recommendation everyone is to have your transmission fluid change if you are currently towing or think you will be towing. Amsoil makes some of the best transmission fluid as well as oil for our tundra. The ATF fluid is designed for high temps and severe use which will combat the fluid breakdown. Also i am looking into aftermarket transmission coolers for the tundra if toyota doesnt remedy this issue.

[@AmericanHandgunner44]

They are just calling it normal temperature while like all car manufacturers just hoping the transmission lasts out of warranty and then they will be happy to sell you another.

[@Brandon-yp2wy]

Just throwing this out there but even the ancient Nissan Frontier has an external transmission cooler. Come on Toyota!

[@KevinHuff23]

The Temps he posted are WITHOUT towing a trailer, how can you or Toyota say they are within spec if he NEVER even gave his temps WHILE HE WAS ACTUALLY TOWING?

[@tolpacourt]

Towing how much weight over what kind of terrain at what altitude?

[@Blanddog]

@Kevin Huff I think he needs to remake this video...

[@seanvandergriff7161]

I sat there wondering the same thing. Yes, those temps are within specs.....but he isn't towing. If the guy would show the temps WHILE towing and getting the error message, it would make a big difference and the Toyota engineers would have the truly needed information to properly respond to this issue. As an owner of a 2019 model myself, I find this very frustrating.

[@freshjamproductions9336]

That error message comes on at 302 degrees

[@seanvandergriff7161]

@@freshjamproductions9336 thank you for the information!

[@gildeleon4159]

How can they say that the temps are “within range” if the high temp warning is going off? On a brand new truck? That was a mistake by Toyota, removing the cooler on that ancient powertrain.

[@hochhaul]

Toyota seems to be cutting costs at the expense of long term reliability. This kind of move is totally unacceptable.

[@MrAbword]

You nailed it on ancient power train

[@andrewbeck844]

If you listened, Toyota said the temp is normal and the warning sensor is bad because it shouldn’t be triggered by those temps.. Replace the warning sensor. What’s so hard to understand?

[@hochhaul]

@@andrewbeck844 The same Toyota that told us they fixed the frame rust rot year after year for two plus decades and took years and multiple TSB's to address the drivability issues of the 3rd gen Tacoma 3.5 V6+automatic combo. I would want a second opinion on the accuracy of the temperature sensor and trans fluid temps.

[@andrewbeck844]

hochhaul Which will be determined by replacing the sensor. If it still overheats than you can blame the transmission. That “ancient powertrain” sure holds up better than our fleet of Rams. EVERY one of the transmissions has been in for repair or replacement with less than 70k miles. No towing or hauling anything heavy. I’ll take my trouble free, “ancient” Tundra over my work Ram everyday.

[@delbertlayman3693]

Heat in trans is never good. May b within range but how bout longevity? Toyota may be saving money by removing trans cooler reliability is why toyota has the reputation they have. I think this is huge mistake on toyotas part.

[@alienation-k1x]

It's my understanding that as of March 2020, they also removed the transmission cooler from Tacoma. I've been saying it for a hot minute, the current staff of bean counters in Toyota management will drive their quality into the ground.

[@mikeb6386]

Bean counters will ruin Toyota just like GM .

[@davidcox2197]

@@alienation-k1x They are hard at it.

[@davidcox2197]

@@alienation-k1x Toyuota is doing a great job of removing reliability from the Tundra and Tacoma.

[@jperello001]

I just installed one myself. My temps without the cooler where around 225-250. Now it stays around 195. I want my transmission as cool as possible to help the oil last longer and reduce wear on transmission

[@davecavalcanto8552]

Was it a Toyota OEM kit or aftermarket kit? If OEM, do you have part number(s)?

[@Brandon-yp2wy]

Toyota should recall all 2019-2020 Tundras. The trucks were clearly not built to the standards played out by their own window sticker. Toyotas answer on that is not acceptable. Yes the 227 is within the acceptable range but that is already warm so when you add a trailer of course it will overheat.

[@alienation-k1x]

No, there needs to be a class action lawsuit. The Monroney sticker from 2018 and 2020 is the exact same for a Tundra 5.7L with towing package. They are deceiving customers!

[@Brandon-yp2wy]

@@alienation-k1x I agree. Realistically even if Toyota added a transmission cooler as a recall, what kind of damage has already been done to the transmission running at such a high temperature?

[@beast4x4trd12]

