Spectacular Spider-Man, Avengers: EMH, and the Myth of the Shared Universe

[@PillarofGarbage]

Getting a lot of comments bringing up Avengers: Assemble and Ultimate Spider-Man. These are very clearly not canon to EMH: Is Avengers Assemble in the Same Continuity as Earth's Mightiest Heroes? #shorts kzbin.info47LcQZ4j_Ws?feature=share

[@thatoneguyyouknow274]

I believe I commented on your original shared universe video. With what we have now, and not what was originally intended it's actually far more likely that Ultimate Spider-Man(I will refer to him as USM from now on) was the one sharing a universe with EMH for a multitude of reasons. For one they're both voiced by Drake Bell, and show Spidey interacting with the Avengers. Also, Avengers Assemble is very much implied to be a sequel to EMH(as seen in the episode with Molecule Kid), and USM is shown to crossover with Avengers Assemble on many occasions. USM is also shown to have already met Wolverine in USM, which could be explained by his appearance in EMH. But I do also acknowledge like you did with Spectacular that there are some major flaws in this take. One example being Iron Fist and Luke Cage both appear as adults in EMH, but as teenagers in USM. I think we can both agree that neither USM or Spectacular are 100% canon, and that the studio's probably weren't sure if they wanted to branch out into a shared continuity. My main point here is that post-studio interference USM seems to be more likely to be canon to EMH than Spectacular, but pre-studio interference probably would've flip-flopped it to be Spectacular having a higher chance at being canon.

[@ashcraft257]

Yes avengers assemble is actually the same continuity as EMH just has a different look for it the best way to see it is one of the episodes I think with the beginning of it shows maybe Hawkeye maybe or something I forgot but it is the same universe

[@Protosilver97]

Guys, the Molecule Kid thing doesn't count. They literally don't make any other hint and it also hasn't happened in EMH. You have been baited.

[@thatoneguyyouknow274]

@@Protosilver97 read my entire reply, that's only one of many things I used in my point.

[@Protosilver97]

@@thatoneguyyouknow274 I read it again. I now understand. On the other hand. The Disney XD universe is really fucked up.

[@RegalGecko]

The only conclusion I can draw from this video... The real shared universe is the friends we made along the way.

[@PillarofGarbage]

That’s pretty much it 😎

[@LostSoulSilver]

It kinda is haha

[@Protosilver97]

It's always that answer.

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

True

[@thegreatacolyt1277]

​@@PillarofGarbageyep

[@MTV2O2O]

Honestly had Spectacular Spider-Man not been cancelled, this would be easier to explain, yes or no, but with EMH coming out not long after the show’s cancellation, it’s easy to see where people would assume they are in the same continuity, which I’m not really for since it wouldn’t fit in with how Peter was after Season 2.

[@RedDeadDevilTrigger]

Well the avengers probably took place a couple of years after spectacular Spider Man which is why he’s so much older

[@jalocool2807]

@@RedDeadDevilTrigger Still doesn’t make sense

[@noh1312]

Earth mightiest heroes if I am not wrong is the same as avengers assemble

[@MTV2O2O]

@@noh1312 No the hell it is not

[@RedDeadDevilTrigger]

@@noh1312 not even close emh is like the comics and is good and assemble is like the movies and is also bad

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

We can just assume a version of the show happened. Something that fits in universe. They had said that Wolverine and the X-men and EMH are connected, but then also said if they had continued they would have strayed further away from what happened on that show. I think Hulk vs fits even though it has different animation styles.

[@Mextlatec]

the Mutant Respond Division that was created in Wolverine and the X-Men are mention by Nick Fury on Avengers Earth Mightiest Heroes Season 1 Episode 4 "The Man in the Ant Hill"

[@triplepinata27]

That’s what I’ve always done. I just imagined an alternate version of the spectacular story took place in the emh/x-men universe off screen. But I loved it as a kid and still love it either way

[@mtsylver]

In some ways, this reminds me of how the peter from spider-man unlimited draws some inspiration from the 90s show by similar backstories with characters like venom and how the theme song plays in the first episode, but is otherwise intended to be separate from one another.

[@mtsylver]

@Justin Arzola Exactly.

[@kahjunn9427]

My idea is that he shares the same universe as the Spider-Man from the PS1 games, because they have the same voice actor

[@Jcecil1035]

tell that to dan slott

[@bojacknorseman9009]

The issue is that fans often feel like the works only “count” - and thus their emotional attachments are validated - if the works they care for are “real” or canon. This is one reason there’s the constant insistence that Agents of SHIELD is in the MCU “proper,” rather than a parallel universe that is very similar, but has Coulson revived.

