The Critical Drinker Lied To You About Glass Onion

[@JacobHillSBD]

I’m sorry, did he legitimately ask “why didn’t the villain of the film just kill a character in front of everyone and reveal himself for no reason” like it was a legitimate criticism?

[@potatoesnchips42]

Really speaks to his level of critical analysis doesn’t it?

[@papalosopher]

Critical Drinker understands that ideally in today's social media environment you have to have 30%-40% of your audience to be in the opposition. People hate-watching your video are more likely to comment, which drives the algorithm; more likely to share, because "Can you believe how DUMB this is?" Critical Drinker is playing you. He is far too smart to be this stupid. Think about it. And Pillar of Garbage is serving Critical Drinker. CritDrink is SOOOO pleased that this video exists, it will drive more traffic his way. It is so discouraging to exist in this social media environment in which content creators are making "mistakes" on purpose, or providing weapons-grade bad-takes just so people with share and comment, and NO ONE CAN SEE IT. Please open your eyes. Like... Ben Shapiro doesn't really like Episode IX. I could go on and on I will spare you.

[@ranzizam]

So u don't understand jokes.. okay 😮

[@WobblyBits_X]

@@ranzizam lol ok cinemasins...

[@papalosopher]

Hey, my reply is gone.

[@The116thDoctor]

No one: Critical drinker: “mighty convenient that gravity exists, if it didn’t I don’t really see how any of these characters could stay attached to the ground.”

[@Ixiah27]

"Mighty convenient that Strawmaning exists, or else i wouldnt have an argument against CD"

[@gilamasan]

@@Ixiah27 If only there was an entire video going over the review and what was wrong with it.

[@Ixiah27]

@@gilamasan Your comment isnt an entire video :)

[@gilamasan]

@@Ixiah27 No shit Sherlock. Maybe you missed that this comment section is for a youtube video.

[@Ixiah27]

@@gilamasan Again for the slow, your comment isnt a video.

[@kabobawsome]

Something I want to note is that I have ABSOLUTELY seen older, flamboyant gay men dress WAY more flamboyantly than Benoit Blanc.

[@xalahuj]

He isn't even one third of a Charles Nelson Reilly!

[@KasaresStern]

Shit, i have absolutely seen older STRAIGHT men dress absolutely FAR MORE flamboyantly than three Benoit Blancs put together. Like, JFC, how long must "the drinker" have been without feeling the touch of grass to think Benoit Blanc dresses "flamboyantly gay"? Has he taken a gander at any masculine fashion magazine? Or anything that isn't a woodworking catalogue?

[@6dragondaddy913]

@@KasaresStern Did the right forget that their favorite psychologist exists?

[@cheesykebs708]

the queen of scotty road comes to mind

[@geedee1264]

Is Dave Cullen still around that fucking right wing geek from Irelanx

[@danimalthebruce2569]

He says its an insult to the genre (Agatha Christie/Sherlock Holmes style ultra perceptive, intelligent, well revered detectives) but earlier questions why Blanc is well known and famous as if it’s a never seen contrivance in this genre….. I don’t think he knows what genre this is.

[@roosajarvinen5698]

He also "critiques" the secret twin trope which is used in 4 different Agatha Christie books.

[@danimalthebruce2569]

@@roosajarvinen5698 i mean, when I watch these kinds of stories, I want those tropes. When I watch a Columbo episode or a Miss Marple or Holmes, I want those tropes because thats whats fun about those types of stories. A trope isn’t a bad thing. Like, there’s tropes in all the media he holds up as exquisite examples and he actively complains when tropes aren’t present that he likes (guy gets the girl, buff masculine quippy action hero, etc).

[@roosajarvinen5698]

@@danimalthebruce2569 oh I agree. There's a reason they are tropes in the first place

[@d3nza482]

@@roosajarvinen5698 To be fair, that is not a trope of the genre - that's a cliche. Something which, though maybe an inventive twist back in Agatha Christie and Conan Doyle days, comes off unrealistic, silly and even comical today. IT HAS BEEN OVER A 100 YEARS, you know? Many of those old stories have to be altered in adaptation today simply to maintain plausibility as modern audiences are often far more savvy and the "contrivances of the genre" are often based on stereotypes that range from ridiculous (think Holmes's disguises and use of a magnifying glass- and the same done by Inspector Clouseau) to downright unpalatable (think inherent racist, sexist and other stereotypes from 100+ years ago). Justifying jamming such cliches into a modern story by the fact that they've been used before, 100+ years ago - that's a literal fallacy. Appeal to authority. Also, appeal to tradition.

[@6dragondaddy913]

I have a feeling his knowledge of the mystery genre is about as deep as any other subject...

[@danielwalker8133]

He seriously tried to say that Duke should have noticed the pickpocketing but didn't notice the twig breaking

[@PillarofGarbage]

*irony note plays*

[@thasthar]

I start to wonder if he watched the movie totally drunk and only remembers fragments of it. And if when he edited it, he was also drunk, to fail so much in a review.

[@jenessahicks8012]

@@PillarofGarbage While I personally prefer the first Knives Out more, I did enjoy this one as well. Watching the Drinker's review on this, I immediately could tell he didn't pay attention to the movie based on his complaint about the hot sauce, which was clearly explained. Who knows maybe he watches these movies drunk lol🤣

[@mcameron6031]

Have you ever carried a gun?......you totally notice when it suddenly comes off you.

[@danielwalker8133]

@@mcameron6031 Have you ever watched this film? It's hard not to notice Duke hearing the twig and turning around, my point is you can't criticise someone for not being perceptive if you yourself are not perceptive.

[@chrisjones5949]

A very talented writer friend of mine has said "Coincidences to get your characters *into* trouble are fine. Coincidences to get them *out of* trouble are bad storytelling."

[@peterfrank3365]

I think it's alright to get them out of trouble, so as long the story's aware how absurd that could be.

[@theblackflame4002]

Ex Machina/McGuffins....the sign of writing your ass into a corner and needing something to happen for...reasons. TBH as much as I enjoyed the MCU up to Endgame as soon as the said time travel I rolled my eyes, other than 'It was all a dream" its the laziest thing you can do.

[@peterfrank3365]

@@theblackflame4002 I could tolerate that, I couldn't tolerate Captain Marvel. I suppose despite the conveniences that surround the time travel plot, it still had some sets of conflicts going for it. Captain Marvel reduced them.

[@europhann4460]

Hard disagree

[@chrisjones5949]

@@peterfrank3365 I'll admit that it CAN work, in the hands of a talented writer and in the right setting. But that's the rare exception that proves the rule.

[@Gruggo]

What a coincidence there was a camera crew pointing a camera at the events happening, right as they were happening. How convenient.

[@MaddestRaven]

My favorite trope of his is trying to come up with any reason why a woman wouldn't be able to beat a man in physical contest. Like how it is somehow unbelievable that Black Widow - a trained-from-youth super assassin who has a body count in the triple (or even quadruple) digits - would be able to defeat some unnamed corporate security mook in a hand-to-hand fight.

[@Lithosagymfan173]

Worst part? In his books, a woman beats men twice bigger than her.

[@doctorgrubious7725]

She’s a rapist???????

[@doctorgrubious7725]

@@roachybill it’s cause men are stronger you dope

[@MaddestRaven]

@@doctorgrubious7725 its says something about the state of the internet - combined with my sleep deprivation - that for a second I couldn't tell that you were joking.

[@doctorgrubious7725]

@@MaddestRaven perhaps I am

[@donavonmcdowell8871]

This is what happens when you let your hatred for one movie dominate your entire personality for 6 years

[@6187490]

jesus has it been that long since Star Wars broke their media-illiterate minds?

[@032_m.alfathcirrus5]

That's what happens when you put your ideals above objective facts. Yeah, Rian Johnson might have different views than yours but atleast you don't discredit him when he made something good. I'm a conservative too and I also dislike modern politics... but even then I treat everyone's arts fairly and respectfully. When my "enemy" created a good art I won't lie about it, because as an amateur writer I am also an artist in my own ways, I appreciate artistic efforts through an artistic lens, not a political one disguised with artistic criticism.

[@marcogianesello6083]

@@032_m.alfathcirrus5 oh you sweet, beautiful man, never change. This comment gives me hope for the future of our species. Good luck with your writing and never sell out to the ideologues

[@032_m.alfathcirrus5]

@@marcogianesello6083 Thanks for the support too brother, it sparks of comfort.

[@Chelaxim]

@@6187490 Well technically 24 years ago with The Phantom Menace was released and they decided to harras a literal child. Interestingly enough schizophrenia can be triggered by early trauma and Jake Lloyd does not have a a family history of schizophrenia. Instead of blaming the script writer and director they decided to blame a literal child and I don't even think that Meryl Streep could sell some of those lines that child Anakin Skywalker had to say. Is Jake Lloyd a bad actor? Well we will never know because of the Star Wars fan base.

[@elavedelosaugurios704]

In fact, the detective being a celebrity is a convention of the genre. Sherlock Holmes and Hercules Poirot are famous in their universes

[@Northex23]

When I watched the movie, I thought Blanc's swimsuit was another thing inspired by Hercule as well.

[@melz410]

I find it disturbing that a movie critic thinks that a detective being popular is betraying the genre somehow. Like bro, this is the genre

[@daarom3472]

Drinker was an honest critic that now has found an "audience" that makes him rich. So he creates what his audience wishes to hear and see.

[@1monki]

Yeah, I didn't even notice it for that reason. I kind of expect that people will know or have heard of the detective in these stories

[@daarom3472]

@@1monki yea exactly. Drinker is just trying to score points nowadays. All his questions about motivation could also easily be aimed at one of my most favourite films. For instance in LOTR Gandalf only discovers the existence of the Ring and that it passed to Isildur after Frodo got it, really?! And before he goes into the archive the 9 already leave Minas Morgul. How long was he reading for, and how did he make it back to Frodo before the Nazgul got there? Why didnt they use the army of the dead to first finish the rest of Sauron's force? Why didn't Sauron put a few guards around Mount Doom? How is it possible the entire garrison of Cirith Ungol almost to a man slaughters itself? The thing is I don't care, I love the story!

[@junethanoschurchill6750]

It’s almost as if drinking impairs one’s cognitive function

[@justaghostinthesea]

Hot damn!

[@kel-A-3414]

Ohh you thought you did something, huh? Well yes. Yes you did!😂

[@tuojiangoman3228]

Critical Dumb*** didn't think his username through. I could not have said what you said better.

[@TonyMontanaDS]

He's a very accomplished author and has 1.5 million subscriptions. He knows exactly what he is saying.

[@justaghostinthesea]

@@TonyMontanaDS The amount of subscribers does not mean you're smart.

[@cynd.9029]

My one and only problem with glas onion is Helen walking around on all that glass.. IN SANDALS 🙊

[@GrandmaLover69]

YEAH LIKE WTF! TAKE THOSE DAMN SANDALS OFF AND GO RAW DOG!

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Alcohol is a hell of a drug

[@Ixiah27]

Realy ? not that some asshole destroys the mona lise to spite and ruin someone ? That level of narcisistic doesnt bother you, you still cheer for that asshole ?

