REYNOR vs MAXPAX: Grand Final | EPT EU 237 (Bo5 ZvP) - StarCraft 2

Subscribe to PiG Casts! 🐷 Reynor (Zerg) faced off against MaxPax (Protoss) in the EPT EU 237 Grand Finals in this Best of 5 ZvP Pro StarCraft 2 Series
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[@scottbruce7423]

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[@Palpab1e]

49:32 is it common for pros to trap units with changelings like that? Reynor boxed in that immortal like it was just caught on To Catch a Predator.

[@PiGCasts]

only if you have 4000 horsepower hands like Reynor lol, that was an AWESOME move - wish I noticed it in the heat of the moment

[@TheSuperappelflap]

It was quite common in ZvZ in Heart of the Swarm, when every game would be either muta vs muta or roach vs roach, if it was roach vs roach, people would wall in with their evo chambers and roach warren at the front, and you could block their natural with a changeling or two, trapping all the roaches inside. Same in ZvP where you put a changeling in the natural wall of the Protoss to trap his robo units in his base.

[@ohmyonionpie]

"smacks him in the ventral sac" LMAOOOOO 53:00

[@JayParalyzed]

What a fantastic series from both players.

[@PashaSlavaUkraine]

You know what ? My shrimp is a prawn and I’ll be proud 🥲 of it. Thanks PiG. Your comments during the cast had me laughing 😂 your mad funny dude 😂

[@gagethornewell7497]

He used to be even funnier than he started to get all politically correct to further his career I guess. Still a good caster but he isn’t what he used to be. He kinda sold out. He’s still good but it’s a little sad.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@gagethornewell7497 KZbin would demonetize all his videos if he swore. He still does on twitch. Go watch his stream if you want that.

[@PhoenixCrown]

@@gagethornewell7497 I think there's a difference between politically correct and family friendly. PiG is such a knowledgeable caster, more so than any pro because he plays all 3 races, his incredible commentary will carry his content. I don't hear him speaking woke gibberish. He's still funny, even if he swears less.

[@PhoenixCrown]

The Aussies might have it here... I mean we Americans have a thing called "Jumbo Shrimp." That's an oxymoron =P

[@gagethornewell7497]

@@PhoenixCrown yeah maybe you are right. I guess im just upset, I miss the ol pig. Much more rowdy and inappropriate. Was hilarious thought that was the point of the name PIG. Just a dirty old pig. Oh well. I believe he used to do it just for fun more. I hate mass appeal, not sure if he caters to that nowadays. But id rather have originality than mass appeal any day. Still an amazing caster, but used to be just hilarious to watch his vids. Telling clem to wasteban it.

[@PhoenixCrown]

AWESOME matchup. MaxPax is so fun to watch, and Reynor clearly added studying his opponent to his always fantastic APM micro macro =)

[@INS1cells]

Remember if the Oracle goes back in already with 30 less hit points... nevermind 😂

[@TheCaptainDamage]

47:00 PiG: I shouldnt swear this offen man, there are children around. Also PiG 10 sec later: Damn Hydras are good😂

[@PiGCasts]

wait "damn" is considered a swear word?

[@just-some-menace6138]

@@PiGCasts In some parts of the world. I'm sure you've heard the synonym of swearing as "cursing". saying Damn is a curse in the literal sense as traditionally you're implying a "God Damn it" in there.

[@irrelevantfish1978]

Quick FYI: "ventral" refers to being on the lower, frontal, and/or belly area of something. Upgrading an Overlord's ventral sacs to make a Dropperlord makes sense. Smacking a dude in his ventral sac means punching him in the junk.

[@mattevans8090]

I'm going to use the shrimp/prawn logic with zerg units. zergling/flying zergling/big zergling/ranged zergling/ burrowed shooting zergling/ goopey zergling

[@BukovTervicz]

1:05:13 So satisfying

[@331Bdubs]

Great series, last game was wild and tragic

[@foxling]

What a game! Thanks PiG! Love your commenary ♥

[@liebe6997]

havent finished the last video yet but reynor and maxpax is a matchup i cant walk by!

[@liebe6997]

holy shitt what a 5th game!! friggin awesome!!

[@CasualGuidesRS3]

Felt good to see this result

[@madeinresitasometimeago3970]

Questions: 1. Can protos block second and third base with a pilon and the probe? Is it worth it? 2. Can zerg burrow 4 banelings in the forth base mineral line before fourth is done and clear an entire mineral line once the base is saturated?

