The Alien and Predator Iceberg Explained

Whoever wins, we lose. Except that's not true because they're fictional creatures. Unless...
Background footage:
• Alien Isolation - All ... - Alien: Isolation (RabidRetrospectGames)
• Aliens: Colonial Marin... - Aliens: Colonial Marines (iampanax)
• Predator Concrete Jung... - Predator: Concrete Jungle (UPlayNetwork)
• Aliens vs Predator All... - Alien vs. Predator 2010 (Gamer's Little Playground)
More info:
screenrant.com/alien-5-joss-w... - article about Whedon's Alien 5
web.archive.org/web/200902160... - article about the Ripley Chronicles
vincentwardfilms.com/project/c... - blog about Vincent Ward's Alien 3
• Aliens: Colonial Marin... - What Happened? video on Aliens: Colonial Marines
• The Predator (2018) - ... - What Happened? video on The Predator
• Alien 3 - What Happened? - What Happened? video on Alien 3
www.vincenzo-natali.com/preda... - art for Vincenzo Natali's Predators
• ALIEN 5 - Cancelled Movie - Supervoid Cinema's video on Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5
• The Operation Aliens C... & • The Probably Mostly Tr... - videos on Operation Aliens
www.screengeek.net/2023/10/08... - article about Prey 2
www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movie... - article about the Alien 3 hive sequence
• White Hybrid Xenomorph... - Marvelous Videos' on the White Hybrids
• Video - Wreckage and Rage
www.denofgeek.com/games/cance... - article about Hadley's Hope
www.moddb.com/mods/templargfx... - how to fix Colonial Marines
• Aliens: Colonial Marin... - Original Colonial Marines gameplay
• Aliens: Colonial Marin... - unreleased Colonial Marines trailer
• Archie vs Predator (20... - Dannymalt's video on Archie vs Predator
legacy.aintitcool.com/node/22405 - James Cameron on AvP and Alien 5
bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3... & www.avpgalaxy.net/2018/11/28/... & www.predator4-movie.com/topic/... - concept art for The Predator
www.avpgalaxy.net/2023/07/31/... & www.avpgalaxy.net/2023/10/04/... & www.avpgalaxy.net/2023/10/04/... - info on Annihilation
collider.com/arnold-schwarzen... - article about Arnold and The Predator 2018
• [Cancelled] Aliens: Cr... - Crucible gameplay
web.archive.org/web/201910100... - article about Cosmic Hard Bowl
bloody-disgusting.com/movie/3... - article about the Peter Keyes deleted scene
/ 1239116458296213504 - Hadley's Hope design documents
• Mousey's Predator Obse... & • Mousey Loves The Predator - Ironmouse talking about her love for Predators
• Aliens: Colonial Marin... - Colonial Marines documentary
• Tarzan vs. Predator - ... - Marvelous Videos' video on the Tarzan crossover
• Story Of Eloise - Broo... - Marvelous Videos' video on Eloise
www.avpgalaxy.net/alien-movie... - concept art for Neill Blomkamp's Alien 5
• Alien: Blackout - Full... - Alien Blackout longplay
Music (in order)
• [SEGA Genesis Music] A... - Alien 3 (Genesis)
• [SEGA Genesis Music] P... - Predator 2 (Genesis)
• Alien vs Predator - SN... - AvP (SNES)
• Alien 3 - SNES Full So... - Alien 3 (SNES)
• Predator 2 (Game Gear ... - Predator 2 (Game Gear)
• Alien 3 (NES) Music / ... - Alien 3 (NES)
• Alien vs Predator - Th... - AvP: The Last of His Clan (Game Boy)
00:00 - Intro
01:32 - Tier I: Weyland-Yutani
47:06 - Commercial Break 1
47:43 - Tier II: Colonial Marines
01:35:35 - Commercial Break 2
01:36:11 - Tier III: OWLF
2:14:48 - Commercial Break 3
2:15:25 - Tier IV: Project Stargazer
2:53:58 - Outro

