Internal Micrometer from Banggood review and a few other tools...

[@outsidescrewball]

as you know I also do these Banggood reviews, not an easy discussion to compare quality vs price as everybody has their threshold and bias....would I buy them after your review NO, if I had to measure and did not have a tool...would I want them...YES as you had shown you can use them to measure within certain limits....good review and discussion

[@pierresgarage2687]

Hi Chuck, You're well placed to know that all trading sites have some great deals but also their share of crappy items and deals, we can help people make choices by picking good items out, also when getting the lesser made items we can point out the weak points... The last decision if he purchases or not, comes to the consumer himself, we can only do our very best to evaluate something with an objective mind... For people with very limited budget, sometimes a lower quality tool will at least allow that person to go by for a while, as long as they know the limitations. Cheers, Pierre

[@zephyrold2478]

I second that, nice review Pierre.

[@Xynudu]

Good review. I found it to be more accurate than using a basic vernier for inside measurement, but the main issue I have is that it can move off zero if you twist the jaws on the thimble. I always need to check the zero against my external mike as I don't trust the included disc uniformity either. You really need to double check the readings it gives out because of all the reasons stated. Cheers Rob

[@pierresgarage2687]

Verniers aren't very accurate on the internal measurements, lots of times the external jaws aren't manufactures right and don't start at Zero as the external jaws do... ( If you get what I mean...) Good idea to double check with the micrometer... ;) This is a video I made quite some time ago: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jKLYmZ-Gl651sM0

[@ScottandTera]

loved the review.. I have a question. do they make outside reamers. i know about inside reamers for making hole but what about making a precision pin. what i am getting at is could you tighten the jaws up on a piece if key stock and machine the jaws true parallel?

[@pierresgarage2687]

That could be done with a lapping tube or something similar, the jaws are made with carbide, they're pretty hard, they would require diamond or something that hard to get this done... Not having much time to get involved in that lately, maybe one day...!!!

[@AmateurRedneckWorkshop]

That was a very good review. Many people might not have looked that close and would never know why they were always the wrong size. Hey Pierre when are you going to cast some more ingots? I noticed that I am getting low on aluminum.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Hi Harold, The reserve of ingots is safely stashed away from pickers, here we don't have a second amendment, but, we're wise guys to make up for it... lol

[@SteveSummers]

I never had much luck with the china "precision" tools. I must say the grinding vice I got from them was as good as I could measure tho. Very surprised. Love the microscope viewer. Ill pick one of those up. Well done review Pierre. Thanks for sharing

[@pierresgarage2687]

You're right about "precision tools" we got to be picky to get the better ones, in most cases it would only take a little more time and care to get a decent product, guess if we keep on telling them, with time we'll get better products... For a price it's an ok little microscope, better ones are will be quite more expensive... Great for the type of work we do in the shop... ;) Cheers, Pierre

[@sierraspecialtyauto7049]

Interesting review, Pierre. I made my living for 20 years working with holes, so I have B & S Intrimiks and Mitutoyo Holtests from 0.250" to 4". As you say, no substitute for quality. But I think I need one of those microscopes. Looks to be a great deal!

[@pierresgarage2687]

Yes, there the difference is obvious, a better quality tool is always a winner, Though, the price is sometimes a real turn off... lol That little microscope is fun for a close view, many occasion of use in a machine shop, this one is quite all right for the price... Cheers, Pierre

[@TheMiniMachineShop]

I tried a $70 inside mic and returned it. Way to sloppy so I stick with using my gage pin sets. Gets me close enough for my work. At least some where under .001 depending on the hole and pin tolerance. Good video!

[@pierresgarage2687]

No mater the price, a tool should at least do what it's made to perform, if not, we don't need an extra useless item in the shop... Ever tried small hole gauges... You need a little practice but they're quite accurate in some experienced hands... ;) Cheers, Pierre

[@TheMiniMachineShop]

Have a cheap telescoping set I had refined to make them usable but will start looking at small bore gages now. Seems affordable on Ebay. Good idea.... Dave

[@pierresgarage2687]

Maybe you seen that previous video released quite a while ago, if not, here is the link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pGXEemSZd7h1haM

[@ChrisB257]

I guess the thing is all down to very low cost compared to quality items but, maybe considering that they could serve for low tolerance work within the limitations. Someone else mentioned - why put a low budget device in a smart wooden box! Thanks for a useful review Pierre. I have found my small microscope quite handy. Love your set of ''real'' ID gauges.

