I never would have guessed some of those scenes were miniature. These guys are artists, they bring the movie alive. they deserve more credit IMO.
@telboy1965 Жыл бұрын
These people are really the stars they are truly brilliant at what they do
@bradmullaerialphotography Жыл бұрын
Agreed. A matchbox f18 in the flying scene next to a miniature Air Force one. I watch the scene now and you still can’t tell. A true art that is lost these days
@budget-adventure Жыл бұрын
@@bricktimelapsebuilds after the film I knew the buildings were miniatures but I never knew the planes and enemy ships were
@purefoldnz30704 ай бұрын
just watched it again in 4k yesterday, the models are beautiful.
@JaceD4V1S884 ай бұрын
@@bricktimelapsebuilds thats why 80s and 90s were superior, dantes peak, galaxy quest, jurassic park, ghostbusters, honey i shrunk the kids, etc all used miniatures and it looks real, you literally cant tell theyre miniatures
@wildman20122 жыл бұрын
The effects still hold up today - amazing work!
@StoutProper2 жыл бұрын
Look better than cgi
@nursestoyland Жыл бұрын
@@StoutProperyeah!
@Bogeyatyour6YT Жыл бұрын
Those were exactly my thoughts, this is better than 95% of high budget movies that we see today because it is real and talented people who cared about details were part of it, more than outsourcing art and rushing the process (which is the real reason for CGI, not money). At the end, practical effects done right look better and cost less...and employ more people somehow. Weird, right?
@lcfflc3887 Жыл бұрын
today effects are all CGI garbage.
@quantumphaser2 жыл бұрын
Long live practical miniature fx. CGI will never replace what these guys can do.
@oresamakakoii Жыл бұрын
But making 3D models is basically the same, just digitally. If you ever doing it you will know , but if you never doing it you won't.
@Braindeadlobotomite Жыл бұрын
@@oresamakakoii it may be similar, but it still looks worse than a tangible model
@peterthx Жыл бұрын
@@Braindeadlobotomite Most CG these days is hidden. You'd never know a building's been added or a car (or buses) or people or whatnot. I'm not talking your superhero or sci-fi epic either. Just normal, mundane life on the street where the street was a studio backlot that had to be expanded digitally.
@liamlefebvre586911 ай бұрын
@@peterthx CG artists are like plastic surgeons, if your work is noticeable then you probably did something really wrong.
@benbunch41595 ай бұрын
I mean, there is some really impressive great looking CGI in this movie that is called out in this video…
@grimmer20059 ай бұрын
Well... This kinda explains why this movie from 1996, still looks better than most movies today.
@kotchapakmaneechote20625 ай бұрын
1996*
@JimmyMcGuirt2 ай бұрын
July 3, 1996
@grimmer20052 ай бұрын
@@kotchapakmaneechote2062 corrected 😄
@HighwayLand2 жыл бұрын
A movie I have seen hundreds of times and yet I never realized how many miniature effects were used in it. I was that 17 year old who watched it on day 1, and I must have watched it a good 10 times in theaters alone. I still watch it every July 3rd.
@4Everlast2 жыл бұрын
No CGI will ever compare to a small scale model.
@VictoryAviation Жыл бұрын
I saw it in theaters when it came out. I think I was 14 at the time. It’s definitely a 4th of July tradition, and then I end up watching it a few more times throughout the year! We were gifted this movie. It’s damned near flawless.
@leonleon2276 Жыл бұрын
That’s the point. If you worked it out then that means the movie would have been trash.
@billjamison28772 жыл бұрын
Fantastic craftsmanship! The amount of work that went into this to make Independence Day is mind boggling. GREAT JOB ALL!
@Crazyuncle13 ай бұрын
The talented people behind the camera are the real magic of Hollywood. Great writers and actors are rare.
@afterlife_gl28182 жыл бұрын
And it was really something when the movie came out, because they showed us something that we really haven't seen before on movies. The miniatures looked so real when I saw the movie and I think I was only 10 at the time, and it blew my mind - the effects are noticeable now, but still, the movie looks great. And respect to all the craftsmen in the movie.