Ok as a Tundra owner with an old 2008 TRD Supercharger (and other performance upgrades, crank/flywheel horsepower around 650bhp and 700lb ft torque, also is 4x4 Crewmax SR5 w/towing package AND external transmission cooler, I've burnt two transmissions mainly from just having too much horsepower to not hurt the unmodified transmission but when I've had issues the cooler lines had trash, debris blocking or obstructing flow to the cooler (located very front of condenser/radiator/Supercharger intercooler/and approximately 8"x14" offset to my passenger side) since having my problems I've researched and have had several guys say they've even added ANOTHER external cooler either piggybacking the factory installed unit or remove the OEM cooler for a larger cooler. Most has both still as I do IN ADDITION to having "pinned the transmission thermostat in the open position." The info to do this can easily be found on the internet. These transmissions are VERY sensitive to high temps and the temps shown here on an unloaded truck while driving normally at highway speeds is WAYYY higher than should be. My truck wouldn't see 190 to 200°F while pulling 6k pounds! Why did Toyota stop including this inexpensive but important component, this cooler only runs $125-200 for an aftermarket cooler that's much larger than the factory cooler. The cooler is the life blood of your expensive 6-speed auto and with a brand new truck I do not recommend adding a cooler but MAKE TOYOTA replace as many as possible until they recall the trucks and add coolers! One can't just add a cooler without the sending line and routed through radiator, return line back to the transmission (without an external cooler there's no "lines" to connect it to! Toyota must run those lines and honor the warranty. *I would recommend "pinning" your thermostat but remember to take 2 minutes to pull the pin before going in for service while under warranty! My 12 year old truck can tow a lot, as long as it's not overheating it'll last, I live in south Louisiana and it's brutally hot right now. I have also upgraded my radiator to an all aluminum radiator because another cheap but critical component that will start leaking at the plastic after 5 or so years. I'd save my breath with the Stealerships and get extended warranty and save the paperwork and document everything, the thing that will ultimately need to be decided is to either keep replacing a transmission or simply add a cooler and the lines to send/return fluid. I'm pretty surprised this happened, it's not a secret these transmissions have shown to be highly sensitive to overheating or heat in general. Hopefully if you've read all of this and have any questions or want further elaboration email me [e-mail] and I'll gladly show you what my cooling system looks like, how to pin the thermostat in 5 minutes for $0.25 or I can send you to the sites and groups who know more about this than myself. This is a headscratcher bigtime.

[@michaelbernabeo8437]

I have an old trans fluid temperature chart from an old mechanics book. The chart states acceptable operating temps are under 190 for unloaded driving. Towing range is no higher than 240. These temperatures are too high.

[@dalephillips8250]

Is it a chart specifically for Toyota/Aisin or is it general?

[@michaelbernabeo8437]

@@dalephillips8250 from my line of business heat is the main killer for any lubricated oil. Temperature above 200 degrees Fahrenheit are considered high/loaded temperatures and oil should be replaced every 20k if continuous. Every 20 degrees over 200 doubles the failure rate. I don't care fluid type because I'll see your transmission in my shop with temperatures like those.

[@dalephillips8250]

@@michaelbernabeo8437 thanks Mike. This concerns me as I have a 2020 TRD PRO

[@michaelbernabeo8437]

@@dalephillips8250 anytime, I hate to see people get screwed over by manufacturers. Especially ones that know it will break or cause damage.

[@dalephillips8250]

@@michaelbernabeo8437 I have my 5000 mile service coming up and i'm going to question them about this because my sticker states I have a transmission engine cooler.

[@natel7734]

I bought my 2019 specifically to tow a camper. I had no idea at the time. I assumed it was the same tried and true design. Why remove it after all those years?

[@DH-mf2lv]

My

[@DH-mf2lv]

My 2019 Tundra window sticker says it has a transmission cooler? Should I approach my sales person about it?

[@natel7734]

Mine says the same thing. I am thinking of adding one myself as long as it doesn’t affect the warranty.

[@rjejames28]

💰

[@thedetective8150]

It appears to be a Monroney sticker violation. Consult an attorney that handles those types of cases.

[@mek8593]

I experienced the same issue Received this warning light HIGH TRANSMISSION TEMP FLUID after 3 hrs on the road with no load ( just me and my wife). I made complain to Toyota USA and got case number. have my vehicle checked by local dealer. Mechanic drove the vehicle for 30 mins - tested - no issue found. Keep In mind I told them the warning light illuminated after 3 hrs. What we need to do is call Toyota USA let them know you’re experienced with high temp to the transmission once they received enough complaints from consumers then hope they will look at this issue and come out with Service bulletin. Having boiling hot oil 250 - 280 degrees feeding the components without cooling system that’s just bad engineering in my book.

[@smrtguy77777]

It takes over 500degrees F for Transmission fluid to boil..

[@highpro1394]

Class action lawsuit against toyota anyone????

[@alienation-k1x]

Needs to happen as it's still listed on the Monroney sticker the same as it was pre 2019. They are deceiving customers.

[@highpro1394]

My state attorney general will go after them.

[@kevinsteele8447]

I sued them scumbags for selling me a lemon

[@kevinsteele8447]

@Jason Creech please LET ME KNOW WHERE! IM HAVING ENGINE KNOCKING. 2019. TELLLL MEEEW3.

[@darioduran9855]

I just bought my 2020 limited tundra 4x4 and I was towing 7,000 pounds and the same warning light came on I guess am stuck with it till they get something fix

[@DirtE30]

Simple to add one, couple hundred bucks. Save you THOUSANDS!

[@billbeck4661]

You should look at your window sticker and see if list a trans cooler with the towing package, If it does Toyota owes you a trans cooler or its false advertising.

[@OdysseyOffroad]

@@billbeck4661 they dont, toyota states the warmer acts as the cooler when trans temps are higher then engine temps. no were in the window sticker does it say "external" trans cooler. is it bullshit yes, but thats there stance.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees.

[@DirtE30]

Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk the fluid isn’t the only issue... clutch material isn’t. Seals aren’t. Hence why it was designed with a cooler before hand and why everyone else runs one and keeps the damn temps below 230!

