I've owned both, let's compare: 2022 Toyota Tundra vs 2021 Ford F-150

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Here is the video showing off the new Tundra including what I paid for it and more on the truck: kzbin.info/www/bejne/rZaVpXh4p7dkoc0

[@icare7151]

Towing fuel economy is a area I hope your planning on testing to compare the 2022 Tundra gas and hybrid versions vs the 2021 Ford Hybrid F150 towing the same weight and testing conditions. Toyota needs a 30amp 3000w 110v/220v inverter for the Tundra hybrid model.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

@@icare7151 For sure. I'm going to do the same loop, with the same trailer and hopefully around the same temp I did last year. I just need the weather to cooperate. Blowing 60 mph here today and then a blizzard tomorrow. Makes towing tough. LOL

[@smrtguy77777]

@@Pickuptrucktalk True but that’s great testing weather though.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

@@smrtguy77777 Yeah, no. LOL.

[@icare7151]

@@Pickuptrucktalk Awesome! Living in Colorado Springs, CO on Cheyenne Mountain 🏔 @ 6800 ft, the Winter winds are brutal this season. We clocked winds over 100 mph over the last 4 weeks. Only a total of 4” of snow here on Cheyenne Mountain, a record low of snow this season with record high winds = extreme fire danger. We pray we don’t have a Boulder Colorado style fire event. Hopefully you can do a towing test with the Tundra Hybrid in the future as well. The towing mpg will be interesting. Many report towing with the F150 hybrid is virtually the same highway mpg as the non hybrid version with the same motor. Apparently the in town F150 hybrid towing does have only slightly better fuel economy than the non hybrid F150 with the same motor, towing the same weight, conditions, elevation etc. We praise Toyota for not offering the standard “two tone” under carriage oxidation called rust found on Ford and GM products even when new. Not acceptable Ford and GM.

[@lorneehlert4606]

All trucks have their pros and cons. All trucks will eventually need work done to them. Just keep doing what your doing and showing us all the honest truth about them. And the tow hooks I 100% agree with. They are needed.

[@bparker8195]

" All trucks will eventually need work done to them." While true... The caveat being.. Some less than others.

[@johnoberle9750]

I will say with Toyota being all new. Reliability will have to stand on its own and earn its rating.. usually Toyota is more reliable. I don’t automatically give that to them. I will also say when known problems exist do they in time fix them? My opinion GM is horrible about doing that.

[@daleradder7354]

You want to talk about reliability show me a 1950's to the 1990's Toyota trucks still on the road today. Go to classic car shows I don't see any tundras there do you. I still have my 1974 GMC 1500 350V8 runs perfectly no issues. Funny I never seen a 1974 Tundra around oh wait they weren't around back then. American Trucks are the best.

[@WorldWar546]

@@daleradder7354 the Tundra came out in 2000 though?

[@daleradder7354]

@@WorldWar546 what does that tell you. Ford Gm and Dodge been making trucks for over 100 years. 1/2 ton 3/4 ton and 1 ton not to mention dually trucks. Toyota doesn't know how to make a truck so they copy. Don't waste your money on a Japanese p.o.s get yourself a real truck and stop playing with toys.

[@bobmaison9568]

I’ve had two F150s a 2004 XLT in black and my latest 2017 XLT also has the Lariat options in black with the gray lower panel and tan interior with the 3.5 Eco Boost twin turbo. I Love this truck, it’s me. Styling, function, ride the whole package. I love the chrome grill, it looks like a MACK truck, the chrome wheels, door handles. It’s gorgeous that’s what it is. I don’t like my trucks riding, looking and sounding like a truck. I can take my F150 anywhere and be proud of it. Proud that FORD is an American Family Company and building such outstanding products.

[@willyH99]

The tow hooks thing is huge. Up in Canada the are used regularly in the winter or work great in a pinch for pulling on equipment etc when it's stuck. Huge oversight by Toyota.

[@nordicwolf8808]

🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦❤️

[@jjgonza100]

Agreed

[@ytsux9259]

Here in Seattle, I haven't been in a truck in 30 years. LOL! But still I'm watching this. 🤣

[@Scuzeme1]

Just use the saved funds from not having the truck in the shop like an f150 and put an aftermarket wench on the front. Problem solved.

[@BobPritchard]

@@Scuzeme1 There are very few wenches that would agree to be hung on the front of the truck. You'd surely get feminists completely up in arms. That's why putting a winch there would better - they never talk back and they are far less expensive in the long run.

[@pjmtts]

The first time I needed tow hooks was when I drove next to a septic sand mound… had KO2 tires on and sank like a stone, pulled out by my hooks by a super duty with hooks. Priceless.

[@tv-ke4lx]

Wow… Impressive As if there’s no other way to get out of a situation If you can’t figure something else out or find another place to hook onto you shouldn’t own a truck and I’m not defending Toyota I don’t understand why they didn’t put them on there either but quit bitching about it already

[@ronhayes832]

I use my F-150 day and night. I use the tailgate step daily (my old man knees and back appreciates the step). I love the perimeter lighting at night…it keeps me from stepping into puddles (my wife likes them, too). I use the tow hooks 6-8 times a year…usually to help others. I recently used my front tow hooks to pull out some shrubs. The Toyota is a very reliable grocery getter or for the occasional trip to a home improvement store.

[@lesterparker1594]

Hell yea. That’s exactly what my 2021 ranger is used for

[@nickp8373]

Grocery getter? Go back to bed old timer.

[@1986subway]

What an insulting compliment 🤣

[@BlackacreRanch]

I have to agree with you Ron. Checked out the new Tundra and was disappointed in its bed trim and other points. It wouldn't survive my use of a truck.

[@johnathankim6721]

As much as I have been wanting to get the new tundra as I loved since the beginning they released the photos I decided to go with a V8 XLT F150. After looking at different trucks I just fell in love with the F150. Tundra was at the top of my list than fell to #3. f150 being 1 and Ram 2. Great videos keep it up!

[@sourasinphonemany7783]

i work at the ford shop for 18 year the ford have many problem with trans and coolant leak and timing change that mean suck

[@johnathanbeicher536]

You’ll regret it in the long run. 👍🏼

[@randyjackson347]

@@rayrdelle Rams reliability SUX..

[@calebniederhofer6529]

@@sourasinphonemany7783 ? You lose all credibility, with a poorly written message. What are you talking about? Fords 10 speed? It has been solid, except for a select few trucks. Those, were mostly produced in the new generation, and during Covid.

[@8corymix8]

You won't regret that. The coyote motor in the Ford is the way to go. Fantastic truck. They out sell every one else by like 1000 percent. LoL. Dodge is garbage. Toyota is fantastic but I'd still by a Ford

[@Johnny_Bee]

I'll be honest Tim, when I saw your video of the F150 powering your trailer, I thought that was the coolest thing ever and almost made me want to buy one.

[@mattbrew11]

You should. Thanks a fantastic feature

[@joeurway2840]

I have one and it is cool. I can run everything in my trailer when boonie camping.

[@Ultratron100]

Great video. Truck is not ugly. The grille frame being chrome is awful. Color matched frames on the SR5/TRD Pro trims make the front perfect. No tow hooks is stupid. It's been months and still no options from Toyota. Inexcusable.

[@paulhunter9613]

Th The truck is horrendously ugly

[@mjuberian]

The no Tow hook deal is simply incomprehensible to me. WTF?

[@redtitan29]

I completely agree. I would expect that from Honda but definitely not Toyota with its off road roots.

[@duggydo]

You nailed it Tim. Bottom line is, this Tundra is a huge disappointment. It reminds me of how the Tahoe and Yukon became luxury grocery getters that are more expensive and less usable.

[@Ultratron100]

After more thought I have to agree. I was going to buy the new Tundra but not looking likely now. It’s a bad look when a prominent reviewer thinks the truck is ugly. Even more so when apparently there are Toyota engineers unhappy with the tow hook situation. How are consumers supposed to have confidence in a product when the maker does not. I guess I’ll stick with GM.

[@josephpalo190]

@@Nk-bc1qb Man, I agree 1,000,000% on what you said. Why would you buy stuff and talk s#!t about it. I owned a 07 tundra and a prius and never let me down. Just change tires and oil and it will run forever!

[@Ultratron100]

@@Nk-bc1qb Thanks. I'll keep your words in mind while I shop around.