[@justinwatson1510]

The characters are in a multi-billion year contract with the studio and cannot fully die until they satisfy the contract. Each time they are killed, they are put into some kind of machine that heals them and then they have to go back to work in a new series.

[@youngmonkeyman1017]

If Josh Keaton had voiced Spidey in EMH it would’ve been perfect and sold it completely for me

[@mack_r-s]

Yeah it really sucks how they robbed Keaton of the role. He didn't even know the role had changed until he watched the episode for himself. Imagine how bad you would feel if you turned on the TV, expecting to hear your voice, only to find out you've been completely replaced.

[@Mojj2099]

@@mack_r-sshi makes me mad man why did my two favorite Spider-Man have to be done so dirty, (Keaton and Garfield)

[@b0bbleh3ads97]

@@Mojj2099 for real like josh's voice is the definitive voice of spiderman for me, while andrew's appearance is the definitive live action spidey for me. Really upsetting how they were cut short of their roles.

[@Kromiball]

"Is this safe?"

[@chocochipjewel]

Honestly, as a Star Wars fan who is invested in a lot of the EU content which was officially labelled 'not canon' years ago, canon was always what I made of it. If it doesn't contradict canon, or even if it does, I will still enjoy both the canon and non-canon versions. I'll recognise the character and the version in my head will be a mix of their old version, their canon version, and my own headcanons. I can feel a similar feeling with Spidey in this instance, the canon of the shared universe will always be what I make of it. Hell, a lot of us including me have a perfect Spider Man in mind that's an amalgamation of the comics, the Raimi movies, the TASM movies, the MCU, Spectacular, and more, blending all our memories of the character into one version that we can fondly look back on. So thank you for making this, for perfectly putting into words what I felt, and for bringing this topic of discussion to the surface. Great work and keep being awesome!

[@GreenArrowHunter]

In my head canon after Spider-man helps the Avengers save the world from Galactus the webhead finally decides to ask Mary Jane Watson out on a date.

[@PillarofGarbage]

I like the sound of that!

[@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6]

I’d like it if they took place in the same universe, even though they technically don’t. You’re suggestion is awesome and I like it. I also have a theory in Marvel, if you time travel you cause a new universe to be created. Well EMH dealt with time travel during the Kang arc, maybe prior to this Earth 8096 was the same as Spectacular Spider-Man’s earth, but hey that’s just a theory a EMH theory thanks for reading.

[@PillarofGarbage]

Nice theory!

[@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6]

@@PillarofGarbage thank you!

[@juliiju0484]

not only that, but also the x-men played with time travel, great theory

[@medi0cre_pr0ducti0ns6]

@@juliiju0484 Very true, and thank you!

[@maxordman4100]

Thank you for making this video. You went through a lot of important facts and help explain some important concepts. Personally I do like to think that they are the same version of the character in both cartoons. However I can see why there is so much debate and confusion about the idea. Spectacular was such an amazing show and it ended way too soon! This project was very well done and I definitely want to see more of your videos. Excellent work on this project!

[@michaelturner2806]

Getting into the weeds of shared universes and continuity and canon is all well and fun, but I hope regardless of one's opinions what really matters is we enjoy the things we like and bond over them rather than let what should be fun talking points turn into arguments. Tad Stones who headed Darkwing Duck is noted for saying he deliberately broke canon within the show itself, with flashbacks not being in continuity with each other. I like that the storytelling is the concept at its core, and details can be funged to better suit it. I don't know who said it, but "Never let the facts get in the way of a good story."

[@juliiju0484]

honestly, even if there are some continuity problems, or if there are no continuity errors, I'm going to enjoy the show the same. Since I was young I loved the show without having seen spectacular spider-man and less wolverine and the x-men, but the characters are really great and everything that made me fall in love with the show is still there, so I feel that it does not matter so much if peter looks like more like his ultimate comics counterpart, or if wolverine is less mature than wolverine and the x-men, i personally can enjoy the show watching it both ways, and it's honestly great both ways. (Oh, and so cool that you used the vault discussion and know you visited the forum)

[@triplepinata27]

Agreed! I think it’s fun whether they’re connected or not! Which is how one of the writers intended it to be!

[@KingofBeasts444]

My headcanon is EMH, spectacular Spider-Man and Wolverine in the X-Men are all one universe. But I also include X-Men Evolution as a prequel to Wolverine in the X-Men in my head. As well as Avengers Assemble, Ultimate Spider-Man as a sequel. With huge plot holes filled out by Deadpool dancing to Insane in the Membrane and Marvel vs Capcom 3.

