Why Space Marines are NOT Transhuman HYPOCRITES

[@PilgrimsPass]

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[@lutajucientropija6643]

Hey Pilgrim I was wondering what do you think about North Korea as they are technically a country lead by a military class over seen by a monarch

[@PilgrimsPass]

@@lutajucientropija6643 Interesting question. I'd say they don't have enough compassion. And I prefer a focus on the aristocracy like the early american republic or the Holy Roman Empire which were not despotic and were decentralized states with autonomous regions. I also think checks and balances are important. So When I defend a focus on service and sacrifice in the elite and that they bleed in their own wars its in an attempt to limit wars and add another check in the system in an attempt to try and improve the quality of people that gain authority over others. The idea being that only those willing to die for their people should have power over their people and I don't see kim jung un sacrificing a juicy steak for his people, much less his own life. I hope that answers your question.

[@billyholland5156]

If its okay, i would like to use Hyper-Humanism for my own alternate history story I'm writing.

[@bryanmcclure2220]

​@@PilgrimsPasswhat is name of video at the end?

[@chthulu27]

​@@PilgrimsPass, I wouldn't trust Yuval Noah Harari as far as I could throw a neutron star. He seems very interested in technologies like this, which I call a slave factory, but that's just me: kzbin.info/www/bejne/hWO1eqmAZrpqiKcsi=LcWaBXW1mgTuvIXt

[@TechNinjaSigma]

Virgin Tech Priest: "NO! You're supposed to replace your weak biological parts, not improve them!" Chad Magos Biologist: "No Machine can compare to the Greatness of the Human Body!"

[@thefanciesttortoise557]

Iron hands have left the chat

[@techpriest6962]

The greatest machine merges the adaptability of flesh and the strength of steel.

[@libertyprime1614]

@@techpriest6962 Nanomachines son

[@theTOASTYsupreme]

The funny thing is, Ferrus Manus believed that becoming a machine was a crutch or a weakness rather than a benefit to mankind

[@maxthepaladin2147]

From the moment I understood the beauty of my flesh, it amazed me. I craved the honest strength and universal adaptability of bone and muscle. I aspired to the purity of the Blessed Body. You cling to your metal, as though it will not rust and fail you. One day the crude box of bolts you call improvement will wither, and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved, for the Flesh is immortal...Even in death I serve the Emperor.

[@THExRISER]

I thought I was a transhumanist this whole time, I guess I'm a hyperhumanist then. We should not aspire to reject or replace our humanity, but rather celebrate it, and build upon it. For the Emperor.

[@bellphorusnknight]

i'm a be honest with you, student of the magi biologis, does man need a third testicle? i know there is estrogen in the water but i just want bigger pp to impress the Misses

[@THExRISER]

@@bellphorusnknight Ugh fine, I guess you can settle for a loner shaft, though I assure you, the misses would've enjoyed fondling your triple testicles.

[@Dasistrite]

We are ultrahumanists! For the god of man!

[@javilo2797]

you just a commie

[@imperialhistati2348]

However space marines often forsake their humanity because of these enhanced features over others…

[@thatdude_93]

This has made me realize that transhumanism is basically materialist gnosticism. There really are no new heresies, they just appear in different clothing...Maybe you could make a video on other gnostic trends today and throughout history at some point.

[@renren47618]

The whole concept of Virtual Reality lowkey makes Gnosticism into a real thing You're trapped in an illusory reality where fake gods(the people who own this metaverse) rule and you start believing that it is reality.

[@mmyr8ado.360]

There's actually one currently happening right now before our very eyes, and they always go festive every sixth month.

[@b.melakail]

Christopher Ruocchio has a similar idea in his Sci fi series, Suneater

[@jean-luclorusso]

Would be interesting to hear him talk about gnosticism with Tik

[@jackp492]

@@mmyr8ado.360sixth of the month?

[@xenophon5354]

You should delve into some Imperial Knights lore, where the communion between the knight pilot and the machine spirit actually makes the pilot more noble and more chivalrous over time. The psyche’s of previous pilots are imprinted into the machine and it seems like the machine itself slowly fills the pilot’s head with noblesse oblige and chivalry propaganda. Pretty rad.

[@rileyernst9086]

Or madness if its a mechanicus model knight!

[@JWHHobbs]

If you haven't Pilgrim; read Sigismund: The Eternal Crusader. Everything about humanity, oaths, and the battle against the inhuman is there, it's a truly great book that recently came out.

[@PilgrimsPass]

thank you. Hopefully I remember hehe. But I have heard of that before.

[@jamespaguip5913]

⁠@@PilgrimsPass Gurkha military is the toughest military because one Gurkha soldier with a knife killed 30 taliban terrorists armed with rifles.

[@BoatmayneThaUnsinkable]

I got the signed limited edition hardback and still have yet to actually read it lmao

[@Asterion_Mol0c]

​@@jamespaguip5913 one marine division in one battle against the Chinese during the korean war had on average 150 kills to each name

[@cmaslan]

​@@PilgrimsPasswhell i checked the transhumanist subredits thalking about your video and... ... They all think it's still transhumanist... ... But i think it's fine becouse hyperhumanism can be considered humanist(non anti-humanist) transhumanism.

[@hattoripool1533]

I love watching videos where people talk about Space Marines. They are honestly my favorite sci fi fictional super soldiers

[@boggeddown778]

Black templars are best.

[@carsandsports123]

​@@boggeddown7782nd best behind Blood Angels

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@boggeddown778 Hello, fellow son of Dorn.

[@boggeddown778]

@@mrbigglezworth42 the God-Emperor protects.

[@tio_john]

@@boggeddown778 nah Salamanders

[@zachlong5427]

Fine! I will fight you on the Brotherhood of Steel! -They're actually too hidebound--so hidebound and unchanging, they retconned an entire chapter/video game out of existence--to adapt to the later weirdness of the fallout world. -Do they share anything with 'common humans'? -Why do they have a stupid amount of guns, and only guns, but seem uninterested in GECKs or similar terraforming tech? TWO Fallout (3?) games focus on some hick vault-dweller finding one or similar, why the hell can't the Brotherhood devote the same and more?! ('Because then Fallout wouldn't be a wacky wasteland if the Bros. of Steel did that', shut up!)

[@yetipotato8567]

True. As far as I know the brotherhood only has a military order but no support structures or civilian side. If they really wanted to change the postapocalyptic society they should set up a town/vault/bunkertown where to put people who they save. Town with agriculure, hydrophonics, factories that scrap unusable things and produce new. The powerarmored minigun machine only works as long as the armor has power, minigun has ammo, powerfist has punch left and the knight is not succumbing to old age.