[@CJColvin]

@@Nk-bc1qb I agree 100% and I bet the 5.7L I-Force V8 in the Tundra will outlast any EcoBoost engine out there and the Tundra is made in Texas not in Japan so there for its American as well. But however since you American harshly is it just me or do you sound anti-American. Also I have a 1996 Ford F150 with a 5.0L (302) Windsor V8 with 210,000 miles and still going strong 💪. The only things I replaced on my truck was the starter, the rear fuel pump, and the power steering megunisum but other than that mostly was just simple maintenance, took out the transmission fluid just to get rid of the shuttering it was making and it hasn't had a problem ever since. I also have a Ford 2011 Ford F150 with a 5.0L Coyote V8 in it with 144,000 miles and still going strong as well and its a beast and it sounds like a beast with the Borla ATAK.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

@@Nk-bc1qb Toyota reliability isn't what it used to be and that was always a myth. Tacoma frames, highlander issues, new Tacoma issues, list goes on. People are brainwashed into paying more for Toyota like apple has done to it's sheep

[@rerod650]

Agree 95% with the reasoning behind your complaints and praises of the truck. With your comment about hard buttons and people saying it’s not a truck thing… working and wearing gloves is a truck thing. Hard buttons work with gloves, touch screens not so much. No tow hooks is a big negative. Rear access with tailgate down is a big negative. A big power inverter would be very useful increasing its usability. Front tow hook story, had terrible winds a couple weeks ago. Trees down, power lines down, etc. after storm I was helping with cleanup and checking on neighbors. Was a tree down over the road. Strap to front tow hook and I pulled the tree out of the way so people can get down the road. Tow hooks on trucks is a must. Big big miss on Toyota there…

[@maxw576]

Same tow hooks story here... high winds downed a mature tree across our driveway a few months ago. Used tow hooks to move large chunks. Same thing happened a couple years ago when I was between trucks and it was a PITA clearing the drive. It's so much easier pulling with front vs rear due to visability and maneuvability. The comfort improvements in trucks are nice, but the manufacturers should remember they are a tool and need to be useful.

[@JimGuz56]

I purchased a 2021 F150 King Ranch Powerboost last March and now it has 11,000 miles. No rust on the rear diff or elsewhere and no rattles. Overall i love it. The only issue thus far has been the passenger seat massager went out and needed replacement. I’m averaging between 20 & 21 mpg, not too bad. I make a lot of short trips with it which seems to drag down the mpg. On longer trips it seems to get closer to the 24 rating.

[@earl4672]

That truck I love anyone who was able to purchase a 2021 King ranch power boost the layout from this truck from the leather inside the technology across the the board one of the most smoothest dynamic ride truck you will drive. got an advantage on everybody in the game this is the hardest truck and I do mean the hardest truck in the country to find and get if you got one of these you got yourself a truck that's going to last you and it's not a traitor

[@joeurway2840]

I have exactly the same F150 PowerBoost King Ranch model as you. I have 13,000 miles on it. No rattles, rust, or problems at all. I’m getting exactly the same mpg range as you. I use the power generator with my trailer and power whatever I want. When other folks ride in the truck and see the features, they end up putting the F150 on their buy list BUT… that nada/zip availability thing!

[@JimGuz56]

@@joeurway2840 Looks like we bought at the right time! I love the generator capabilities. Already powered my house during an outage 😊

[@randomstuff463]

Better than my 3rd gen Tacoma will ever get.

[@seagullsbtn]

I just got a F150 a few days ago-not even a week. It and the Tundra were only competitors in the sub $60k spec’’s with Adaptive Cruise etc. Now just try and find a Tundra. You can’t. I have the 5.0 XLT and am still learning it’s features. Loving Sync 4-the power of its system, the flexibility it gives the owner.

[@davidgrunklee8407]

Which sub 60k ford package includes adaptive cc?!

[@Sean-oq3ox]

I held out for a couple years till the new tundra's came out. Super underwhelming and don't get the decisions they made. My 2022 f150 tremor will be here in 2 months. I would have bought Toyota, but they blew it for me.

[@AJourneyOfYourSoul]

Me too.

[@Painfulwhale360]

I followed next gen tundra rumors for several years just to be severely underwhelmed. I have a F350 tremor 6.7L on order… probably won’t see it until summer though.

[@yukonstriker1703]

@@Painfulwhale360 Chip shortage sucks!

[@jeffreyfrankenfield1994]

Really disappointed in new Tundra as well. I have a 2015 Tundra Limited and will hold on for a few more years. Next vehicle won't be a Tundra.

[@Painfulwhale360]

@@yukonstriker1703 Amen!

[@BrickyardPowerMan]

I started the video ready to disagree but in reality, it was an excellent comparison - fair and reasonable. One of the best so far on the 2022 Toyota Tundra.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Thanks. Glad I could cool your jets on fighting back. 😄

[@m1lkman1974]

Bang on Tim! Thank you for this comparison! Hopefully Toyota addresses the shortfalls that you pointed out because they are important to a lifetime truck owner like myself. No tow hooks and regular tailgate (after having two trucks with premium easy step ones) would be a dealbreaker. The light issue is a niggle but not a deal breaker but definitely worth note. Keep up the great stuff!!

[@Cody_Austin]

My grandfather always said 4 wheel drive will get you stuck further from home, so when you need tow hooks… YOU REALLY NEED TOW HOOKS. And the bed access is another great observation. If Toyota wanted to really refine this generation of tundra, they will address both of those topics and I hope they do.

[@benmcintosh1234]

I live in northern Canada and we get alot of snow. I went off the road and used my front tow hooks on my tundra to pull it out. Otherwise if I didn't I would have had to wait hours for a tow truck. They need to add those tow hooks IMO for those who live in rural areas where trucks are actually used as trucks.

[@Inspector694]

And thats how they get you suckered into getting the next generation.

[@Boobtube.]

@@benmcintosh1234 Toyota is to worried about saving a few $$$ in production costs and are blind to the fact that people are just going elsewhere. I do not understand how they are in front of GM,Ford, and Ram as far as sales.

[@TonkaFire2019]

@@Boobtube. they aren’t in the truck market!

[@Boobtube.]

@@TonkaFire2019 well, Toyota does make trucks, so I'd say they are in the truck market. Your statement makes no sense.

[@erniearruda8861]

Tow/recovery hooks or D rings should be a must on trucks and SUV. This equipment is more useful for getting out of trouble when your truck slides of the road way on a major Snow storm into the ditch. You need recovery points that is strong to get you out and safe.

[@chada472]

The frame cant handle it.

[@aslylentphil]

This is how confident toyota is. It will never need to be towed 😁

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Guess they will hook a rope to the ugly grill when they get stuck

[@schutte83]

Every fault you mentioned with the new tundra solidified why I’m keep my 2019 Tundra TRD Pro for a very long time. Very good key points. This is why I like this channel. Very honest and not biased.

[@johnyota131]

Sure do agree about wanting more features. More tailgate features is NEEDED in today's truck wars. The lack of tow hooks didn't bother me at first but now I can see the benefit. BRING BACK THE TOW HOOKS TOYOTA! I have my 21 TRD Off-Road Limited and am leaning towards holding onto it now.

[@lesterparker1594]

It’s a 1 year old truck. Yea keep it.

[@c.m.303]

Mines an '03 Runs great. I decided to hold on to it longer.

[@ejshelby5460]

The impression that tundra is solid has been evading me, honestly. Of all the new and pre-owned pre-2022 Tundra I drove, all but one had wiggly brake pedal, always some play. All had wiggly shifter housing/box. When you shift the gated shifter, that while assembly moves. Then on top, the excessively hefty body roll just make you tired and feel like riding an elephant. It sure may be 2500-ish for a 1500 truck but cumbersome and fat and jiggly

[@yukonstriker1703]

I've felt this also, I would never buy a Tacoma, 4Runner because of the DATED underpinnings they keep using from the 80's. Their ride/handling give me a headache. Tundra is better yet far from perfect.

[@CtrlAltRetreat]

Odd, I haven't had this issue. I just got a brand new trd pro this month. Everything is rock solid. I've even got the center console safe and everything is bolted down.