[@maskedcrusaderings]

Tbh, there are far too many potholes for Avengers Assemble & Ultimate Spiderman to take place in the same Universe as them, even if we just call plot holes Like Luke Cage Iron fist being Teens, Peter Parker in Ultimate Spiderman being 16, but in EMH he's 17, characters like Hank’s Yellowjacket & Janet Van Dyne seemingly not existing in AA, Baron Zemo from EMH and AA also have vastly different origins & stories, Cap didn't know Bucky was alive in AA until we Bucky’s first appearance in AA, Gwen Stacy CLEARLY not existing in Ultimate Spiderman, the Fantastic Four & The X-Men also don't seem to exist in AA. There are far too many continuity eras to assume they're sequels to EMH and Spectacular Spiderman. There also other stuff that haven't came to mind ATM. X-Men Evolution also has it's fair shair of continuity problems

[@KingofBeasts444]

@@maskedcrusaderings I agree that's why I said headcanon. With plot holes filled by Deadpool dancing.

[@anthonyvillanueva5226]

Pretty hard to have X-Men Evolution as a prequel to Wolverine and the X-Men. The ages are all different.

[@KingofBeasts444]

@@anthonyvillanueva5226 I agree, I just like to put it in the same headcanon.

[@mzov_1724]

Peter in Spectacular season 2 was 16, so i don't think it's hard to imagine he's almost 18 by EMH

[@Gemnist98]

Peter tells Hawkeye he’s 17 in his debut EMH episode.

[@mzov_1724]

@@Gemnist98 yes that is indeed what I said

[@theincrediblespiderdude5454]

And Avengers EMH take place in 2010 when Spectacular ends in 2009

[@kyleyuen245]

5:37 really shows the evolution of character designs through EMH, tony and peter look like they're already in different shows

[@rooracleaf561]

That part about the avengers movie being the first in the MCU really reminded me of justice league

[@PillarofGarbage]

Perhaps one reason (among others) that Justice League didn’t have the impact Avengers did?

[@ArcTrooper269]

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[@lewisdavidson571]

The Spectacular Spider-Man is the best version of the character.

[@Raccon_Detective.]

Because it's the most comic book accurate.

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

I love that this video basically sums up to “The shared universe was *inside you all along.”*

[@somerandomfan2096]

I Agree With The #SaveTheYostVerse The YostVerse Is Like An Alternate MCU But Much Better And Cooler The Avengers: EMH Is A Underrated Masterpiece And If Marvel Made A New Avengers Cartoon It Will Never Be As Good As EMH We Can’t Rely On The MCU Forever

[@rooracleaf561]

I wouldn't say much better

[@_somerandomguyontheinternet_]

That’s a lot of caps.

[@somerandomfan2096]

@@rooracleaf561 EMH Is Better Than MCU In Some Parts If You’ve Pillar of Garbage’s Videos He Talks About What I’m Saying And An Example Is EMH Somewhat Adapted The Secret Invasion Which Was Like An Avengers Movie Unlike The MCU Secret Invasion Which Won’t Be As Big As The Comic Book Storyline So Yeah Its Cooler Than MCU No Disrespect

[@rooracleaf561]

@@somerandomfan2096 in terms of story and some characters I'd definetly say emh is better. But in every other respect I'd say the MCU is better.

[@miner556]

@@somerandomfan2096 there's no need to capitalize every word

[@mikhaelgribkov4117]

I think the best crossovers are the ones who manage to connect two different characters and play with their different ideas both original texts have.

[@danimatroniccc]

I completely agree that Twitter can be incredibly useful when it comes to trying to figure out the continuity of a universe. It’s nice to see someone with the very same opinion.

[@jotaalejabo]

You helped me so much to enjoy more the series I watch with this video. Thanks a lot man ❤️

[@SpectacularSpiderFan]

Yeah honestly most of the logic here could be applied to the other spider men Josh Keaton Played, speciffically in the video games. They are not in the same universe, simply (supposed to) having the same voice actor doesn't mean they shared the same universe. Like how the actor for Stark on EMH has also voiced Tony on Avengers Assemble or What If. That and they explicitly have their own reality numbers that confirm they are indeed in seperate universes.

[@R0-83-RT]

Interesting video, it does make me wonder what your thoughts are on the Next Avengers Heroes of Tomorrow, and how that fits into the Yost-verse. On one hand the appearance to f Ultron seems fairly similar both being voiced by Tom Kane. Captain America's holographic shield feels fairly consistent, plus Christopher Yost did work on the screen play of The Next Avengers. Though speaking of which the similarities can also be attributed to similar creative teams, and shared source material without needing to link the stories together. I personally however do enjoy thinking of The Next Avengers Heroes of Tomorrow as an alternative future to EMH.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

Yeah, the only thing that's missing is a romance set up between Black Widow and Captain America.