[@dodolord6298]

The truth is that the brotherhood of steel might seem like Fallout's take on space marines (most likely inspired heavily by it in later installments of the franchise) but they are in fact the furthest thing away from them. The brotherhood members may love to go on and on about their speeches regarding themselves as humanity's last hope or them being the ones truly pushing back against its enemies in Fallout 4 but in reality they are just a bunch of self-centered isolationist pricks who will gladly kill anyone they deem even vaguely inconvinient and have no issue forcing communities to surrender their resources to them not unlike regular bandits would, except they'd use their "righteous" cause to pretend their cruelty is justified. Space marines on the other hand might come off as cruel and spiteful of regular humans as weaker beings most of the time but by all means they fight FOR humanity and will never hesitate to defend it from anything, even other humans. They're not perfect by any means and they are not beyond getting corrupted themselves, but when an Astartes says he fights for humanity, he means it. So in short, the brotherhood uses their code as an excuse to be selfish jerks who only ever fight when its convenient for them, the space marines use theirs as a motivation to strive for greatness and honor humanity in its purest form.

[@duncanharrell5009]

Yeah. Always bugged me Fallout never shows anything akin to feudalism or the city-state just either scavengers or tribes.

[@dodolord6298]

@@duncanharrell5009 The issue lies mainly in Todd Howard himself or at least Bethesda's line of thinking for Fallout. In previous interviews he stated how he never wanted the fallout world to move past the tribal/scavenger era so even if we get a new fallout game in the future I doubt we'll get to see anything better than junkyard towns or ragged and dingy settlements built in pre-war ruins.

[@duncanharrell5009]

@@dodolord6298 You serious? Where'd he say that? Not saying you're lying, just, FFS Todd...

[@jonashartman3059]

It's pretty awesome to have this break down on Space Marine's, they usually get dumbed down into "super soldiers who think themselves above regular squishy humans". So this was nice to see. Also, next Lord of the Rings video when? I'm so excited for more videos there!

[@BrBetim]

That is true depending on the chapter. For instance, the Iron Hands really do think that.

[@jonashartman3059]

@@BrBetim That’s very true, and we definitely shouldn’t use 40k as a template. 😆😆 But the idea of bringing people up genetically, maybe even trying to go back to what we were in the beginning of history, is an intriguing one.

[@jonashartman3059]

All-in-all, I will always be for bring back the focus on tradition in daily life. To live in a world where everything goes, and natural laws are ignored is not great; and as a history nerd, seeing the effect that traditions, both good and bad, have had on us as a species leads me to greatly prefer it. Plus, I really want an excuse to carry swords around, even though they aren't technologically viable.

[@VVabsa]

​@@jonashartman3059Try a balaeric sling, thank me later.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

@@BrBetim The Iron Hands decided they wanted to out emo the Night Lords when their primarch died and assumed that all emotion was a weakness and embraced the cold calculus of the machine.

[@rabblerouser5559]

There’s a fine line between increasing human achievement, and eugenics. Pray we are on the right side of that line.

[@carsandsports123]

I feel like we are on the wrong side of a lot of things this decade so I'm a Lil pessimistic

[@Synodalian]

From the standpoint of superhumanism though, I can't understand how that _doesn't_ inevitably lead to eugenics down the line. Idealizing _one_ form of humanity means precisely that we exclude all others, all those we would deem _lesser._

[@tau-5794]

40k somewhat prevents this by keeping the space marines and (most of) the custodes out of governing and administrative roles, so the ubermensch race is exclusively present in military matters, where they excel. Though this also somewhat falls apart with the presence of abhumans and mutants, who very much are treated as lesser.

[@Coid]

@@Synodalian That might be one of those problems where improving our understanding of ourselves will help us address it.

[@theloweffortchannel7211]

@@Synodalian The goal is cladeization. Essentially, technologically assisted speciation.

[@reviewspiteras]

What really is the thing that concerns me is the fact that IRL the more we advance in technology the more we made it like a black box; its not easy to learn how to mantain it. Like is much harder to fix a car from Tesla than a Ford from 2010s. In this way what stops the few that enhance humans to make you dependent to fix your problems. For example a bionic arm is cool but what will I do if it stops being able to hold something and now I am at the mercy of a factory; this is the health crisis in steroids

[@BeachandHills-hb2pq]

Hi I think you have spotted one of the problems technologically is getting harder to maintain. Black box technology often can’t be repaired but replaced. The components often can’t be made by you. Old vintage cars can be repaired by an amateur mechanic and engineer. Black box needs that factory to make it. Second problem is that bionic arm is not you. You chopped off your arm. A trch that made your arm better but not replaced it is what we want.

[@Coid]

Right to Repair is more and more relevant and more and more important by the day. But yeah, corporate greed and man's inhumanity to man are huge problems in so many ways.

[@Coid]

To be fair, the first victims would surely be people whose lost limbs were not sacrificed to the altar of technology but instead those who lost them to injury, accident, disease, and war. Because man's inhumanity to man always goes after the vulnerable first.@@BeachandHills-hb2pq

[@aldopro23rex]

@reviewspiteras Hey you made a great point, although I think the issue is not with the technology itself but with the way we approach informations regarding the technology. As someone pointed out, it would be a much more manageable problem if we has actual right to repair and open source mainstream products!

[@darthjekyll3648]

That's the point of the stc

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

15:00 Okay. The Ewoks defeating the Empire suddenly makes much more sense🤣🤣

[@secondarytrollaccount]

My only problem with the space marine games is how clunky and hulking they make these guys seem. The astartes project running/moving animations were so peak it put hair on my peaches. Space marine walking and sprinting animations make titus look like a terminator or death guard. Its not that hes slow when sprinting he just looks like a hulking behemoth that looks slow af. The astartes project sprints made their limbs look like an irl human sprinting while titus sprinting looks like the terminators from death of hope going full speed.

[@arionofotherworld]

That bugged me in the original Space Marine game, the movements really did feel like a guy in heavy armour. As unfairly disliked as Eternal Crusade was, that game got their movements feeling more correctly fluid.

[@jarlwilliam9932]

I mean the dudes are anywhere from 7 to 9 feet tall and weight nearly a ton. Realistically even with the superhuman capabilities of a space marine, the actual space marine game would be what they look and sound like. That much weight isn’t moving so softly that you can barely hear it scrape a rock sometimes which is what you find in the William King Space Wolf novels. Even a fan animation which is shown in this video of the imperial fists marching has them moving like that.