[@AXHEJAZ]

Everything you mentioned makes complete logical sense. I'm a Toyota fan and a Ford fan and I'm perplexed that Toyota has left out key features on a truck. I'm a product manager at my company and I scrutinize meticulously the product before it's released for MP, and I make sure the POC is solid almost to MP status. The fact that the MP is not what the market expected I question the product manager and I would hold him accountable for missing the marks. With that said if anyone wants a solid product manager you can contact me but I'm not cheap but I will get you where you need to be in the market. 😏🤙💪👌

[@dyates6380]

LOL!!!!!!! You're kidding, right?

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

Yes I was offer my services over KZbin and Craigslist too!

[@armedmariner]

I ordered an F350 7.3l 4x4 long bed. I have been waiting 3 months now. Meanwhile I’ve been looking at these new Tundras. I get all the GOOD you are saying Tim - and please know - I am very much a Toyota guy - but I just can’t pay $60k for a truck that’s not a big old 3/4 ton work truck. The Tundra is now like a car. I don’t want a car. I have gone down the road of calling dealers and trying to get in their Tundra allocation wait list. One guy in particular in Seattle was awesome about really searching for me. He found me a beauty. An SR5 Crew Max Long Bed 4x4 and it was Army Green and the pics looked pretty darn nice. He was getting it around Jan 15. Asked if I wanted to deposit $1000 on it since it was not presold. I asked for the total price. They were asking $5k above sticker plus some ridiculous $2k Executive Package which he couldn’t explain. Something about if the truck gets stolen they give me $3k. WTF?? Anyway. These Toyota dealers are fleecing us. This Tundra ain’t a $60k truck. It’s a $45k truck. My F350 XLT will come in cheaper than what that dealer wanted for a Tundra. Laughable since the 350 can haul a trailer with two Tundras sitting on top. The only thing the Tundra has better is mpg finally. Haha. Remember we complained about older 5.7 V8 mpg. I think they fixed it. But this ain’t no work truck. I plan to USE my work truck. My 350 will have about 3000 payload? Like far more than I’ll need. But when hauling stuff more is better. I recently drive a long bed 250 Lariat 3500 miles not towing all highway. It was a 7.3 Godzilla. Got 14.9 mpg across all those miles. And there were times where I was holding 85 smoothly at 2,000 quiet rpms. I am going to quit looking for Tundras and stick to my Ford. I can’t stand the way the Toyota dealers are fleecing us. My Ford dealer told me “when it comes in we’ll see what the sticker says and we’ll talk. We won’t mark it up and you can get the X Plan pricing from your job” (we buy only Fords at work). Ford dealer didn’t even hit my credit card for the deposit. He even gave me a couple jars of real beehive honey for my 85 year old mother in law. He calls me regularly to say hi and apologized about supply chain delays. Toyota guys are all looking for short term windfalls. Ford guy (at least mine) wants my LONG TERM business. Not just this truck. I’m done with the games. Oh and haha. When your Tundra gets stuck call me. I have two BIG tow hooks I can tether you too after we figure out where. I’ll put it in 4x4 and tank you out like a red headed stepson.

[@icosthop9998]

That is a lot to read but thank you 👌 I have not seen a long bed of anything for years 😳

[@threecrosses9988]

Definitely agree about tow hook issue. It doesn’t cost much to add. For most (not all), a truck is a work vehicle and you most likely have a time to use them, I.e., off reading, working on the farm…. Thanks for the reviews you have provided on the 2022 Tundra. I have owned a Tacoma, Tundra and Forerunner over the years and have been extremely reliable. Yes, I even have a Ford F-250 Super Duty Diesel 6.7 which I love. I just don’t like diesel fuel prices…

[@glenadams2858]

Great comments.. 1. Hybrid vs non. Toyota is putting there battery under the back seat. Where to you put anything in the Toyota hybrid? Mini van has more battery power, wow that’s sad. 2. All you’re points are spot on, I love your channel. Keep up the good work. 3. You solve problems and build things in your truck. Ford is killing it with real life. 3. Exhaust noise. I don’t like talking over my truck noise. Im glad the does is quiet not making more noise. I want quiet and fast.. 4. I’ll buy a ford, I’m sad that Toyota didn’t really step it up. 5. The bed step in really sucks, this is a huge miss, Toyota has always been lame with features cutting. You also had a hybrid for the same price.

[@EverythingBashBros]

Im torn...I really wanted the new tundra but I have used tow hooks here in kansas so many times its literally a deal breaker. Plus the chrome on the trd off road package i would get. I love the way the trd sports looks not sure why they went with chrome on the off road. Hopefully they change some things. I have the awd highlander and the camry. Was hoping to trade the f150 but think im going to wait it out.

[@Kirbysbelt]

I've got 180k miles on my 2013 f150 lariat. No major issues and it runs close to new still. No rust underneath either, but I don't live in an area where the roads are salted much.

[@jonathangray1353]

I couldn't agree with you more on the lousy rear bumper design making it even more difficult to get in the bed. I'm in my mid fifties with 32 years as a carpenter behind me and I use that corner of the bumper to step on all the time to climb in. That's gone in the new Tundra. Also, the tow hooks... Absolutely mind boggling. I just got my 2017 Tundra stuck off the edge of a driveway in mud and snow backing in my 20' trailer. A worker on site used an excavator to hook onto my tow hooks and pull me out. There would have been no way to get under the truck to hook on to anything. It was buried. This plus the truck is so ugly in the front end, I'd be embarrassed to drive it, I will not buy another Tundra. I've owned four Tundras and one Tacoma since 1998. They are losing a long term customer because of poor design.

[@MBTUE]

They are not the best at listening to their customers. You and I both use our Tundra's for work. One thing they excel at is quality. In 14 years of owning a Tundra I've only been let down once with a worn out starter. Down time is expensive. I can't say the same for the Dodge and Fords that I've had. Stick with Toyota.

[@jonathangray1353]

@@MBTUE You are correct about the quality. That is a real concern for me as, like you said, down time is expensive. I will probably go with a heavy duty truck as they are somewhat more reliable than the 1/2 ton versions. For the price of the new Tundra, I can get a 3/4 ton domestic. I have a couple years before I have to make that decision, so I'll see if Toyota corrects any of the design flaws.

[@nolebucnaround8350]

Disagree on the looks because I think it looks great as long as you do not go with the chrome grill surround. It needs to be color matched like the TRD PRO.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Newer highlanders and Tacomas are nothing but issues.

[@lordcorgi6481]

The power on board is the one reason my dad bought a F-150 over the new Tundra. Having 9.4 kW at a rent house with no power or if his power goes out is a HUGE bonus. We live in Texas and when the winter storm hit he had just got his truck and the house set up to run off the truck in case of a power outage. We had 12 people stay over because nobody had power and we ran power off the truck into the house to run a heater and things like a toaster oven or coffee machine.

[@evictioncarpentry2628]

Could have bought a generator for cheaper and it's more versatile.

[@lordcorgi6481]

@@evictioncarpentry2628 He had a generator. They're a pain in the ass.

[@mattbrew11]

@@evictioncarpentry2628 a generator isn’t more versatile wtf

[@tv-ke4lx]

Why don’t you just buy a generator? A whole lot cheaper, saves wear and tear on your truck and a whole lot more versatile You going leave your truck running for five or six days if your power is out? That’s a great idea genius A space heater a coffee machine in your TV… Wow that’s impressive I have a generator that will run my entire house for as long as I want And I can take it to anyone’s house to help them out and still have my truck available to do whatever I want

[@stevebalun9554]

@@tv-ke4lx FYI the 7.2 KW PowerPoint on the Ford does not run the engine constantly. It works off the internal battery until the battery is depleted and then it starts up automatically to charge the battery backup and then shuts off again. That's how it works

[@julesalaude458]

I think Toyota was trying so hard to catch up with technology, they simply ignored the simple add ons that could become very convenient down the road. As I carefully watched Tim’s video, am wondering if I should go ahead and cancel my 1794 that I ordered?

[@bxp1696]

I think you can get more and better for your money than the 1794. I dont hate Toyota but its hard to ignore the amount of features missed on this 2022 Tundra. Some of the features are a must when every other truck has them. Typical toyota laziness/complacency.

[@SignalCorps1]

I was planning to buy a 1794, but when it came in I was really underwhelmed by its looks due to the amount and the placement of the chrome. I know a lot of people like the chrome, so you might be fine with it. I decided not to take delivery and will consider the TRD Pro when they become available.