[@uncannydcmarvelous5732]

Wasn't Next Avengers set in the same canon as the Ultimate Avengers movies? (Due to the Cap Black Widow romance, although Hank died, and the costumes conundrum)

[@R0-83-RT]

@@DavidMartinez-ce3lp There's also Henry Pym Jr. To account for, who's stated to be the son of Giant Man & The Wasp. However in Earth's mightiest heroes, Hank Pym gives up the titles of Giant Man & Ant Man to Scott Lang. Though one could assume at some point in the future Hank took his titles back. It isn't the biggest deal breaker regardless.

[@R0-83-RT]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 The wiki page seems to say so, though I have honestly never seen the Ultimate Avengers films, so it never really occurred to me.

[@DavidMartinez-ce3lp]

@@uncannydcmarvelous5732 More like an amalgamation of Ultimate Avengers and EMH.

[@haydentcem]

This reminds me of the Twitter thread that states all the ways you could piece together all the Pre-MCU Marvel films into one universe. Obviously this isn’t the case and could never work but it’s fun to imagine

[@thomasjohnson1885]

I feel Spectacular is way too much it’s own thing to be connected same with Wolverine and the X-Men since I see EMH as a more traditional marvel universe to the others but I’m also a fan and love when things are connected, so I loosely like to think they are. In comics not everything fits but they’re still all canon to eachother just because a character isn’t shown when a world threatening event occurs doesn’t mean it’s suddenly not canon

[@rayo146-x8x]

so basically canon adjacency. The very explanation Greg Weisman used to connect Young Justice and Green Lantern TAS

[@f-zilla7347]

Josh Keaton should’ve been Spider-Man in EMH. If both Spectacular and EMH had never been cancelled then we would’ve had a far superior Marvel Animated Universe than we ended up getting with Ultimate Spider-Man and such.

[@jalocool2807]

It doesn’t matter

[@protag64toons2.0]

@@jalocool2807not all people

[@tallerwarrior1256]

Peter at the start of Spectacular Spider-Man is around 15-16 since the first episode centers around his first day as a Junior and the rest of the series takes place within that year. Let’s just say he’s 15 though which would set Spectacular Spider-Man two years back before the events of EMH seasons 1-2. As Greg Weismann said Spectacular Spider-Man could take place in a world where the Hulk and Wolverine are in the background which could give an excuse for shows and movies like Hulk Vs Wolverine, and Wolverine & The X-Men happening around the same time as Spectacular. As for how Peter looks it could just be that he changed his suit and hairstyle in between the two years. He got rid of the web wings, made the blues in his suit darker, and changed the logo a bit (but then again because of the difference in detail it could just be the same logo I mean even the legs are the same). As for The Vault the version of Spectacular could just have been a test run as it was built as an overlay of Rykers island. After Spidey successfully breaks out and deems it inefficient, The Government power, or in EMH’s case Shield, builds the version from EMH using the data that they compiled from the Rykers incident. Overall it’s obvious that the Spider-Man in EMH was supposed to be either THE version of Spider-Man from Spectacular or like you said A version of that character from that universe. But I’ll defend the fact that nothing really messes with the continuity of both shows as some of the continuity errors could easily be solved with progress directly caused by incidents in Spectacular or things just changing overtime.

[@bobZfish]

Congratulations on 15k

[@PillarofGarbage]

Thank you!

[@AshleyWolf125]

Godzilla exists in earth 616 but is considered a fictional character in Spider-Man X Deadpool. Sometimes writers forget things... And having a series as long and as complicated as Marvel.. I guess a true shared universe is too complicated...

[@probot6515]

No reason there can't be a fictionalised version of Godzilla in Earth-616 as well.

[@kingdon7795]

That Godzilla was also mentioned in the spider girl comics during the late 90s.

[@juliiju0484]

@@kingdon7795 true, but since it is an alternative universe it can be understood

[@TRJA_169]

We could have actually saw more episodes with spider man and even one that's all about his origins like I can actually imagine that happening.

[@BabyV3git0Black]

In my opinion EMH’s Spider-Man works best as his own thing disconnected from any other Spider-Man

[@comicbookking3446]

Remember, how Batman TAS lasted from 1992 to 1995 and then got revived to the new Batman adventures with Superman TAS’s art style to be on Continuity with the DCAU ? What if Spectacular Spider-Man got that similar treatment having Earths Mightiest Heroes art style, instead of Ultimate Spider-Man ?

[@The_Albino_Jackal]

That could explain the different art style, but not the other issues

[@comicbookking3446]

@@The_Albino_Jackal what do you mean by other issues ?