[@mildaudiophile3879]

Why would they remove the cooler but not lower the price of the trucks? Toyota has shit the bed once again.

[@DirtE30]

John Martin because you keep NHTSA safety ratings up to par with other MFG’s, they had to add a bunch of pricey gizmo’s like radar cruise, pre collision, lane departure, auto braking, cross traffic alert, LED headlights, etc... profit margins were down, they were looking to trim the fat for 2020 because now they’re also adding keyless ignition, and Apple/Android functionality to the head unit as well as the satellite connectivity system which all cost licensing moneys.

[@mildaudiophile3879]

DirtE30 what’s the point of buying a truck to tow with no tranny cooler?

[@DirtE30]

John Martin agreed

[@EverydayJ1786]

Great video Tim .. again that answer from Toyota is b.s .. they try and blame the warning light on a faulty sensor ... Come on .. really !? Plus the Toyota fluid is a semi synthetic . Which will degrade even quicker with high heat like this .. so long story short . Yes nothing bad will happen right now at such a low mileage ... But these increased trans temps will definitely shorten the life span of the fluid and if fluid changes are not done more frequently it will overall shorten the life of the transmission . With my 2019 I have been proactive and retrofitted my truck with a external trans cooler . Now my trans temps hold steady around 200 degrees while towing my 7000lb travel trailer . Tundra owners need to know that there is a solution to this problem . You can easily install Toyota parts to have a real trans cooler again .

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Thanks Jordon. Good to hear about that easy fix. I'll make sure I let people know.

[@PeterBranco]

Yes I agree with you Jordon, that is the right thing to do, sad to see they are cheaping out on their quality, like the Taco HVAC blower fan now made in China instead of the OEM Denso. Really sad to see.

[@billbeck4661]

I feel that Toyota should install one free, since it is listed on the window sticker.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees. Also, owner says he’s been to dealer. No issues with truck from dealer.

[@EverydayJ1786]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Tim, with that new information .. we need to know exactly the temp needs to be to set the warning light . I've heard that it is 300 degrees .. but would like that confirmed

[@rrtownsend6432]

I think that if the engineers at Toyota have designed a transmission to take those kind of temps, then go with it. Just because the Big 3 burns out transmissions at those temps shouldn't be a concern for Tundra owners... Toyota had REAL engineers and not just wannabees....

[@AggiePhil]

He clearly said in the email that the OBD2 numbers were WITHOUT a trailer. The warning light was coming on WITH a trailer. So the Toyota guy saying “those numbers are within range...” no crap, those weren’t the numbers under load.

[@brlowe1]

My 2020 only has 2300 miles on it and I can hit 235+ without pulling a trailer and only 2 people in it with some light camping gear. Once I hook a travel trailer up to it my temps are going to climb way up. The tow package should have the cooler.

[@chasefeller1279]

Yea i feel like the toyota engineer completely disregarded the issue and didn’t address it at all. The light isn’t coming on at those temps. The guy who took pics should hook his trailer up and then take pics of the trans temp while towing. They cant refute that

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees. Also, owner says he’s been to dealer. No issues with truck.

[@AggiePhil]

Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk sounds like the best solution is for the owner to add a trans cooler. IIRC, it’s an easy job.

[@KevinHuff23]

@@Pickuptrucktalk That is complete and utter NONSENSE, anything above 250 degrees has been proven to degrade ATF fluid, and fast! This is complete BS from Toyota!

[@zackphelps1128]

The window sticker for my 2018 has the same exact description of the tow package

[@tomkohman4620]

Heck yes I would be concerned. First off, your contact at Toyota is pretending that the temp reading were taken while towing and the truck owner said it was taken while unloaded. If it's approaching 250 in town it certainly would be over 280 while pulling 9000 lbs up a grade. Second, full life of transmission is available when operated under 200 degrees. At 220 degrees life is cut in half. Maybe new synthetic transmission fluid will not break down until 280, but what about everything else in there? In any case, I would spend the $ to get an aftermarket transmission cooler added. I like to keep my vehicles past 150k and transmission replacement is so darn expensive.

[@azphilip1960]

2020 tundra owner here and I'm very concerned because with the trans. cooler it still will be cooler and it would be even better... and it's on the sticker and charged and paid for!!! They should recall all trucks and add it on!!! I would be much happier and I'm sure all owners who bought these two Year Tundras would agree!!! Come on Toyota you never let us down before and I'm sure your not going to let us down now!!!

[@paraTRUEper]

I'm sure that when Toyota examined the million mile trucks, they realized they needed them to break down sooner in order to make more money in the parts and service department. In the short-term, lack of a cooler is no problem, but in the long run we'll see.

[@Pantelifts10]

Yup exactly. Can't have that much reliability..but they want to charge more on current models due to past reliability histoy lmao

[@mikegardiner5225]

Toyota dropped over 30 things from my 2007 and 2012 tundra sr5s compared to the 2017 sr5 I currently own. I am looking elsewhere for my next truck, I only hope the next one can match the only reason I have been sticking with Toyota, the unquestioned reliability. Toyota is ruining this vehicle.

[@italRotty]

please list out all the changes you know of if you would ?

[@ncurc9766]

Toyota has a team that will delete small features every year in order to save money/ cut cost, in other words, its called toyota tax

[@rottvang]

Toyota is looking at these people profiting on transmission cooler kits. That might make them rethink and start installing themselves these missing parts.