[@Ganymedia9]

Proof that CD is wrong: I watched this with my mom and when Miles handed Duke the drink, she called it out. Then when he lied and said the glasses were switched, she immediately realized that he was lying and that he was the killer. We didn't know why, and we didn't pick up on all of the bread crumbs, but the information was absolutely there for the viewer to notice. I though Daniel Craig was overacting and being weird for the first half of the movie and dismissed it as the sequel not grabbing the essence of the character, only to learn that Craig wasn't overacting but rather BLANC was acting weird to info gather. The bread crumbs were there, but were either overlooked or dismissed as part of the movie making process. It feels like CD just didn't pick up on these and instead of going "whoa, Rian really got me" went "I think I'm smart, so if I didn't notice these things then the movie must be the dumb one!"

[@MegaAndyGG]

Smart mommy!

[@TheGielth]

I was watching and I noticed the drink too, and I instantly thought that was gonna be important forward on the movie... And it was in deed...

[@jeremypnet]

I didn’t notice the drink on the first watch and I was looking out for it on the second. Also, you can see Duke’s phone in Miles’s back pocket and you can see him hiding the gun in the ice bucket and putting pineapple juice into Duke’s drink. All the breadcrumbs were there. Even the structure of the film was foreshadowed by Yo Yo Ma.

[@maevem316]

Had a similar problem with someone I watched the movie with, who complained the solution was too easy, while also admitting they hadn't figured it out until the end.

[@MarcAlcatraz]

the footage isnt played out like that, they literally shows Miles doing what he says. Your mother was just assuming that's what happened. then later its shown as a diffferent scene, if your mom called it its only becuase of the pineapple mention Duke gives and that's the reason he died. Just like the scene with Duke being spied on while spying on Miles is bullshit because it doesn't even show Andi's sister being there. The movie lies to it's viewer in the worst definition.

[@HappyGingerWolf]

19:01 there's a better explanation for this. The specific explosive that klear leaks is hydrogen gas (like hindenburg), the lightest gas that exists, so it floats to the top of the building and collects in the giant dome, therefore the biggest explosion happens there

[@playgroundchooser]

I'm only upset that it wasn't a blue explosion. Hydrogen burns clear or kinda a blue color. :)

[@GabbyIsFine]

The politician character even made the association to hindenburg a couple of times.

[@sonicpsycho13]

I worked in a lab that used hydrogen-helium plasma torches. The lab was located on the top floor of the building, so if the hydrogen leaked, it could be most easily vented. We also had a number of other safeguards, like the tank was in a cabinet that vented to the roof at all times.

[@deborroni]

That's a good point 😲

[@liamboote225]

@playgroundchooser Would have been really cool, though it may have taken people out of the scene. Even if a blue explosion is more correct, the general viewing public doesn't know that. So it may have taken people out of the movie thinking about how the explosion was blue, and that isn't a good thing in the climax of the movie. Though it would have been a really cool shot.

[@giglefreakz]

"What if X didn't happen?!" This can LITERALLY be said of every single story ever made. "What if Doc Brown didn't steal plutonium from the Libians?!" "What if Andy Dufresne was found innocent?!" "What if Thor had gone for the head?!" It is the most nothing piece of "criticism" you could every say about a story.

[@giglefreakz]

@@noahbritt8321 My favourite one with Star Wars is what if that one Imperial Officer hadn't forgotten droids existed and had just shot down Threepio and R2's escape pod.

[@cklempay17]

I don’t think that’s the worst way of criticizing a story, because there are plenty of times a story relies on random coincidence in order to advance the plot, and this is objectively a worse way to tell a story than creating a reason for it to happen, because it requires the audience to suspend disbelief further than they already have in order for the story to make sense. If it’s done once or twice relative to a much larger story, it’s very easy to forgive it as the story builder writing themselves into a corner. My understanding as to Critical Drinker’s reaction was that he was overblown by how often Glass Onion required - great deal of coincidences in order for the plot to advance as it did, and that that doesn’t excuse the story’s cheap tricks used to create a sense of mystery or suspense for the audience. At that point, I think it boils down to personal preference. I do think what the movie pulled was a bit of a one-trick pony, and so I enjoyed it as a one off idea of what a plot can be, but I wouldn’t want to see it repeated, and many would call what it pulled a “stunt”, and not an accomplishment.

[@narchist]

That criticism alone relies on every single character being a complete mastermind at planning and orchestrating so that their plans are never left up to chance or circumstance. Definitely one of the most braindead critiques. If X didn't happen, then clearly they would've went and done something else, not worth pondering it

[@giglefreakz]

@@cklempay17 "this is objectively a worse way to tell a story" No, it isn't. Who is the arbiter of what constitutes objectively good or objectively bad ways of storytelling? You aren't, The Critical Dumbass isn't and I'm not it either. Nobody is because there is no such thing as an objective standard for art. Also, do point out the coincidences you're talking about here, because it seems you and TCD are just throwing that term around without thought.

[@cklempay17]

@@narchistmaybe try writing smart characters then? Having the reason for a character failing be because they’re stupid doesn’t sound like a very compelling protagonist or antagonist

[@Nyaliva]

Right wing commentators: "Movies today always explain everything, they don't leave anything to the viewer because they assume the audience is stupid!" Also right wing commentators: "Glass Onion is badly written because it didn't explain things well enough!"

[@Ixiah27]

"Right wing commentators" Holy fuck, you dont even realize how indoctrinated you are, dont you ?

[@ethanstyant9704]

Even though in many instances it outright states things

[@katacutie]

​@@ethanstyant9704yeah I was never once confused at any moment. I was intrugued, (I had 2 different culprits in mind that changed during the movie) which is absolutely not the same thing.

[@iamacatinthejungle]

@martianproductions997 probably because most of the movies and series makes fun of them, so they simply don't pick it up on that

[@historicflame972]

I dare say it isn't even just them seems to be on the rise in general

[@markw1331]

I saw the Critical Drinkers’ video and was bemused when he complained about Benoit Blanc being a world famous detective, not long after referring approvingly to Agatha Christie, who’s detective Hercule Poirot was also world famous.

[@kattwillfindyou]

OMG like a "fictional world" could not exist in a movie.

[@toshiyaar7885]

That would be because the current one is nothing new and rides the coat tails of Agatha Christie etc. I still enjoyed it

[@Zarastro54]

@@toshiyaar7885By that logic, Christie was riding the coattails of Conan Doyle. A work being in a genre does not mean it is “riding the coattails” of previous works in the genre.

[@AceOfSevens]

The explosion was caused by hydrogen gas, which is lighter than air, so the idea it mostly goes the top of the house makes sense.

[@gajacome1]

Really? This has to be the stupidest thing I have ever read. By your logic during the hydrogen bomb test the fake cities around the explosion shouldn’t have been destroyed

[@AceOfSevens]

@@gajacome1 I don't think you know what a hydrogen bomb is. They do not work by igniting hydrogen gas, causing an implosion & would not be very effective if they did.

[@D2Kprime]

No it doesn't. The concussive-force of the explosion alone would be enough to kill everyone in the building. Most gas (especially Hydrogen) when ignited rapidly expand which it is why it is so dangerous. Trying too hard to disprove his take here.

[@briannawalker4793]

@@D2Kprime revisit the Hindenburg explosion (literally mentioned in the film) - the gas explosion is not what killed people; while they were flung up to 15 feet, the deaths were all either due to jumping out and dying in the fall or being burned up. Since the Glass Onion house is much less flammable than the Hindenburg, it's not unbelievable that the shitheads, Helen, and Bronn would have had time to escape before the fire grew hot enough or large enough to kill them on the ground floor.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

@@D2Kprime Also, hydrogen flames are clear. Visible flames occur when other stuff is burning alongside of it, like in the Hindenburg.

[@isaacs1959]

Regarding Blanc being recognizably famous: this is a common feature of many whodunit movies and TV shows. People were always recognizing Poirot like he was a celebrity (and Rian Johnson said he specifically models his movies after Agatha Christie books). Sherlock Holmes is often shown to be recognized as the most famous detective in the world, the name precedes the man. Even the Murder, She Wrote lady was constantly being recognized by people, and she was a writer from a tiny town.

[@DeusExProcella]

JB Fletcher was so famous, as soon as she strolled into town the local sheriff would follow her around like a puppy because they knew she'd solve the crime first lol

[@user-vc4bh2sw7h]

Poirot was even invited to places specifically because a murder was about to happen.

[@mist9818]

even miss marple that is suppose to be seen just as old countryside lady that likes to gossip is known by several investigators and police kkkkk and friend call her to help in murder cases too

[@EvilDMMk3]

@@user-vc4bh2sw7h more than that, the fact that someone claims not to know who he is is what tips him off in one story that they are the guilty party. He is so famous that he considers people not knowing who he is suspicious!

[@EvilDMMk3]

Jessica gets famous enough to be well known to the FBI

[@ogolthorp]

So Shapiro didn’t like it because it’s too formulaic and drinker didn’t like it because it went too far off the standard formula?

[@smilingearth5181]

A lot of Ben Shapiro's movie criticisms make more sense when you take into account he failed as a screenwriter.

[@FurTheWorkers]

About the wardrobe choices: it seemed like a clear homage to the Hercule Poirot movies to me, especially Evil Under The Sun. Also, just the Alot reference alone was worth a like

[@PanAndScanBuddy]

Evil Under The Sun is amazing.

[@paulinedunne3481]

i thought the romper kerchief look was a reference to fred from scooby doo tbh

[@Asherg0723]

Most of his criticisms boil down to “Why don’t they know when are in a movie”

[@Shorty_Lickens]

No, they're not. I mean most of his criticisms are not that. I know because I actually watched some of his vids unlike most other people here who watch vids about his vids.

[@jamalwalker04]

I have also watched this videos and the top comment sums it up dude is a hack with zero ability to actually critic and that's saying something when this platform also has cinema sins ​@@Shorty_Lickens

[@AnimatedTerror]

@@Shorty_Lickensyou’re right. His other criticisms are “why woman strong? Man strong. Woman not man. Woman not strong. Something something the message, left bad.” I watched his crap for years. It rotted my mind. Eventually though I grew up and realized the version of reality he is pitching as part of his grift only exists in the minds of 14 year old boys who haven’t had much life experience with real people in the real world.

[@Shorty_Lickens]

@@AnimatedTerror Umm, no he never said anything like that. And I dont believe you when you claim you watched his "crap" for years. I do believe you saw him misquoted elsewhere in hate videos and thats your impression of him. Get off the propaganda. Its not good. In fact in America we have about 70 million people eating the propaganda from Fox News and they voted for a fascist because it. Better to think clearly and make your own decisions.

[@Friendlyfirefish]

​@@Shorty_Lickens I use to watch his videos too. And then realised that he was talking about movies designed to get as many bums on seats and saying that's all of Hollywood. The guy is not that bright, or pretends to be so his fans pile in the money.

[@grimfandango5301]

I just watched a review of a review. What a time to be alive.

[@TheBioZombie]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4HWfoOfn8-tY80 A review of a review of a review.

[@musopaul5407]

For a moment, kind of made me feel like I didn't want to be alive anymore...