[@nordicwolf8808]

@@bxp1696 well said ! Spot on.

[@GODLUAT]

Cancel it

[@bxp1696]

@@SignalCorps1 That TRD Pro better have tow hooks 😀

[@DISABLED12-7]

Nice balanced comparison. For me the Tundra was ruled out because of the: 1) 400W power limit 2) Lack of storage under the rear seats with the hybrid 3) The hump in the floor.

[@nordicwolf8808]

It has a hump in the floor? How ? No way, really?

[@stevebalun9554]

@@nordicwolf8808 Ford's since 2010 and the new Rams have no hump

[@aceratokla]

The generator feature was my decision maker between them.

[@mclroy]

I live in Quebec and i can tell you that in winter, everybody uses the tow hooks at least one if not two times during winter. I can't understand that Toyota don't care about that.

[@callofdutyguy9]

Mpg

[@jfscotch]

Good job, Tim. I wholeheartedly agree. Another con for me and I don't think you mentioned it in this video but have in previous ones on the Tundra is the remote start and the key fob subscription. I am not sure if Toyota has changed that but that was a big negative for me.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Toyota says they are looking into making that change. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and that's why I left it off.

[@rebelcitysports1outlook713]

@@Pickuptrucktalk A big on you left off though Tim is payload capacity is not good on the 2022 Tundra. The maximum payload is 1,940 pounds and that can only be obtained on the SR trim which then limits your towing capacity to 8,300 pounds max.

[@cameronhart415]

Forgot all about the Ford pass app. That is for sure from the future. And I think everyone forgets about 911 assist as well. And that’s old

[@nomaam9797]

Mike said his customers don’t need a locker … they don’t …. Power to run a saw , lights , power house during a storm, tundra owners don’t need tow hooks , or even a hitch , mike thinks we don’t even need 4x4 his customers feed back has let them know , tundra owners don’t storage , or anything that a truck needs … thee online research has let Toyota of Japan know that … tundra owners need a v-6 turbo that’s exactly what Texas owners want !!! Texas men don’t want a v8 …. This truck has forced me as super most loyal Toyota owner to go buy a tremor !!! Thanks mike and Toyota !!!

[@cwqrpportable]

Priceless!

[@rebelcitysports1outlook713]

Toyota is and has been out-of-touch with 1/2 ton pickup buyers. They might as well throw the towel in like Nissan and focus on midsize pickups. They will be dead last in sales again, along with Nissan.

[@mattbrew11]

EPIC RESPONSE 😂😂😂 Enjoy your ford. I just got a 22 Powerboost and I love it almost as much as my ecodiesel gladiator on 40s (different uses obviously)

[@4.0cowboy]

Ehhh as much as I love V8’s I’ll take forced induction. Technology has advanced and Toyota knows what they’re doing. Would still like for them to add a V8 later on

[@cwqrpportable]

@@4.0cowboy I think you missed the nuance of his comment. It's about customer choice, not which technology is better.

[@phippy6227]

In the market for new 1/2 ton. Test drove a new Tundra Limited, F150 XLT and Nissan Titan Pro-4X. The Titan was the best inside and out followed by the F150. The Tundra had impressive technology and power but plastic, plastic and more plastic. I mean most have it just the Tundra felt like something found in a 25K vehicle, IMO

[@xspower21]

Agreed, it's the same issue I had when test driving it..it felt like it was all just cheap ass plastic every where, and fit and finish were not great either.

[@repairvehicle]

Titan with direct injection technology, is a problem around the corner

[@jimmyspencer4019]

I own a 21 nissan titan pro4x luxury. Out of all the full size trucks I've owned the titan is the family favorite overall. Each truck had there quirks and advantages but overall as whole titan is our fav.

[@repairvehicle]

@@user-tw8ov, Tundra had cylinder deactivation?

[@user-tw8ov]

@@repairvehicle what tell me about it also no cylinder deactivation

[@mclark2330]

I’ve owned several Tundras, but I cannot understand why the Toyota engineers decided to remove tow hooks. I’m off road a lot and wouldn’t have a sense of security knowing there gone. Cmon Toyota let’s get em back on for 2023….

[@cmdrdarwin3682]

I 💯 agree! Toyota just doesn’t get it! They need a top down reorganization to get back to their roots. Most Toyotas are freak’n ugly now, with their horrid grills. I love the reliability, but the little things add up to a vehicle that’s undesirable to the masses.

[@tiggerwoods100]

Really you will turn down quality over a grill. You are a real smart investor.

[@cmdrdarwin3682]

@@tiggerwoods100 - If it’s ugly, it’s ugly & I don’t want it. You can’t polish a TuRD. BTW, new automobiles are almost NEVER an investment.

[@nordicwolf8808]

@@cmdrdarwin3682 agreed 100% 👍👍

[@THEGAMINGHELP101]

I am a huge Toyota fan, but pretty much all you said I agree with and Toyota better fix all these things next year. Some one that likes Toyota but is not a huge fan will likely not buy a Tundra over a F-150 over all the missing features.

[@lwleedy]

You hit the nail on the head. I’m getting a new truck this year and it’s between the hybrid Toyota and the power boost Ford. The only thing I didn’t think about is the lighting. The generator is the biggest thing for me, I live in Florida and with hurricanes I think it be very beneficial.

[@jmc6000]

ProPower on Board is a game changer

[@cwqrpportable]

I'm an RV'er plus we're building a remote cabin; for us, the Pro Power Onboard was a big big feature. Our new Lariat Powerboost is coming in the spring and we're over the top waiting for it. I've seen first hand what my brother's Powerboost is capable of while his family are RV dry camping (boondocking) with their RV and how he uses it at work.

[@Vox-Populi]

Real world: 2 days ago I was driving on ice and 5" of snow in Illinois. Vehicles were in the ditch. No tow hooks in that situation is a liability, and limits your ability to help others.

[@rebelcitysports1outlook713]

Absolutely. The omission of tow hooks on the 2022 Tundra will cost Toyota THOUSANDS of sales in Northern climates.

[@mattbrew11]

Dont ever pull people in reverse. EVER. Front tow hooks are for recovering the vehicle they are attached to

[@davidcmatson]

@@mattbrew11 Not being a smart a** here, just curious about your warning not to recover a vehicle in reverse? Thanks!

[@detroitdiesel-vu3ig]

@@mattbrew11 care to elaborate on your epiphany?

[@mattbrew11]

@@davidcmatson vehicles are not designed to pull from the front. The reverse gear isn’t designed for it. Its seems simple but it isn’t. Maybe electrics will change that theres no vehicle that pulls that way for a reason. Theres also the visibility aspect and what happens to the strap/tow hook etc in failure aspect

[@rodjbosch]

No matter what the new tundra is disappointing. Nothing amazing,nothing terrible. Thing is it's a truck years in the making and its "average" at best. Guess I was expecting more....

[@MrSweetHart6976]

I definitely agree with your list Tim. But what I really don't like about the new Tundra is they did just enough changes to become competitive again with the other brands, but based off their track record they won't make major changes again for another 7 to 10 years. While the others like ford are more adaptive and can make bigger changes every 3-5 years. So once again in a few years the Tundra will go back to the end of the line when it comes to competitiveness and will still cost and arm an a leg for being outdated. I love Toyota but they really need to start adjusting their way of thinking and listen more to the consumers ( they say they do but their lack of feature doesn't reflect that), or my current 2014 Tundra will be the last Toyota I buy in the future.

[@moorefaith23]

This is spot on. Toyota is in the stone age of design. They think that their customer base doesn't care, but they do. Look at what happened with chevy ignoring interior styling for the past 6 years. Those buyers went to Ram and Ford. The interior of the Tundra looks like a bigger version of the Rav 4. That is not what not truck buyers want these days.

[@rickylalonde2317]

My 2021Ram Limited beats them both hands down the best truck I ever drove...

[@cwqrpportable]

@@rickylalonde2317 I gotta give it to you Ricky, that Ram is a beautiful truck.