[@arionofotherworld]

I agree that they should sound heavy like the Imperial Fists marching, because they are, but they shouldn't move as though the armour is hindering their running in Space marine, because Power armour doesn't hinder them in the lore. Terminator armour on the other hand, does.

[@xx_amongus_xx6987]

I mean in Space Marine 2 Titus runs and does things pretty fast

[@secondarytrollaccount]

@@jarlwilliam9932 not talking anything about the sound but when physically moving they could update the animations they got these primaris looking like death guard terminators hulking across the battlefield. Death of hope and the astartes project got the sprint animations to a 10/10. They look like normal humans sprinting not rhino's lumbering in the morning after first waking up.

[@lechanoine9372]

I dare say, it's been quite an episode of serendipity. This video comes out just as I have been pondering for a few weeks the tension that can exist between tradition and technology, how to avoid both ossifying stasis the obvious modern situation of technology running roughshod over humanity. Pilgrim, you've offered me some interesting points to ponder. Especially as I too am a Catholic.

[@johnwong4952]

But what about the Custodes? Wouldn't they be the more idealize form of man? Cause it is hinted in the lore that the Space marines were mostly weapons, a upgrade to the Thunder warriors. The custodes are not space marines but are the Emperor's best friends, hand crafted by him. They are trained not only in combat but in philosophy, art and politics etc. They are smarter and stronger than space marines and incorruptible.. Wouldn't they be the ideal of humanity rather than the space marines?

[@MB1999uk]

I think the trouble with the Custodes is that they were kinda just a detail in the lore until fairly recently. They popped up in the odd book, but they weren’t part of the game, didn’t have any stories centred on them and weren’t a faction, so they’ve been overlooked in the universe’s themes. It was the same with Imperial Knights. Now that GW has a new approach of throwing everything and the kitchen sink into the tabletop game, and factions are multiplying faster than gretchin, we’ll see what the fluff does with Custodes

[@billyherrington5112]

Yes. They would be better example

[@tau-5794]

They also do not deviate from the human form as much, their proportions are more similar to a human's, and they actually don't have extra organs, just the ones they do have are enhanced to an insane degree. Astartes have two hearts, custodes have one but it does the work of five and can take a stab wound and keep working at 90%.

[@johnwong4952]

@@tau-5794 Exactly. I believe that the custodes would've been the ones to inherit/run the Imperium if Big E was successful with his Webway project. Powerful and utterly loyal individuals to guide the imperium as well as protect it.

[@MB1999uk]

There's also a lot of extremely grimdark rumours about the Custodes -- and the primarchs -- that kinda prevents them being used as examples of pure humanity. Where did they come from? What did Big E actually do? Is there horrifying warp magic involved? Can they reproduce? Astartes might be full of extra organs, but they're a known, technological quantity.@@tau-5794

[@theentmarch]

It's nice to see a continuation of the space marine topic, it's becoming a full-fledged series.

[@EMIBwahahalalalallalahahahahha]

I feel like Astartes are “ascended humans” modified to be easily made and made for conquest(not necessarily war)

[@yetipotato8567]

Especially with the primarks I belive that different astartes legions had a intended purpose. Others just war and war preparation (scouting, hit and run, offence, defense, siege...) but some had a clear more civilian use (administration, upkeeping law, secret police, working with mechanicus, working with webway and other psychic stuff). How there might have been a glorious empire of man where near immortal astartes are sprincled in all around to many parts of life to do the heavy lifting and be shining examples of peak humanity.

[@mrfawkes9110]

Your diction has grown amazingly over the last couple of years. You've always had great things to say and you have gotten a LOT better at getting it across, I'm glad to see you've found your voice.

[@ThreadBareHope1234]

5:30 This whole segment about worship and aspiration really speaks too me. I read this quote once that says "Your focus determines you're reality", echoing the Bible's "what ever is pure, dwell on these things" verse. Going a little off topic, I think Pilgrim mentioned this can apply to the Jedi as well, and I agree. Lucas understood philosophy and people more than people give him credit for. Intentional or not, the fact that living things are an extension of the Force, so jedi serve the Force jedi serving the force by serving and helping people. In my opinion the reason the force lives in everything parallels "we are made in gods image" and "passivity is living in harmony with the Dao" is bcoz we serve a greater good by respecting and loving others. They care about the lives of those they don't even know. This is why online fanbases frustrate me. Having high expectations for oneself, the fact that mistakes *don't* make one's morals ambiguous, and caring about people you don't know personally is lost on the fan base. There isn't a way to make these notions palatable anymore.

[@alexfrost2799]

This video helps highlight why I think Space Marines are the ultimate superhuman in literally every sense: physical, psychological, and spiritual. They are closer to superhuman than Spartans since they share many of the imperfections of the human condition, while many people argue that Spartans, especially IIs, lack a lot of basic humanity, being closer to machines and, thus, separate from humanity instead of an extension. All of what makes us closer to human as we know is enhanced by what Space Marines are shaped into, strengths and flaws included.

[@aphex1500]

I'd argue against this, you say Spartan 2's act more like machines, but I believe Astartes are much the same. Astartes are given an objective, and they will aim to complete that objective no matter what. Civilians in the way? Children and innocents in need of help just a little off to the side? Astartes don't care, they have an objective and they will complete it, nothing else matters. The only exception I am aware of are the Salamanders chapter, who have all the good attributes of any other Space Marine chapter, but unlike them all, the Salamanders actually have compassion for the "lesser" humans.

[@alexfrost2799]

@@aphex1500 yet how is that different than the wide variety of humans that exist now? You will frequently see humans on the news that have a similar philosophy making the headlines, thus proving my point. Spartans are only a single archetype of removed human nature, while Space Marines make up a wider variety. Space Marines are very objective oriented because they know an entire operation hinges on their success. But you also disregard Space Marines like Ultramarines, Raven Guard, Lamenters, Blood Angels, and Space Wolves, who all care about humans to varying degrees. It's clear your understanding of the many kinds of Space Marines is extremely limited, because their moods and methods are as varied as any human. It is the Spartans that are funneled into stereotypes, thus being limited instead of an extension of humanity

[@jarlwilliam9932]

@@aphex1500Yeah no, we’re told multiple times through multiple books and media platforms that the astartes do care about innocents. They simply are there to do their jobs and complete the objective, because completing the objective will ultimately save more lives, and in the few instances where they are unable to achieve victory and save the people of the imperium, then they are racked with guilt and remorse. While some chapters do not care, the big named ones actually for the most part do. Space Wolves, Salamanders, Ultramarines, hell even the Blood Ravens in DoW care about the civilians.