[@pierresgarage2687]

To get one of those Real ID micrometers you got to exchange lots of body parts after an arm and a leg... ;) Their wood isn't anything near mahogany or maple, it's more like luan or less, even there the box counts for 40% of the price of the tool... lol The less quality tools may allow some low budget hobbyist or basement guy to get started and not steel in the meal budget for the family. Cheers, Pierre

[@SouthernEngineering]

I'm spending the winter rehabbing my shop and starting to order equipment and tools, your reviews they will definitely save me time and money, BIG THANKS! Happy New Year Pierre. P.s. if you want to follow along I'm on Instagram for sneak peeks on the shop rehab and other stuff

[@pierresgarage2687]

If you need prime quality tool, this is not for you, it could have been a decent tool if the jaws wre ground right, though... I will have a peek, but I'm never on social medias, (No Twiter, FaceBeark, Instagram, etc...) too time consuming for me... From all of us, Happy New Year and best wishes for health and happiness, Pierre

[@pierresgarage2687]

Had a quick look at your Instagram, nice clean shop, and, above all, beautifull family... !!!

[@SouthernEngineering]

Hey, thanks Pierre for taking the time, I do appreciate it. The Christmas gift from my girls is to clean and organize my shop 😰, My plan this year is to make my shop fully functional and much less cluttered so I can do some serious fabrication. I am neither a machinist or welder so I depend on channels like yours for the tips and tricks of the trades to make this work, and for that I am grateful. YT has been a great place to meet and interact with like minds and I understand why you do it so, here's to you and a great New Year, Cheers. LaterWalt

[@minproceng1218]

To Pierre, Phillipe and Robert, and all the rest of the community, have a Happy and Prosperous New Year!

[@stanwooddave9758]

Happy New Year Pierre. Some of us here in the USA are wondering when you & AvE are going to battle via Canadian Russian Roulette. For those who may not know what is Canadian Russian Roulette, it is when two people say Pierre & AvE go on to a frozen pond / lake, approx. knee high (waist high preferred) and bring along their trusty 10 LB's (4.535923kg) sledge hammer's. Each person takes a swing @ the ice next to their opponent trying to sink them, for a very cold bath. Needless to say the last man standing ABOVE THE ICE is the winner. Can't wait. ;>)

[@pierresgarage2687]

Last time we played that was in an arena, got sued for dammages to the refregiration system... lol Not sure AVE would loose some time playing this if he still wants kidds, hard on the nuts in deeper waters... ;) Not sure AVE remembers I exist... Better like that, mostly if I got to endup with my "Dick in the ice"... lol

[@bcbloc02]

Carts are easier to move wheel side down!! I would love to have a 0-6" set of Intrimiks, sadly I am not that rich!! lol

[@pierresgarage2687]

That had to travel sideways in the car, better when it comes to curves in the road... ;) Those holeset micrometers are beast when measuring smaller bores like under 1", for bigger bores a dial bore gauge or telescopic gauges do a great jod, all those tools need some cautious handling and experience to get accurate and repeat measurements... Until we all get rich... lol

[@JourneymanRandy]

Thanks Pierre

[@pierresgarage2687]

Thank you for comment, Pierre

[@GRBtutorials]

"Very exact translation" Actually, that's completely exact, because 1 inch is *defined* as exactly 25.4 mm. In fact, all imperial units are defined with respect to SI units. As a mental rule of thumb, though, I use 25 mm per inch, which is easier to compute mentally. In fact, 25 = 100 / 4, so I can simply multiply by 100 and divide by 4 (or vice-versa).

[@pierresgarage2687]

This is quite my way to visualize metric when told the Imperial numbers, takes a while to get used to it but just like learning a second language, after a while it becomes second nature. Fractionnal Imperial is hell, easier with decimal system... ;)

[@weshowe51]

@@pierresgarage2687 Just to be clear, Metric is the official measurement system of the U.S. The United States was one of the original signatories of the original metric convention of 1875. However, unlike some other countries, it is optional here, and the takeup rate has been quite slow. I find most newer equipment was made in even metric units, and is easier to work in metric (versus conversion to inch thousandths). Old timers like myself may be the last holdouts... I like metric, and use it when it appears to be the system used when it was designed. Otherwise, I use fractional inches (as in 0.0156, not 1/64").

[@somebodyelse6673]

@@pierresgarage2687 - Fractions can just go back to whatever Hell they came from, good riddance.

[@marclamoureux431]

Un grand merci pour cette évaluation. Ça m'évitera de gaspiller mon argent!

[@pierresgarage2687]

En effet, j'étais pas mal désappointé des résultats, pas que j'avais besoin de l'outil, mais ça aurait été un bien meilleur achat pour un outil qui normalement coûte très cher... Merci pour le commentaire, Pierre

[@MaturePatriot]

Translation: A big thank you for this evaluation. It will save me from wasting my money! - I concur!