[@rickylalonde2317]

@@cwqrpportable mine is patriot blue split tailgate one of the best features on this truck my golf clubs almost fall out is so convenient. Air ride is awsome I have a 87 year old father in law said he would love to get in but didn't think he could I lowered it to entry exit mode he almost fell in he had a big smile .it was awsome he is a great guy

[@berkit1959]

@@rickylalonde2317 my 16 limited was nice until the 2nd transmission. Then I got a 19 tundra and have only put oil in it an its resale is over $35k

[@VertiiTheGreat]

My biggest problem with the new Tundra is how much louder everything is compared to the F150. So much rattling everywhere.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

But but Toyota reliability and quality....lol newer Toyotas are nothing but problems. Marketing has screwed over anyone buying them into thinking it's a great brand

[@stirv6462]

Do they seriously have bad interior rattles? Door rattles on gravel? All I’ve had is new duramax’s and they’ve all been good to about 20,000 miles. Then everything starts to rattle.

[@Youtubeuser1aa]

@@stirv6462my 22 sienna is squeaking and rattling lol

[@pjrodriguez9755]

As a long time tundra fan, for every reason you mentioned my 21 lunar rock pro will be my last tundra. Unless they fix everything you discussed. I’m so miffed by these decisions.

[@mikekoch4932]

I agree as well my 2021 tundra will be my last not so much for this video, but the price increase in SR5 trim being 5K more outta my price range now on 2022 tundras. I thought long and hard of just keeping my 2017 tundra forever especially since put on new brakes/rotors and new battery in 4 years and newer used tires, but bit the bullet and coughed up full msrp of 43K to get the 2021 tundra SR5 trim. Never in my wildest days was I ever going to spend over 40K on any new vehicle but did this time. Now, 2022 tundra apples to apples near 50K NO fricking way that is insane high for any vehicle to me.

[@SuperSnakePlissken]

@@mikekoch4932 I am with you. My 2021 TRD Pro double cab was $48,880 and a 2022 TRD Off road is $65,000?! F that. If you do the math I would have to drive my 2021 297,000 miles to break even on the entry cost. People complain about mpg but it’s what did you pay for the truck in the first place that matters.

[@Ranger_rick1469]

This is the first time I’ve left a comment on your channel, because I felt compelled to let you know that I really appreciate your perspective and honesty on these comparisons. I really hope that your points make it all the way up the food chain at Toyota, because they have a way of doing things in a vacuum. Which is I think I downfall in their culture.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Thanks for commenting and watching.

[@chaddelk5940]

Bed features are huge! One factor in buying my 2020 Silverado, was due to the built in steps to get into and out of the bed of the truck.

[@lesterparker1594]

I bought a 2020 trailboss. Within 6 months it was in the shop with bent rods and busted lifters. Took a month to rebuilt the engine. I traded it back in as soon as I got it back. Good luck with yours. I’ll never buy another GM product and I’m telling anyone that’ll listen not to buy one. Traded it for a 21 ranger and I couldn’t be happier to get rid of a junk truck for a good one

[@fireant1272]

@@lesterparker1594 I had a ranger and that engine/transmission had so many problems. Failures at low miles. I'd definitely not buy a ford or chevy they are both horrible built vehicles.

[@lesterparker1594]

@@fireant1272 I did tons of research. Not many common problems on the ranger. All companies put out bad vehicles, including Toyota. I’ve had mine almost a year and it’s been perfect along with most of them too hat have been bought the past 3 years. I’ll take this ranger over a GM product any day

[@fireant1272]

@@lesterparker1594 I did alot of research also. But a vehicle that hasn't been out long the research is kinda pointless. I'd trade that thing in before the warranty expires. All newer fords have been unreliable pos. My dad had a f150 3.5 ecoboost the turbo alternator exhuast manifold and timing chain needed replaced under 48k miles.

[@lesterparker1594]

@@fireant1272 I’ve always had good luck with fords. Both I had I drove for 10+ years and 200k miles. I’m pretty confident this one will make it too. Only time will tell.

[@nomaam9797]

I’ve owned 4 tundras , I’ll be a ford owner soon … thanks to the designers of the new tundra and mike with his logic of tundra owners!!!! Remember mike …. You guys made this truck and didn’t make it for men !!!!

[@cwqrpportable]

@Eric Grayson Huh? The front grill and ugly rear end make for more reliability?

[@mattbrew11]

@Eric Grayson no body had to make the horrific front end, no bumper, now tow hooked tundra to increase its reliability

[@markforbes4948]

Fords front ends are butt as ugly as well.

[@dfk4500]

Can't beat that Ford sir! 💯💯

[@richardstewart7263]

Auto 4x4 is missing, It's great to prevent wheel slip on rainy days at stop signs. Also for those winter days after the roads are plowed but there are occasional ice patches or partially covered roads

[@andyd5492]

XLT does not have Auto 4x4 either. Lariat and up do.

[@ALMX5DP]

@@andyd5492 yeah I’m willing to bet the new Capstone model will be equipped with a 4A transfer case.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I had auto 4wd in the XLT IIRC.

[@mattbrew11]

@@andyd5492 I have a 22 F150 powerboost XLT and it has auto 4x4

[@ALMX5DP]

@@mattbrew11 interesting, Ford only calls out 4A in Lariat and above, so maybe it can be specifically optioned on Powerboost equipped models?

[@tinshield]

I don’t think this truck is going to age well and I do believe it’s going to come up short in ultimate comparisons once the hype is over. Hard to say just looking at pics and videos but the interior looks cheap. Ram blows it away in that area. Also, where is the auto 4wd?

[@rebelcitysports1outlook713]

Absolutely. Once the Toyota hype/propaganda machine settles down, it's over for the new Tundra. It will be dead last, along with the Nissan Titan.

[@mattbrew11]

Theres a reason that toyota has only ever outsold Nissan in half tons

[@jamielancaster01]

Last year I bought a Tundra and it was piece of junk! After 8 days I couldn’t take it anymore & I took it back to the dealership - it cost me a couple of grand but they took it back! Then I walked across the street & bought a Lariat & I love it.

[@lc7192]

You nailed it! I agree with you 100% on the differences between the two. I thought that you were going to miss the crappy styling issues on the the Tundra,, but nope you got that one too! The only minor difference in my opinion and yours is the cheesy fake exhaust sound. I’ll never be on board with that. I’ve owned too many V8 muscle cars to agree with the replicated muscle sound. Excellent video though. I’ll be there for your next one.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

I'll take the stock 2.7 eco boost noise over fake pumped in noise tons of vehicles have now. It's a new truck I want quite, I've got an lb7 for noise

[@marcbergeron445]

Wow, great video, thank you very much, you are saying out loud what we, who were waiting for this truck with excitement and a lot of impatience, feel and think about this new truck and that, with the right tone in addition! A truck that has strengths, but a tone that makes Toyota understand that some of their decisions are just plain stupid, but I mean ... "not fun" particularly stupid. Thank you very much!!

[@tonyspencer4379]

I've got my Rock Warrior stuck once... We hooked a logging chain to the hitch and lifted it up and out. My wife sent me these videos for a real world review... Real world people are a little hard for me to stomach. No tow hooks, no parking lot illuminating lights, can't crawl into the bed without a built in ladder... They make a truck for these customers needs. They're called SUVs

[@tropmonky]

Good video. The wimpy inverter, lack of tow hooks and side lighting really put me off. I'm amazed there isn't another competitor out there with something like the Powerboost inverter/generator setup. It seems so handy, especially so with campers!

[@51AB]

It always takes everyone 10 years to copy Ford. 😅😅

[@tv-ke4lx]

If you want a generator then buy a generator While it might be some cool little gadget to stick on a truck… How many people actually use something like that on a regular basis? It’s just another gimmick and it’s sad to see Ford resort to crap like that instead of just sticking with making a good solid truck for a reasonable price like they used to do

[@51AB]

@@tv-ke4lx I see the Powerboost all the time out random camping. It's more fuel efficient, cleaner and the noise is non existent. Plus it saves a 100 lb generator and fuel cans taking up space. 400 peoplle used a loaner from Ford in the Texas power outage. Nobody has to buy one. It's something that people can use, not a gimmick.

[@adamharriger5193]

@@tv-ke4lx Tons of people will utilize the Powerboost. Camping is more popular than ever, and the powerboost is perfect not just for boondocking at state parks but also for quick overnight stops in Walmart parking lots etc… Eliminating the need to carry a portable generator and especially fuel is a big deal. People are absolutely begging Ford to add it into the Superdutys for this exact reason. Same goes for Zone Lighting- I didnt even consider it when I bought my new Tremor, its now my favorite part of the truck and gets used everyday. Ford still builds a solid truck, they’ve just added features and value.