[@The_Albino_Jackal]

@@comicbookking3446 like the guy in the vid says, there’s already a Vault prison in both universes that are different, the ages for Peter might not perfectly line up, and in the episode where he first appeared in EMH, Peter says he’s not a photographer but a web designer (like in the ultimate universe) but in spectacular he is a photographer (like 616 Spider-Man)

[@comicbookking3446]

@@The_Albino_Jackal oh yeah. Who’s intention do you agree with, Christopher Yost for trying to connect Spectacular Spider-Man to EMH along with the rest of the Yost-verse or Greg Wiseman for wanting Spectacular Spider-Man to be in its own universe trying to base it off the comics from the 60s ?

[@Gemnist98]

Beyond the fact that they are officially in two different universes (Earth-8096 for EMH, Earth-26496 for Spectacular), it’s pretty clear in Spectacular (just like the Raimi and Webb movies) that Spider-Man is the only superhero, so they can’t be canon. The Josh Keaton connection (just like the Drake Bell one for the later shows) means nothing, since Marvel largely uses the same Spidey actor for miscellaneous material up until a new show or game comes out and they recast, cycling them out whenever they want to shake things up.

[@theincrediblespiderdude5454]

My headcanon is that Spider Man was the world first superhero, and the others came later

[@maskedcrusaderings]

I for one think SSM, EMH and Watxm are truly in the same Universe. Along with the Hulk vs movie & Thor: Tales of Asgard. Part of me also headcanons Planet Hulk and Dr Strange: The Sorcerer Supreme are the YostVerse too because in Planet Hulk we see Beta Rey Bill name-drop Hulk’s raging in Asgard. Plus, The Thor in Hulk vs and Planet Hulk looks the same and the Dr Strange from Sorcerer Supreme looks exactly like the one who made a cameo at the start of Planet Hulk with the Illuminati.

[@maskedcrusaderings]

@Justin Arzola Next Avengers has a few continuity eras. When Tony narrates the story of the Avengers at the start of the film, Hank is Giantman/Ant-Man but we know he gave that role to Scott and became Yellowjacket in EMH, we also never see Captain Marvel mentioned as an Avenger in Next Avengers but in EMH she is one, plus Black widow is mention as one but she isn't in EMH. Aside from that, there's a massive continuity era that makes it impossible. That being : in EMH, Hank made Ultron but in Next Avengers, it was TONY. Not to mention other stuff like Thor telling Thorunn that she learned the lesson Odin tried to teach him ( that being to know what it's like to be human ), in EMH Odin wanted Thor to be on Asgard to protect it, whereas Thor wanted to be there in order to make a difference. Also, we wanna apply it to the same universe as the YostVerse, it wouldn't fit into continuity with Planet Hulk. Because when Tony narrates the Avengers story and he manages ‘Alien Invaders’, shows Korg but we know during Planet Hulk, when he encounters his brothers on Sakkar, he kills them & eventually stays there with Hulk, so there's no logical way him & his brothers could come to earth to try conquer it. Not to mention in Next Avengers, Hulk is ON Planet earth. At the end of Planet Hulk, he stayed on Sakkar, permanently, because he was exiled from Earth by the Illuminati. Aside from that, Ultron has already been defeated in EMH. There are multiple issues that contradict EMH & Planet Hulk. We'd also have to wonder why didn't they call in other Heroes like Bucky, Scott, Spiderman, Fantastic Four or the X-Men when they were losing to Ultron. I haven't seen the Invincible Ironman movie in a while so I don't remember much but I do think it could fit because we did see an alternate opening where the Dormammu from Doctor Strange: The Sorcerer Supreme appears. We also see the Hela from Hulk Vs Thor/EMH appear, if we wanna connect Dr Strange to Ironman & we wanna connect Hulk Vs Thor to both of them, then it would definitely fit in the continuity. I also forgot to say we saw Li Mei from the The Invincible Ironman appear in Dr Strange The Sorcerer Supreme. So if the Dr Strange animated movie is connected to the YostVerse, the Invincible Ironman would be too Plus one of the symbols used for a spell barrier is also used by Amora in Hulk vs Thor to trap Hulk.

[@Protosilver97]

@Justin Arzola The Invincible Iron Man had a movie? Which was it?

[@Protosilver97]

Well, Yost stated that Tales of Asgard and both Hulk Vs. movies are in the same universe.

[@maskedcrusaderings]

@@Protosilver97 yeah, i know

[@maskedcrusaderings]

@@Protosilver97 yeah, an animated movie called ‘Invincible Ironman’

[@vtgplayz]

Who the fuck actually thought Spectacular and Ultimate Spider-Man were the same ? I’d have to have brain damage to believe that.