[@Pig3636]

Like an idiot I accidentally call 20th Century Fox, Warner Bros in the final entry. My bad. Also there's so many links to articles and videos in the description, I ran out of room. Here's the rest of the stuff I wanted to link kzbin.info/www/bejne/qX7NlYmeq9CmpZo - Alien Theory's video talking about the differences between Alien 3 and the Assembly Cut web.archive.org/web/20121116021457/www.ign.com/articles/2010/07/22/sdcc-10-rodriguez-confirms-predators-2 - Robert Rodriquez on Predators 2 www.nintendoworldreport.com/news/7210/aliens-vs-predator-on-the-gba - gba game announcement www.indiewire.com/features/general/ridley-scott-alien-artificial-intelligence-1201884993/ - Ridley Scott on Prometheus 3 www.thedailybeast.com/ridley-scott-on-the-martian-his-groundbreaking-1984-apple-commercial-and-prometheus-2 - Ridley Scott mentions Blomkamp's Alien script is done www.latimes.com/entertainment/movies/la-et-mn-the-predator-shane-black-steven-wilder-striegel-20180906-story.html and gizmodo.com/the-predator-director-shane-black-defends-hiring-a-regi-1828853155 - articles about Striegel

[@Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.0]

M y b a d

[@bullrun2772]

Lol 😂

[@diegolorente8435]

Can you do a twisted metal iceberg?

[@spongescience4411]

Sorry mate, have to tear it all down and start again after that grevious and unforgivable error.

[@EchoCt-bg3yi]

Your videos always get me through the day working my machining job lol

[@itzclassified]

Not to flex or anything but my Uncle is a Predator

[@angeljay6309]

I haven't laughed that hard in a while. thank you!❤😂

[@manfmalachi]

Not nearly enough likes on this comment.

[@Ashberryvillage10]

Im the 70th like but removed it to keep the 69.

[@oronthemoron]

youre a flex offender after that

[@fistimusmaximus6576]

"Turn around".

[@TomatoPastes]

My 9 hour shift just started, thank you pigpen

[@saturnianrings3920]

Great timing

[@nostreesnomess]

Always makes the shift better

[@foxpops804]

Good luck on your shift friend

[@Sejikan]

Mine Starts on Tuesday can't wait

[@Pig3636]

Godspeed soldier

[@siadmander]

Side note but a "Predator King" is an awesome idea for a counterpart to the Alien Queen. Would love to see that idea revisited

[@AustinFoss00]

I mean, you kinda get that with the many Predator Clan Leaders and Elders, as a counterpart to the many Alien Queens.

[@rowanwalter6306]

His name is EDP

[@jackpitman15]

I think like chief would be a better title since they seem like a tribe more than a monarchy

[@krazykuz13cmc]

There is an elder thats it. No kings.

[@Pig3636]

@@rowanwalter6306 Predator trying to abduct the kid in The Predator be like, “Well, I’m actually here for a cupcake.”

[@TheHaddonfieldRegistry]

Cameron went from "AvP is going to corrupt the legacy of Alien" to "Let's do 4 more Avatars" real quick lmao

[@AluminumFusion22]

I came back to say that you can thank Randy Pitchford for the disclaimer "not actual game footage" at the bottom of certain gameplay footage before a game releases. During Colonial Marines's development, Gearbox would showcase footage that Pitchford repeatedly claimed was in-game, but after the game was downgraded graphically at launch and it was discovered that the footage shown wasn't in the game itself, Gearbox was sued for false advertising and SEGA sued them for misuse of company funds, as the money was meant to be used exclusively for Colonial Marines, like Pigpen says.

[@WilliamGregg-rn5rv]

Thanks Randy. LOL.

[@blackheartmargo3429]

Terminator iceberg would make a really good follow up to this

[@sgarden9111]

Really neat video. Thanks for that. Quick correction: The Colonial Marines game isn't canon and never was. Randy Pitchford tricked some nerd from Kotaku into thinking it was just to hype the game and the guy ran with it, but it's not official lore even though a lot of people think it is and in fact want it to be. Mainline film canon isn't replaced by video games. At least not in Alien. But again, awesome video.