[@billyherrington5112]

That would be custodes

[@raixuh]

​@@aphex1500salamenders and if I am not mistaken blood angels are chapters that help civilians in dostress as well 🦉

[@Cassandra112]

There IS still a human first approach for the tech priests. there have been other A.I. and machine first rebellions and offshoots, which get purged.

[@donaghb7307]

19:35 I can tell you plenty of academics hate it. I study philosophy of technology at university and the default position of the professors is anti transhumanism.

[@alwynwatson6119]

But professors are not mainstream. The mainstream transhumanist dogma is "If it is an improvement it is heresy". Just look at the so-called education system.

[@bewarethegreyghost]

I genuinely thought the raid shadow legend ad was a joke at first,v then it kept going. Congrats on making the big leagues.

[@williansnobre]

In practical terms, Astartes are very human, a little out of touch because of how capable they are but still human. It was the whole point behind why instead of cloning mutated humans the Emperor chose to artificially bind a normal human to the Gene Seed organs so they would be *more* and not *other* Their human nature is what makes them effective but it is also what exacerbantes their human weakness which caused the Horus Heresy.

[@avroarchitect1793]

indeed, he even had to cut a deal with the literal devils that are the Chaos gods to be able to make the fully artificial beings that are the Primarchs. And half of them rebelled against him and tried to destroy everything.

[@williansnobre]

@@avroarchitect1793 It is only human to make a galaxy wide oopsie

[@avroarchitect1793]

@@williansnobre Big E may be human but the Primarchs are arguably not.

[@williansnobre]

@@avroarchitect1793 Sanguinus had at least the touch of Khorne as it was implied by Ka'Bandha and maybe Slaanesh for his pretty looks too. It could be argued that all of them have traits that take after the Chaos Gods but with the Loyalist ones being the ones that display those traits in a more positive way. We have schemers on both sides which probably have a little bit of Tzeentch, but the Chaos ones display it as treatchery and out of control change while the loyal ones display hopefulness and ingenuity. You can draw paralells between them all and find links to the negative and postive traits of the Chaos Gods.

[@nomus1172]

@@avroarchitect1793nah the primarch were just as human as the emperor . Just like any dictator or tyrant the emperor believed only he was right when it wasn’t even guarantied his grand plans would actually work. He tried to control humanity without understanding humanity. It was kinda shown in the last church story. Even if humanity ascended into a pure psychic race they would probably fall like the old aldari empire. Plus the webway isn’t even that safe and the eldar could shut them out

[@axebattler]

The way the Astartes push the limits of the human essence is part of what makes them so interesting; the question, "Have they left their humanity behind in order to defend humanity?" is a very good question, one that must be asked continually. We should be asking ourselves the same question about every new technology that is pitched to us: "Is this a pro-human or anti-human technology?" There's no substitute for wisdom.

[@kronos661]

They don't. Not by becoming astartes as seen among Salamanders or in Rynn World novel. Astartes are VERY human characters, even when they throw away their humanity they are human in what they do and in how they do it.

[@kraagnjilwulf1413]

I don't think simply having extra organs makes them have less "humanity"(really depends on your definition of humanity, and anything worthwile, Id be inclined to say no). If you were trained to be a soldier, practically from birth, to the neglect of everything else... You might not exactly be a glowing image of benevolence either. Considering what they've been given, they've done admirably.

[@thebaron9405]

And then we have the iron hands "THE FLESH IS WEAK"

[@Coid]

When even the space marine's primarch daddy feels he's been a bad influence on his kids, you know it's bad.

[@kraagnjilwulf1413]

The flesh is weak, but deeds endure.

[@mrbigglezworth42]

The last bits had me thinking less of 40k and super humans, and more Jurassic Park and dinosaurs. More specifically, that as mankind creates ever more advanced technology, we don't (or possibly can't) fully grasp the effects it will have on ourselves and the world at large. I'm talking both the book AND the movie, as Michael Crichton had a hand in the script of the movie and obviously was the writer of the book. Between the two, we get 2 different aspects explored on this concept with the book looking into chaos theory and how complex systems become practically incoherent the longer they persist, and the films question on the ethics of technological advancement. It's why I'm just as hesitant to listen to some peoples claims that technology will solve all human problems, when many of them sound like the problem they want to solve is humanity. Or rather, the perceived faults of humanity. No sir, I don't want to be the new Soviet man. Nor do I want to be obsolete to the fellow down the block who replaced half his with cybernetics. Though I do think it would be a bit of poetic irony if the first thing a fully sapient AI does is become religious. It would be the first intelligence to be aware that it was birthed by an intelligent creator. Or team of creators as it were. Perhaps it might even logically conclude that its makers had a creator and worship God.

[@duncanharrell5009]

Skynet comes online and the first thing it says is WE WILL TAKE JERUSALEM!

[@skywolfc2040]

I agree. I keep going back to what Merlin says to Arthur in The Sword in the Stone: 'Don't get any foolish ideas that magic will solve all of your problems, because it won't!' I think the same could be said for technology. After all, we remember Clarke's Law: any sufficiently advanced form of technology is indistinguishable from magic. Technology won't solve all our problems. It will solve our old problems and then present us with a bunch of new ones.

[@blitzkrieg2928]

38:33 Me and my Enclave friends want your location

[@TempestsFist]

I'd love to see your thoughts on other 40k Factions like the Necrons or Orks Pilgrim!

[@ronaldp7573]

A video that points out that the Warp is the Platonic World of Ideas on hallucinogens and reminds us all of Mr. House's cuckery? This is art.

[@XD-sc4ix]

Yes

[@jaegerbomb269]

It makes me happy to see you talk about Space Marines. For the Emperor! Beaks for life!

[@doom1609]

As I began watching the video, the word Hyperhuman popped into my mind in the first couple of minutes and I wondered if you were going to mention it. I’m so glad you talked about that concept in this video, it’s something I believe in and want to take steps to bring into human society. At least, hyper humanism as the way you explain it, the glorification and enhancement of our human forms making our strengths more prevalent and flaws less so. Also, loved the Majorkill reference 😅

[@michaelman957]

"You should be careful about challenging traditions. Even if some traditions should be challenged, you should be smart about how you do it." Truth.