[@spideraty1529]

I love spectacular Spider-Man and Spider-Man no way home reminded me a lot about it I love Spider-Man no way home and spectacular Spider-Man

[@scottking8189]

NGl everyone wants everything to be a shared universe now but I prefer the one offs that stand on their own and don’t need lots of lore to look up before reading

[@backup-qg6nb]

Great suggestion, I prefer it! Not a stretch of the imagination, and respects both adaptations.

[@theonethatlovescartoons3196]

i would love a vidoe where you talk about where you want spectaculair spiderman story to go after season 2

[@БакдаулетСайдилла]

Two of the best Marvel Animated series. Shared in one video. Great job as always.

[@WeaselScratches]

the spiderman in avengers is the one from the ultimate comics. I know this because Peter says ''I mostly work on bugle's website'' spidey from the ultimate comics is the bugles head web designer.

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

Thank you for doing a video on this. I was not expecting you to address it head-on. Also, that Scientology bit made me lose it.

[@SuperWarrior64]

My headcanon: Avengers EMH Spider-Man of earth 8096 shared a similar life to Spectacular Spider-Man of earth 26496. Since the Avengers never show up or even mentioned in Spectacular Spidey along with them being slightly different in some way. I like to assume their not the same. I mean Spectacular Spidey could have his own versions of the Avengers, Fantastic, X Men, etc but we'll probably never know. So yeah to me their just 2 different Spider-Men who lived similar lives to each other. But you don't have to agree with it. If you have any headcanons about these 2 Spider-Men let me know. I'll wait

[@sonicspider5415]

So basically your saying that EMH’s Spider-Man is a variant of Spectacular, having similar histories but one thing changing making another timeline and another Spider-Man

[@sonicspider5415]

To a point

[@PillarofGarbage]

More or less, yes!

[@sonicspider5415]

@@PillarofGarbage oh alright

[@sonicspider5415]

@@PillarofGarbage I got a question, so you think you’d make a video on possibly variants on marvel characters from famous and marvel shows

[@kingsadvisor18]

The only thing I can add is that it was a MASSIVE mistake for them to replace Spectacular Spiderman voice actor Josh Keaton with Ultimate Spiderman Drake Bell. Not only is Ultimate an inferior show, but I don't want my Spiderman voiced by a nonce

[@GamerSlyRatchet1]

I don't think they knew about the last part lol. But yeah, it was pointless and petty.

[@vibezonegaming]

Well most things in history stay the same or generally understood to be the same, but some events could be different. Example in a different show with different multiverses Ben 10. In Omniverse it is revealed when Ben went back in time that George Washington was a Plumier(Plumber). Which means he actively stopped aliens and the British. I think he shot at Vilgax at least once.

[@playerback7722]

Nice

[@Stickfigure-ly7gf]

I love seeing those 2 amazing shows!

[@jjboyok3060]

Liked the subtle Dark universe nod

[@ivane5110]

These continuity errors use to get No Prize prizes back in Stan's day. When I was a teen we had to deal with how the Amazing Spider-Man and Spider-Man and his Amazing Friends were drawn by the same artists and aired at the same time, but on different networks and with a different voice actor (and no sign of Iceman or Firestar). Part of the annoyance and fun was explaining it away, then changing our minds and rezexplaining (when it came up; mostly we just enjoyed watching).

[@xBOBOxFebreez]

Shared universes not only combine multiple things we enjoy, but they also get us invested way more than a regular movie/show/game. Events have more implications, there can be deeper relationships between characters or with the audience (sequels do this too, but in the case of marvel for example, we wouldnt have gotten the development between steve and natasha in winter soldier if there were only avengers films), and when done well they become more believable and immersive because you’re getting a lot more time in the universe with more perspectives. It really sucks when people shit on the shared universe idea because they don’t like when someone speculates, or they just hate the mcu. Its fun sometimes to theorize even if it sounds silly

[@Asaylum117]

I'm pretty sure that was the plan for Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes writers, since they actually did have Josh Keaton reprising his role as Peter Parker/Spider-Man in the show, to the point they even had unreleased Josh Keaton dialogue that was recorded when they were developing the episode Along Came a Spider. It's just that because Disney is being Disney, since Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon was on their channel Disney XD, instead they changed Josh Keaton with Drake Bell. Even though not a bad voice actor, especially if he is given an actual good script, but he does get a pretty bad reputation, especially with how bad Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon itself is.

[@Protosilver97]

I think the Along Came a Spider episode with Josh Keaton was actually aired, but it's now lost media.