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Greasy Randy being greasy

[@mercaius]

"Disney pulled out because they believed it the attraction was far too scary for children." Are you serious? The horrifying monster lurking in the dark, drooling on you, breathing down your neck, was only a problem if it was a xenomorph?

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Not got to that part of the video yet But Disney thought the cosmic horror rape space monster would be ok for an children's attraction for a second ? Amazing

[@suad01]

They're happy to promote LGBT so..

[@TheHaddonfieldRegistry]

One thing I do have to add: Both Ridley Scott and Alan Dean Foster have stated that the point of David's story was not to depict him creating the Xenomorph. The point of the Prequels was to show Humanity's hubris is not exlusive to humanity. The Engineer's created the Xenomorphs, thousands of years ago. We know this is this the case, as we see the egg chamber and Spacejockey in Alien, and it's been there for centuries. David is said to have 'perfected' an 'organism' that the Engineer's feared. That organism wasn't the Deacon, it was the Xenomorph. David's creations are not Xenomorphs, but 'Perfect' Xenomorphs, or 'True' Xenomorphs. The entire point of that duology is that human's are looking for their creators while creating life themselves, only to find out our creator's don't care about us, they also made monsters, and we see in real time that even OUT creations can build monsters, (David building the New Xeno). Also, the Xeno mural isn't a mural of a Xeno at all, Scott has confirmed that was a Deacon. Scott and Foster have explained that the film was intentionally vague, as to leave the viewer in the dark on which came first, the Chicken or the Egg. We aren't meant to know where the Xenos come from, if they're explicitly made by the Engineers, or if they're David's creation. It's Scott's metaphor for the futility of searching for God, because God isn't knowable, and at the same time, he's all around us. But of course that went over fans heads, and Scott and Foster had to come out and say "Yeah, David just reverse engineered an existing Xeno species that the Engineers built a long time ago."

[@MAJR172]

I had no idea Wildlands removed the Pred tie in. Thus fills me with rage

[@D3AdMn]

It was so cool

[@AaronSmith0]

Yeah I got the game just after 😢

[@GiantSlayer-]

I can't believe you didn't mentioned Capcom Alien vs Predator.

[@PsychoCrusher46]

Based. I missed playing that game.

[@JackassJunior627]

Some of your points are explored more in the expanded media. Like Xenomorphs have been shown to express emotions. Warriors and drones have expressed grief when a Queen dies, a Queen was shown emotional distress when being forced to watch her young burn to death. Xenomorphs have shown signs of fear, anger and even personal revenge against certain individual enemies. They also express enjoyment when “toying” with their prey. Loved this video, but just thought to mention there is ALOT more explored in expanded media.

[@amosmoses5630]

A xenomorphs has the personality of a cat. The problem is we are the mouse.

[@mcinqb3]

I was going to reply with the fact about the Queen from Aliens telling the drones (or whatever they are called) to back off when Ripley showed her the flamethrower and it's abilities...and then her reaction to Ripley burning and blowing up the hive, she was in distress and you could tell....and then she came for Ripley and HER young. Kudos

[@MikeVonwolkenstein]

Just got reminded of The predator (2018) movie’s existence. Day ruined And entires like the last one, just adds more fuel to the fire of the train wreck that was The predator

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Watch prey to make your day better

[@God_gundam36]

To be fair making the alien queen thick is more in line with HRs vision

[@AC-hj9tv]

I need that Queenussy

[@topcat59]

You also forgot to mention that when Johnny and Jax are selected to fight one an the other and they have the predator skins they will reenact the you son of a bitch scene in game.🐱

[@notreallyalec]

I think it’s cool that the Predator race exists in Earth 616’s multiverse.