[@cwqrpportable]

@@tv-ke4lx You don't have to buy it. There are lots of people who would use it, including our family for RV camping and for our trips out to the lake at our remote cabine. Not to mention contractors.......

[@ludah99]

I have a 2014 Sierra and it was the first year for the bumper steps and I use them everytime I get on the bed, I have used the tow hooks for myself and to help others. And my approach lighting looks the same as the 2022 Tundra. My truck is 8 years old and still has more useful features then the brand new Tundra. And I don’t have to subscribe to keep my remote start working lol.

[@bradandrews735]

I’ll stick with my 2019 Tundra TRD Sport with tow hooks.

[@FL_Jake]

Tim, thanks for your overview of both trucks and numerous videos; I think I watched them all. I was a 1st generation Tundra owner and really looking forward to the 2022, but decided instead to go with the Ford F150 Powerboost….. Key differences on why I went with Ford were: headroom, hybrid, flat floor, power on board, affordability, styling, tow hooks, entry into bed, zone lighting, battery placement, and general build options. The hybrid option with the Ford is on all trim levels unlike the Tundra. Wish Ford could integrate the Tundra rear window, but all in all happy to have made the switch. Thanks again and keep the videos coming!

[@CajunRulez]

I gotta say the onboard generator in the Ford is brilliant for people on areas where power goes out a lot. I’m on the Louisiana Gulf coast so……..yeah. I have a portable generator that wires to a transfer switch. It’s a pain in the ass to roll it out, put some gas in it, then the power comes on a couple hours later. Then I have to burn off the gas at some point so it doesn’t go bad in the tank. The truck is always right there. It always has gas. That’s just brilliant if you ask me.

[@dougwebster7639]

I've always owned a Toyota. So excited about the new Tundra. Deal breaker, Tundra does not seat 6. The grandkids can't go with me.

[@maxwellweb7623]

Tow hooks are must have equipment for a truck. I have never used it since I own my big suv over 7 years. But last week I used it twice when we went to ski yard, could not understand why taking the hooks away from a work horse.

[@kirbyspencer538]

Yes, much like 4WD for a lot of folks, who cares if you only need it once every 7 years --- when you do need it there is no substitute.

[@darrylpaterick3108]

Just install a front reciever hitch.

[@kirbyspencer538]

@@darrylpaterick3108 You can't. For the same reason you can't just add tow hooks.

[@maxwellweb7623]

@@darrylpaterick3108 I checked other KZbinr about tow hooks video, the air dam is on the way to mount anything/tools. Maybe wait till some aftermarket parts come up. Hopefully not too expensive.

[@budfox711]

No tow hooks is an unforced error. The rear bumper is for aerodynamics, but you have to wonder if it was worth it. At least they offer an accessory step for smaller folks.

[@cgj1800rider]

I have had a 2022 Tundra for a few months now. I always buckle my seat belt so I fine the reminder very annoying! My driveway is a few hundred feet long and this annoying reminder drives me nuts before I even out of my driveway! There should be someway To adjust when the alarm begins and the duration of the alarm. Guess that will never happen! Thanks for reviewing this feature!

[@MJYontheFly]

I do like the features on the F 150. The zone lighting is very nice at night. I also like the infotainment system with the split screen. Everything I’ve read about the Toyota infotainment system I think I’d probably agree with you on it. As far as the power, not that it matters if one has a little more power than the other, line em up! 😎

[@JattAnmoli]

Basically the power on board is something you dont think you need until you realize how useful it is.

[@cwqrpportable]

I have a Powerboost on order and specifically chose this model over the Tremor (my second choice) for the power on board feature. We're RV'er and are building a remote cabin near a lake. This feature is going to be super super useful for our purposes.

[@JattAnmoli]

@@cwqrpportable I would do the same. Even if you don't think there is use, one day it can save you a lot of money, time, or headache.

[@mattbrew11]

powerboost Maxtow Tremor XLT 302A would be a perfect truck IMO

[@PicuaD]

Big dissapointment for me in the tundra is the back seats. After living with the fully flat floor in the f150 I just couldnt live with that giant built in box that isnt removable and the giant trans tunnel. Cant beat being able to place large items in the cab for example a milwaukee packout rolling case which doesnt fit under a tonneau cover.

[@michaelfsadni6917]

My flat floor in the F150 is one of the best features. You’re right that huge box back there is horrible and no one calls it out

[@agentcovert]

Rather interesting to hear negativity about the fixed storage space under the back seat..as so many customers complained about the flat floor and not having a storage box that Toyota had to do something after 14yrs of people complaining about not having the storage box..of course then Toyota made the bad decision to then use that storage space for batteries on the hybrid model..just unbelievable really..the type of battery choosen takes large amounts of space and they didn't want the battery to suffer from cold weather issues like other competitors models by placing batteries outside the cab..How about that 120 volt 400 watt power outlet in the bed..I guess it could be used for a cellphone charger but that's about it..Why not put a full 15amp 120volt normal outlet that could be used for power tools or camping etc..and zero tow hooks..unbelievable choices..

[@jeffmichiels251]

I agree…love the flat floor in the back of my Ford! Was waiting to see who else would notice this besides me.

[@michaelfsadni6917]

@@jeffmichiels251 the F150 floor is so good I’m amazed it doesn’t get mentioned more. I use it all the time for my gym bags, dog and general storage. I see the tundras box back there on the old and new and I’m amazed no complains about it. I would

[@jeffmichiels251]

@@michaelfsadni6917 exactly…I also use mine for dog kennels that can sit flat on my f150 floor and many other things that I can haul back there because there IS a flat floor.

[@YesImhymn]

Was in the market for a new truck for the last 4 months. Test drove GM, Ram, Tundra and Ford and I ended up picking up a 2018 F150 Platinum. I’m aware that Toyota is the leader in reliability but to me nothing quite drives like a Ford F-150.

[@peterwilliamson8721]

Keep the same truck for 10 years ,and then come back and tell which truck is better built, more reliable, and has given you less trouble, all of them should be good out of the box .

[@shaneonews6791]

The only thing I like in tundra is the interior. The rest can go.. it's just really ugly to look at. Also.. F150 is just way more advanced. Lighter Aluminum body. Thicker frame more and smarter options. Looks much better. and you can get it with a built in generator. Full electric lighting option. Ford raptor option. 👉Tremor which is my favorite one so for. Well. Good try Toyota, but 🤢🤮 Get new designers bruh.

[@jacobstrutner8232]

Entirely flat rear seat floor and vinyl seats on f150. I'll be buying an XL with options to make in vinyl seat xlt without the tech I don't want. No other company does this

[@ebayluis23]

Totally agree with you!

[@paulmuzik4523]

You nailed it, i'm deciding between tundra and f150 and my list is the pretty close . i would add why on earth toyota still has transmission tunnel and no storage underneath the rear seat in hybrid model.

[@mikescarfone9358]

Ordered a 22 lariat sport for these reasons. Toyota Messed up on this one.

[@ryanclucas919]

I own a 2022 f150 powerboost. Xlt. XTR package. 302a.i couldn't be happier. It's not uncommon to see 8.8-even 7.6 L/100kms on the drives that are 100kms plus on ideal roads. My km to empty go up from start to finish. The 7.2 kw is another gem. The motor is phenomenal in the power department

[@felixmdigilov]

Great honest review, the chrome all over the truck is virtually a deal breaker for me aesthetically. Also not crazy about 60k OTD for a mid level truck. Disappointing.

[@lesterparker1594]

I just don’t like chrome. I got the sport package in my 2021 ranger. It gets rid of all the chrome. The truck looks much better

[@bc6806]

Agree … it’s crazy they don’t put tow hooks on the Tundra. A locking rear but no hooks

[@semiauto3148]

It’s crazy. I agree, But the entire front end is plastic…I don’t like the fact they don’t put a bumper on the front. But some people like it…and I think it looks pretty good. Not the best looking truck. But it’s grown on me

[@ds77sstx27]

The tailgate access issue can be solved by an aftermarket retractable step (I installed one on my F-150 XLT), albeit they are pricey! But I agree, manufacturers have got to start allowing for easier access to the beds since the size of trucks as ballooned...I miss my 2014 Nissan Frontier in that regard. As for the tow hooks, they also come in handy on slick boat ramps...tow hooks aren't just for offroader's.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yeah, I'm going to have to buy one of those steps. I hate that though. Spend $67k and then you must fork over $400 for a step to get into the bed.