@HighwayLand2 жыл бұрын
I was 17, and I loved everything about it.
@afterlife_gl2818 Жыл бұрын
@@HighwayLand I really miss those kind of effects nowadays; I'm not saying that visual effects are bad these days, but growing up where visual effects were at the nasciment at that time, miniature made a huge impact on my love to movies, of course visual effects as well. I think I spent more time watching the making of's and behind the scenes of the movies and this channel revived my interest in watching making of's once again.
@lemondemerveilleuxdechrist65152 жыл бұрын
Golden era of movie model ! Such a great work !
@garyc39552 жыл бұрын
You will not find a finer gentlemen then Mike Joyce, an amazingly talented effects specialist and kindest person their is!!
@guksack2 жыл бұрын
Perfect blend of models with CGI I thought. Wish it was still more like this era.
@lcfflc3887 Жыл бұрын
it's better than full CGI, more realistic.
@davidw55322 жыл бұрын
This work looked amazing on the big screen back in ‘96. Saw the film five times at the cinema that summer at age 16. Great memories!!
@olentangy742 жыл бұрын
I remember the super bowl trailer for this film and was blown away by it and I couldn’t wait for the film to premiere. I wasn’t disappointed. Seeing it on the big screen was amazing. I saw it again recently and it still holds up today. IMHO ID4 is one of the great sci fi films to be made.
@c123bthunderpig2 жыл бұрын
You just had 1,000's of plastic modelers faint all over the world to know you could build that many models with great detail in such a short time, crazy fun summer flick, Thanks for the memories.
@tsarbomba12 жыл бұрын
When you're good... you're good.
@JohnJ469 Жыл бұрын
It probably helps not to have the rivet counters looking over your shoulder.
@KumaBean Жыл бұрын
I watched another of these videos just before this one, about the Titanic movie, where the modeller said that the built a 12ft scale model has f the Titanic in only nine days. They obviously had a large, skilled and dedicated team to pull it off, but it still boggles the middle mind, 👌 🤝
@KumaBean Жыл бұрын
(Sorry about the jibberish, fat thumbs and a disobedient phone, lol)
@c123bthunderpig Жыл бұрын
@@KumaBean OMG, 12 FEET, in 9 days, I can't imagine the skill set in that. It seems that the 1990's was just starting to improve CGI and still had to build a lot of models. The way plastic kit models are increasing in scale, like 1/16,1/24 and 1 / 32. We may soon have kits that big :-) Cheers and Happy Holidays
@Angelo_Nicolson4 ай бұрын
Back in the golden era of special effects. These hold up way better that pure CGI.
@yemx4683 Жыл бұрын
Exactly why older movies will always be better especially ones that were very attention to detail! Independents Day still is a great movie and the all of the work to make it real still holds strong today!
@HumanHamCube2 жыл бұрын
I'm in vfx (on a few Emmerich productions) and this channel let's me fall in love with the work on a daily basis. 🙌
@piercefilm2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@frankgonzalez9662 жыл бұрын
How can I get into the business what do I have to do?
@chrisw443 Жыл бұрын
@@frankgonzalez966 honestly, probably just ask people in the business, most folks are very nice to people who wanna learn. There are so many ways in.
@HumanHamCube Жыл бұрын
@Frank Gonzalez it's difficult takes a lot of commitment and personal sacrifice. The work and yourself can be pretty intertwined. It was worth it for me. I will always encourage anyone to enter this field! And know the toll it can take.
@HumanHamCube Жыл бұрын
@Frank Gonzalez companies are always looking for good junior artists. If you are fresh in this, you can be flexible. An eagerness to learn on the spot is a big plus. Dont have to be the best but be a good junior and be willing to work in different ways different places with different people. Openess and communication is really key. You can specialize or be a generalist. Focus took me a while but that's essential.