[@henryford2736]

I will give you "Toyota safety sense" cruise but will take away your transmission cooler to keep things equal.......Toyota CEO

[@mikefoehr235]

I just got my 20 Tundra week ago...I turned all those irritating nannies off. I do want a tranny cooler tho. I am Canadian and my dealer told me ALL.CANADIAN Tundras have a tranny cooler AND warmer...now i have to see if they lied to me.

[@goingindieEN]

@@mikefoehr235 So did you check?

[@mikefoehr235]

@@goingindieEN They lied. TFL Truck tested a Tundra without a tranny cooler and it seemed to work OK. I am on the fence tho.

[@daniels2761]

@@mikefoehr235 they do have a warmer, however that warmer is not efficient for cooling, because it can't cool the trans any cooler than engine coolant temp. Given how close the temps would be, the warmer can't efficiently cool the transmission (not much delta t)

[@daniels2761]

@@mikefoehr235 it got hotter pulling a grade a few miles long on a cool day than the trans in my old pickup EVER did. A long pull on a 100+ degree day would probably toast the trans. I'm installing the cooler on my 2020.

[@dougkreutzer8440]

I was disappointed to find out in my 2019 after the fact of buying it, that it didn’t have the transmission cooler when it said it did on the sticker. Not much to do now but drive it. Great video Tim. Thanks

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

See the comment from Jordon on this video. Seems like an easy fix to add a transmission oil cooler.

[@Brandon-yp2wy]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Tim don't you think Toyota should be responsible for the cost of adding a transmission cooler. I mean they sold customer trucks claiming they had a part that was in fact not there. Seems like a lawsuit waiting to happen

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Brandon so, naturally, I’m getting more details after the video. Toyota says they have a heat/cooler on the trans body just not a “multi-cooler” anymore. Honestly, this is out of my wheelhouse on those differences.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Brandon with that said, they could likely defend their sticker as saying it applied to that and not the oil cooler. However, I’m hearing marketing will get involved and might make a change based on these videos.

[@Brandon-yp2wy]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Interesting terminology they are using. I think anyone who's not a toyota engineer could easily be mislead by that sticker lol

[@hellkitty1014]

Lies...ALL of the Toyota guys tell us Big 3 guys that the Tundra can run dry on oil for a month and still drive like new!🤔🤣🤣. Seriously though, trans temps running higher than the engine coolant temp is never ever good. Even if Toyota says it is within "normal range", that does not bode well for longevity at all for the internals of the transmission.

[@balkee42]

So if tundra shopping look for an 18 ?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

If you want a transmission oil cooler, then yes.

[@moedalgarny]

@@Pickuptrucktalk or get a new one and install an after market transmission cooler? 🤔 but damn toyota need to put one in them trucks..

[@jfox71]

Dang right that is too hot.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees. Also, owner says he’s been to dealer. No issues with truck.

[@alienation-k1x]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Fluid may be, but seals, and clutch material absolutely not.

[@jfox71]

@@Pickuptrucktalk still too hot. When I am pulling a trailer I don't see temps as high as when he is unladen.

[@DirtE30]

Obviously the temps were higher when he was towing... I can attest to the fact that it will be well into the 250 range or above and stay there towing something that big... That being said, a 29’ 9k lb trailer is WAY too much trailer for this truck, period! Toyota has YET to tell us what their “acceptable range” is, and the fact that they set out to delete something that can do NOTHING BUT HELP LONGEVITY speaks for itself! Also, EVERY other half ton with a tow pack has one! Lol. C’mon Toyota, you’re hurting your reputation with one of the most loyal consumer bases in the world!

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Update: Toyota says their ATF fluid is good to 280 degrees.

[@DRobertsonKenora]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Yes but the owner's concern was the warning on the dash comes on. That warning appears when transmission temperature is above 302F. The excuses given was that there must be a sensor problem. Easy to diag, test the pan temp with a IR temp gun. The reason for the removal of the transmission cooler was because of a design change. In 2019 Toyota started using R1234YF for freon instead on R134A. Because the new feon is not as efficient in cooling the condenser on the 2019-20 Tundra had to be increased in size. The 2018 Tundra has the transmission cooler integrated into the condenser but they couldn't do this with the new feon because it's not as efficient and the AC would not cool effectively. Cheapest solution after some testing was just not run a cooler and have the "warmer/cooler" heat exchanger do the job of cooling the transmission. Full disclosure, I'm a Toyota technician.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

David Robertson followed up the owner and he’s had the check tested at dealer. No issues.

[@DRobertsonKenora]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Then we have a design problem.

[@JAMESWUERTELE]

I just bought a 2020 4 Runner last weekend, it still has R134A, my 2019 Tacoma has the new 1234yf. The condenser is massive on the Tacoma. The Tacoma has auto climate control, it runs recirc 85 percent of the time unless the humidity gets high outside. Live in CO.

[@ericksancho]

No transmission cooler? WTF!!!

[@stevematti6548]

Toyota corporate should listen 👂 to u and us . Good luck 🍀

[@dougsmith7195]

My 2019 Tundra 4.6L DOES NOT MEET SAE J2807 STANDARDS towing my 3000 lbs trailer.