[@loganwithlightsabers3051]

Kinda similar to what DC is doing with the Godzilla vs Kong vs Justice League comic Monsterverse and DC aren’t the same universe but they’re just crossing over the original movie IPs they own with their comic universes

[@akinwalearobieke2964]

You NEED more subscribers. You are easily my favourite youtuber who covers icebergs. Your editing, the way you explain things and your voice. Thank you so much for your commitment to your channel!

[@damianhd6344]

I don’t know how this man doesn’t have 100k subs he works so hard for our enjoyment.Keep up the good work bro

[@SniperGabe96]

I look forward to hearing this guy talk about anything, especially while at work and I have already been on an Alien/Predator kick the past couple weeks so this is awesome thank you Pigpen

[@engineering9065]

I would kill to see the Attack on Titan iceberg from you. There are a few on youtube, but I think you're the only one who can do justice for this series

[@Pig3636]

I plan on doing one early next year, appreciate the support

[@kingappollyon]

Been playing Xeno in DBD and revisiting Hunting Grounds with friends again, so this is a perfect timing for this video

[@keijidash9646]

1:13:17 there is some evidence that Aliens intelligence can be influenced by their original hosts. The Aliens Fireteam Elite tie-in novel, “Infiltrator,” features an alien known as “Monica,” that took on some of the behaviors of its host. It had an affinity for the scientist, Hoenniker (for spoilery reasons I won’t go into,) and would crack its neck in the same way her namesake would.

[@littlebadassgaming]

You mean't. Try to kill him?

[@occam7382]

I think the biggest piece of evidence for Xenomorph intelligence is in Aliens, when the Queen sneaks aboard the dropship to get onto Sulaco, and then actively attempts to kill Bishop, Newt, and Ripley. Maybe I'm just reading into this too much, but to me, that is not the behavior of an animal acting purely on instinct. That is the behavior of a mother trying to avenge the deaths of her children.

[@a-rat-in-your-walls]

​@@occam7382 To add to the Alien Queen's behavior in that same movie; when Ripley first encounters it, the Queen is able to understand and comply with a threat. That's borderline sentient behavior.

[@katarinatibai8396]

​@occam7382 Chimpanzees, sibirian tigers, and crows go for revenge. Elephants do it, too, so animals have social traits beside instincts.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Hell yea, chimp justice 😎 🙊

[@Sirdilophosaurusthethird2.0]

This is a certified alien classic!

[@bullrun2772]

And predator classic

[@AC-hj9tv]

Nice

[@The_Local_Goose]

​@@bullrun2772and sometimes blade runner

[@alimations5226]

21:07 huh, this scene actually got brought back somewhat in Predator 2, I think that's neat.

[@m0istur]

Despite there being alien variants not being canon to the mainline series, what is canon is that similar to Venom and how you can venomize any character, you can alienfy many creatures

[@strikeiksp6629]

w pfp thats the one i used as a kid

[@nexrex3042]

I could have swore that Dutch(voiced by Arnold) mentioning the events of Predator(1987) in his audio logs from Predator Hunting Ground to have taken place in Val Verde

[@KuWota2k]

Yeah there's many more instances in the franchise where val verde is name dropped as the location the first film took place in.

[@Connor-qt3cw]

Couldn't tell you how happy I was to see that near 3hr mark! You did a great job covering the different comics, was a sweet walk down memory lane. Considering you seem to enjoy this franchise as much as me I'd personally recommend a iceberg covering the Terminator franchise. It's got lots of interesting comics, lore and I haven't seen anyone else make an iceberg for the franchise. I think it would make for an awesome video. Can't wait for the next one!!!

[@emilianovillarruelhernande343]

1:10:44 imagine if instead dying, hank of bb was just teleported to fight in the future against xenomorphs

[@AluminumFusion22]

I don't normally watch very many icebergs anymore, but yours are so interesting because you're very concise with your commentary but it's still entertaining to listen to. I tend to throw on an iceberg and go for a walk while you bombard me with trivia about topics I don't usually care about. Happy to be subscribed to you, and I hope you have a happy and safe Halloween! 🎃

[@pikakirby1119]

Honestly when most channels do iceberg videos I sometimes don't even watch them but i watch every iceberg you do your the king at it

[@farmerwhiting1250]

Just came across your channel and blown away by how great of a job you do! Will be singing your praises and spreading the good word!