[@theincrediblespiderdude5454]

​@@Protosilver97 I remember I watch it with Josh Keaton voice when it first aired but I never found it again

[@icetramonster8622]

Hi again! I loved the video! Canon does or doesn't matter like you said. Still I think these Spideys are different but they still do share the same multiverse as the MCU, Raimi and Webs Spideys, comics, games and so on. Heck all media even the DC universe, since the main Marvel (Earth-616) and DC Universes (New Earth post-crisis) did a cross over back in the 90s. That's all and thanks for listening.

[@tradenver9185]

Even though it's been 9 months, thanks for loving my comment lol

[@md.nazmussakib5174]

Nice video. BTW, I have a suggestion. Since you make videos on these popular old show then make videos on Ben 10 as well. I mean Ben 10 is a good and a popular show. So, make a video on that show if you want to.

[@ANW115]

Great vid I 100% agree! 😀

[@reuelgomezbaez]

i’m of the opinion that anything created without the original creator(s) should be considered to take place in its own universe. and i feel like this should apply to even the comics. everyone has their own interpretation of a character, and no matter how hard they tried not to, every writer and artist who came after lee, ditko, & romita, was writing a different peter parker than they did just by virtue of being different people with their own interpretations and ideas on where to take the character. i feel like both corporations and fans trying to shoehorn works created by different artists with different sensibilities into the same universe is both creatively limiting and damaging to art as a whole. in my opinion, every time a new writer gets to write a character, wether it be spider-man or batman or whoever, their work should be considered to be set in its own universe, regardless of wether they decide to pick up where someone else left off or reboot/reimagine the character entirely.

[@Nayops24]

2:02 ^ What why⁉️🤦🏻

[@DarthTingleBinks]

I essentially never trust designated universe numbers unless they're stated in the stories themselves, and not at like the back of a random comic book or magazine. The MCU was designated 199999, but nobody working on the films ever actually stated that, it just showed up at the end of a comic book that listed universe numbers for various Marvel projects and stories. But in recent years Kevin Feige has been adamant that the MCU is simply an adaptation of the comics 616 universe, and not that it exists alongside the comics universe, which is what that original universe designation suggested. There is still the freedom of other universes having different designations for other other universes, which is why Miguel O'Hara might refer to the MCU as 199999, but 838 and the 616 TVA both refer to 616 as 616. So maybe there's a 1 that is also called like 69 or something in a different universe. Besides, continuity is a VERY confusing thing. The Army of Darkness comics (and really the whole Evil Dead franchise) make that very clear. The fan wiki labels certain timelines, and there are clearly more than one, as there are MULTIPLE stories that continue from Army of Darkness and its various endings, in both games and comics, and the movies and shows and games and comics have all made it evident that the timeline can be changed. But when you take a step back and ignore timelines and look strictly at continuity, there's so much shit that makes everything confusing. Marvel Zombies vs Army of Darkness establishes that Ash Williams the Deadite slayer exists in many universes, and that Evil Dead is part of the Marvel multiverse. Various different comics, from one-shots to miniseries, to ongoing series reference other Army of Darkness comics events, but also contradict or completely ignore others. Ash travels to the Marvel universe in one comic, and talks about the Thing as his favorite Marvel character in another, while also referencing events that happen in comics that are consider by the writers or the fans to be canon to a separate timeline. Is it similar events? Different intentions by different creators? Both? Neither? Yes and no. It's all of them, and it's none of them. Even the Evil Dead movies themselves have continuity errors from film to film and from interview to interview. Sometimes they make a joke about it, like where Ash found the book. Sometimes the statements of different creators are completely in contradiction with one another. Evil Dead 2013 is simultaneously a sequel to the very first Evil Dead film following the intended ending of Ash dying, but Lee Cronin, writer/director of Evil Dead Rise claims that the book in 2013 is separate from the book in the Raimi movies and the show. Army of Darkness comics have a LOT of crossovers. Hack/Slash, Nightmare on Elm Street, Friday the 13th, Vampirella, Red Sonja, Xena, Bubba Ho-Tep, Danger Girl, Re-Animator, etc. Most of those are under Dynamite comics. All of the Dynamite series have reboots at one point or another. Whether it's complete, or partial. here a character that originally came from Marvel comics alongside Conan the Barbarian (pretty sure it's Red Sonja) and has appeared alongside Spider-Man in the Marvel Comics 616 universe was rebooted under Dynamite to be the daughter of the original Red Sonja. But... If the daughter of the original Red Sonja is in the same universe as Ash, who is in a different universe from Marvel, but that Red Sonja's mother was in the Marvel universe, then... Why and how are they in the same timeline/universe? Are they connected at all? Pick any comics franchise. Follow the crossovers to their end (if they have one), and you'll come across so many inconsistencies and contradictions. Two characters that exist in the same universe as each other, but the first of them exists separately from other character, whiile the second exists simultaneously with those same characters. Follow a crossover to its original universe and then to another crossover to that crossover's original universe, and despite the crossovers being said to exist in the same universe as the source material, the distant, unrelated crossover characters exists in separate universes. By now I've repeated the same point over and over. Continuity is a bitch, and rarely makes sense or works. You can follow one franchise easily enough, but if you try to follow related brands, things just get more confusing and complicated. Hell, even specific universes don't have perfect continuity, let alone messy continuity from crossovers. So does Ash Williams really exist in the same timeline as Vampirella, Red Sonja, Re-Animator, Freddy Kruger, Jason Voorhees, and Cassie Hack, characters he's interacted with? That's up to you to decide. Sure, he's met them. But they've met people that don't exist in his world. They've also occasionally met the same people he has, but despite being the same people reference events that never happened in the world in which they met Ash. So... I guess the real question is: What is continuity? My answer is that it's just a collection of facts that will drive you insane if you try to keep them perfectly consistent (won't stop me from trying, though). What's your answer?