[@jrocu2]

@@Pickuptrucktalk can you please check the inside lights on controls buttons

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

@@jrocu2 interior lights are set to full brightness. I haven’t changed it.

[@ITh4n4tosI]

There is a factory one available too

[@jeffreywright8467]

Just the zone lighting and the power onboard is enough for me to lean toward the Ford. As an outdoors man, (hunter, fisher, camper) those two items are invaluable.

[@ericconrad2383]

reasons why I ordered a 22 F150 over the Tundra. Im not paying for remote start after 2 years. No tow hooks, No tailgate steps. Better infotainment system and I still want a V8. Thanks for sharing Tim!

[@wes9175]

Thanks! Been hoping that you would do a video like this! Going back and forth between a new F-150 and this Tundra.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Glad I could help!

[@wayneberkowitz3004]

Tim- great video as usual. I am in the market for either a Ford or Toyota so your video was timely. So from you video- F150 positives are lighting around the truck, power on board, Styling (step up to tailgate), and Infotainment. Tundra - Build qaulity, power, ride quality and overall engineering. I may be wrong but the Toyota positives completely outweigh the F150 positives. Which manufacturers would be more difficult to try and achieve the other's positives... I think it would be much more difficult for Ford to address overall engineering, build quality etc. Whereas, it would be easy for Toyota to add additional lighting, power on-board, step up to tailgate, etc. To me, if this is your top 5 for each manufacturer, then Toyota clearly wins.

[@co457]

I have a 5.0L F150 that has been bullet proof going on 125K miles. oil changes, filters and tires. I also have an ecoboost expedition that is going on 97K miles. it has been bullet proof as well. Haven't had any of the timing chain/cam phaser problems yet. I have a family member who has owned two tundras and both went over 250K miles with zero major maintenance, granted he is a high milege per year kind of driver. Point being, they are both good trucks. Honestly, all the brands make "good" trucks relative to yesteryears. I think the question is not F150 vs Tundra vs Silverado, etc....It is do you prefer V8 NA vs. twin turbo V6. Longer term reliability and higher gas bill, or possibly more maintenance with lower gas bill. Every truck is going to have features benefits you like or dislike over another brand. Although no tow hooks on 4x4 vehicles from Tundra is the definition of insanity to me. Brain dead decision on that one.

[@lesterparker1594]

@@co457 you’re right, except don’t include the Silverado in there. My 2020 trailboss had the engine rebuilt before 8k miles. Rods and lifters. It’s junk. Don’t include it with ford and Toyota

[@wayneberkowitz3004]

@@co457 Really appreciate you taking the time to respond. I now have a better understanding of the 2 brands and what to consider- THANK YOU. I guess the question is... I know that Turbos based on their make up cannot be as reliable over the long term... the question is did Toyota do anything in the manufacturing of their Turbo to ensure it will be near the reliability of it's previous V-8 engine? Again, thanks so much.

[@browndogstt8546]

I think you hit the nail on the head. Toyota didn't raise the bar with this truck, they just met the industry standard. In 2 years this truck will feel outdated. In 15 years when toyota redesigns the tundra again it will be 20 years behind the times.

[@rockymountainman7]

I own a 2008 Tundra and test drove the new Tundra the other day. Sure, 2 years from now the truck will feel outdated. my 2008 however has been outdated for more than a decade. I don"t like paying for a bunch of stuff that i don't need and potentially breaks down. I used to drive Chevs and all the local part stores knew me by name. All i need the truck to do is go for a long long time without needing any repairs.

[@browndogstt8546]

@@rockymountainman7 hopefully toyota can maintain the reliability they are known for. With all the marketing that has surrounded this truck they definitely over promised on what the truck was going to be. World beating and top of the class it is not. I bought a new tundra in 2018 because I was afraid they would screw up the redesign and I am glad I did. I also wanted a truck without all the electronic crap that ford and chevy have. The "old" tundra was the best option. Hopefully the new platform will be proven and reliably by the time I decide to get a new truck again.

[@nolebucnaround8350]

@@browndogstt8546 That TRD pro is the nicest truck out and with Toyota reliability it’s a safe long term investment as well.

[@4.0cowboy]

@@browndogstt8546 engine has been used since 2017 in Lexus vehicles with a higher horsepower rating. Pretty sure the R&D was done well

[@browndogstt8546]

@@4.0cowboy you would think so but I have never seen a lexus pulling a heavy trailer, or setting at a job site idling for 8 hours a day. Since this engine has been changed to fit the truck role it is fair to say that the reliability is still questionable. I really hope they get it right but I won't be the guinea pig to find out. Fact is i will never buy another tundra. If toyota keeps progressing down the subscription ally i will never buy another toyota. I currently own 4 toyotas and have owned at least one at all times during last 22 years. My current tundra will probably be my last.

[@bryanangelov]

I've really liked the part where you show the poor lighting Toyota Tundra has -- blame the bean counters (ops I am one of them). And finally, a reviewer that openly says that the new 2022 Tundra is ugly. I was saying that on day one since I saw the truck.

[@tv-ke4lx]

I agree When you don’t like the looks of something it’s a piece of shit and no one should buy it Lighting around the outside of an automobile for the off chance that you were parked in the middle of nowhere in complete darkness? That is absolutely hilarious What have you done for the last 40 years considering lighting around the outside of automobiles has not existed until just recently

[@jeffreywright8467]

@@tv-ke4lx I second that opinion. I have to really like the look of any vehicle I own or else I have I will never be satisfied with it. The Tundra is not a look I like.

[@craigroosa9321]

I said from day one it is an ugly truck and all the other truck/suv review vlogs are afraid to say it ! Thank you !

[@bryanangelov]

@@craigroosa9321 Yeah, I am with you, and I really tried hard to like it. I saw it two times in person; it does not matter whether you see it in person or not - it is still a very ugly truck. I still hate the exterior. They can easily fix the front grill and the front lights if needed to adjust the appearance because of the new grill. I am not sure about the long hood since it is a safety requirement to protect pedestrians. That will stay. The sad thing is that the front visibility is poor and you can actually hit someone, especially children. The weird fender flares - an old school design, which they can fix easily or the buyer has to lift the track and put 35" wheels and then it will look good. Overall, it is a good truck, and people will buy it because of the shortage. But once the shortage is resolved, the new Tundra does not have a chance to compete against big 3 and 3/4 and 1 ton pickups - pricing sucks; it is ugly; and does not offer V8 engine.

[@olblu8746]

Me? I don't like where pickup trucks are headed , way too many more things to break down.

[@slalomking]

These are the best Real world reviews. I especially like the tailgate review. Tow hooks are very important to me. The new GM's have no tow hooks unless you get the AT4 package in the GMC line.

[@danielmeador1991]

The sierra’s have them regardless though

[@noniespam]

All good points Tim, between the pros and cons I find that the Ford just offered more useable options. I’m just surprised that the amount of time Toyota took to get this truck out that it wasn’t an automatic HOME RUN. Can’t believe the Off Road TRD has no tow hooks? WTF. And is mounting a winch an option, I heard it is NOT.

[@glennnichols4220]

What should Toyota have done to beat every truck manufacturer at it's own game? I think you don't understand Toyota. I don't either since I have owned all kinds of Lexus and Toyota products that I still scratch my head about some of the things they do and or don't do with their vehicles, but the one thing I know about them and have come to expect as you should have if you had been following the fact this truck hasn't had a major revamp for like 800 years, is that Toyota and Lexus very rarely move the needle forward. They are always playing catch up and when they catch up they only catch up. They never floor anyone with anything. I remember when Lexus brought out the ISF in 2008 and revealed it in 2007. Many car guys shit left and right on it. That car now however is becoming a classic, was the second Lexus but the first manufacturer to offer an 8 speed automatic. Had port and direct injection which Lexus invented in 2006 and minus some early production issues in the early years takes a beating like no other. But it didn't do anything special and was always mid pack and ho hum to Audi, BMW Mercedes. Toyota does not move the bar very often. They will be talking about this truck in 2035 when it still has the same platform

[@kannermw]

@@glennnichols4220 If moving the bar means sacrificing reliabilty, durability, and increased cost of ownership no thanks. Toyota is more conservative and does not use its customers as test bed for new technology or product development. It is the basic components in the vehicle and design that you do not see that have a longer design life then comparable American makes. This cost $$ so Toyota offers fewer features for the $$ compared to domestic manufacturers but you get that back in resale value. Anyone who wants to learn more about this should watch the video by Car Care Nut on the Tundra. There are many things Toyota has done that are not over-engineered or complex that will ensure their trucks more reliable, durable, and easier to repair should the need arise.