[@didinx8417]

Watch Mauler's review (EFAP) of Pillar of Garbage's review of Critical Drinker's review of 'Glass Onion'. What a world we live in today.

[@pandaman1331]

Just means there is nothing good to watch right now.

[@TheShanicpower]

@@didinx8417 No, I don't think I will.

[@LadyDoomsinger]

I used to like Critical Drinker - back when I thought he was doing a satirical parody, and the whole "ignorant drunk" bit was part of the act. I can't even describe what it felt like, the moment it dawned on me, that he was being serious.

[@pysq8]

It was somewhere around the woman Hulk for me 😅

[@danortiz2123]

poor you

[@matteobetti8559]

Yeah exactly

[@1979cavsfan]

She Hulk, with each episode costing $25M? She hulk was utter trash. @@pysq8

[@Steelix26]

So pretty much a discount CinemaSins?

[@TheAmityElf]

...Also, as for the point of "What if someone asked a question Helen didn't know the answer to but Andi should?" There was already a scene in which the characters have a conversation where Helen makes a noticeable mistake. The whole scene where she goes "You didn't even email me back!" and governor lady answers, "Yeah, I never say that kind of stuff in writing; that's why I called you." There's your example of Helen making a mistake Andi wouldn't make, but it didn't matter because she is walking around with Andi's face and knows better than to flounder around and make her deception obvious. Why would any of them guess that wasn't Andi when she looked like Andi and said that she was? Even if they knew she had an identical twin, the immediate conclusion will usually be "Andi is acting a weird, probably because she's still mad about what happened," not "That isn't Andi."

[@gregjayonnaise8314]

Also, Blanc knew that it would be difficult for Helen to pretend to be Andi. That’s why he explicitly covered up that Andi was dead and told Helen to act cold and brusque towards them. The Disruptors probably wouldn’t be wanting to make light conversation with the person they all betrayed anyway. Why would they “test” Andi to be sure that she’s the real one when they don’t know that she’s dead? And why would they expect Andi to be amicable towards them at all, especially to the point of making light conversation? It makes zero sense.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

Exactly. The whole point is, people can go to great lengths to convince themselves of something they want to believe, even disregarding information to the contrary, or their brain making up excuses. It happens all the time. Psychologists have written about confirmation bias, and how eyewitness accounts are often trash because human brains are not an objective video recording but we're constantly constructing a narrative of the world around us coloured by our biases, misremembering things, subconsciously rewriting our own memories by thinking back to them etc. In real life (or in a fictional story trying to depict real life) normally people do not walk around thinking like people playing a roleplaying game (like D&D) who are questioning everything the gamemaster tells them to look for "clues", or a schizophreniac who thinks everyone around them is secretly a shapeshifting alien.

[@carmageddonstein]

Also, I have a coworker that I've worked with for almost a decade and I constantly forget he has an identical twin because I have never met him and it doesn't come up that often. I've made jokes about them switching places and nobody noticing, but I think there's a legitimate chance I wouldn't notice if we just didn't interact much that day.

[@themudkip5295]

exactly. when you hear hoof beats, look for horses, not zebras.

[@emmajochum8682]

@@gregjayonnaise8314 It's also shown that the one Disrupter who *did* apparently know that she had a twin, was the one who wasn't the crunchiest chip in the bag. If Lionel or Helen knew about her having a twin, it might've clicked sooner. Or at least when they noticed she was acting different, but even then, that would be a stretch because they have no reason to suspect otherwise

[@pumpkyn904]

Critical Drinker always reminded me of my 11 year old step brother that, in the middle of the movie, will ask questions about what is going on *while the movie is currently answering that exact question.* He can’t get out of his own head enough to actually focus on and analyze what’s happening onscreen. Then, he bitches as if it’s somehow the movie’s fault that he has the patience and media literacy of an actual child.

[@arloc357]

Tbf he’s 11 and 11 year olds tend to be stupid a lot. CD is a grown man acting like he just came out of kindergarten

[@jamesmaxwell1940]

This is sort of a random note, but it reminds me of showing a good friend of mine the 1999 film Ravenous - and he's a big fan of Westerns, horror, and the idea of cannibalism in the Wild West - but he hated Ravenous because he kept complaining how "it doesn't make any fucking sense that Wendigos would exist in the Old West, wouldn't somebody else have figured it out by now and documented it?" It blew my mind how he couldn't get out of his own head and enjoy a film with all the right elements that's so creative, well made, and funny, just because he couldn't suspend his disbelif about the historical setting. As if the historical setting somehow invalidates the mythic aspect of the film, or vise versa. To his credit he ended up rewatching it and liking it more and admitting his initial take was wrong, but I was beyond shocked when he complained watching it the first time.

[@pumpkyn904]

@@arloc357 Oh you’re completely right lmao, don’t get me wrong I have nothing against an 11 year old for acting like an 11 year old. My stepbrother has media literacy proportionate to his age. CD does not.

[@83croissant]

Is your 11 year old brother my 69 year old mom ? Lol

[@hoyofan533]

@@arloc357 Man I wish I thought of that trash talk for Critical drinker 🤣

[@YourMazzter1]

I don't get how people forget that Miles didn't even send the invites. He hired a company to send the boxes. While it doesn't tell us, it can be implied he already planned for this getaway and those were already to be sent out anyways.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

Yes. The murder happened only like a day or two prior to the events at the island, hence why Blanc had been able to keep the media from learning of Andi's death and reporting on it... even Blanc said he wouldn't be able to keep it hush-hush for long. The murder was unplanned, improvised, a rash decision. But the fancy weekend must obviously have been planned for a longer time; the puzzle boxes with the invitations must've been commissioned months prior, as they took time to design and build and then they were sent out and couldnt be stopped.

[@maevem316]

Oh shit, I totally forgot about that. I kind of didn't like the "well, he did it to avoid suspicion" point, just because... he did have a recent falling out with Andi, is it that suspicious to not invite her after that? But I like this explanation quite a lot. At that point too, even if he thought to cancel it, it would definitely be suspicious to just stop Andi's, when her death hasn't been announced yet, because clearly it *wasn't* due to their falling out if he'd had it made after that.

[@adamjoestar2001]

The drinker is an open Elon fan, no wonder that he hates a movie critisizing his favorite billionaire

[@shinkaibara1025]

@@TF2CrunchyFrog The murder happened on May 11, and the events at the island happen on May 22, but yes, the point is totally correct, the boxes were delivered on May 13 and they were in the making for god knows how long before that.

[@FTZPLTC]

Miles refers to having a "puzzle guy" who apprenticed under Ricky Jay, which I thought was a nice touch. I missed the part the first time around where he mentions that his murder mystery was also written by someone else for him. That's one of the great things about it - when he needs to do something smart, he just orders in =)

[@mikehall7189]

He thought that Midsommer was an anti male movie, completely missing the point of the movie, that it was about how a vulnerable lady torn apart by grief was manipulated by a harmful cult.

[@andrewh2593]

Lmao. It IS anti-male. Most stuff today is. Anyway, there is a reason girls text "🔥🐻" if they don't like a guy. Go ahead. Ask one you know. She will confirm what I'm saying.

[@dabadshoes8658]

The movie was dogshit nonetheless anyway. Midsommar sucked as a movie and honestly I would rather watch stranger things it has far more competent story telling in mind.

[@TheNinthGeneration1]

@@andrewh2593 so is any movie where a guy ends up dead anti-male?

[@ShadowSonic2]

@@dabadshoes8658 Stranger Things hasn't been good since S1, and even that was contrived.

[@BillMan5000]

@@andrewh2593 how is it anti-male?

[@samuelbarber6177]

8:05 even the first set up that Blanc was at least well known to some people as both Joni and Linda had already heard of him, not to mention how Lt. Elliott described him as ‘the great Benoit Blanc’.

[@dlweiss]

Exactly, they even went out of their way to say that the New Yorker had done a whole COVER PROFILE on him recently, meaning that he's just become even MORE well-known to the general public in this world.

[@samuelbarber6177]

@@dlweiss not to mention he’s likely to be more well known as the death of Harlan Thrombey was probably a high profile case, after all, a celebrity Crime Novelist being murdered in a Whodunnit plot is bound to get an article or two.

[@alacnaythegreat1054]

Not to mention they learned about him from a profile in the New Yorker, in which he is described as "the last of the gentlemen sleuths". Even if you cannot accept the premise of detectives being a group who can obtain celebrity, it's established that he is a part of a dying breed. He's the exception, not the rule.

[@kanokarob]

It's also completely in-line with the established tropes of the genre that TCD claims to hold so near and dear--Hercule Poirot is world-renowned, as are many if not all interpretations of Sherlock Holmes!

[@nomanaleft8124]

Just look at the people he was playing Among Us with. Yeah he's well known.

[@yesitislikethat]

He questioned their stylish clothing? 😂 For one, they were going to their billionaire friend’s exclusive party. Secondly, it was like a mini vacation… on a private island, no less. Finally, the movie was set in 2020, with the pandemic as the backdrop. I think many people would get all dolled up after being cooped-up at home in PJs; quarantined or cut-off from other people for a while.

[@hamchurger4566]

Also like ive seen normal people wear what he critiques. Which was his main point that no one would actively wear what they wear.

[@Mish844]

CD is so whingy that a little scarf and a few stripes are enough for him to lose his shit. Really? I'd understand if it was a dress made out of, I dunno, bacon, but this?

[@yesitislikethat]

@@hamchurger4566 true!

[@yesitislikethat]

@@Mish844 right?! 😂 🥓👗

[@83croissant]

Not to mention Benoit Blanc is as queer as a two dollar bill and seems interested in fashion , due to his knowledge of Birdies career

[@aboi5]

I'm pretty sure the box being sent to Andi was explained by Miles when he said he commissioned the boxes months in advance. The box was well on its way to Andi way before the murder took place

[@kredonystus7768]

He's a millionaire and they're all hand delivered. He's not using Australia post.

[@aboi5]

@@kredonystus7768 He clearly made 5 boxes that took months to complete. He had always planned to invite Andi. My point is that he didn't deliver the box as some plan to cover his tracks but he always intended to invite Andi. Even the other characters aren't surprised that Miles would invite her, they're surprised she showed up.

[@Thommy2n]

@@aboi5 No, it was established as a last minute thing. When asked if he had any prototypes or duplicates that could have been sent to Blanc, “My puzzle guy was barely able get the 5 ready in time.” As in the barely 2 weeks between the time he killed Andy and when the Murder mystery getaway would take place. Sending a box to Andy’s home was just a smokescreen to make it look like he thought she was still alive and look like the bigger person (make it all the more easy to make a public statement being dismayed by her supposed suicide “I’m devastated! I didn’t know she was hurting that much, why I had just invited to a private getaway with old friends and hopefully mend fences, but I guess it was just too little too late” *crocodile tear* ). He didn’t even have enough time to have it properly be a getaway of just them, considering he had a friend outside of their disrupter gang just crashing in a spare room (something you’d think even he would have prepped for if he had planned it out) Because at the end of the day, he is not someone who is able to plan ahead. He only got as far as he did because he acted first and fast.