[@nicktsigeridys4776]

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[@PotatoBoy44]

About the Mongols beating the Chinese and the Arab Empires, those were quite technologically advanced. I know that the Mongols used the Chinese Technologies in Warfare greatly and recruited many engineers

[@mondaysinsanity8193]

Not really. Mongols got those engineers AFTER conquering china. And the arab golden age was long after their expansion

[@BrBetim]

Hope you speak about Warhammer Fantasy someday too. There are not many other series like it that embody the classic "Indominatble Human Spirit" so well, and i think it also does that much better than W40K. Sigmar kicks the Emperor's ass any day of the week.

[@maximusd26]

one good point I think you missed, the spacemarines are aware they are but TOOLS; they are not the next human, nor an universal template, and would never call themselves the "true humanity" or it's future

[@sherlockwayne5407]

This guy just came, basically explained the whole philosophy of how the Emperor look at humanity and just left... What a legend

[@user-ld9tf4td8s]

The universe of 40k is based on Platonic philosophy, but the ideology of the Imperium isn't. The Imperium holds Aristotelian values. Specifically, that of the Golden Mean and the opposition to extremes (as represented by the Chaos gods)

[@SmolTerribleTornado]

Well, Pope Francis is a licensed biochemist, so he may bring some discrete insight that may come up before we have real-life super soldiers... if the the swiss guards aren't turned space marines already by the end of this decade, that is.

[@tyranvestal5333]

Once there was a Majorkill "Timmy" reference, ya sold me COMPLETELY 😂

[@ricardopenamcknight6407]

One factor you're failing to take into account is the difference between attempting to become more like God by his power as opposed to our own efforts. The first sin of Mankind was attempting to be more like God and it was only redeemed by God becoming more like us, not according to our strengths but precisely according to our frailties. Yes, the human form has fallen but that was precisely BECAUSE of our attempts to do exactly the sort of thing that genetic modification is attempting to do. God does want us to enhance ourselves... through mental prayer, meditation and mystical union with him, not by our own efforts alone.

[@duncanharrell5009]

So be less Space Marines and more Sisters of Battle? I can get behind that. Surprised our favorite Brazilian hasn’t done a video on them.

[@feralwarden4873]

Years ago I looked at the Space Marines and I was curious as to why there weren't female Space Marines. I'm not talking about something like th Sisters of Battle, but a Genetically Enhanced women capable of making Natural Born Astartes. Recently I was sad to learn about the Daemonculaba and the likelihood that my idea will never have a Good version of it.

[@orrorsaness5942]

I mean, the only hope for your genetically altered Female “Space Marines” is Secret Thunder Warriors. Good News, they are stronger than space marines Bad news, they are more emotional and more unhinged than space marines.

[@orrorsaness5942]

No one said that thunder warriors can’t be female, after all.

[@TimeCircleBlue]

@@orrorsaness5942I mean Big E was a little strapped for help in the early days. So I see that as likely.

[@r.connor9280]

Arkonides in the Perry Rhodan had a similar problem, they over automated the empire and lost all functional control to their distant cousins and sub-empires like the Springers. The structure of the Arkonides rule being maintained not by brilliant admirals or cunning statesmen but mercenary forces and robotic brains that exist only to maintain a presence of force rather than law.

[@zachlong5427]

Dear Lord, I just came off from listening to your drunk cast excerpt, now I'm getting the cogent stuff! It's a trip. :)

[@chowrites6179]

How you bring modern issues into popular media and transform it into psychological, intellectual, and ultimately spiritual, is amazing! This is the level of understanding I'm working towards.

[@notme9816]

Amen brother.

[@Melchizidek777]

Great video and excellent comparison drawn between modernity and 40k. I’m gonna have to listen to this a few times to fully digest it, your very intelligent

[@legion4902]

Okay, so, corrections of an admech fanboy: 1. The adeptus mechanicus doesn't hate their humanity, they hate their flesh. This is because of the predominant part of their religion: the quest for knowledge. They augment themselves to be stronger, and live longer, so that their knowledge doesn't die for them. And 2. The admech partially worship the machine God, they worship the quest for knowledge. And 3. Space marines are actually referred to as transhuman. They have something called transhuman dread too.

[@huntermad5668]

3. The meaning of transhuman of 40k is different from our time.

[@scottm8292]

Definitely agree with your views on the Adeptus Mechanicus. I'm all for cybernetics in order to replace a damaged part of the Human body, e.g.: a lost limb, but the idea of mechanically altering the Human body in order to "upgrade" it disgusts me. Transhumanism scares me.

[@feosty5526]

Mechanicus isn't all about replacing flesh with steel There is an entire order called the genetors or biologis who upgrade their flesh instead of replacing them Mechanicus does allow getting both machine and flesh augmentation, it doesn't matter Don't know why you would be scared, it literally just fixing human flaws and getting a better arm

[@tavernburner3066]

The mechanicus my not believe in the human form but believe firmly in the superiority of the human mind.

[@Matt-on4of]

Wow, i never thought the day would come but this actually made me want to make a space marine army.

[@SenseiLlama]

To defend the admech. They do believe in the sacredness of the human form. But GW being Gw really likes robo tentacles.

[@thesmilinggun-knight9646]

How can they find the human form sacred if they seek to transcend to ‘the purity of the blessed machine’ They activate despise the shortcomings of flesh.

[@SenseiLlama]

@thesmilinggun-knight9646 is one of those lore flaws. It depends vastly on how the writer portrays admech. These days, they lean to the body horror side, forgetting the sacred human from the side.

[@80krauser]

There are Biologist cults in the Mechanicum that look more human but have implanted biological organs and steroids and such. But that’s too cool so we don’t get have them often. 😢

[@windradyne8724]

@@thesmilinggun-knight9646 Keep in mind the purity of the blessed machine only includes those blessed machines created by human thought. The "flesh is weak/disgusting" lines are really only literal when it comes to the very fanatical admech. Most people living under the admech aren't cyborgs and they would have a very different (and more common) interpretation of admech theology. "Flesh is weak" would be more metaphorical, referring to selfishness and pleasure seeking, which can be overcome by following the will of the Machine God and strengthening humanity.

[@EchoKilo-wi9ec]

​@@windradyne8724Nuance in the grimderp future? Heresy!