@patsquach4080 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for putting this out there …. Kudos to ALL the people behind the scenes who helped make things happen …
@musoseven8218 Жыл бұрын
Awesome dedication - I've made models for 50 years and I can't imagine the amount of work and time that these guys put in (very often only to be blown up!) Kudos!✌️👍😊
@manfromanywhere2 жыл бұрын
Those would have been the bog standard Hasegawa 1/32 Hornets then. Always wanted to know. Nice to spot the venerable 1/72 Italeri C-130 and the 1/72 Heller E-3 Sentry awacs. Funny; I got two 1/72 C-130 hanging behind my workbench as well - indeed like fish!
@stephenkissane42682 жыл бұрын
It's amazing, the blu Ray never had an effects segmant like this. The models are beautiful and look real . I thought after the abyss and jurassic Park there was alot of cgi
@Jedi-Deni2 жыл бұрын
Oh the memories! I devoured every bit of behind the scenes info when this movie came out. I liked it as a good popcorn flick, but LOVED the miniatures and fx work. So much so I remember driving about 30 miles to the nearest Wal-Mart to buy it on VHS on release day bc that was the only place open at midnight, lol. I took a lot of ribbing for doing tgat, but I didn't care, seeing the Special FX again and again were worth it to me. Brilliant work! :)
@SolidMikeP2 жыл бұрын
I love these videos so DAMN much, thanks!
@piercefilm2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@redstrat1234 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely amazing. Those models looked amazing in the film
@grahamehadden4320 Жыл бұрын
Some amazing interviews. Your giving an insight into the industry that rarely gets seen.
@piercefilm Жыл бұрын
Thanks! It's been a fun project. Now I'm leaving it here on KZbin for the education and inspiration of future filmmakers.
@EgetFox Жыл бұрын
Great job. They never cease to admire the work of people who create miniatures and other pre-computer special effects. - Великолепная работа. Не перестают восхищаться работой людей, создающих миниатюры и прочие докомпьютерные спецэффекты.
@Kosackk2 жыл бұрын
One of my favorite movies as a kid, i used to pop the movie in a VHS-player when i felt like it, good times!
@Netbug2 жыл бұрын
Really appreciate the longer talks, thanks!
@pixelforge48582 жыл бұрын
very cool. rare pics of the mothership shown in here 5:12
@gieselats2 жыл бұрын
Still so interesting to listen to you guys. I love your work. Thanks for sharing your stories and your hints and winks behind the scene. Keep up the good work.
@frankrobyn-fuhrmeister77742 жыл бұрын
In Germany they told Emmerich was praised for using miniatures and toys and saving a lot of money to the studio. They acted as if Emmerich invented using miniatures.
@spaceflightengr Жыл бұрын
Ah, for the days of pre-slap good Will Smith scifi movies…. ID4 is, on many levels such a fun and well made genre film. Thanks for the look at the miniature work!
@blacktronpavel Жыл бұрын
Awesome. Practical effects are so much better. You can tell the love that went into this movie... Unlike its sequel.
@TheBonsaiZone2 жыл бұрын
Wow, this was awesome, I'll have to watch the movie again!
@mattharris86222 жыл бұрын
Amazing work! Amazing artists!
@philliphartman23812 жыл бұрын
Independence Day was the last great practical effects movie.
@Holtenstein3 ай бұрын
Love that move. IT made that summer great!
@GigaBrand2 жыл бұрын
Been waiting to see the film on this channel. Absolutely stunning work I had no idea how they pulled those shots off!
@mattgaming87172 жыл бұрын
Mind blowing I still cant tell with most of the work. Well done man.
@Electronzap Жыл бұрын
Much better than CGI.
@sittingstill35782 жыл бұрын
I wonder how the popular miniature makers on KZbin compare to those in the film industry. When I watch _Studson Studio_ or _Boiley Hobbies_ their skills are amazing but when I see the scale and productivity of the makers on these movies I wonder how much more is possible.