[@georgemattews4644]

Aisin makes extremely reliable transmissions, their engineers designed it to be used with a external cooler. Mike Sweers had no business removing it. He is jeopardizing Toyota's QRD reputation built by engineers like Yuichiro Obu and Chikuo Kubota. He is just a lousy Detroit engineer that came from Chrysler and Oldsmovile. The only reason to do this was to cheap out Toyota owners at the expense of QRD

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Here is the video interview we did with Toyota's chief engineer Mike Sweers about the transmission oil cooler issue and other top questions from this channel: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hIbbd6uDlqeEedk

[@DirtE30]

Pickup Truck Plus SUV Talk Tim, send me your email. I have some pics/vids of my ‘19’s fluid after 40k Miles with no cooler...

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

DirtE30 sure: [e-mail]. Btw, Toyota now tells me their fluid is good to 280 degrees. Also, owner went to dealer and they say no issues. Something amiss.

[@highpro1394]

I bet toyota is waiting for the lawsuits to happen and then comes a recall

[@joshe2178]

@@Pickuptrucktalk will you be doing another video covering what new information Toyota has told you ?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Josh E possibly. I’m trying to figure out all the details. This is the third video I’ve done on this and this one is on 🔥.

[@redfalcon4469]

Those are not normal, I have LC200 and it has a huge cooler and my readings are around 140F to 180F !!

[@eugenegress5896]

I am suckened, grieved to the core , over this totally redesigned Tundra. Toyota is a Stellar company, now with a Terrible stain on its reputation. They had 13 years to reverse Engineer Fords F150, Ram, ect. It was over Hyped, and they screwed this Up Totally. Squeeking consols, wind noise, doors needing to be adjusted, Transmission hunting , deciding which gears. They should have perfected a higher speed Tough Transmission, improved the 5.7 motor, and lightened truck weight via, aluminum doors, tailgate, hood. I have a Tacoma, Tundra was my next Truck.. Toyota you Destroyed my Trust and Confidence, SHAME ON YOU ENGINEERS!!!!

[@davidm.8309]

Just trust Toyota ;) It only took them 3 years to figure out they pinned the turn signal bulbs incorrectly. I'm sure that REMOVING the cooling system from the transmission and trying to use the EXISTING warmer as a heat exchanger had all of our best interests at heart, they just forgot to update the window sticker (and left it in the towing section of the window sticker when we weren't getting a cooling upgrade over the base models), and forgot to lower the prices too. Seriously, they need to do another recall and put an actual cooling system back on the truck (at a minimum on the ones with towing packages). People should feel ripped off by Toyota on this one, so much for looking out for the customer. Toyota's core values state "We are a company driven by imagination, experimentation, humility, respect and innovation. And we believe it is people, our people, who will go the extra mile to deliver to our customers all that Toyota promises to be, today and into the future. It's about integrity." So how about you do the right thing and fix this mess!!!!

[@scottymoondogjakubin4766]

Funny how Toyotas excuse as always - when you get as big as gm you are going to have these problems !

[@andrewbeck844]

You realize Toyota is bigger than GM don’t you? They are the #1 auto manufacturer in the world.

[@oldcroneysgarage9739]

@@andrewbeck844 I thought ford was?

[@mannypee205]

You realise , GM is only big in America right? Toyota cars and trucks are selling all over the world compared to gm. They don't like GM product in Asian and European countries

[@mustie1]

ive had 2 toyota trans failures, both caused by the rad rupturing internal causing milk shake in trans and cooling, if they can get rid of the external lines and still cool l say all the better,

[@Agent.K.]

But no one mentions that! Everyone is quick to point to that issue in the frontier/Xterra/pathfinder, even though Nissan fixed it in 2010+ models.

[@daniels2761]

The cooler that was removed is ATF only. It wouldn't cause your milkshake issue, only an ATF leak. The trucks still have the coolant to ATF warmer, which can fail and cause the milkshake issue you had.

[@flight2k5]

😂🤣 no you haven’t

[@kolesplace]

Here is my thought. I have a 2021 Tundra and I'm about to start pulling a 32' RV. Not often but a pull is a pull. This week I've ordered all of the items to install a transmission cooler to be safe. However, the thermostat on the new part (after the pin is pulled) is rated at 250 degrees (I'm told). So if the thermostat doesn't open until 250 degree then what is the use of the transmission cooler if it will hardly ever open up to cool? In my case I'm pulling the max combined at nearly 16k lbs between the truck weight and the rv weight. I'm sure my transmission is going to get pretty darn hot and need that cooler. If I wasn't pulling this big rv then well I probably just ordered a fancy part that would likely stay closed most of the time. I've also been told to not pull the thermostat pin and let the fluid flow all the time. Being in South Texas that is probably what I'm going to do unless someone give me good logical reason to use the 250 degree thermostat.

[@dougsmith7195]

I have a 2019 Tundra 4.6L, my trailer is half the rated 6500lbs capacity. I monitor the temps with a ScanGauge2 and thought it also ran really hot. I’ll probably end up with the new Ford Diesel F150.

[@DRobertsonKenora]

Your 4.6l does not have a tow package so no cooler. Add a cooler and you will be fine.