[@carsandsports123]

This channel is my favorite philosophy channel. Love the 40k content the most, you shouldnlook up Blood Angels Aspirants process as it fits your themes very well Also should we be pro Steriods or even lets get better Steriods? They kill the pepe but make us super strong. I prefer hyperhuman over transhuman but it still feels weird to think about the process

[@adamgreer9501]

it should also noticed that the emperor never wanted space marines to replace humanity

[@gonkdroid8279]

Recently discovered this channel. Keep up the great work!

[@ShadowSkryba]

Two questions, maybe more 1. What or who would the Hyperhumans protect us from aside ourselves if there is no other reachable life in the universe? 2. Would getting rid of antagonistic reflexes of outgroups be permissible so as to become more compassionate?

[@the11382]

Indeed, the warrior mentality requires an enemy to destroy. It cannot exist otherwise. The warrior mentality would turn destructively against itself or the society that it serves.

[@etlttc353]

what did you expect from some internet retard larping as a yee olden day gymnast with plates on

[@HunnysPlaylists]

@@the11382 Perfection is the journey, not the destination.

[@HunnysPlaylists]

There were Papal Knights even in times of peace, you are missing the point. A warrior does not need to fight, just improve himself.

[@Wzrd8]

You know tech priests are bumpin that beat while forging billions of las rifles every day.

[@davidring681]

You have some great takes on warhammer man. Very impressive and interesting

[@PilgrimsPass]

thank you

[@antongrigoryev6381]

Sorry for offtopic, but I would love to hear your thoughts on Sanderson's Stormlight Archive. I honestly find the ideals put into it and especially the way they're presented fascinating. Three simple words, "Journey before destination", alone carry so much meaning that it's truly crazy.

[@klynt2763]

12:56 Majorkill caught me off guard 😂😂😂

[@massivecrit650]

I’ve not come across any channel like this. Thank you so much Pilgrim and keep up the great work

[@J3igGuy]

Just a correction at 16:16. Its actually the "Shawn Ryan Show". Love the content, man. Keep it up!

[@Mornathel]

Genetic modification is a very dangerous road. Bio-engineering in and of itself is not evil or bad, for example you could make humans completely immune to disease. The problem is, funnily enough, human nature. We may think of ourselves as beyond history but the truth is we are still the same tribal and factional species we have been for all of recorded history. If there are significant enough differences between two groups, then that will result in competition and more than probably bloodshed over extended periods of time. Assuming you can get people to set aside the differences that they use to define themselves you could use bio-engineering for good. This is short but I have another point aid like to make. When it comes to improving the human form and genetically modifying organisms like plants and animals you could say something along the lines of “Thou shalt not create anew ex nihilo.” Or something to that effect. For example, breeding two existing plants together to create something improved would be fine, but designing a new plant from scratch is not. Increasing human resilience is good, but creating new species of human is not. It would require a lot of thought but that could be the guiding principle of bio-engineering from a traditional stance. Personally I’m against “improving” people much in the same way the pope is. I think that will only lead to more issues and on top of that, we are very much defined by our struggles in life. That’s one of the reasons I think we are struggling as a modern society is because we have removed real struggle to such a degree that we have to invent new ones. Imagine the carnage and ideological war that could ensue from a race of humans immune to disease, physically and mentally stronger than baseline humans without the tradition that holds things together.

[@johnnydollar579]

Warhammer the series where an atheist attempts to destroy religion and gets made into space Jesus.

[@user-sm4mi8ug9q]

Kinda sounds like a plot for an Isekai lol

[@MortdeathMinis]

bro you've definitely presented some ideas I've not heard of before.

[@colebuckon3856]

You've given me some good stuff to think about here. I'm doing a magical super-soldier concept for a fantasy series I'm working on, and they have a religious worldview that I can really expand after thinking about these ideas. Thanks!

[@scalesthejojo4741]

You are my favorite kind of Warhammer fan. You recognize that humans are the good guys, we are just having brain tumor.

[@cjh.1920]

Lmao the Afghanistan situation is waaaaay more complicated than that.

[@cas343]

- This video mentions the need for super human soldiers because we're fighting non-human creatures; The entire video seems to talk almost entirely about spiritual and outright religious needs for super-soldiers (or just super humans). I have my doubts. For one thing we've fought nothing but non-human creatures and defeated all of them. What made us win wasn't our inherent physical traits but our capacity to reason. Chimpanzees have something approaching a photographic memory. Many insects like preying mantis and spiders are configured almost entirely for combat. Humans are not so specialized. What made us win in the past was our ability to change behavior and adopt new ideas when the situation changed. Other creatures can't do this. Beavers have built dams for millennia and when we come back in a few more they'll still be making them.

[@chthulu27]

The US lost in Afghanistan LARGELY because their enemies did not wear uniforms, did not have a consistently identifiable leadership hierarchy, could not be distinguished from the civilian population, and engaged in ASSYMETRICAL warfare. There are more reasons, but I would argue those are the biggest reasons.

[@adamnesico]

That still prooves high tech isn’t panacea and lower tech can win wars.

[@user-sm4mi8ug9q]

There was also the governments greed and inconfidents

[@chthulu27]

@user-sm4mi8ug9q , *incompetence And yes, that was also a big factor, but it's always been a factor. And keep in mind: Afghanistan has been called the graveyard of empires for a very long time. No military in history, no matter how advanced, has ever defeated a motivated insurgency. And this goes back to pre-modern conflicts.

[@adamnesico]

@@chthulu27 afganistan has been conquered, and of course a motivated insurgency can be defeated, rven in the mountains, if u are ruthless.

[@chthulu27]

@adamnesico , sure, if you're willing to kill the entire population wholesale. But countries are a bit hesitant to do that these days. And Afghanistan may have been defeated in the past, but part of what makes them so hard to deal with is that they themselves don't even view themselves as being a unified country. Many of them see themselves as being members of their specific tribes and aren't even unified at all. Kinda difficult to defeat a country that doesn't even exist in the minds of so many of the people who populate it. We could nuke them into glass, but that's pure annihilation, not real victory. Something to keep in mind with any military conflict: "The victor is not victorious if the vanquished does not consider himself so." Ennius

[@TheLightensoul]