@lear60man2 жыл бұрын
I worked at a place that was in the licensed prop replica business and we got a ton of molds from ID4. Everything from mailboxes, to cars, to radios.....molds of everything from the destruction scenes. We only produced the alien fighters and I painted up some of the large F-18's to hang over our booth at Comicon 1994? Thanks for doing this video.
@encinobalboa Жыл бұрын
Analog special effects is so much better than CGI.
@FPilotBierce2 жыл бұрын
The Lindberg scale model company was one of the merchandisers of Independence Day, and they were selling kits of the alien and the Attacker ship and the Hornet and Stearman biplane and one of their selling points was "our kits were used by the effects department". Had no way of knowing how true that was but I guess it got confirmed now! Oprah Winfrey did a program on movie special effects and Independence Day's effects were featured.
@TheRubberStudiosASMR2 жыл бұрын
I am amazed at how much of this is miniature
@kensmith2839 Жыл бұрын
I was stationed at MCAS El Toro from Feb 73 to late June 76. Nice to hear that the movie scenes were actually in Montana.
@PolLight30002 жыл бұрын
When Independence Day came out they showed how they created those tons if flying Hornets and alien ships on the computer just by 'copy and paste'. But they never showed all the real model stuff like you get to see it here... By the way, I first became aware of miniature construction for films when an article about Roland Emmerich's "Moon 44" appeared in a german cinema magazine back then. There it was explicitly shown how the models were built and how certain scenes in the film were shot with them. The flight scenes in the moon valleys in particular were created differently than one might think. I found that extremely interesting, I was absolutely fascinated - I was still a teenager and had just started the modeling hobby. It's a pity that I accidentally saw this booklet at my brother's, I would have loved to keep it (this booklet is long lost today...).
@Nordlicht05 Жыл бұрын
Animation was hot shit than. Maybe same with all things that getting a certain age there are people that say this garbage interests nobody and throw things away. The interest than comes back.
@PolLight3000 Жыл бұрын
@@Nordlicht05 Das ist wohl wahr!
@waverly24683 ай бұрын
I had a magazine about "Goldeneye" and how they did the effects in that Bond movie. When the jet crashes into the radar station, that was miniature work. Derek Meddings said if you can do everything "in camera" that saves a lot of money.
@CSltz2 жыл бұрын
No wonder it’s called movie magic. I thought that they might have been some of those radio controlled jets that are out there. Your eye for detail is amazing. I saw a movie a long time ago.Where the landing gear was sappose to come down on a airliner. They used stock footage from a B-52.
@lepterfirefall2 жыл бұрын
Outstanding effects....
@DuaneTanTC2 жыл бұрын
there's something about movie out of a miniature set that is so much realistic than how a realistic life-like CGi movie can be...
@silkcustoms520 Жыл бұрын
Mad Skills. Raw talent
@jasonamigo023 Жыл бұрын
As one who builds model fighter jets as a hobby...working on this would have been a dream. Haha
@THR33STEP Жыл бұрын
WTF!!!!!! I thought that was all CGI!!!!! Mind literally blown away!!!!!!!
@luisgordillo16958 ай бұрын
This Movie Had everything from A to Z as far as Special effects and Movie Class.. Jets, helicopters ,Dog fights , Plane crashes , Fights, explosions ,gun fire, aliens, nuclear Bombs, earthquakes, fireworks , military, Spaceships, Area 51, Conspiracies , Astronauts, demolition, world wide scenery, cities ,oceans, deserts, Desert people, a Love story and almost all types of story's, Man I can think of a lot more 😱😱😱😱😱😱🤘🤘 they even said Tamale in this Bitch 😁😁
@joelesher71063 ай бұрын
I had a high school friend who played a role in this movie. It was a shock the first time I saw the movie because I didn't know he was in it (8 or 9 yrs after high school). It was pretty cool to see.
@oresamakakoii Жыл бұрын
Making miniatures , or scale models is really fun .