[@aboi5]

@@Thommy2n I could have sworn there was a scene where he mentioned the boxes took months to make but I recently skimmed over the movie and could not find it for the life of me. I guess I made it up or something.

[@johanliebert6000]

I just finished watching the film and no miles literally says 'my guys barely got 5 boxes in time' lol it's a garbage film

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

"I know what the answer to all these questions is gonna be, because the film straight up spells it out to us. ('It's just dumb!') Everything in this script that doesn't make sense is because the people involved were just really stupid." Congratulations, Critical Drinker, you *almost* understood the point of the movie! The murder plot, like the fancy energy infrastructure, like the house, like a glass onion, is needlessly complicated but also completely transparent, because it was designed by an idiot who thinks he's clever! The premise is literally spelled out in the title, and then explained in the movie in case anyone didn't understandthe deliberately ham-fisted metaphor!

[@1979cavsfan]

18 of the top 25 imdb user reviews are a 6/10 or lower...face it, the movie sucked. I suppose this PoG guy is going to make a video detailing how those 18 individuals got it all wrong and used bots to upvote their user reviews? LoL

[@notoriouswhitemoth]

@@1979cavsfan No one is telling you to like the movie. You are welcome to your opinion.

[@zannax351]

​@@1979cavsfanApparently people arent allowed to have different opinions about the same piece of media anymore, when did I miss that memo?

[@daelen.cclark]

⁠@@zannax351 It was never sent. The obsessive ones just like to mess with us. Best to just ignore them.

[@presc13nt]

@@zannax351 Omg ! This ! So much this !!! Glad people like you are still out there. Thought we were extinct.

[@koji6745]

So many of his points were LITERALLY ADDRESSED BY THE MOVIE, its like cinema sins, actively complaining *instead of listening to whats going on onscreen*

[@falconeshield]

Ding!

[@danicakelly2242]

With one critical difference: Cinema Sins never claims to be movie critics, only assholes. It was in their welcome to the channel video and everything.

[@tiagocosmos]

i freaking hate cinema sins.

[@Wejjow]

@@danicakelly2242 Most of the takes on Cinema Sins coincide with the creators' actual opinions about the movies they're sinning. The satire defense is just them giving plausible deniability whenever they get facts wrong or willfully misinterpret events to manufacture sins.

[@aureateseigneur5317]

@danicakelly2242 They can make that claim but there's enough actual criticism in their videos and their body of sork for me to not really believe then when they say that.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

I think what bothers me most is that so many media critics on YT just aren't intellectualy or aesthetically curious people. They think the sum total of criticism is watching something, and then explaining what happened, what they did and didn't like with some effort afforded as to why. And if you're lucky, a thinly veiled jab at some topical issue. But thats not what critique is nor is it what critics actually do. Critics read history, poetry, literature, art history, politics, philosophy and science to have as many threads upon which to pull and as many references or themes they might draw upon. Criticism is about discussion not judgement, analysis with discovery, withholding judgement is also very important and one must always be open to correction. A critic is not just an opinion-haver, but a fuller person. But alas, I feel like the core of whats wrong is that these YT reviewers have internalised the aesthetics of passing judgement without any of the 'wisdom' garnered through actual artisitc study and cultivation required to to make said judgement be any more than a brainfart.

[@PillarofGarbage]

I think ‘reviewing’ has a place in media discourse, even in criticism - but I do think it’s a shame how that sort of ‘reviewing’ seems to have subsumed this type of criticism in the popular consciousness, especially on KZbin. That being said, I think KZbin’s seen some really gifted creators turn out real, layered, beautiful criticism in a way that wouldn’t have been popular for most people even 15 years ago.

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

@@PillarofGarbage Yeh, I'm just really bummed-out knowing that all these trashy, reactionary half-baked review-bro anti-SJW types get way more views than anything else made in good faith and hard work.

[@bluee3348]

​@@PillarofGarbage I think Folding Ideas' work on Fifty Shades of Grey is a perfect example of this kind of actually INTERESTING media analysis that wouldn't've been possible on youtube(or anywhere, for that matter)a decade ago.

[@samniel]

It's been going on for years since media criticism on YT became all about "recap movie, make a few jokes, scream very loudly". At some point these "critics" were just looking for holes to pick apart which in many cases weren't actually holes but just rules of the medium. Or the very surface CinemaSins way of "make my script while watching a movie and anything that isn't immediately explained is a plot hole, but when it does get explained it's thinking your audience is dumb." In short, pushing content instead of engaging with the product.

[@notmbr]

what’re ur thoughts on RLM as media critic?

[@adama.7735]

I’m absolutely dumbfounded that The Critical Drinker cited Andi having a twin sister as an example of the movie’s supposed conveniences and contrivances. That’s the equivalent of saying “Boy, isn’t it convenient that Luke’s father happened to be a Jedi Master?” Seriously, what is even the complaint? Does he think twins don’t exist?

[@ivannas5540]

Exactly haha, it's not even much of a coincidence rather what actually makes the story able to happen to begin with lol

[@williamtimonen6814]

Isnt it funny how he is mad about Rian ruining Luke… Who it Also turned out had a twin?

yeah, twins are SJW propaganda or something, probably :D

[@rosswatson3993]

He criticizes that plot point because NOBODY knew she had a twin sister. That's a little convenient

[@supuchan]

@@rosswatson3993 Birdie knew, she even said so, but apparently forgot because she's dumb or didn't care

[@TroutBoneless]

it was only while watching this that I realized that Miles literally only came up with the idea of destroying the envelope when Lionel said "you didnt burn it?" you can see it in Miles' eyes that he realizes thats what he should have done, and then he does it later, like with the idea to put the gun on the table and turn out the lights

[@Adamdidit]

he also points to Lionel afterward all happy about it

[@tomasdetres1990]

Critical Drinker is one of those reviewers who think having a political or social commentary message and good writing are mutually exclusive In his view, if a movie is bad, (or he doesn't like it) it's 1000% because of diversity hiring, social commentary, ect.

[@indigo7220]

In reality he love politics in film, just not politics he disagrees with. And as we all know, disagreeing with something means it is objectively false

[@YanickaQuilt]

I just blocked the guy......he is not worth the bandwidth

[@Cinephilemo]

No. Im sorry i definitely agree with this video and the Critical Drinker did mess up. But there are countless instances of the Critical Drinker pointing out good things about stuff one might think is bad because of diversity hiring and social commentary and what not. Critical Drinker for the most part chooses the projects that mess up because of these things and yes that does happen a lot. And uses them a lot in his videos, which gives the illusion that hes just completely racist and sexist and etc. and that he just doesnt want any kind of diversity in movies ever.

[@saintsea-hat7891]

@@Cinephilemo because he is and he doesn’t. :)

[@tiagocosmos]

@@Cinephilemo a broken clock is still right twice a day. doesn't make it useful.

[@Mariopwnzu]

*Helen shows up on the island* *Miles immediately stabs her then explains he already murdered Andi so he knows it isn't actually her* Yeah he has a point that would've been a much better and more realistic direction for the movie to go

[@mcbean1]

Nah just let the person you murdered wonder around your house for hours and hours on their own....

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

@@mcbean1 This is a critical drinker alt account huh?

[@mcbean1]

@@itcouldbelupus2842 nope, nice try though

[@itcouldbelupus2842]

@@mcbean1 Ah, so just a fan who is stealing his personality. Almost sadder.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

Yeah, the murderer going "Hey, didn't I drug you and leave you to die just recently to make it look like a suicide?" in front of witnesses including a world famous detective would have been much smarter of Miles! /sarcasm

[@MilkyWayGrump]

I think that a lot of Drinker's problems with this movie can stem from one understanding of his perspective: Even when EXPLICITLY TOLD BY EVERY CHARACTER IN THE MOVIE that he's an idiot, Drinker still believes that Miles is supposed to be smart, and that Blanc/Helen/everyone else is just wrong about him. We could probably dig into why, but it's kind of irrelevant. All these criticisms are just him clinging to the idea that Miles should be smart enough to figure all these things out, but the *entire point of the movie* is that he isn't.

[@falconeshield]

He's probably an Elon fanboy

[@krank23]

That seems to be the problem with a lot of right-wing weirdos and this film. In their worldview, people like Miles (and Elon) are super geniuses worthy of praise, because they're rich and they also agree with at least some of the right's ideas. They can't fathom the idea of a rich person not being worthy of their riches. The entire point of their worldview is hierarchy - the "natural order" of capitalism basically. I often think of it as a kind of theology of prosperity, or maybe just a cargo cult thing. They see "success"; defined as having lots of money, and they think some action or innate ability of the successful prson led to that success. They want to believe success is something you get if you deserve it. That the world is just, and controllable. hat it's all not just an unfair shit show. So this move really spits in their eye and it will probably be a long time until they're able to let it go.

[@MilkyWayGrump]

@@falconeshield like I said, we could speculate on why, this is incredibly likely, but its ultimately besides the point

[@vonniestewart4416]

white man NOT genius??? too woke

[@korokleafgaming6863]

No, its that the “Miles is stupid” argument doesn’t work for everyone else in the film being belligerently stupid.

[@lavenderhoney7310]

7:14 Hercules Poirot? Sherlock Holmes? Two of the most famous fictional detectives and they’re both famous in their respective universes

[@Max-om7bk]

I was just thinking this! famous detectives is a fucking genre trope my guy lolol

[@maxacorn]

I have a famous detective in my novel. People know who he is by his rep alone.

[@BlazeMakesGames]

his form of criticism seems to be the most basic level of "how dare every character not act perfectly rationally at all times with perfect recall and also all of the information that the audience knows even though they don't know that!" Like if this guy was playing D&D he'd complain about not being able to kill the rogue who out of character stated he's an assassin because he doesn't understand the difference between what the audience knows and what the characters know. Characters are in fact allowed to act irrationally and with flaws. It's not a plothole if Miles doesn't immediately sus out exactly what's going on and have an answer to every problem that comes his way. It's doubly not a plot hole when the entire film is literally about him being a moron!

[@jeremyusreevu237]

The thing is, there's a difference between a character being intentionally stupid and unintentionally stupid.

[@BlazeMakesGames]

and he doesn't seem to understand that. His level of criticism is like complaining that Drax doesn't understand metaphors and idioms in Guardians of the Galaxy and calling that a plothole because why would anyone not understand that.

[@shinkaibara1025]

Thing is, sometimes this sort of criticism it is founded. I remember some of the recent Star Wars themed series that had blatantly silly parts , such a base that had no security because "nobody would dare to attack it", or Boba Fett wanting to rule a city using like half a dozen men and refusing to fight from their fortress to go for a much more dangerous fight in the city to protect the people from killers that...were after them. Legitimate plot contrivances where I think there's a case for not being able to buy into the premise of the work of fiction and call the writing 'lazy' and all that jazz. And I am not above the MST3K approach of just taking the piss out of something, as long as you know that it's only for fun. To me it is pretty obvious that when this devolves into questioning with moral indignation the wardrobe choices and plot points in a super-tropey meta-wuddunit , something is wrong.