[@houseofbrokendobbsthings5537]

Thanks Pierre we have missed you and the other monkeys. Nice catch on this internal micrometer. Probably more than a few folks scratching their head trying to nail down a reading that will repeat. I will get one of those microscopes. You and Chuck B. have me jealous that I don’t have one. Glasses can only do so much. Thanks for doing the review - I respect your opinion as you back it up with facts. _Dan_

[@pierresgarage2687]

Hi Dan, I'm honored by your trust... Hope to keep up the good work and even improve as we go forward... There is a new scope on it's way, guess we'll see how much better it will be... To be continued... ;) Cheers, Pierre

[@florianf4257]

Hi Pierre, no wonder the Xiaomi-Wiha bits are well made, the bits itself are made by Wiha in germany, just the bit holder and box are "chinesium" ;)

[@pierresgarage2687]

This is the sort of quality we want to be able to get when we buy something, what ever is the source, paying a few dollars extra is always a good investment when it comes to quality....!!! ;) Even the aluminium case with the inner support are well made, solid and excellent fit...

[@ROBRENZ]

Enjoyed Pierre! ATB, Robin

[@pierresgarage2687]

Hi Robin, Always a pleasure to hear you came by, cheers, Pierre

[@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738]

Wow Pierre I thought only us around Elliot Lake area had to bare proof our tool boxes!!! From Elliot Lake Ontario Canada.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Tool boxes are quite an universal thing among boys, and, even some girls are quite into it... lol Cheers, Pierre BTW, are you getting snow up there while we're getting pails of rain around Montreal...???

[@tinkermouse-scottrussell3738]

@@pierresgarage2687 Approximately 12 to 14 inches, last year at this time was close to 2 feet I haven't done any hard water fishing yet I strained my back hoping to get out on the ice soon.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Geeeezzzz.....!!!! I hate Winter... lol

[@turningpoint6643]

If those inside mics had a decent enough and repeatable micrometer threads and nuts then RenzetiGotteswinterLiptonizing them might make them usable with some high precision grinding and lapping. I'd almost bet the internals might be even worse. I was hoping you would have run some O.D. micrometer measurements over there full measuring range to check that Pierre. Doubt I'll be swapping out my Mit internal mikes for a set of those anytime soon. It looked like a pretty fair and unbiased judgement call on them. An intermediate but still far higher price would be a set of Starrett tapered hole gauges. I'd be willing to bet those could equal or maybe better those 30 buck I.D. mikes. No good for short holes though.

[@infoanorexic]

that was my thinking as well, when he demonstrated the sprung points. But that seems like an awful lot of work for these ... well, maybe for one time, to prove/disprove the concept. If it shows that it can be done, and it's worth repeating for damaged higher quality tools.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Not the quality from best brands mostly due to their jaws not being well manufactured, surprisingly the inside works is muche better, enough that if someone would like to correct the jaws, this would make a half decent tool... Sometimes it doesn't take much to just make something decent, a little more care and quality control on the jaws and the tool is already way better, wondering why thy don't do it while the tool is in the proper jig, could be just a few more minutes to make the difference between a lousy tool and a great deal... I wouldn't mind pay $10 extra for the extra minutes and a precise tool...!!! By giving them feedback and letting them know we want better built tools, they'll be forced to improve...

[@turningpoint6643]

@@pierresgarage2687 Some years ago I bought a Sieg C6 sized lathe, exactly HOW it was machined and then ground so far out of alignment is something I honestly can't figure out. Fixing there "grinding" by milling proved that was well over 3 times more accurate than there grinding. I was given a couple of 4" and 6" digital calipers for a magazine subscription, against good gauge blocks they show up to .020" random variations in what they read. If there battery life was even half of what my Mits can do I'd probably try and fix them. As they are there worthless. I fully understand these inside mikes are built down to a price point, but if your going to build a knock off of the Mit's why not build to the price that the tool will function and read so it's at least semi usable. Your extra 10 bucks is peanuts if the tool could then do what it's meant to.Obviously there thinking and producing these cheap goods using different logic than the end user does. Trying to figure out that logic is well outside my understanding. Like diggerop mentioned it would take a fair amount of work and I think pretty good and expensive grinding equipment to properly remake those jaws. It's almost like they were ground first then heat treated with no further grinding after that to correct the part distortion. Either that or the parts warped far more than I'd expect after the final grinding. I guess they could be trusted enough for woodworking. :-)

[@pierresgarage2687]

My estimation is that the grinding wheel is worn in a taper fashion and they didn't bother changing it... :(

[@rfnoise]

Thanks for the review!