@PplsChampion2 жыл бұрын
love these videos
@JoshuaC923 Жыл бұрын
No wonder it looked so good
@jasonpomare5639 Жыл бұрын
You guys are amazing model builders , I didn't even know they were model aircraft in the movie.
@davidf22812 жыл бұрын
Great episode!
@ajb6952 жыл бұрын
Had NO IDEA the tarmac scene with all the Tomcats and Hornets was a miniature. We watch the movie once a year, every year on July 4th, so, between all that and the number of times I went to the theater, I have seen this movie A LOT. No idea...
@rickytoddbotelho95552 жыл бұрын
Absolutely fantastic, amazing pooptube channel. One of the best 👌 👍
@HULLGRAFFITI2 жыл бұрын
Wow...Spooky ,I only watched this for the first time in years a few days ago...Great popcorn movie I remember seeing it in cinema..
@johnosbourn4312 Жыл бұрын
This was very interesting.
@cesarriquelme94872 жыл бұрын
independence day is biurifore movie is My favorite and the miniature efects exelent vvorks congratulations guys tanks you very much okay bye bye 👍💝👌💯👑💝🇦🇷💝💝💝🇺🇸💝😂😁😀😇😷🙏🆗
@railerswim Жыл бұрын
Practical and funny at the same time. Ironic how that kind of inguinity helps make a film timeless while Hollywood today is abusing vfx and cgi instead of using them to help elevate their films.
@allgood6760 Жыл бұрын
Awesome!
@Parawingdelta2 Жыл бұрын
Amazing talent to build these things and then create the desired effect. It must be a bit frustrating when they go to all the trouble to build an exact replica of the White House just to see it blown to bits.
@ashman1872 жыл бұрын
Welcome to Earth!
@applejacks9712 жыл бұрын
"I coulda been at a bbq...and what's that smell!?!?!?"
@DynamteKid316 Жыл бұрын
Earned a sub.+like! Love it!
@Candyguy8283 Жыл бұрын
🥺❤ the models are so cute
@LieorDie24 Жыл бұрын
Me too i always thought the flight scenes wher all real lol okay on Top Gun i knew they use scale planes for some scenes its impressive how many scenes are still made with models and the viewer thinks they use real planes
@MikeJamesMedia2 жыл бұрын
Brilliant! :)
@87yugo743 ай бұрын
good job
@billbombshiggy9254 Жыл бұрын
THATS why these effects still hold up almost thirty years later. They look very real. And it's pathetic how bad CGI is now.
@4Everlast2 жыл бұрын
Going from this to full CGI is Emmerich's biggest mistake. Besides his scripts tho.
@FranciscoSilva-bv9qq6 ай бұрын
4:23 I had NO idea that was in camera! all this time I thought it was just stock footage they had sourced somewhere but the fact that an f15 and a f14 flying in formation always caught my attention. would the navy and Air Force split up escort duties?
@GABRIEL10303 ай бұрын
magic!
@richardjohnholdenra34923 ай бұрын
I used to fly on the AWACs back in the 80s
@janbaukespoelstra6839 Жыл бұрын
The magic of film😂!
@jubadjennadleconquerant80673 ай бұрын
Better then CGI
@MarK-x9y4 ай бұрын
I actually thought that the some of the air craft scenes were shots of real jets!
@davidellis5135 Жыл бұрын
In the movie 13 days about the Cuban missiles crises, they exploded a radio control model of a U2 spy plane , with the sound and visual effects added, it looks dead real .
@piercefilm Жыл бұрын
Done by Grant Mccune Design. Those were great miniatures. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hqXJlYCAoJWHmtk
@chichiboypumpi4 ай бұрын
I will still use practial effects and miniatures, minimal use of cgi vfx.