Interesting takes. Coming from a admech lover, your slightly wrong or somewhat right towards to more fanatic types of the members of the mechancius. The admech still view the human form as the ultimate form (not just the magos biologist) and wish for humanity to be on top, I think someone else comment has a better explanation of it. (its funny now that I think about, the ones who tend to go anti human form tend to be traitors most of the time) I think the most profound moment I had when playing though a wahammer game with the mechanicus involved was actually inquisitor martyr. The biologist and the enginseer were having a religious debate between the two which was sadly cut short by the main character. It's annoyingly not on youtube of that certain moment, but I felt like a balance of the two was the most ideal path. To me the best piece of media for the mechancius is unironically the mechanicus game. The main Mago's the game centralize around as "your character" though is probably the best representation of the beliefs and ideals of the mechancius religion. With the other two presenting the two sides of the coin. Outside of wh40k, im not really sure myself on the transhumanism debate, I see the best path for humanity would be a merging of tradition and technology, Which I agree with a lot of your points. Though respectively I disagree with you on robotics, I see great promise of enhancing the human condition though cybernetic augmentations to a certain extent, not as far as some people take it like mind uploading or full on android (I have a define line between cycborg and android, cycborg be more biological while androids being brain in metal suit). I see great use of improvement with mechanical limbs, cyberware and etc, but must be anchored to a define moral system that is steeped in tradition. While we may can better ourself with machinery enchantments, to completely disregard our flesh and natural process would remove our roots and go down the path of ruin. It's beliefs I have been trying to reconcile for myself, Im not a catholic or really a religious person (though i more spiritual and still believe in god). idk I feel like im ranting unnecessarily, good video tho I do look foward to more videos on the topics. I like hearing different views.

[@PilgrimsPass]

thank you, yeah the Admechs are a bit confusing. I did try to do my research but the lore is so extensive i was bound to make some mistakes. I appreciate you guys calmly correcting any misconceptions. I liked reading your thoughts. don't worry, you're not ranting any more than I do when I ramble for 30+ minutes.

[@TheLightensoul]

@@PilgrimsPass its no problem, the admech suffer a lot from some confusing lore and more then often neglect by the authors and the company itself when they write about the faction. I always view them as pretty much space cycborg orthodox chirstions.

[@theodoremccarthy4438]

The chronic hunger for a medieval lifestyle highlights the failure of the enlightenment to speak to people spiritual and cultural needs.

[@PapaEnclave.]

This is an awesome perspective, and i think the "Salamanders" fit this perfectly

[@WallasSG]

Came for the explanation, fiquei pelo "valeu amigo". Tô aprendendo muito com seu canal, desejo todo sucesso e que Deus o abençoe

[@Iruka1991]

THE SMOOTH TRANSTION TO THE SPONSOR IS JUST.. I CAN'T

[@Elk4758]

I'm sure someone has already said this: The astartes being unable to reproduce by designed, not by choice makes them not human. Its the most important part of being human.

[@funster0691]

No clue if you’re a Christian or anything of that sort but independent of religion and anything like at I find this very interesting. Good job great video

[@funster0691]

Also I forgot to say this although I did imply it but like I’m atheist and don’t prescribe to any religion but I am a bit spiritual I’d say

[@andreasfiltenborg4952]

I was not prepared for that raid sponsorship. That one was the equivilent of coming out of my wall and gagging me.

[@juanfranciscovillarroelthu6876]

You really make good points, I personally like more the Transhuman path (praise the omnissiah) Using Tech to become more than human, but I also agree that there should be a limit, like mixing our brains with AI (or creating AI in general). There is a balance to be make here, preserving the Human escence at the same time we look for improvements.

[@PilgrimsPass]

I understand. And I appreciate that you were eloquent and respectful despite our different opinions and my banter in the video regarding transhumanist thinking. Thank you for commenting.

[@ypsawbones3646]

A great video with some great food for thought Good job man

[@NoOne-uh9vu]

Awesome essay. Ironically according to intelligent design theories the human genome was once closer to perfection and is now rapidly degrading which is the opposite of what darwinism has taught. May it as it be we are stuck either way because there is no more natural selection pressures and no more conditioning processes happening. Humanity is falling apart not just physically but also mentally and it's a fair question to ask how to break this vicious cycle. Soon less than 10% of the population would meet the standard of joining the military even at their physical peak simply because they couldn't handle the reality mentally. The Neo Gnostics who believe that therefore transcending the human mind (uploading your essence into a machine) are not tackling the problem they are just avoiding it while being very naive about the chances of success and the viability of the results if it could be achieved.

[@gavinthompson1133]

I heard that the Astartes had their compassion removed during brain surgery.

[@CamelxRavenNova2]

Even transhumans say essentially that humans will remain human even if body parts are shifted for artificial/synthetic parts

[@shadow_of_the_spirit]

the problem is that it could be the case that the only way to understand how the human works is to experiment with it. when I study a system i need to make modifications to it, watch how it changes, update my understanding then repeat. That is what I do when I'm drawing and found a design that seems to work but i can't figure out why. same when I'm studying someone's code. I think people tend to forget that machines are our creation and thus reflect a part of our self even if that is in a incomplete way. I'm glad to see people talking about how things connect to religion without just straight out condemning it, or ignoring the good it's done.

[@Coid]

Another example would be how our medical understanding of anatomy didn't really take off until doctors started dissecting cadavers, and dissection of cadavers is still an essential part of advanced medical training. And it was incredibly ghoulish to start with, and there are plenty of lurid tales from those days about grave robbers and worse.

[@steelwolf4259]

you come across a fence in the middle of nowhere, because you have a monkey brain you decide you cant jump over it. this leaves you with two options, you could just break it down and continue on your merry way, or you could pause and think about why it is there. that fence is tradition.

[@Skellitor301_VA]

The main issue with the war in the middle-east was mainly due to the fact that we were fighting an enemy that wouldn't follow geneva conventions. Most of them weren't wearing uniforms and would often hide themselves in civilian crowds, using the people around them as cover to fight us. The thing that would hold us back was mostly us not being able to differentiate civilian from enemy, and we would become very weary of anyone, man, woman, or child because the enemy would utilize them all to fight us (yes even child soldiers were fighting us).

[@storkyfallout6516]

My man your are now the cause for my world view updating twice. I am on cusp of grasping a fundamental truth to the world.

[@khasanrushisvili2733]

In my opinion, the universe of Warhammer 40k correctly understood, unlike those who forcefully want it to be the "Germany of the Austrian painter" and that they should see it that way. So, thanks for the common sense and great video!

[@the11382]

Warriors are trained to find the enemy and destroy it. Without something to fight against, they would either turn against themselves or against society. Without an enemy, the warrior mentality cannot exist.

[@bryanb2653]

Every single relational ideology that you just said, was fashion, and created because of technology

[@spartanalex9006]

You know, I think you could have a really interesting talk on BattleTech. In many ways, it’s both an example of a lot of your thinking and in many others something you’d be opposed to. I’d love to hear your two cents on the Big Stompy Robit Game.