[@Vivi_9]

I enjoy his content but literally every video he does now is "SJW bad" guy doesn't seem to enjoy anything except the sound of his own boozed up voice these days

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

Agreed. The thing is, we as the audiences are accustomed that the eye of the camera shows us the truth, unless it's a Found Footage genre or the movie clearly features an Unreliable Narrator by either literally having the story told by a (biased) 1st person narrator character or (like in the first couple Harry Potter movies) only ever showing events from the narrow point of view of a single character who isn't always present at events and lacks certain informations. Here, we were at first led to believe the camera shows us the audience true & unfiltered events, because the movie starts out by showing us multiple characters during the teaser and only later switches to following Benoir Blanc around for a while, until it switches to Helen and Blanc. But the first _Knives Out_ movie had also misdirected the audience by initially not giving the audience the complete picture, instead showing events from the point of view of certain characters and presenting their (false) conclusions! So why was anyone surprised when _Glass Onion_ did the same thing? Other "murder mysteries" tales have misdirected the viewers or readers before, it's not a new thing. The only detective show that is famous for showing the audience right at the start who the killer is, during the teaser, is _Detective Columbo._ The Columbo series is not about the audience figuring out who the murderer is, but the thrill of watching Columbo figure it out and leading the murderer into a psychological trap to give themselves away.

[@rheawelsh4142]

The reason half the clips are washed out is almost certainly because he accidentally pirated an HDR version of the movie for the clips, realized halfway through making the video that displaying HDR content in an SDR medium makes it washed out as hell because the variable brightness and wider color gamut correct for that, and was too lazy to fix the parts he had already edited

[@Calhasnopals]

Stuff like this is even funnier when you remember Duke was a “Mens rights KZbinr”. It’s like Poetry, really, it writes itself

[@saintsea-hat7891]

It uh. It rhymes

[@EnemyToad]

@@saintsea-hat7891we’re only two or three degrees of separation away, you basically had to say it

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

the best thing about this is how normies are forced to care about all the things they never cared about before like integrity, truth, facts, etc. if only they weren't massive hypocrites, then maybe i could take them seriously. but since they're just as bad as they accuse everyone else, i'll keep laughing at all the heads exploding from that review

[@sonicman9910]

@@cagneybillingsley2165 cope

[@astronova6150]

@@cagneybillingsley2165 ok cagney billingsley

[@noonewillreadthis2519]

"Honest it's really convenient that oxygen exists, very convenient"

[@FailcopterWes]

With the gun and the notepad stopping it, the whole thing makes a lot more sense when you realise he's shooting through a window. That'll slow the bullet and change it's course, leading to less penetrative power. Add into that the fact he's firing one handed, probably because he thought that's how you do it, and at a target that's nearly side-on when he actually fires, it's more amazing that he even hit her at all.

[@PillarofGarbage]

A great point!

[@ajerqureshi6411]

Even with all that said...it's a pretty dang popular trope in movies...and it was somehow used effectively enough to avoid feeling like a cliche. You're watching a movie where you're allowed to suspend disbelief.

[@snorpenbass4196]

It is, in fact, stormglass - hardened glass that isn't considered bullet resistant, but is made to withstand heavy weather. That's why the camera zooms in on the characteristic spider-web pattern formed by the bullet-hole. And yeah, stormglass might not be "bullet-resistant", but it will absolutely weaken a 9mm bullet.

[@mike_ere]

I don't know anithing about guns, but a waterproof gun has to have less penetration power than a good one. For me it felt like Duke's gun was more of an accessory rather than a weapon.

[@justaghostinthesea]

@@mike_ere Which is very in-line with his character, a guy who acts tough but really isn't.

[@barnabykane4515]

18:40 Pretty sure that when Claire and Lionel are at the pool discussing Klear they mention how Klear produces a lot of hydrogen ala the Hindenburg disaster. Because of the bouyancy of diatomic hydrogen, heat of combustion is released upwards rather than filling a space. That's why the glass onion explodes but not the people inside. I guess you could argue that falling glass would have severely wounded some of the guests but if we're going in that direction might as well criticize every action movie to be released in the last forty odd years.

[@alexander_markovski]

We love-hate the movie trope of ✨plot armour✨

[@ignaciodiazmoore]

Also, the fire extractor on thr chimney is what explotes. The extractor went up, right to the Onion. Why? IDK, but you can justify everything with the "Miles Bron is an idiot" and it works

[@talkinggibberish]

Ive seen a few people say "If he killed her, why doesnt he respond stronger"... but like... he doesnt REALLY know that she is dead. He drugged her with sleeping pills and left her in her running car. Its reasonable that he thinks she may have survived it. and is now trying to figure out why shes here. if shes trying to get revenge. etc.

[@WhatsTheTakeaway]

That's head cannon, and a big problem with this movie. A lot of audiences filling in the blanks.

[@cheapPixel]

@@WhatsTheTakeaway Not everything has be explicitly said. You're given a set of scenes and context and a logical person could've concluded that Miles thought his murder attempt failed.

[@shinkaibara1025]

You think it is head canon that of all the possible methods of the murder, they picked one where he would not actually see her die? And it is explicitly mentioned that he did not.

[@familyrowbottom1956]

@@WhatsTheTakeaway the film explicitly states that the killer chose that method so they wouldn't have to watch her die when blanc and helen are discussing means and motive

[@amk4MK]

@@WhatsTheTakeaway have you never heard of the saying "if you don't see a character die on screen they're not really dead"? i think that might help you contextualise the scene better instead of writing it off as a head canon :)

[@DragonFae16]

Every time a clip of the Drinker complaining makes me go 'have you never seen a murder mystery movie before?' Everything he complains about are long-standing parts of murder mystery stories.

[@Misora7303]

Some of them are also so on the pop culture that you can see them in kids shows like Scooby Doo, is like he didn't watched anything ever

[@jodo2785]

Bro what? Knives Out and Glass Onion clearly presented the antagonist immediately. There's no "mystery" . . . everyone with functional brain cells knows the bad guy because it's so overtly implied, if not shown. You didn't know who the murderer was on the Orient Express until halfway through the third act. KO and GO are completely the opposite. They are campy, over the top, ripoffs. Lazily written copies. The cinematography is incredible though. Rian Johnson should just stick to that particular job.

[@ANTIStraussian]

​@@jodo2785glass onion didn't seem lazily written to me. More like very detailedly

[@jodo2785]

@@ANTIStraussian I can make a very "detailed" art piece . . . of paint drying. It's still boring and devoid of any creativity or entertainment value. The cinematography is great. That's the only talent Rian Johnson actually has. But a movie, especially a mystery detective whodunnit movie, requires amazing writing and believable dialogue. Glass Onion fails completely in those areas.

[@Misora7303]

@@jodo2785 it is ok if you don't like it but I think it did it very gracefully if a little slow at the beginning, is fun and easy to understand, it doesn't have to be a masterpiece to be good, it is competent and clear in it's intentions

[@adronaut]

Finally someone is calling out Critical Drinker for his lazy misunderstanding of every film with depth

[@lordhoot1]

I am shocked, shocked that a KZbinr with a ThatGuyWithTheGlasses style gimmick name and a persona that would have been cringe in 2008 (ooh he drinks Jack Daniels? That's one edgy 40 year old man alright) turns out to be an artistically illiterate outrage clown.

[@ihatetheheat4524]

Not every film. Some films are just bad and make no sense. And there ain't nothing wrong with calling them out

[@PandaCake978]

@@ihatetheheat4524 yeah, but if you keep approaching movies with that mindset (motivated by video view count) you start looking for things to call out.

[@AntonioFelipePitta]

@@PandaCake978 exactly! Every single movie have some coincidences or convenient things that happen because it is a movie after all. If you watch a movie with the explicit intent to don't like it and find its flaws, then that's what'll get even if you have to make them up to justify your feelings.

[@ihatetheheat4524]

@@PandaCake978 I can't blame him though. Once I started thinking too hard about the movie, I started not liking it

[@andrewbrasfield1104]

What he’s calling “coincidences” actually have a special term in the movie making business. It’s called the “plot”

[@friendlyneighborhoodvampir9081]

A plot can be logical and not rely on coincidences so heavily. It's called "cohesion".

[@alexgeerts6404]

@@friendlyneighborhoodvampir9081 but that cohesion is formed by the result of coincidences. Coincidences happen that push the plot into a direction that then continues due to cause and effect.

[@poohjan]

My god. What a novel idea.

[@yannicklarafunez4768]

@@alexgeerts6404 Why did Loki take the tesseract? Why did the DEA guy show up the exact moment Mathilda decided to go buy milk for Leon? Why were tickets to the titanic in the pot of the poker game that Jack won? Every fucking movie in existence starts on some form of coincidence because that is how life works. All nature is is a set of coincidences that result in the current state of reality.

[@FlyingFox86]

Actually, this doesn't just happen in movies, but in real life as well. I just went to the kitchen to see if there still was a toffee penny left in my box of quality street. There was! If there wasn't one, I wouldn't be enjoying a toffee penny right now. What an incredible coincidence!

[@nedzed3663]

Status Quo Warriors like screeching Scrooge McDuck are where context and media criticism goes to die. These people have made online reviewers a laughing stock more unintentionally funny than informative, and I hate that.

[@snorpenbass4196]

Hey! ...Scrooge McDuck actually has a brain. Even though he's a horrible capitalist. 😉

[@skodware]

"Status Quo Warriors" is a good phrase need to steal that one

[@nedzed3663]

@@snorpenbass4196 Just the absolute worst, capitalist. Watch Duck Tales or read some older Uncle Scrooge comics, he's awful

[@nedzed3663]

@@skodware Go ahead

[@falconeshield]

Who takes Star Wars fans seriously with guys like this?

[@twoczents]

I did a presentation on this guy in a communications class in college for my topic on plausible deniability. When I was finished, my teacher wanted me to clarify if this was indeed a real person. Also, as someone who watched some of his reviews, yes. He deliberately leaves stuff out. Why? Your guess is a good a mine.

[@arun_gaming1426]

Exactly, u said it well ! He seriusly leaves out stuff, for him everything is woke and hence that is all wrong !

[@carteljameson8395]

@@arun_gaming1426 Funny that you say he thinks everything is woke considering 2 days ago, he made a video disproving that accusation.

[@megaham1552]

Because he panders to a certain crowd that's why

[@ThisIsCool45]

@@megaham1552 what group? You should weed them out if you don't mind doing so

[@bobtom2633]

@VideoAmigos Children and the brain dead.

[@era_s]

"I watched this movie with my brain off, exclusively looking for things to hate," is an odd perspective for a movie reviewer to take. This person's life must be pretty grim, if this is what he chooses to do with his time.

[@Carabas72]

Or possibly "I watched this movie while listening to a podcast and playing WoW in another window because I already wrote most of the script after watching a few other 'reviews' and reading the wiki page".

[@shinkaibara1025]

I mean, he does obviously make a good living from it and the writing career and he built a fairly successful recognizable gimmick. Which means that he needs to 'sell' a certain product, unfortunately.