[@glennnichols4220]

@@kannermw I agree, however Toyota and Lexus have their fare share of issues across the board as is. And like any other manufacturer still try and cover problems up until they can't anymore. I still am a Toyota/Lexus guy, but I seriously considered buying a Mazda before I bought my 200 RX350 which has been serviced all it's life by Lexus and when I bought it in the summer of last year ran perfect until the cold weather hit and then all the issues popped up at 82k miles. I have a bsd lifter noise I think, and can not for the life of me believe the owner never had that noise and never said anything when in for service. I 100% believe they took it off the service notes somehow and then conveniently erased it so they could sell it. Can't prove it but that bad of a noise didn't start when I had it.

[@theRooster722]

Man, that Ford was so much better looking.

[@MGMG007]

Nope

[@hurricane8634]

Your high on drugs

[@MGMG007]

@@hurricane8634 first off, you’re* 😂

[@bxp1696]

This is by far the best video on this Tundra. You phrased some of the issues perfectly and honestly. 1) The infotainment issues should have been cleared before being sold ...especially since Toyota brags they have better quality and reliability. 2.) The price of the Tundra doesnt justify considering all the features its missing (zone lighting, puddle lights, footwell lights, no steps for tailgate). Toyota highlights the sliding rear window and side button on trunk but that just doesnt justify it.

[@myrddincox]

Honestly, as crazy as it sounds, approach lighting is probably the one feature that moved me from my Tundra to an F150. Such a small, simple thing but I am thankful for it almost every single morning.

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

Yeah small little things that shouldn’t matter do.

[@dudeman1455]

Great insights, appreciate the info from someone who’s lived it. I have a ‘21 Tundra and you can bet your a%* I’m keeping it! So far the things that bother me most about the new Tundra is the tow hook issue, the auto start/stop issue, and the way it looks. I’ve said that this truck doesn’t look right without being lifted and bigger tires. All this being said, if I was in the market, I would NEVER buy a truck with a twin turbo v6 from anyone but Toyota. Period.

[@user-tw8ov]

No rear bumper

[@Pickuptrucktalk]

I'll have a video on auto start/stop soon. I have some insights into it.

[@SSMedic]

@@Pickuptrucktalk nice! I was hoping you would do a video on when it activates and how to work around it in the real world. I've read that if you keep tow haul on or windshield defog on, it will not activate. Also that if you only press the brake lightly at a stop that it will not activate. Hope you can confirm some of these things.

[@MrAlucard1964]

I traded my 21 Powerboost in on a 24 Tundra Platinum no regret doing it.

[@21divel]

If your power goes out, you might....

[@MrAlucard1964]

@@21divel fortunately I have a whole house gas generator so I’m good.

[@chadvon5833]

I agree with Mr.Sobh that the new Tundra could have better fuel mileage and gate access. Better ride, power and speed sounds like a big plus. Through all the features and gadgets, I just something other than a POS that wont fail on me. Thats what i count on most from Toyota

[@michaelsylvester7272]

Hi Tim, You sure did again. Great review on both trucks. My thoughts are Toyota missed a lot and now looks like it's already outdated. The truck market is very hot choose wisely and test drive all you are interested in. For me I own my Tacoma for 13 years now I’m still concerned the quality will not be like used to be.

[@southernaccent]

I almost waited for the Tundra hoping it would have Propower, i do love Toyota quality, but no Propower equivalent would have been a deal breaker, glad I went ahead back in Sept and pulled the trigger on the Ford. Not crazy about the sound of the electric transmission fluid pump or the weak fuel door, but other wise, very happy

[@ES-mq9ox]

Weak fuel door?

[@scruffy4647]

I think your spot on for hard buttons on certain controls: fan speed, heat/cool. Muscle memory. I don't want to navigate through a touch screen to change certain things. No matter how you look at it, touch screens are disruptive for keeping your eyes on the road. Hopefully, you don't have to make that spit second decision while scrolling through all your screens to turn on the defroster.

[@frankdigregorio6055]

Hi Tim I`m a new subscriber. I`ve owned 2006,2007,20015,2017 Tundras. The last was a 4wd SR5. All were very solid trucks. Recently purchased a 2018 XLT sport with the Coyote. 2 reasons for the change. Much better gas mileage(5.7 vs 5.0) biggest factor I don`t have back aches anymore. Sport cloth seats are sooo comfortable!!!

[@sengx]

Of all the cons you listed of the tundra, the one that absolutely bothers me the most... is no tow hooks. Absolutely mind boggles me. I hope tundra realized they screwed up big time on that... all the other things you mentioned I think I could live with. Looks like I'll be keeping my old reliable 07 tundra for awhile...

[@Inspector694]

I would keep the old gen as well that is a actual truck.

[@lesterparker1594]

In this market, keep it until it just won’t go anymore

[@kentapley9315]

Well Toyota went to a 3.5 v6 twin turbo, like Ford, went to a 10 speed, like Ford. Just less horsepower and torque in Toyota. Of course New Tundra is unproven at this point. But I am sorry, the new Tundra is ugly, especially front end.

[@tv-ke4lx]

Ya, everyone copies ford They are true geniuses Ford makes a good solid truck if you want the same thing that every one of your neighbors drives Seriously, do you really think other companies are copying what four does? A TwinTurbo V6 in 10 speed transmission is nothing new and Ford is certainly not the innovator in that area

[@stevebalun9554]

@@tv-ke4lx a twin turbo V6 in a pickup truck was first done by Ford in the F-150 back in 2010. So yes, that was their innovation. Ford also was the first to develop a 10-speed transmission. Rams zf8 HP 8-speed transmission was second. Most others had five and six speed transmissions. Before you go say GM has a 10 speed, yes it was a joint venture, yet Ford developed and built majority of the components, GM was mostly a financial backer

[@christopherlehman4045]

Ford did all of the 10 speed gm designed a 9 speed transaxle for front and all wheel drive but ford didn’t like something about it so they made an 8 speed on their own. Also ford has the patent on the planetary gear arrangement to make the 10 speed auto.

[@hawk3331]

Another great video Tim ! After listening to likes and dislikes anyone would be better off with the Tundra. Build quality etc should be the number one thing when buying any vehicle.

[@blazenamber9176]

Well done review, agree on all points. I am a current Tundra owner. Every negative is 100% right. But the two big ones are the front tow hooks missing and that useless bumber design. May be a deal breaker to me when I start looking for a new truck. Shout out from Newfoundland Canada 🇨🇦

[@co457]

tow hooks should be standard on any TRD Off Road package point blank period

[@tewksburydriver8624]

Great review. I could not agree more that Toyota does some things extremely well, and other things leave you shaking your head. My friend has a 2021 XLT F150 and that thing is loaded and rides and drives way better than the 2020 F150. He has the 2.7 and it feels better than my V8 Tundra. Also the lighting in the F150 is incredible. I have high hopes for the future of the Tundra but they still need to do more I believe.

[@tewksburydriver8624]

@@xk302a … yup, much more responsive. I love the 5.7, but being honest the 2021 F150 2.7 eco boost is the truck I would buy right now if I were looking. They all have their issues but Ford is currently offering the most for your money IMO.

[@bantizzle79]

I have the 2.7 Ecoboost and it's a great motor. Sport mode is a blast

[@tewksburydriver8624]

@@xk302a .. How so?

[@rubicondickweed]

The 2.7 will absolutely smoke the 5.7 in every way

[@alicepooper8562]

@@rubicondickweed word

[@maddogs1989]

I'm going to say this. When your talking power train what something feels like doesn't matter. I and most truck drivers could care less if it feels more powerful. The numbers are what matters not feeling.

[@berges104]

Used those front Tow Hooks 2 days ago to drag a Ford Edge out of traffic when a Friend failed to make the turn in snow and snapped her front passenger Tie Rod on a curb. Drive up behind her, hook up, pull her out. No silly 180 turn to get myself facing the correct direction.