[@dougsmith7195]

David Robertson As the truck was delivered, it was rated to tow 6500 lbs. Toyota used the SAE J2807 standards to establish the capacity, but it runs hotter than I think is acceptable. I’m waiting for the 2022 Tundra V6 Twin Turbo before I take any long trips with the camper.

[@jasonlord1879]

I have a 2019 Tundra Platinum and pull a 25’ Airstream. Was recently in hilly Chattanooga and had the Trans Fluid high temp caution message pop up. It was a quick message and then gone, twice. My concern is why have a warning if it’s not a concern?

[@jrahme]

Where you towing on D ?

[@garrettglauser8824]

If you’re towing 9k pounds, you never should have bought a Tundra. Should have bought an F-250

[@nkoeppen]

He said that wasn’t pulling the trailer for those temps...he needs to let us know what it comes up to when the light kicks on.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Oh I’m sure he will. There’s an update video on this channel. 304 degrees seems to trip the warning.

[@Attila-LV]

I've been a fan of Toyota's for decades. I've owned three Camry's and currently own 2008 Lexus is350 and a 2018 Tundra Limited TRD Pro 4x4. Big mistake getting rid of the Transmission Cooler on the New Tundra's.

[@topnotchcontent]

If it has a line that runs to and from the radiator, that's the "transmission cooler" unit in conjunction with the motor.

[@tommysizemore7711]

They can't just delete that wording . If it was sold with that on the sticker they will have to install them on the truck . Your sticker is on a trd pro he has a sr5 big option difference. How bout a sticker from a sr5?

[@richcreager7877]

I have a 2021 Tundra Nightshade and pull my ASV RT 40 track loader with no issues

[@andyd5492]

Woo Hoo 2019 and 2020 Tundra owners with tow package are going to get trans oil coolers. Sticker also indicates an engine oil cooler. Do they actually have one of those? F-150 has a dedicated trans temp gauge and you can also display in the center screen between the tach and speedometer.

[@luismedina5581]

Yup

[@luismedina5581]

I just tried my f 150 2018 for 2020 tundra I'm feel bad

[@satzawesome]

Just lost my transmission on my 2008 at 155k. It was serviced at 120k as recommended by toyota. I do pull a 7k trailer and ran bigger off road tires on 2 inch lift. I need to get this odb2 app.. i was thinking of getting a new one but now just going to drive this after rebuilt.

[@mustangpilot6786]

Well on the bright side, at least you didn't get a 2020 Dodge Ram. Lol

[@WQQKIE]

Holy cow, that’s a drastic change in temperature. The hottest I’ve ran my transmission on my 2015 in the hot Texas summer is 212 degrees, that is after running a tune that increases your RPM to 6000, I was racing it that time. Normal temperature is anywhere between 190-200

[@michaelcruz7423]

Thanks for the high reading clarification on the 2019/20 Tundras.. Keep up the ongoing analysis work.

[@inthewoods5640]

I have a 2016 tundra with a tow package! I put a pin in the trans valve to keep the cooler open all the time It runs around 200°F normal driving!

[@JuanLopez-gh1rb]

And easy way to really find out about transmission temps...have some one buy a OBD monitor and drive a older tundra...and type in the specs on this video and compare

[@putmeincoach7663]

Been done on Tundras forum, 2017/2018 models running 25-40 degrees cooler than 2019/2020.

[@JuanLopez-gh1rb]

@@putmeincoach7663 then Houston we have a problem lol.... Every 20 degrees makes a huge difference in transmission heat!! ...yeah they need to add a recall and slap that cooler on there...

[@crivitzguy5017]

Yeah, new sensor will fix it right up...b.s. Better yet, bypass the friggin thing. Typical duck and dodge tactics.

[@stevematti6548]

Hey Tim , does this mean any tundra made before the real tow package went away is gold and any 2018 is the the wanted one ? Thanks

[@kevinstenger4334]

I agree with the guy. Toyota needs to do a service bulletin to install a cooler free of charge fo anyone who asks. That truck should be able to haul the heaviest trailer it’s rated for on the hottest day of the year up a mountain at highway speed without overheating the transmission or engine, if not then Toyota has a responsibility to fix it or reduce the rating of their vehicles.

[@geoffmooregm]

Lucky my 2017 Sequoia has the thermostatically controlled cooler. I just towed my 6300lb trailer 6 hours straight with the ambient temp being 35°C. Temp gauge for the trans and engine never moved and I was giving it hell up the hills with the A/C blasting too. Still impressed with it every time I tow. My wife primarily drives it because I have a company car and she absolutely loves it too.

[@johnbrant7016]

I have a 2010 Sequoia with the tow pkg that has the trans temp gauge as well. Loaded, unloaded, towing a trailer in the mountains of WV with full throttle pulls as long as 5-7 minutes at a time in 90 deg temps with AC running and have never seen the gauge even twitch past it's normal position. I don't know what the actual temp is, but whatever it is, it doesn't change perceptibly regardless of ambient temperature or load. I had a 2008 Tundra that made the same journey many times- no tow pkg- with no issue whatsoever, and traded it with 212,000 zero issue miles for the Sequoia, which is now pushing 200K- also zero issues. Basic maintenance. Period. Clearly there is an issue with the new trucks if they are getting trans temp warnings, and agree with everyone saying Toyota needs to install a cooler. Never had an issue before, now they do.