[@saintsea-hat7891]

He watched Benny boy’s video and made it slightly different so the teacher wouldn’t catch him copying homework

[@salvietesta6806]

if i had that guy's laugh, sense of humor and just overall personality i'd be feeling pretty damn grim myself

[@cosmicspacething3474]

In all honesty I think the drinker, especially as of recent has become so cynical that he’s just given up, and lumped all modern Hollywood movies into the same bin because he expects the same mindless trash as the norm so he doesn’t bother to think much of it anymore. (Hollywood always had a lot of trash and always will)

[@bluecloud4652]

The moment Duke started choking, all I was thinking was "Did someone put pineapple in his drink?" And it was proven right when Blanc didn't find anything obstructing his airway. But when Miles saw that it was his glass on the floor and suspected that it was poison, I thought "Oh it must've been poison I guess I was wrong". I gave Miles too much credit because that's what everyone else around him did all the time. I didn't notice the handoff myself, which is what led to my assumptions. Now does this mean I missed some details and therefore didn't see the full picture, or that the movie is bad?

[@Mish844]

if you were a little more, I dunno, arrogant or narcisistic, like the folks in critic-wannabe-circlejerk then it would be the latter

[@Spamhard]

Miles managed to full on gaslight me and I loved it. I'd noticed the glass hand over, didn't think much beyond "weird way to take a drink". After the talk of glass switches I remembered the scene, but then Miles swiftly explained Duke must've picked up the wrong glass, and the scene that played during his explanation backed up what he was saying. It made me doubt my memory and despite being sure I'd not quite remembered it like that, I still went along with what he said. Literally played into the point of the movie, I loved it. TCD can complain the scenes are 'lying' all he wants, but unreliable narrators are a really fun way to play with your audience imo, and this movie didn't only show the 'wrong' scene, it showed the audience both and relied on them seeing it and remembering the true one. If a movie like this only ever showed 'wrong' scenes without giving the audience any chance to see the truth, I'd agree it'd be a piss poor way to make a film, but both Knives Out and Glass Onion give everything you need to see, nestled between unreliable narrators. And imo it's always oibvious which scenes are from unreliable narrators due to always having them voice over it.

[@AfutureV]

@@Spamhard The propose of an unreliable narrator is defeated if there is only one scene in the whole movie that lies. I do not think you can say voiceover is an indication of unreliability, then that means the whole recap of Andi was unreliable too.

[@AfutureV]

Worlds greatest detective does not analyse the glass? That does not line up

[@Victor-qx3vx]

It means the movie intentionally and successfully deviate your attention from what Miles was doing. Miles himself points out to Birdie’s dress as a way to make Duke and everyone else look away as he hands his victim the glass.

[@Scrimmified]

"What if one of the group had asked Helen a personal question that she should've known the answer to but didn't" This also quite literally happens and the characters say to each other that something's off about Andi and that she's changed. It's kind of an important scene too, the one that reveals that all 4 of the disrupters were at her house the day of her murder. Not to mention she only keeps the act up for a single day, and most of it is spent purposefully not talking to the group so she doesn't blow her cover. I've never heard of this Critical Drinker guy before but it's kind of embarrassing how much he flat out did not pay attention to this movie he's criticizing.

[@waterywingz]

Yup! She specifically made herself hard to approach so no one would approach her n start up a sweet trip down memory lane. It’s like this guy needs movie story-tellin to b spoon-fed to him or something. “Mommy~ y do these ppl all dress so flashy n not like me & my friends? 🥺” “Cuz we’re middle class and they’re not, baby~”

[@carltontaylor6500]

Also….they’re college friends, what super personal question would they ask that they would know and HER SISTER wouldn’t know?

[@jackj9816]

I normally like his content but think he fucked up here

[@Ben-xq8gg]

She also read through Andis diaries

[@tobithetabby6376]

Critical is the new Cinema Sins when it comes to film criticism

[@Oscar-dc4ur]

It’s insane how much of a following he has

[@cleverpsyche115]

Funny enough, CinemaSins also complained about some of the same things in their video, like Miles not burning the napkin.

[@mhawang8204]

YES! CinemaSins ruined a generation of moviegoers…if they even saw the movie first. 😡🤦‍♀️

[@scratwichman]

Cinema Sins is literally satire of people like critical, too many people think they’re serious. They often say they’re a parody of the overly nitpicky nerd from the Simpsons. Listen to their podcast where they talk normally about movies and have a genuine passion for film.

[@AnessaSellsHouses]

At the very least, CinemaSins literally said they're not critics, but "assholes". Critical Drinker thinks he is his namesake.

[@Dotexclamationmark]

Yknow, I'm glad that Drinker did this. I needed a reminder that I'm smarter than a pile of bricks

[@PillarofGarbage]

very nice comment

[@jamesmaxwell1940]

His awful Glass Onion take is making me wonder how many of his older videos (e.g. the Ghostbusters 2016 scene comparison) were simply analyses he'd read off the Internet and wrote into an incisive video essay. His Glass Onion video is embarrassing and seems to show that he's not actually as media literate as he presents himself to be.

[@lead6186]

@@jamesmaxwell1940 his midsommar video is among them.

[@dylanwight5764]

@@lead6186 Somehow his Annihilation review was worse.

[@fromgreattobrilliant922]

​@@lead6186gosh, his Midsommar video is abysmal. He completely missed the point of that film.

[@MadameTamma]

Remember everyone, realism is a writing style. It’s not a point against a story if it makes the choice to implement a different style throughout its run time. 👍

[@rosecity_chris]

Imagine if every story ever written was only based in our own reality/world...how boring.

[@itsyaboiroy5558]

@@rosecity_chris yeah xD

[@vincegalila7211]

@@rosecity_chris reality does get extremely crazy when it does go crazy.

[@deboxmojave6541]

A very good point. Something that is easy to overlook too. We often project an idea from our current outlook

[@katsuragirin6168]

It is a mystery film, not a fantasy one, so it needed to ground in reality

[@robertwinslade3104]

Critical Drinker sometimes has some very legitimate criticisms of the movie and tv industries but he leans so insufferably hard into his "anti-woke", culture war BS that he twists himself in knots and completely misses the point of some media in order to keep on pandering to the audience he has cultivated

[@MegaAndyGG]

Yes, he is basic Trump fan. But sometimes his reviews are good.

[@kenji3009]

He had, a long time ago, and had some really fun videos at that time. Now is just shiting on everthing "woke" and geting stupid people views...

[@TimmyStreams]

It’s so painful to see he does have legitimately good takes (loves his Ragnarok vs Love and Thunder scene video) but it’s so drowned out with garbage like this

[@cmdrjanjalani]

Methinks CD always lets his political biases get in the way of doing a proper review. I prefer apolitical reviews because clowns like him tend to overcriticize as he needs to spin "woke Hollywood" to be utterly incompetent. He's just slightly above his ilk who barely even watch the things they bash because he seems to actually try to watch the whole thing, but he wants so bad to hate it because, you know, Rian Johnson is an anti-woke punching bag.

[@theblackflame4002]

Over the last couple of years that audience has become the mouth breathers and incels of the web

[@GoatThatWasALamp]

The Drinker is an interesting character to me. He’s someone who genuinely knows how to parse out why he likes the films he does. When he exults a film, he does so eloquently and thoughtfully and I even discovered some of my favorite films as a result of him. On the other hand, he is so thoroughly closed minded that he can’t differentiate a movie that he doesn’t like for some personal hang up versus a genuinely bad movie, and in his brain they are the exact same things. It’s almost like the Nostalgia Critic where the man can make excellent video essays but truly falls apart when it comes time to critique a film or (god forbid) make one

[@ak96ful1]

The Nostalgia Critic's Logan review is the worst I have ever seen

[@GoatThatWasALamp]

@@ak96ful1 oh see in my mind, the Nostalgia Critic sublimated into a ball of plasma and dissociated after his review of The Wall. I’m actually afraid if the Logan review is worse than that monstrosity

[@CabezasDePescado]

Tell me of one youtuber that does movies reviews that actually knows about what its talking about. Logan is meh btw overrated for sure..

[@cringekiller348]

Critical drinker is delusional

[@bobholt6217]

Anyone who finds joy in this era of modern cinema is part of the problem.

[@hankscorpio1973]

FYI - Klear is made of hydrogen, which is lighter than air. That is why the flame is immediately sucked up. As such, any explosion of hydrogen would start at the top of the structure and then go UP and OUT, leaving those standing below it relatively unscathed.

[@ashdean3474]

Gonna admit, I didn't realize this, so I was also confused how they survived. But I just sorta shrugged, because it was fun.

[@RobbieLeib]

I had a problem with the gun. Once Helen was shot, nobody seemed concerned that a) there was still a loaded gun somewhere in the island, and once the group was starting to realize it was Miles, nobody seemed as frightened as you would be that a double-almost-triple murderer was in their midst…who might be armed!

[@rivkahhaubner7498]

I can get behind that critique. I liked glass onion, and I find it to be a good movie. I also know it has flaws. No movie is perfect after all

[@silkydarkling9433]

That's a good point. It could be though, that the gun was actually out of ammo after Miles shot Helen. If I recall, I believe that the gun was shot 6 times throughout the movie's runtime. I'm not an expert on handguns at all, and the magazine in that handgun could probably hold more than 6 bullets, but that was my thought when I questioned why no one panicked about the gun being missing towards the end.

[@midgetwars1]

Because Miles had no motive to kill them, he had them all under his Golden Tit. And when the money ran out, what's he gonna do? Commit a murder spree against everyone? He either had to kill all of them or keep them quiet or lose. And he lost

[@PramkLuna]

I had the same concern too, that Miles would pull the gone out again until I realized this dude would have never thought of it because he's just that dumb and nobody mentioned using it again until after he left it behind

[@kurciqs8355]

instead of being concerned with HELEN SURVIVING BEING SHOT BY THE BULLET HITTING A THIN BOOK AND NOT PIERCING THROUGH IT. lmao

[@hilarysmith6720]

I watched several analysis/review videos about this movie, so the almighty algorithm suggested his right after I'd watched yours. I literally turned it off 45 seconds in, because he so clearly had no idea WTF he was talking about. So so happy that you actually made it through the whole thing and tore it apart so succinctly and intelligently.

[@amandacardoso4417]

The same thing happened to me, never had heard of the guy before. Left the video 30 seconds in.

[@RogueAstro85]

The "I guess detectives are celebrities" point is so stupid. Anyone who ends up being a prominent figure in a high profile media even is going to get recognized. That's like saying "I guess mateur lawyers are celebrities now" about Robert Kardashian a few years after the OJ trial

[@youradhere3476]

my only reaction to that bit was "'world-famous detective' is literally a trope, this guy's a clown lol"

[@ethanlappin]

@@youradhere3476 exactly, that's Sherlock Holmes' whole deal for crying out loud yet I don't see him calling that out

[@CharlieBrownZero]

Name one high profile real-world detective.

[@ethanlappin]

@@CharlieBrownZero it's a *fiction* trope, they don't exist in the real world but they don't have to

[@rakino4418]

@@CharlieBrownZero name one real high profile jedi.

[@alexc5156]

Critical reminds me of a guy that would say "Your feelings are irrelevant" while critiquing things with biases because he hates "wokeness" Dude must be a blast at the parties he's not invited to

[@JC-yy8iv]

“Facts don’t care about your feelings (only mine)”

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

Your feelings don't exist.