[@pierresgarage2687]

You're welcome... Cheers, Pierre

[@kendrickjadiel7664]

i guess I am pretty off topic but do anyone know of a good site to stream newly released tv shows online?

[@xanderbrock6229]

@Kendrick Jadiel Try flixzone. You can find it on google :)

[@MaturePatriot]

Grande revue avec des gros plans. En espérant 2019 apporte rien, mais de bonnes choses pour vous les gars dans le "Great White North "! Plus de bière, hein! (Translated by Microsoft Translater. I hope it is accurate. I do not want to start an International incident. LOL)

[@pierresgarage2687]

Google isn't so much bilingual...!!! lol Don't worry about the internationnal incident, we can interpret and encourage genuine efforts from good viewers... ;) Je vous souhaite aussi nos Meilleurs Voeux pour la Nouvelle Année, à vous ainsi qu'à tous les votres... Pierre

[@roeng1368]

I have given up on cheap chinese and indian tools, they are junk. You buy the good stuff once, look after it and it lasts for decades, or your lifetime.

[@pierresgarage2687]

I still got my fisrt Mitytoyo vernier and Combmike micrometer, from about 40 years ago, still in perfect working order, those cost about $200, this was lots of money that long ago... I'll get the cheaper Asian tool for crappier jobs or to close in during roughing cuts, always finish with the "Better" quality tool.

[@davidjames1007]

I unfortunately bought one of those, absolutely disgusting workmanship. It's in the bottom draw of my tool cabinet. Xmas is coming so I will be giving it to my worst enemy for a Xmas present.

[@zumbazumba1]

Wait a ,youtube review of bangood product that doesnt praise it high sky like its best on planet ???? How is it possible ???

[@pierresgarage2687]

Just as simple as that tool wasn't up to minimal standards, if it wasn't for the flawed jaws, this would have been a decent low budget tool, the internals were not perfect but real acceptable, they only needed maybe 5 more minutes to tweek the jaws and make a decent tool, wonder why they didn't...???

[@somebodyelse6673]

@@pierresgarage2687 - When something they supply gets a less-than-good review, do they ever actually ask the reviewer about it?

[@pierresgarage2687]

There is a rep that sends me the stuff, I bring him my comments and critics, the best way to keep a good relationship is to be constructive with the comments... ;)

[@zumbazumba1]

@@pierresgarage2687 I love machinist channels ,im subscriber to yours for a long time.BUT PLEASE DONT TURN INTO STEVE JORDAN -man turned his channel into bangood commercial.Recommendation is always good ,but i wanna see things being build,if i wanna see commercials i can always go watch tv. I am not against banggood /Ebay i bought some good tools there(like polishing paste,crimping pliers,automatic center punch ),some where bad,othere's were extremly bad like M14x1.25 Hss tap-made of mild steel,but correctly ground and sharp,1/2inch (12.7mm,good luck finding it in my country for affordable price)reamer that produces correct hole but handle is so badly ground and off center,tip is chopped of with a axe.You have to see it to believe it.

[@rdon53]

Pierre, I think with almost all Chinese made precision tools , they are not up to the standards of north American tools of bygone years, but tolerable for woodworking (consider changing your trade) , I kinda expect at least some Chinese Company's in the future to try and make top notch products, not sure about machinist trade.

[@pierresgarage2687]

Asian countries will produce "All" qualities, it's depends what we will pay and accept from them that makes the difference, the quality control from certain outlets is quite deficient since the request isn't for real quality... We need to ask for at least a decent standard, not just the lowest possible price with no regard to quality. One day we'll get what we want...!!!

[@somebodyelse6673]

@@pierresgarage2687 - They make what the customer checks for. If the customer has crappy quality control, or just doesn't want to pay for the time consuming precision, they get chinesium. If you pay them to make high quality *and you check to keep them honest* you get high quality.

[@brianwarburton4482]

I wonder why the cheap tool comes in a nice wooden box but the extremely expensive tool comes in a plastic box...... You would think it would be the other way round.

[@pierresgarage2687]

In Asia, wood is probably way cheaper than plastic, BTW, this wood is not exactly mahogany or maple, more like some type of luan...