[@Bosha92]

2016 has the exact same description but we have the trans cooler on it! Toyota should make this right, and fix the sticker!

[@gacs1973]

Another reason I'm going to keep my 16 Tundra with 47K miles. Have cooler. Do not have all that safety stuff....After driving for 55 years I don't need a computer to tell me whether its ok to pass. Just sayin...

[@johnbrant7016]

AMEN Brother!

[@kurtwstson7886]

I thought Toyota would be a nice trade up from Dodge so I bought a Toyota tundra sr5 . I have had it in the shop for routine maintenance 3 times but they have yet to fix any recalls. Thinking I should buy a Titan and see if Nissan is as rude as Dodge and Toyota

[@cbpilotcars1]

I believe each manufacturer has their temp ratings, but I will say my 2014 Ford F-150 ran around 240°. Our 2004 Chevy Avalanche runs around 200° and our 2015 Chevy Colorado runs around 150°. So it's really hard to say....

[@robertyoung8289]

Why would my 2020 Tacoma TRD PRO have a trans cooler then? 🤔

[@joshe2178]

Does it tho? www.tacomaworld.com/threads/missing-transmission-cooler.671079/

[@davidcox2197]

@@joshe2178 Not after March of 2020, they dropped them on Tacomas as well.

[@billmccann217]

At least the thermostat is still there, unlike the Tundra, if you want to add an external.

[@northerntoyota7584]

So the temps he posted while empty are acceptable? Yes of course, it's the temps while towing that were the issue wasn't it?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Actually, the owner thinks it’s high. Owners tell me they should be running 180-190 or so empty. Toyota updated and said 280 or below is fine. Also, owner updated dealer can’t find any issue resulting in trans temp warning coming on.

[@dougsmith7195]

In 2018 a Toyota Tech told me at 230 you should be looking to pull over. I had a 2017 4Runner pulling a 2500 lbs trailer. Temp from ScanGauge2.

[@alienation-k1x]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Any trans temperature over 225-230 for any length of time will be catastrophic to seals and clutch plate material. Any transmission mechanic can verify this.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

alienation I hear what you are saying. I’ve asked this question and Toyota simply disagrees. There testing doesn’t show any damage. I don’t know the specifics of their testing, but I know they are pretty fanatical when it comes to testing.

[@bob7501]

I have a 2019 Colorado with the V6 and "tow package" but my transmission temperature on the 8-speed automatic runs about 127 - 134 on hot days while NOT towing. I haven't had a chance to tow anything heavy so I can't comment on towing temperatures but 225 + seems pretty high to me.

[@ShadowOppsRC]

It is! Especially for basically being empty!

[@hochhaul]

Any length of time at 225+ is going to damage the seals, frictions, and check balls.

[@ShadowOppsRC]

@@hochhaul correct.

[@amprg]

My 5.3L Silverado 19 is exactly at the same range of yours. 225 is too high 💀 for an empty truck.

[@hochhaul]

@@amprg That is too high, even for a 6-speed GM. Normal trans temp for a 6-speed truck is 195 to 205. 225 is only if it's a 6-speed plowing snow. The 8-speed will never exceed 200 under normal operating conditions.

[@EPaul]

I have a 2020 SR5 with tow package and it shows Eng/Trans Fluid Coolers on the sticker just like the Pro

[@KenTarrant]

Almost traded my 15 on a 20 until I found out about this!

[@AdSando12]

Yep was looking at a 20 platinum. Ill keep my 16

[@PaulSter]

It's totally fine. People are over thinking this. There are no reports of trans failures on the newer Tundras with the tow package.

[@duanepredhome6523]

I had a 2016 tundra and would tow a 6500 trailer if going up a hill it would down shift but would not up shift once on level ground took along time to up shift took to dealer 2 times nothing wrong .traded truck in

[@bonou21941]

I have a 2020 platinum and it also reads that it has a cooler

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Heat exchanger yes, cooler no.

[@bonou21941]

I think a class action lawsuit needs to be done, for misleading the equipment.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Peter my information comes from the comments on this video. I don’t know anything beyond that.

[@peiguy1982]

I look forward to some interesting responses to this video Tim. Transmission cooler delete aside, their is no factory gauge to give transmission temperature in the Tundra EVIC? Are Toyota owners not privileged to this information? My Ram Hemi EVIC shows 180 wide open passing full temp.

[@luismedina5581]

Ford f 150 2018 to

[@PaulSter]

Haha! Great opening. As a 2019 Tundra owner, I'll be keeping up with your excellent vids. Paul - Deep in the heart of Texas!

[@airratchetjockey7605]

Come on Toyota 227° unloaded on a 80° day is too warm.

[@weloveups831]

I have just downloaded the toyota product information sheets for 2019. The tow package is std on all models but crewman. Tow package includes trans temp gauge and oil and trans oil coolers. Marketing arm didn't read their own product sheets.

[@robertrousseaux1059]

I agree , it’s probably a sensor. What did his dealer say? Or did he jump to conclusion? Please let us know what the fix was. I highly doubt you have a transmission problem .

[@jimthumerzs2301]

Toyota needs to tell us the number. While snow plowing, I've always kept the trans temp gauge showing on my GM trucks. I was always told that you should start watching it at 200, slow it down at 225 and shut it down (idle) well before anything close to 300. I realize they're different manufacturers and I have a lot more faith in Toyota's products, and they claim to be using a hi-temp fluid, but a 500 degree trans temperature redline? No way! This issue is keeping me from buying a Tundra. I wish they would resolve it. It is, however, good to learn from this video that there is at least a trans temp sensor and a warning screen!