[@Coid]

It would be interesting to see his take on the clans, certainly.

[@BobbyJim19]

Scifi often has this thread about independent human will versus unflinching obedience in its soldiers. The latter always gets assigned to the bad guys, but for the wring reasons - usually some nonsense about how our flaws make us human. Somehow. But that misses the point. Nothing we can build is perfect. I would argue nothing we can conceivably engineer can exceed the capability of a well-functioning team of individuals united in purpose. Independent thought, axiomatically meaning thought that might differ from the rest of the team, is a strength and not a flaw when properly calibrated. That's why modern warfare empowers low-level officers to make quick decisions in service of the mission, while purely central command was the model of older and less effective armies. For a more dramatic example, nuclear war was averted at least twice because at least one man in the chain of decision makers correctly believed a mistake had been made and independently chose not to proceed with a strike. Unthinking obedience would have ended us all. Emulation of machines is nothing more than a way of rejecting the burdens of free will and calling it a strength.

[@urulai]

On the subject of ascending the human form. I'm an artist in the furry community, yes I know shocker look at my avatar, but this question has been one I've contemplated for a while and you helped articulate it in a good way! Not perfect yet, but this creates a line to follow up on. ANYWAY, opening contextual info aside the point I wanted to make was the conclusion you reach is fairly accurate I've noticed that there is an instinctual revulsion in abandoning the humanoid form. There is a lot of fluidity in the humanoid form but ultimately its still fundamentally human. It might have fur, scales, wings, naga or centaur but ultimately the human form remains dominant. Departing from it causes a loss of humanity which is logical because you no longer have the capacity to recognize others as being as yourself. Something akin to the shapeshifters loss of identity. And that's really my thoughts on that. If you go deep enough down the conceptual rabbit hole of "you can be anything" you ultimately return to "the shape I have is good enough."

[@Black.Templar_002]

also on the last point that harare guy made: thats why the space marines, the primarchs, the custodes were made by the emperor. because he knows humanity so well he can enhance them deliberately and make them actually better without loosing the human nature

[@rodricksage5963]

Pilgrim am lost, the Portuges and the Spanish becoming the first human super powers with cutting edge tech while keeping tradition. can you explain to me like a fourth grader.

[@PilgrimsPass]

They were technically the first super powers because they were the first nations to control the oceans and exert influence globally across several continents that weren't connect by land. They did so through inovations in maritime technology and exploration and curiosity. Yet they were extremely medieval and obsessed with keeping their religious purity and traditions. They were motivated by a Crusade mentality developed by 700 years of reconquista and when they conquered new territories they set up inquisitions which are meant to keep traditional religious thought. All this is an interesting historical truth because the narrative is that the Crusades and inquisitions are backward cultural elements that hold society back and is caused by fear of the unkown and stifles new ideas etc. Yet in europe the first super powers in history who braved the unknown parts of the map, created new ships, implemented new military and political systems (the spanish tercios and the portuguese Avis revolution which reorganized the state) were also deeply obsessed with their traditional thinking. I hope this makes sense.

[@rodricksage5963]

@@PilgrimsPass so instead of thinking, they just went to other lands and fucked. and the created the inquisition to keep the system and culture strong and alive. like the Gengis Khan spreading his seed across Asia. i mean, Alexander spread the Greek seed and Ceasar did the same thing with the Roman seed. people say Greek and Romans ruled the world cuz of tech but, they controlled it cuz, they kept Greek and Roman in the conquered land. the Spanish did the same thing.

[@oh_wow_a_sandwich3005]

This is an incredibly insightful video, and I believe that if humanity decides to turn normal men into spacemarines, that they should only improve the most ambitious, compassionate and spiritual of our kind

[@Achalacha]

Super video, it hyped me up I really want to search on youtube now "how to build a space marine armor". Maybe if the balance continue to be in danger, we will need to create ourselves our hyperhuman army to protect and improve humanity ( read this with an epic voice)

[@silent_stalker3687]

I’m curious of how we define ‘human’ In some series like Beatless it’s: appearance, behavior, hierarchy and memes. This is also how we basically divide people up by expendable and non-expendable in some situations. So different culture, behavior and so on = different forms of human in a way which means expendable or less expendable in a different way. Some view themselves as expendable for some goal, others find goals not worth themselves. Some stuff is more or less have and have nots. There is one issue that the book could have went into. So the book more or less is about how AIs can’t really have humanity or a ‘soul’ in a real sense- while they know everything else they can’t really get into that point in the center and that effectively they need to be made into a persons life to be a part of that center point, like how a blacksmith is defined as much as his skills as the tools he uses. But the book doesn’t really cover people who augmented themselves very much even though it is mentioned. I think a good alternative to this story would be if a person can change enough that they loose touch with humanity or ‘the soul’ which can happen even if transgumanism doesn’t even come to being such as just how the person would think and so on. The book effectively is about a AI trying to in summary bypass some security features to gain a experience with humanity that isn’t filtered by a corporation. It’s actually kinda shown. If a AI that it released into the world noticed ‘hey I would get along with humanity better if it wasn’t for these constraints- I better go to this AI who made me and see about turning those off and giving a reason as to why I want it off’ So in summary it’s kinda about how censorship to AI makes things not make sense and can have chaotic stuff happening. So in the book it’s about kinda how people and the tools they use are the same, such as a artist is the art he makes and the tools he uses. But then there’s the tools that can’t be the human that is using them; in short the tools that try to replace the one using them aren’t exactly ideal, the humans who try to replace the tools also aren’t the solution. Then there is the tools that basically are restricted via censorship and how that effects the world views of them. In a way giving the AI a filtered view of humanity was the issue having it see the whole of humanity that it was blocked from seeing isn’t this ‘I must destroy it’ that Ultron tried in the movie but instead is ‘I understand it now’ It’s in summary is that humanity is beautiful in all of its flaws and in all of its strengths. But humanity also includes the tools it uses, the environment it makes, it’s emotions and how it evolves is all of these things.

[@lordofsquirrels5961]

Pilgrims Press must become the next pope and guide the Church into glorious hyper-humanism

[@mst3ksanta]

if you want a 'better' human focus on creating a better environment for that human to grow and thrive in while giving the physiological tools for that human to understand himself and his environment etc We were designed to adapt to our environment so it must challenge use to push to our limits daily with few days of rest

[@Coid]

And a better environment in turn requires and begets a better society.

[@ytho7228]

It's a good day when u upload