[@PiGCasts]

1. - they can, not worth it, zerg can just build a macro hatch next to the natural base location whilst making lings to clear it and then add a 3rd hatchery on the correct location and they just get a macro hatch for free whilst toss build is very delayed. They also can just take their OTHER 3rd base option unless you block all 3 bases. 2. The banes are unlikely to clear the whole mineral line, could get scouted by observer etc. before they get a chance to be used. The real problem though is actually just opportunity cost - getting burrow and 4 banelings minutes ahead of time for the potential payoff just isn't a reliable bet. You'll only really see this move when the zerg already has burrow + banes in ZvT and does an attack and in the middle of it decides to leave a few behind in the mineral line, hoping the Terran doesn't notice in the chaos.

[@madeinresitasometimeago3970]

@@PiGCasts Thank you! 1. The initial idea is to block the zerg's economic scale growth with the natural and third location blocked. Maybe a nexus first opening could work. Would love to see protos players reconquering Aiur. 2. Watching Dark have learned that chaos and killer instinct can achieve great success. Burrow can be combined with roaches tunneling ability and hit all the three/four mineral lines. It could lead to a new type of game where prioritizing detection in every game vs zerg will become standard play.

[@jkkim6928]

Last game shows why Hero is Maxpax’s hero

[@WolfgangGaming-xq5rm]

Maxpax is so much cleaner than Hero is. His issue is that in a long series he doesn’t have as much variability and tends to get exposed strategically. Hero on the other hand is a loose cannon; the Dark of Protoss. Maxpax is closer to a Serral type Protoss.

[@jkkim6928]

@@WolfgangGaming-xq5rm chill. The joke referred to no wall off at the natural

[@jonghokim7857]

Wow incredible series

[@BukovTervicz]

Zerg balance state: stuck defending from behind all early game. But if you manage to survive, it balances out because... oh wait, you're ALSO unfavored in end game battles Brilliant balance!

[@calvyoel1515]

So, u can't stack lurkers in sc2?

[@PiGCasts]

nope

[@ComradeSulomon]

The most efficient macro is essentially doing greed then all-in then greed and so on.

[@Liveeruptsuj]

I wonder if BeastyQT pats himself on the back now and then when he checks up on how great MaxPax is these days. He should, I watched all those episodes where he was 2v2 ing with MaxPax and he consistently focused on advice and critique.

[@alviworld]

as an economist that has done the math, i always feel bad when my favorite players have one of their first 16 workers just going from one mineral to the other without mining. it is SO SO bad, we are talking about 10 to 25 second delay in the mid game if the worker bounces more than 5 times. seeing Maxpax microing his probes so he gets a 25 mineral boost is incredible, there is literally nothing better to do in the early game, we get some pros just spaming hotkets and camera locations but max is honoring his name maximizing his income. this generates a very big snowball efect, you could have your whoracle 4 or 5 seconds earlier, that is a lot, you kill 2 extra workers and at that level is already gg. oponent doesnt even know what he did wrong. well you didnt micro your first 16 units.

[@TheSuperappelflap]

most pro players do micro their starting workers though, its literally one of the first things you have to learn to do properly if you want to be good at the game.

[@alviworld]

@@TheSuperappelflap not even close to be true. i´ve seen gsl finals where one drone just bounces around like an idiot

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@alviworld yeah maybe if you ever played a gsl final you would be nervous too. but you wont.

[@Coldev-io]

MaxPax always good with his stasis traps

[@keithfinch1053]

Yeah Pig you legend... from South Africa 🇿🇦 Why do they call them prawns? Cause they look like prawns.

[@GianniCampanale]

that early drone micro should be a must to do for every pro

[@liebe6997]

i love the swearing! im sry =D u do it a charming way imo! =D

[@MetroidCannonBall]

Gg

[@alexisvelasco7543]

2nd Present!

[@TheSuperappelflap]

"New maps"? How old are these games? This map has been out for months.

[@PiGCasts]

This is from just a few days ago, it was up here within 48 hours of being played live. It's a 70 minute cast so I can't remember what part you're referencing throw a timestamp next time so I can give context/explain

[@TheSuperappelflap]

@@PiGCasts during the first map, you said it was a new map and the strategies hadn't been figured out yet or something. People figured out months ago that taking the gold base second as zerg isnt viable, especially agains maxpax. I'm pretty sure you casted several of those yourself.

[@MrAirstriek]

3rd reporting in

[@DestinationBarbarism]

Only females ever think of Edward Sizzyhands. Just sayin.

[@Asianhalfling]

one day zerg will get an early air harass.

[@MrChachSC2]

Dude they literally start with an air unit and send it straight across the map. As a Protoss I find it incredibly harassing.

[@nooonanoonung6237]

Just play Toss if you want it that bad =.=

[@kentoylampingasan]

Fiiifth!!!😊

[@mavis4299]

Holy crap I’m first

[@adminsaify]

Gg