[@zumbazumba1]

There is a company in EU called Kinex (nothing to do with china),they produce great stuff for affordable price .They exist for a very long time,i got their dial indicator stand from 1956. shop.kinexmeasuring.com/en Another high end company is swiss TESA -they make absolutely great things.Althou they are probably expensive but you get what you pay for. When it comes to precision stuff ,i would pay 50€ for a great quality micrometer from a known manufacturer that has been around for a long time then 30$ for a flimsy chinese one.(avoid chinese for precision things like a plague). Dont know how quality of mitutoyo is now when they moved to china ,but old stuff is great.Now its overpriced brand name ,there are other manufacturers that provide same quality for less price. Besides most of guys will buy micrometers once in a life so pay extra and make sure you buy it once only. As of 3 point micrometers they cost arm,leg and kidneys for a set ,but boy they are nice and easy to use.Bore gauge's are cheaper way to go and you can get decent accuracy if you combine it with good set of micrometers and get some practice.Unless you are working on space ship parts for NASA accuracy of 0.01mm is enough for hobby use -but then if you do have contract for NASA you aint gonna buy cheap 30$ chines micrometer wont you ? Put some other great company names in comments!!!

[@pierresgarage2687]

I've peeked at Kinex store, they seem to have good tools, some look like Mitutoyos with their brand on it at about the same prices than over here, shipping from Europe to America is very costly, that could stop the impulse of purchassing overseas. The internal high quality internal micrometer used in the video is made by TESA it's a series 531 tool, I think now TESA has merged with Brown and Sharpe, I've checked the later prices, those are closer to $1200 per micrometer, not what I remembered at around $500... Yeaks...!!! Most of the work executed by the viewers on the channel is well around 0.02mm or a thousand of an inch, some more experienced machinists will normally get 0.005mm and only the more experiences will constantly hit 0.002mm, lots of the lower budget tools will at least allow less fortunate hobbyist to get started without taking off the food from the family table. I'm quite like you, always looking for the "Better" tool. One good source for good tools is the second hand market, there are some great tools out there that wait to be passed on... Thanks for your comment, Pierre

[@zumbazumba1]

@@pierresgarage2687 Im a metric guy i live in Eu so we use mm ,very rarely i use inches usualy when i deal with NPT pipe fittings,or rarely bulldozer/excavator/ship parts. 1/100mm(0.01)is what most of shops in day work will consider accurate,what you can get with good/decent machines like lathe and milling machine.(When comes to 1/1000 even a lathe bed wear will throw you off.) Unless you are grinding something or have extremely accurate cnc machine you can forget about 1/1000(0.001) of a mm.For 99% of work made by hobby machinists /small shop owners that kind of accuracy is not necessary.Even shrink fit or ball bearings need 0.01-0.03mm of accuracy. As of kinex ,i worked in a shipyard we had tesa(wierd swiss space stuff,it was analog micrometer with counter built in) and their stuff ,nothing but a good word for it -Czech's always knew how to make good tools ,even during communism when they were Czechoslovakia they where always up to high standards. America-Eu shipping SUCKS. 7$ worthy thread gauge,that weights 200grams -25$ shipping -INSANE!!! I would love to buy american products ,but even on Ebay shipping just kills it. Same item in China 7$ item + chinese voodoo magic and shipping to a other end of world is included in price.No wonder China has biggest economy in the world. Told you leg and kidney's 10.000$ for set . Second hand market can be good for drill bits,taps and less accurate things i tend not to buy micrometers since they are delicate peace of equipment and you never know how people before treated it.In my country there are no big flea markets that have a lot of machinist equipment(less and less people in trade),usualy there is bunch of house supplys and shady chinese merchandise.There are adds in newspapers but i am not buying micrometer unless i can hold it and see accuracy by myself(i sometimes take ball bearing ,SKF are nice ones and check it ,if i see one on flea market).

[@stephenwagar2663]

Did I See You Kids Playing In The Street ? How Many Times Have I Told You The Dangers Of Playing In Traffic ! I Swear I'm Gonna Be In An Early Grave From Worry######### Oh I See It's Time For My Medicine....................

[@pierresgarage2687]

I have a daughter, when she was about 5 to 7 yo, she was always coming back home with some chewing gum, we asked "Whre did you get the gum...?" "My friend's Mom gave it to me..." she'd say... One day I was looking out the window.... Then, I saw that same daughter kneeling in the middle of the street, and, with her teeth, scraping an old piece of gum from the pavement....... Sigh...!!! That was her medecine... lol

[@DMain-tb8ye]

Of course a $30 instrument is not as good as a thousand or several hundred dollar instrument. Disappointed in this review.

[@pierresgarage2687]

This review was published to show that those tools aren't really a good deal even at a lower cost, with those you can only aproximate the results within a very wide tolerance. Good quality tools is and always gonna be a smarter choice... Thanks for your comment.... 🙂👍