[@carnage237]

Just wanna say I greatly appreciate the amount of work you put in your videos. I love listening to them when I'm doing chores around the house, or just playing some game that doesn't require you to hear much.

[@amezzeray2]

Thankyou algorithm for giving me new sleep content. Iceberg videos are the best for it

[@tomhilikus]

2:28:19 I went on this! I Completely forgot about it until this unlocked that memory. It had the Xenomorph in a tube which escaped, then you'd feel breathing on your neck and other sensory things like water vapour. this was '97 or '98 so I was about 10.

[@thegamersconclave8709]

It all makes sense if you take it that David was trying to re-create the creature that the Engineers were afraid of.

[@Chaydex]

Just to comment on whether Xenomorphs are sentient/sapient or intelligent. If I remember correctly it was mentioned in a comic which name totally espaces me right now that when someone was telepathically linked to the Xenomorph hive mind they could feel emotions, but it was basically just a sea of unhinderred rage and primal aggression without any capability to reason. Though technically it could be argued that Xenomorphs are capable of evolving so given enough time they could become intelligent or even sentient if the traits are deemed advantageous for their survival as a species but that's just speculation

[@229chedder1]

Thank you for the effort you put into these icebergs!!! I absolutely love obscure knowledge on any topic I like!!!

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

After watching for a while, I’ve noticed a consistent theme is awesome films/cuts of films/TV Shows/ games being cut in favor of worse products. We are in the bad timeline for the alien franchise.

[@wikikomoto]

wow. are we actually so far away from 80s pop culture that kids now don't know how to pronounce patrick swayze

[@habhdyst722]

Sadly, yes

[@AC-hj9tv]

Sways 😂😂😂

[@Graves-81_69]

I still liked Prometheus and Covenant, but I feel like their potential was wasted. Especially Prometheus. It was about questions no one asked.

[@jakespacepiratee3740]

I asked what the Xenomorphs were and where they came from, so somebody did ask them.

[@drob4812]

I was looking for something like this 2 weeks ago and finding nothing. You came in clutch with this, man 🔥

[@dougitoonsdesigns]

Superb series and you've touched so many salient points very well. Thank you

[@The_Local_Goose]

Was not expecting an aliens and predator iceberg from pigpen, I know pretty much all of this already because I am an aliens mega fan this will still be an awesome watch, thanks a lot pigpen, goose approved!

[@elkston]

49:42 - "also, they made the xenomorph queen thick ..." said so deadpan and matter-of-factly. ROFL...

[@puggodoggo7766]

I came here looking for the indepth lore for Alien vs predator and it turned out to be a giant batch of gaggle-goonery.... The fact you put this together even with all this mental turmoil I think you deserve a good nap.

[@Enigamis]

47:11 Oh an alien vs predator toy line I never heard of this growing up, weird I wonder why 47:16 ah...okay yeah that explains why.

[@CadillacEulogy]

Gi joe got done dirty 💀

[@EpicMegaman64]

I remember some official Alien timeline in one of the books mentioned “conflicting” in-universe reports about whether the alien in 3 was birthed from an ox or a dog. Maybe it’s been updated since, but at least as of a few years ago they were noncommittal about which cut of Alien 3 is canon.

[@bubblegumboyo4274]

Criminally underrated Channel. Best iceberg videos on varying topics to keep it fresh. And the transition videos are cool keep up the good work

[@harperfriesen9396]

I'm always so excited to see you upload! ❤

[@BRIANNA_00]

This is gonna be a good one. Love the videos man.

[@mountnstream]

Fitting how this iceberg came after the Cyberpunk one, since this one reminded me of Colonial Marines' launch controversy. With Cyberpunk 2077 being sued for false advertising, and becoming a prime example of it; I remember when Colonial Marines was the previous example for it, with its promising demo footage having people originally hyped.