@Sska292 ай бұрын
The problem is studios used cgi to completely push miniature effects out of the industry. Studio movies don't do miniature effects and in-camers special effects anymore. Haven't done in 20 years atleast. Maybe one niche director here and there, maybe some cartoon channels with one show that relies on stop motion, and maybe a few speciality movies. If studios used both miniature sfx and cgi together to do the best job possible then people wouldn't call out and hate on cgi workers so much. This stuff is what engineering is about honestly. Building prototypes and testing them. It's delicate work. But everyone in industry just wants to sit in front of a computer and get the product out as cheaply as possible.
@model101t8002 жыл бұрын
Is that the ROJ X-wing fighter that is now at the propstore ?
@piercefilm2 жыл бұрын
X-wing?
@model101t8002 жыл бұрын
@@piercefilm from 1.20 on you see a X-wing in the back ground, I wondered if that is the one of ROJ kzbin.info/www/bejne/gXqwpqaMnpp6nM0
@model101t8002 жыл бұрын
Correction, Epp IV X-wing
@piercefilm2 жыл бұрын
@@model101t800 It's a kit. Not a filming miniature.
@model101t8002 жыл бұрын
@@piercefilm yeah I know now, someone of starshipbuilder pointed it out for me aswell, thanks for the feedback, love your channel sir
@uncledavesfrontier6846 Жыл бұрын
Real movie makers!
@1183tn Жыл бұрын
The irony is now that CGI is the main go to when it comes to movie magic, they completely forgot to work on plots and story line. Independents day will always be a classic...
@YouOnlyIiveTwice4 ай бұрын
I wonder if that pattern you see at 9:50 on the alien spaceship is an Easter egg reference to the Millennium Falcon
@captlazer55092 жыл бұрын
The miniature work was the stars of ID4. No offence Jeff Goldblum.
@SlartiMarvinbartfast2 жыл бұрын
Excellent visuals, terrible script, but a fun popcorn movie (thanks to the excellent visual f/x).
@rhuttrho882 жыл бұрын
Will Smith is coming to slap you!😤
@mr.manfredjensenjen72942 жыл бұрын
Indiana Jones 5 looks mostly CGI. I think they over use it. I don’t know if they’re too lazy or what but I don’t like these mostly CGI action scenes. I really enjoyed the visuals of this movie!
@Annatar0 Жыл бұрын
How did they add all the detail on the city destroyer ships?. You can see some of the detail at 9:16 and I doubt they sculpting in all that tiny detail by hand.
@piercefilm Жыл бұрын
layers of etched brass and castings of sculpted parts
@Annatar0 Жыл бұрын
@@piercefilm yeah...when I googled around it seems that they designed layers of detail that can be seen on the space ships in a computer and then laser printed it onto brass. It would explain the very fine detail on the smaller scale ships like the city destroyer I refrenced there. I would imagine they started with a big overall pattern as the first layer and then added to it with more layers with finer and finer detail very similar to sacred geometry patterns.
@tamass66122 жыл бұрын
Yeeeee🙂👍👍👍
@jasonmanongtong39042 жыл бұрын
nice movie
@ArantiusVulpes4 ай бұрын
they should have included the tomcats doing more
@cherchezlesoir71663 ай бұрын
Artists!!! not just computer
@chrislj2890 Жыл бұрын
It seems like only yesterday that this movie came out. With everything being CGI these days are all of these talented type of people out of work?
@piercefilm Жыл бұрын
Unfortunately, many are. But some directors like Wes Anderson and Tarantino and Christopher Nolan still like to use miniatures in their films. Get ready for Asteroid City coming up in June. Lots of model work in that!
@ellbowski Жыл бұрын
Amazing model work! Better than CGI even now- dumb film though.
@441rider Жыл бұрын
Adobe photoshop filmstrip plug in was around in 90s any video can be altered in micro detail.
@piercefilm Жыл бұрын
Yes, but most of us didn't have home computers back in 1995. At least not good ones with expensive software...
@441rider Жыл бұрын
@@piercefilm The function was there but RAM on the video cards made the process useless till much later like photo resolution LOL!. Amiga's video toasters were still worse than Star Wars etc. Great channel you have, worked a lot of sets here in Vancouver back then nothing like ID.