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

500 degree trans temperature redline? Where did you hear that?

[@cabeza528]

But why removed it if have been for years on the truck and it help the trans run cooler?

[@battleshipnewjerseysailor4738]

In my opinion the cooler the trans fluid the better, I owned a 98 Dodge Ram 1500 with two coolers, the one in the radiator and a second external one, while I didn't get to tow anything I did load the bed with almost a ton of stuff when I moved to Texas and no problems. The truck had over 160K on the clock and it would move up a not too steep incline at idle, but that's just my case

[@mikopaq]

My Toyota dealership overfilled my engine oil and when I pointed it out, instead of agreeing to drain the excess, they immediately went to the idea that the dipstick was bad!? 🤣🤣🤣 Told them, just drain the fucking oil. Problem solved. Dealerships SUCK.

[@Blackpanther_risen]

If Toyota don’t clarify or correct this issue, Toyota will be heading the same directions as the domestic Big 3 truck manufacturers......that is bad reliability , dependability, & quality

[@CheekyMonkey888]

that s exactly where they are headed, intentionally

[@Brandon-yp2wy]

Tim I bet your friend with the trail boss is really glad he didn't go tundra after seeing this video! He would probably have had the same problem if he is planning on getting a trailer

[@nelsonlinkousii5174]

I have a 2019 and my Sticker shows it has the transmission cooler but it does not!!! My 2019 transmission is overheating when NOT towing. When climbing a mountaintop with only tools in the truck, the overheat light comes on every time I climb this same mountain that is only 3759 feet tall. Toyota needs to put the cooler on the 2019 & 2020 Tundras. The sticker shows it has a transmission cooler. If it is the sensor, ALL sensors should be replaced under a recall.

[@josegutierrez3486]

Toyota is over rated.

[@ncurc9766]

Big time

[@garryburrell954]

My 2012 tundra ran a lot cooler a d anything over 215 starts the varnish to start forming in the trans.

[@edlyli7166]

This is why I still with my 2018. Love it

[@soapbox187]

Could it be that they neglected to review the sticker before just pasting on the window of the new 2019s and 2020s? I dont have an issue with toyota not updating their proven engineering but I do have an issue with them omitting a once standard part, made it optional and neglected to tell the consumer. Here in Canada the tow package comes standard on all toyota trucks including the transmission cooler. I dont think this was a malicious money grab but an oversight that should have not happened.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yes. They forgot to update the sticker for sure.

[@seandelong3752]

My biggest problem is with that window sticker. I went from a 16 to a 19. And my window stickers list them the same way. I only found out after I bought the 19 that it didn't have a transmission cooler. I've never had an issue with towing but still like to know what I'm buying!

[@putmeincoach7663]

Class action lawsuit incoming for that exact reason.

[@DCSPORTSTER]

I don’t care who built it anything over 250*F game over

[@billbeck4661]

You just proved that Toyota is wrong, it's written on the delivery sticker that it's has a oil cooler. Toyota should install an trans cooler like the sticker shows. Thats like buying a V8 motor and when you lift the hook and it's a 6cly, and Toyota saying its ok, the sticker was wrong..

[@jerkyturkey007]

What toyota is claiming as a trans cooler I'd the radiator,... which every automatic transmission has. What is the normal way of doing it is the manufacturers install an external trans cooler on towing package trucks.

[@zacharyedgar5238]

The 2020 has a trans cooler on the side of the transmission the 2007 to 2018 have 2 coolers the one on the transmission and one on the front in either its own cooler or one that's apart of the condenser

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Heat exchanger not trans cooler.

[@vzangla]

It actually does have a trans "heater/cooler" lol ...that engine coolant transfer block (right after the spacer that used to be a trans cooler does "cool" after its done heating. Hard to explain but you still did a pretty good job. I added a cooler using OEM parts (thermostat and hard lines) then I went bigger on the flow through style cooler and added an electric fan with a sensor..if it dies it dies at least I tried. I worked hard and really have no use for the dealer even though I am under warranty.

[@freddyflintstoned913]

If the Monroney label says it has one Toyota needs to install one. Simple as that.

[@henryford2736]

Guess that's a question for the lawyers

[@stevematti6548]

Tim , don’t mean to be pushy, but what’s the answer on trans coolers and if you could give me a update on the damn turn signals issue also . Toyota starting to be unpleasant Plz and thanks 😊 /\

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Sounds like turn signals was a recall. Working on update to this video. Emails are out there to people waiting for response.

[@jackcobbiii1797]

We have a 21 Tundra and I can smell hot transmission fluid while driving under normal city but highway disappears with the wind. Sucks we can’t even check the levels

[@jackcobbiii1797]

static.nhtsa.gov/odi/tsbs/2021/MC-10203529-9999.pdf had this under warranty and feels better and no transmission smells now;)

[@joejr9653]

Did he have the truck checked out? Was the sensor bad causing the warning?

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

He did have it checked out and opted to install a transmission cooler as well. He hasn't had an error since, but no clear connection between transmission cooler and no error.