[@Digital_Her0]

Gotta love putting these on while at work. Keeps the madness at bay.

[@nerfherder6638]

‘The Predator’ is maybe the worst film I’ve ever seen and is a disgrace to the franchise and I can’t believe that it would be considered cannon.

[@gorufi2]

Just finished the cyberpunk one and you posted this! Amazing work as always!! As for my favorite movie, I actually liked Alien 3 when i first saw it, granted I was a teenager but I really liked the setting and thought it had a good conclusion. Maybe if I watch it again I'll change my mind but who knows

[@cooking4cats67]

Working the night shift alone tonight, thanks for great content to keep me company!

[@flandrekagamine5296]

Thank you for making this❤

[@Thewisman]

The best KZbinr is back again

[@user-gm9up1ey6w]

have had a rough past few days and could really use a distraction right now, thank you pigpen

[@vivian2798]

You're actually the goat, your icebergs help me get to sleep so much better than anything else, it's honestly just so relaxing its like having facts beamed directly into my brain and it helps me focus on one thing instead of my mind wandering Also I'm a rare alien resurrection enjoyer, i love when the human alien said "its resurrecting time" and resurrected all over Ripley

[@theloquenderoz100]

Great video as always

[@OvertheHedge06]

56:24 The Predator and AVP films are set in the same canon but both are separate from Alien films since Scott's prequels show that Davis is the one who created the Xenomorph and that doesn't really fit well with Predators hunting Xenomorphs for 100s of years before Prometheus happened So unless time travel is introduced at some point, Blade Runner and Alien could still theoretically exist in the same universe

[@MojaveMoron]

So much for my sleeping pattern

[@dakotaroot_8816]

I have been searching for a very long lore/behind the scenes video for alien or predator to get stoned to, and you provided two in one! Cant wait to binge this

[@Dewydisco9]

I'm so sorry I missed this earlier, love you pigpen!!

[@thecinematicexperience420]

Great stuff man

[@aTomatoRider]

Ahhhhhhh, another video to fall asleep to. Keep up the good work, buddy!

[@Ravencast93]

Liked and subscribed. This video is the best, thank you.

[@loganleal2829]

Just finished ur cod iceberg good timing

[@kingramon437]

YESSSSS WAKE UP BABE NEW AVP CONTENT JUST CAME OUT fr though thanks this is a awesome topic, another good one may be hmmm DOOM and its mods and all that (columbine shooters, censorship, creepypasta, etc) that's the best i got but obviously you're better at finding good topics than me, keep it up man.

[@kapitankapital6580]

I always enjoyed the 4Kidz spin-off: "Kid Alien vs Child Predator"

[@michaelbertoline6190]

One of my favorite channels on YT

[@Maya_Ruinz]

Capcoms Aliens vs Predator brawler is easily my favorite AVP crossover.

[@printisdead1983]

And yes alien and blade runner do take place in the same universe, ever notice how the walls and ceiling in deckards apt looks like a chamber out of the nostromo alot ,mr scott also said so , i had some super special version of blade runner and he talks about it in some of the special featers

[@thespookymage6294]

Those Chinese posters for the 2018 Predator movie are awesome, somehow makes me wanna rewatch the movie again.

[@elsecaller-jacob8346]

You’re always getting me through work with these vids mate!💙

[@rundystudios8433]

He’s Back! Hell Ya!

[@electricfox9276]

We eatin good tonight! Thanks for another great iceberg Pigpen!

[@AC-hj9tv]

🥣 🍕 🍔 🥗

[@Enigamis]

Hey man just finished this video. I would consider a movie length video a Production. You had to look at this up, record ( multiple times) and then edited it all. As someone who has done 5 minute videos, this takes a heck of lot of time. So well done sir I hope you are feeling better.

[@JasonOrtiz-ye1do]

How could predator possibly stand up to Wolverine? Predator would be cut to pieces.