[@pretends2know]

One of the funniest things for me is that even if the Critical Drinker was right about the big lie, Rian Johnson has been tinkering with how scenes are remembered in both The Last Jedi and Knives Out 1. This isn’t new, and at the end of the day, it’s just another nitpick of saying a writer can’t do X thing effectively when 1) you can and 2) it can be done effectively.

[@calvinjohnson6242]

I do think that when they show the scene where Duke picks up the glass, it feels like dishonest film making. I have rarely seen a flashback completely lie like that. It almost ruined the film for me, because it was the most important detail in the film. At the end, Blanc says we fell for Miles lie, but that’s not true. I fell for the *filmmakers* lie. I don’t think that’s a good idea for a murder mystery film.

[@zandytheaxiom8015]

Brick, Looper, The Last Jedi, Knives Out, and now Glass Onion have ALL played with character perspective. Rian Johnson is fascinated by the camera versus characater perspectives in the same way Nolan is fascinated by the concept of time.

[@PhoenixFire2]

@@calvinjohnson6242 In the original scene, Miles hands Duke the glass. I remember because I thought it was strange that Miles made a drink then gave it to Duke The film didn't lie. MILES lied, saying Duke must have picked up his glass by mistake. Miles, in that scene, is trying to deflect from his own guilt. The fake flashback where Duke picks up Miles' glass from the table is what Miles WANTS everyone to think. That the glass was poisoned, and the poison was meant for him. But what ACTUALLY happened is that Miles poisoned Duke. The film shows us the objective truth first, then it shows us a lie made up by the murderer, then Benoit Blanc literally says "what did we actually see?" and it shows us what the film originally showed us.

[@errwhattheflip]

@@calvinjohnson6242 Originally, they show Miles giving the class. Miles then gives a misdirect that Duke picked up his glass

[@nicolefermor]

@@calvinjohnson6242 the original scene shows miles giving duke the glass. then the alternate scene of duke grabbing miles glass plays when blanc points out miles lied. it seems to me you misremembers the original scene since miles lied, just like the characters.

[@matthewschwan7127]

There was a group of right-wing grifting film critiques (including this d-bag) discussing the original Knives Out a few years back. They were grasping at straws the entire time. One of their criticisms was that they couldn’t believe that surveillance on video would be wiped by a magnet that easily. They continued to trash Johnson and call him an idiot, all the while one of them did some research and found out that it is that simple to wipe out videotape footage and they had no idea how to react to that information. One of the funniest things I’ve ever seen.

[@Gchildwarrior]

Their little heads exploded 😂

[@WillWatches]

“It’s a dangerous thing to confuse speaking without thought for speaking the truth.”

[@kronozord8346]

He should have ended the video with taht line and dropped the mic :D

[@darthterror2840]

@@kronozord8346 What line? 😏

[@MrPerpenticular]

I didn't think that line was all that clever. People have been spouting nonsense since language was invented. It's acting without thought that is dangerous.

[@Steamplague]

That’s exactly what I thought when Pillar started talking.

[@murk4552]

@@Steamplague same when that pseudointellectual shite CD misses what makes fiction work everytime

[@bilbobaggins3590]

Also, on the "fake scenes to mislead the audience" (the main problem I had with the movie at first), it is reasonable within this universe, considering the flashback scenes from Knives Out, where each time someone talks about their relation to Harlan, it's them that are next to him when the cake is brought to the party, as in everytime there's a flashback, we'll see it according to the story the person is telling, whether it's true or not (also, even if you consider that this movie should stand alone on it's own, in the pineapple glass scene, we see how it really happened the first time right away, so it was up to you paying attention)

[@argentosportsanalysis6011]

also only the flashbacks are different, if you rewatch the movie looking out for specific details, you'll see that Miles hands Duke the glass, and after Duke dies Miles has Duke's phone in his pocket

[@ConductiveFoam]

Bingo!

[@nathansmiddy732]

Critical Drinker is a hack who embodies the Dunning-Kruger effect. Glad to see some content putting him on blast.

[@chiip90]

Why does he purposefully misrepresent the movie? Easy; Critical Drinker isn't a film critic. He's part of the right's culture war who does so by promoting certain films and rubbishing certain films according to his politics. He always has been.

[@yapp2yapp2]

Yeah. Its not a coincidence that when you watch a shitty drinker review you’re promoted daily wire, maga propaganda, anti trans disinformation. It wouldnt suprise me if he was funded by frackers like ben is.

[@MrNavidad]

The dude is definitely a critical drinker and not a critical thinker

[@jamesavis1]

Congratulations on understanding the joke

[@thesteelsquid863]

​@@jamesavis1Yeah, it's funny because it's true 💀

[@jamesavis1]

@@thesteelsquid863 If this is good humour to you then I doubt your critical thinking skills.

[@lamarhenderson8058]

"Look into the clear centre of this glass onion. The Critical Drinker is an idiot! "

[@justaghostinthesea]

This. *This is good.*

[@nailinthefashion]

Imagine thinking drinking makes you edgier and a more reliable source lmao

[@Adamdidit]

Tyrion catching strays.

[@Zelveth]

The way Critical Drinker ends literally every sentence with what I can only describe as a vocalized "..." is so painfully annoying

[@VitaeLibra]

Thats the drunk part I fear...

[@maxrobinson4835]

So glad someone talked about this review!! I could tell from his tweets he completely missed the point of the film

[@alexanderwinn9407]

He didn’t miss the point, he chose to misrepresent it. This wasn’t some good-faith misunderstanding, he’s a troll who specifically aims for controversy and divisiveness.

[@elvingearmasterirma7241]

@@alexanderwinn9407 I blame CinemaSins for this

[@MegaAndyGG]

@@alexanderwinn9407 well, he is Trump fan so what can you except lmfao.

[@shinkaibara1025]

@@elvingearmasterirma7241 Eh, Cinemasins at least does not pretend that the points are based on fact and logic and whatnot or gets on a soapbox about the state of the industry and society and whatnot. it's fine to take the piss out of things that happen on screen, but to do that and think you actually made a relevant statement is rather silly.

[@mcameron6031]

Lol, I love the criticism to CD.....it's not addressing his points its all " well he a trump supporter so he's wrong about movies" Get a life

[@samidayal5408]

The drinker is a guy who thinks he’s a lot smarter than he really is

[@RictusHolloweye]

I suspect it's more of a case of Critical Drinker pandering to his audience. For example, I watched his review of Midsommar where he complained about all the male characters being portrayed as bad and all the women portrayed as good. After watching the movie for myself, I found myself wondering if it was the same movie Drinker was talking about... because his review had very little correlation to the movie itself. Then I realised that much of his audience would either not see the movie for themselves, or just watch it with their preconceived opinions and refuse to accept anything on screen that didn't accord with that. Yep, I think the Drinker knows what he's doing, and he's profiting from a lot of people who want their prejudices reinforced by people like him.

[@zz8az]

For that out of context interview, you can even tell from her tone its a sort of "this isn't what I think this is what I was told/how society unfortunately is kind of thing."

[@gottfriedosterbach3907]

That he sent her a box made it obvious Miles did it. He was trying to create an alibi with an event where he was making sure everyone who could have been a loose end was onboard. Mikes had no reason to send a box except to say Oh no, I was trying to make amends, I even invited her to my island which I definitely had no opportunity to engage with her otherwise. Phone, I don't even use a phone or email.

[@jeremyterkelsen2518]

People can argue about the logic of the movie, but in my opinion it's just poorly paced. The flashback midway through Glass Onion halts all of the story's momentum and then recontextualizes everything in the most convoluted way possible before revealing that Andi's sister is still somehow alive. It's not just Miles that is dumb, it's the whole damn plot, but people will still say "ThAtS tHe WhOLe pOiNt".

[@officialmonarchmusic]

@@jeremyterkelsen2518 I agree. I don't think the film was paced nearly as well as the first film, and the flashback feels a little lazy

[@boo9781]

@@jeremyterkelsen2518how is it dumb? Nothing was poorly written and nothing was hidden from the audience on a malicious way. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s dumb, name calling is a great way of making sure your criticism isn’t taken seriously at all

[@jeremyterkelsen2518]

The reason why I used that word is because that's how Daniel Craig's character described the main antagonist halfway through the movie. The film's justification for its dumb plot is that the antagonist is dumb, what's lazier than that?

[@boo9781]

@@jeremyterkelsen2518 once again not giving any arguments and just calling it dumb, do you care to enlighten me and finally tell me what’s so dumb about it? Or are you just gonna keep winning about a movie u don’t like

[@ZootyTooter]

It's actually quite a common trend in the world of mainstream movie criticism, to develop an unpopular opinion for the sake of attention grabbing, then substantiate it through dishonest nitpicks or trivia then state harsh, attention grabbing opinions as facts.

[@rolanddeschain6089]

It's not only super popular in movies. It is now making real internet stars. Contra-opinions without basis. Of course they like to be swallowed extra fast, when it comes to things that many people don't like (or like) anyway. I could go on a popular podcast tomorrow and say something like, "Fast food? Biggest lie ever. I'll tell you what - fast food is the best food for your body there is!" The man-child podcaster would then say something like "What?!!" and I would feed him non-evidence, gossip, anecdotes and completely made-up benefits. And I swear to you I'd have a lot of believers for that shit the next day. Pillar of Garbage is right here. People like the critical drinker are taking the whole range of youtube film reviews down a notch.

[@thedevilsadvocateisanoctop56]

It couldn't possibly be that the movies they review are actually shit. No. No way.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

Bad Publicity is Good Publicity in their eyes but sometimes its really just a Bad take or an inability to take critism but most of the time especially today, its simply for Hate views.

[@forickgrimaldus8301]

@@thedevilsadvocateisanoctop56 sometimes but in this case the Drinker and Many others really did give very poor takes in the Movie, this isn't a case of TLJ where there are Justified Critisms on the Movie combined with a Rabidly angry fanbase and a Very defensive on Edge Crew and Cast no , its just a Poor Review.

[@eamon4800]

Or it’s just a really bad film. The writing is so bad.

[@onftbb]

The chilli sauce question really pushed me over the edge honestly. It shows a complete lack of attention being paid toward the film. Truly embarrassing.

[@Jess-eu4uw]

Felt the same here. Thats what brought me here

[@BWGmedia]

The problem isn't that drinker just forgot where they got the hot sauce from.... its that its contrived and ONLY set up earlier-unnaturally and seemingly out of nowhere-for blanc to hold onto for again next to no logical reason the whole time all for its payoff near the end. Its disheartening that people see this as good set up and pay off.

[@everythingisawesome2903]

Critical Drinker in nutshell

[@spryhuman1297]

@@BWGmedia there’s shit like this even in other great movies and tv shows I’m sure you probably like. It’s not a major coincidence, miles just likes to show off to everyone around him. It’s only natural that they would use something he takes pride in against him. A coincidence doesn’t have to just be a coincidence for plot’s sake. It can also be used for irony, themes, and motivations.

[@mikejeffries3333]

@@BWGmedia Literally how else do you do setup and payoff without "here is a thing that may come into use later" and then "here is that thing being used?"