[@voidaspects9173]

If i remember correctly, the Alien/Predator universe is canon to predator, but not Alien, right? Like... Alien is definitively its own thing, but also the Alien stuff is canon to predator, but not vice versa? That was how it was explained to me a while back

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Exactly Alien has their own continuity and Predator has it's own wich includes AVP Alien doesn't includes AVP

[@occam7382]

I'll be honest, the only films in either franchise I consider canon are the first 2 in each, because after that, sh*t just goes off the rails.

[@zeuspatterson]

They should do a predator vs terminator

[@sunsolaris]

I'm surprised to see this in my subscription notifications but alas I'm very, very happy as a die hard fan of Alien and Predator :D

[@lightningmonky7674]

I love these videos man! I've always been an alien fanboy over predator, although did really like predator 1 and prey, also alien covenant is super underrated and it's sad how many people it seems didn't fuck with it

[@alexanderramirez3136]

At this point, I'll watch anything you make! You're so good at this idgaf about Aliens or Predator but you make it so fun to learn about! You can even make an iceberg about TREES and I'll still watch it! Keep up the good work.

[@obiwanshinobi87]

Scateboarding and breakdancing Predators??? I kind of want to see that :D

[@sethgreen9008]

Great episode Pigpen, there is also now an in game appearance and reference of the Predator in Cyberpunk 2077 Phantom Liberty newest update 2.02.

[@AC-hj9tv]

Whoa

[@dairydregone7146]

Nice. Just have both franchises together

[@AustinFoss00]

It's a shame AvP: R was so bland. It had the coolest Predator (Wolf) in the entire franchise and the only time we see a Predalien on film. But the movie was full of issues. The human characters were laughably lame and I'm pretty sure everyone I know who has seen it has the same complaint. It's WAY too dark Also, Should be noted that the Predator that Dutch lost a fight to was the Cleopatra Predator that is also featured in the Hunting Grounds game. Oh my God. . . There's an absolutely AWFUL alternate reality where they got Steven Seagal as Harrigan instead of Danny Glover Honestly, good On Fincher for not just letting Fox push him around and actually pushing back and being an annoyance to them. If you can't change the movie for the better like you want, at least piss off the people ruining it

[@wifine1951]

They need to do something with Predator. The lore is too good

[@plaguedoctorjamespainshe6009]

Prey released like last year

[@custardgannet4836]

Awesome man, thanks 🙏

[@m0istur]

Itbh, i wouldnt blame disney for shutting down the idea of a horror attraction based on the alien franchise. That sounds like something you would see at a Universal theme park

[@finncorbett5742]

this vids gonna get me through this double bro 🙏

[@JimMcCray]

Was thinking about the Alien getting its arm ripped off in the novel, when You in fact mentioned it! While I still question whether this is not simply a "list of things that exist", rather than an actual "Iceberg", that one bit you mentioned has left me, regardless, a satisfied consumer.

[@JimMcCray]

To be clear, my understanding of the iceberg concept is that it should be a number of facts interlinking in a way that did deeper and deeper into stranger and stranger associations. Here I see a lot of things mentioned that have no interesting ties to anything else, it connections which are mostly lateral and don't continue to branch out or drill down deeper. If I've misunderstood the iceberg concept, please correct me as I'm absolutely not an expert. That's just the impression I got from the few videos of that type which I've seen

[@migurt2151]

i love the avp universe a lot :) it was my childhood and watching it still getting some recognition i love it :)))))

[@rasplez9889]

I don't blame Arnie for refusing so may roles after many movies and scripts tried to pawn him off as sequel bait.

[@chrisr__]

I'm gonna be "that guy" but Alien: Resurrection WAS my favorite for a long time. I've seen the original two so many times I find myself watching Prometheus/Covenant more often now.

[@Dhampyre_]

An iceberg on two of my favourite horror franchises growing up? This is gonna be epic boys

[@OfficiallyMaidenless]

I don't know how educated people could consider them as separate franchises, does the name Weyland-Yutani mean nothing to them??