[@JessicaRainey970]

It's amazing how the most casual of movie watchers are smarter than The Critical Drinker.

[@taikamiya8214]

"The story falls apart if Thor just went for the head." -Critical Drinker

[@justaghostinthesea]

The story falls apart if Chris didn't go to the house

[@spenser9908]

Great, so just so you know, you are no longer allowed to complain about contrived plotting in any movie again.

[@taikamiya8214]

@@spenser9908 The titanic wouldn't have sank if they never hit the iceberg... such contrived plotting.

[@spenser9908]

@@taikamiya8214 It wouldn't have hit the iceberg if it wasn't going so fast. Wouldn't have been going so fast if the owner hadn't ordered the last boilers lit. Wouldn't have been ordered to light the last boilers if the owner hadn't wanted to get to NY in record time. You don't understand writing, son. Sit down.

[@taikamiya8214]

@@spenser9908 You just debunked yourself. Critical Drinker's logic is that plotting is ill-conceived if different decisions were made throughout the story, and thus your first paragraph is ill-conceived plotting by his criteria while also matching the analogy of his criteria in my comment.

[@sissou4526]

The Critical Drinker is using a fallacy that we call "millefeuille argumentatif" in french. It's just a pile of fallacious arguments individually weak but going through all the bullsh*t is an exhausting process. Plus it, suffice than one argument carries more pertinance than others for the millefeuille to be annoying to dismantle. Good job on your part, it takes some determination to do so

[@Mish844]

so, it's french for gish gallop?

[@susanrobertson984]

Very Trumpian. Just keep throwing shit at the wall and let people try to wade through it all.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

@@susanrobertson984 muh trump!

[@YEs69th420]

@@MachineMan-mj4gj Trump was an idiot, but the criticism doesn't apply to him so much. It does however fit Bench Appearo exactly, a favourite of illogical people who think they're smart.

[@MachineMan-mj4gj]

@@YEs69th420 muh Shapiro. Deliberately mispelling their name is infantile.

[@nsebastian0272]

100% I saw his video and thought it was one of the worst reviews I’ve ever seen on KZbin and was waiting for someone to talk about how wrong he is on so many things

[@DeathnoteBB]

I swear so much modern “critique” is just “Well if the story didn’t happen the story couldn’t have happened so it’s bad writing” or “If all the characters were omniscient geniuses they would have done X so it’s bad writing that they didn’t.” Like the sheer fact that it’s *fictional* is bad writing to them. It’s baffling

[@jamesatkinsonja]

It's refreshing to see someone call Critical drinker [a channel I despise] out for his nonsense. I can't stand moaning about 'woke' anyway [given that term has lost any meaning it might have had at this stage] but like cinemasins it's especially bad when they are outright lying about what's going on. 25:12 onwards is spot on.

[@andrelima4125]

actually yeah...me and my friends saw the glass pass and eventually figured it out and it was the same as benoit "he cant be that stupid right? it was an accident right?"

[@roosajarvinen5698]

And the thing is, Duke's pineapple allergy is very loudly pointed out in the probably first 15 minutes of the movie so it's perfectly rational to think that a fully stocked bar could have pineapples or pineapple juice etc etc

[@rookpwnd]

I tried to watch The Matrix but everyone was wearing weird outfits so I turned it off.

[@justanothernerd6714]

Not sure if anyone has mentioned this yet, but the reason that Drinker's footage looks weird is because when he and KZbinrs like him are talking about a movie that they don't like, they will INTENTIONALLY lower the saturation and screw with it's visual appearance to make it look fundamentally bad to back up their narrative that "X movie is bad"

[@philipcoghill4648]

The Drinker's complaint about Blanc being famous in universe is especially dumb when you consider that it's a fairly common trope in detective fiction. Sherlock Holmes and Hercule Poirot are two notable examples.

[@SantomPh]

in the first movie no one knows who he is and Blanc himself said Harlan knew his policeman father back in the day. Perhaps that case made him really famous especially with the two phone-generation grandchildren.

[@lungeranon7645]

Can you name a current celebrity murder detective in the real world? I cant.

[@kilimenjiro3753]

@@lungeranon7645 Oh I'm sorry, are we talking about the real world??? Whenabouts was that relevant to the topic at hand? What, are we gonna start talking about how Poirot isn't realistic? Phillip Marlowe? Sean Spencer? Adrian Monk?

[@nataliekhanyola5669]

@@SantomPh nope... in the first scene the family members recognise his work, specifically the eldest daughter. It's what clued them into the idea that foul play was at hand, harland being a well known detective tipped them off. Re-watch the movie.

[@greuju]

Sherlock Holmes was a celebrity because of who he was, not some trope lol. That's like a tall person being noticed like a celebrity.

[@adamcampbell2787]

One of my favorite parts of his review is where he claims Britain to have a rich history of murder mystery characters like Hercule Poirot, etc. And then later on complains the Benoit Blanc is treated like a celebrity. Like dude, has he read ANY Poirot stories?

[@thelocaldiva]

I bet he has only seen the movies. probably the recent ones only

[@DerekHise]

Fun fact: Binge drinking significantly lowers your IQ.

[@junzeroni]

The dude's almost certainly not actually a drinker. He's just performing as one for an audience of immature edgelords who think 'drinking hard liquor = manly alpha bad-ass' or whatever. It's Will's shit-tier attempt at a Harry Plinkett like character.

[@moona3206]

And it shows 😂

[@Robert-Peterson]

I stopped watching The Critical Drinker some time ago. The guy has permanent eye-blinders on.

[@KitKat-kc3sq]

One thing about the notebook stopping the bullet, similar things have happened before in the real world. Teddy Roosevelts life was famously saved when a bullet was slowed by his speech notes and glasses case. It’s a genre trope with a kernel of truth!

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

Yes. While it may have become a tired trope nowadays because it was overused as a plot device in decades past, it became a trope in the first place _because_ there have been real life cases of it happening. Sure, most modern semi-automatic rifle bullets can go even though cars like butter. But the thing is, Duke's pistol was for show, it was part of his online persona and he liked to fire it into the air to appear tough... so it's likely it was loaded with dummy bullets with a cut-down amount of black powder. So the bullet likely traveled with less velocity, and it likely wasn't some armour-piercing bullet either.

[@eminakostic3406]

@@TF2CrunchyFrog in addition to that the bullet also passed through a window AT DISTANCE first. All of which would have slowed the speed of it enough to be stopped by an inch of paper and leather.

[@TheSchaef47]

@@TF2CrunchyFrog "Duke's pistol was for show, it was part of his online persona and he liked to fire it into the air to appear tough... so it's likely it was loaded with dummy bullets with a cut-down amount of black powder. So the bullet likely traveled with less velocity, and it likely wasn't some armour-piercing bullet either." That sure would have been some interesting information to put into a murder mystery, so that people could examine the evidence and potentially come to the conclusion themselves that she could have survived, instead of relying on gun-savvy KZbinrs to backfill the moment with a plausible theory.

[@thomasbailey921]

Two things, Duke's gun was undoubtedly significantly more deadly than a pistol from the late 1800s. Secondly, Roosevelt was still taken to the hospital after the event because after the bullet pierced through a STEEL glasses case and FIFTY FOLDED PAGES of a speech the bullet still lodged into his chest. Helen is fucked, my guy.

[@SunShine-xc6dh]

Teddy lived because its take more than that to kill a bull moose.

[@alexsimpkin5620]

Ironic that the Critical Drinker, a creator with critical in their handle can't use basic critical thinking skills.

[@tuojiangoman3228]

It isn't really… When you factor in that “drinker” part.

[@alexsimpkin5620]

@@tuojiangoman3228 But if it's not ironic, it's an oxymoron

[@MegaAndyGG]

Also he is Trump fan

[@abrahamnarvaez1730]

@@MegaAndyGGbut how is that relevant on top he’s not even American so it factors even less. You’re stating that as some sort of reason he’s not qualified to do reviews. Its best to leave trump out of this equation and focus on his more hypocritical stances or double standards rather than his political views.

[@crypticcryptid4702]

@@abrahamnarvaez1730 His political views have kind of bled into his reviews though. As shown before he had taken clips out of context to portray "woke" holywood as stupid.

[@Igotboredatwork]

Something happened with TCD when he shifted from someone who just talked about bad scene construction and writing to complete grifter. It must have been something to do with who he realized was watching his videos and how much hyperbolic anger seems to pay off. His videos are essentially a template at this point and have been for years and that's all they need to be. He's just another person conflating film analysis with films he just didn't like. And that's whatever. But when he actively lied about scenes by omitting pieces of the film like, what does he hope to achieve? At that point it's clear he's not watching the film and the fans of him aren't watching the film, they're just angry people who don't like things and don't know what media analysis is. It's so clearly a grift it's almost like a satire of a grift

[@geeman.8081]

I didn't realise he was also a writer who if he reviewed his own books would refer to them as boring and woke.

[@McDonaldsCalifornia]

Reminds me off Cinema sins. I guess if your idea of critiquing an movie is finding things to nitpick that can be a fun gimmick and some movies deserve to be nitpicked. But ultimately you will most likely turn bitter like that and start pumping out bad content like TCD or CS

[@wephilips6651]

@@geeman.8081 Its also ironic that some one so savage in critiquing the writing of others is so poor at writing himself...although tbh Lindsay Ellis who i love is also a bad writer

[@CaulkMongler]

@@McDonaldsCaliforniaexactly this, he’s become a liquored up version of “Everything Wrong With…//Cinema Sins” and it’s so lazy and frustrating.

[@RealJohnnyAngel]

I remember watching some of his older stuff and thinking he made some good points about scene construction and narrative structure. but the disdain for performative diversity (a legitimate criticism of "oh look at how diverse our cast is, if you don't like it you're racist/sexist/etc/" ), became a brand of anti-woke garbage. but in this specific case, i think he just can't forgive Ryan Johnson for TLJ, and he's just being petty.

[@morenicginiusthegreat4227]

I don't know if this is a compliment or an insult, or even sane, but to me the Critical Drinker looks like a character from Glass Onion.

[@SoftKernel]

I watched his “Questions about Black Panther 2” video and he literally asked about how the fish people went to the bathroom and passed it off as actual criticism.

[@TF2CrunchyFrog]

Does he think whales and fishes leave the water to use a toilet? Heck, the underwater city probably has rooms where the excrements are snapped up and eaten by actual fishes. Or they poo into a tube and flush it to the fishies kept in another enclosure, just as we build sewage pipes and sewage treastment purification plants. Nature is full of examples of biological "recycling".

[@DeusExProcella]

Clearly they just shit in the water like regular fish lol

[@noahvance6160]

Yes, because when I'm watching a science fantasy movie, one of the first questions I ask myself is "How do the characters use the bathroom?" 😂

[@Sleeper_6875]

It’s always refreshing to find channels that actually call out reactionary garbage, I feel like a lot of channels tiptoe around it and while I understand it from a business perspective, I think it’s just great to see honest content and informative videos

[@Sleeper_6875]

Honest opinions* I don’t like using the word content I think it cheapens what people make

[@Ruben666spartan]

''It’s always refreshing to find channels that actually call out reactionary garbage'' So like this channel which is reactionary garbage