[@trpoihgg]

At the end of spectacular spider-man he's still 16 years old. So emh might have took place 1 yr after events spectacular spidey

[@jalocool2807]

That still doesn’t explain things

[@qman2061]

I am never changing my mind They are in the same universe #RestoreTheYostVerse

[@sb6196]

Good for you I'm not changing my mind either they're not in the same universe.

[@qman2061]

@@sb6196 and I respect ur mind

[@haydentcem]

I imagine them as the same universe just to spite Sony

[@shelbybayer200]

All versions of Spiderman/Peter Parker's got his powers at the age of 15

[@fushhiii]

Spider man EMH looks identical like ultimate Spider-Man

[@nerds-nonsense]

THE POWER IS IN THE HANDS OF THE FANDOM Great stuff as always!

[@clarktooncrossing3975]

Whether or not they're in the same universe doesn't really matter. What truly matters is that in a world where fans got the Snyder Cut released, why can't we do the same for the Keaton cut of these EMH episodes? Screw Drake Bell, I wanna hear the original recordings, dagnabit!

[@jalocool2807]

I don’t see what the big deal is there’s nothing wrong with the voice

[@clarktooncrossing3975]

@@jalocool2807 In terms of his actual performance? Nothing. Heck, Bell was better on this show than he ever was in Ultimate Spidey. In terms of him as an actual person? Yeah, I'd rather not have my favorite superhero voiced by a child predator. And even then, Disney screwed Keaton over and I just want the option to hear his version of the episodes. I wanna hear his Spider-Man quip alongside Steve Blums's Wolverine!

[@zinkrichardson1949]

It's funny. Sometimes my mind merges the continuities and sometimes its doesn't. I honestly respect the spirit of cohesion, but it's just a show. I great show, but a work of fiction envisioned by several very talented people. My mind won't break however I envision it. Sometimes cross continuity or taking it seriously is just all of us having fun.

[@PrestonK_Productions]

This reminds me of Akuma is in Tekken, but it's not a shared universe, just that the Tekken universe had an identical Akuma.

[@thehale_]

The way I go about deciding if something is canon or not is: “If it doesn’t contradict the confirmed canon material, then it’s canon.”

[@jalocool2807]

Okay, I get what you are saying and I 100% agree we decide what’s Canon or not , even if it is Headcanon. But for me : I think spectacular Spider-Man is like it own thing like Sam Raimi’s Spider-Man. But tbh I will not be mad if spectacular Spider-Man is Cannon if Greg Weidman had a different answer since he did worked on the show. The Spider-Man from avengers EMH seems like a different version of Spider-Man, sure there are some similarities but not exactly. Yes, Christopher Yost did say that Spiderman “was originally” gonna be the same one But that didn’t happen. And also according to Marvel (since they DO own petty much all of their comics, TV, movie, game properties after all), they’re NOT in the same universe. But if Marvel says so as officially canon, then there you go. (tbh it will be really cool to see that Version of Spider-Man have a spin off show) So yeah, the Peter Parker who’ve appeared in avengers earth’s mightiest heroes is NOT the same Peter Parker who’ve appeared in spectacular, they’re completely different characters altogether.

[@xanderw7930]

Actually if it wasnt a massive legal nightmare spectacular spiderman would've been featured prominently in the ultimate spiderman spiderverse ark

[@autumbreeze1129]

Funnily enough, this video, actually explains how Spectacular is in Spiderverse could happen WITHOUT ruining Spectacular. What does this mean? EMHA's Spider-Man is the one we see in Spiderverse. He just looks like Spectacular Spider-Man's design because it's who was was originally planned to be and travelling between Earths gives him this odd effect. It's not the best solution, but it's something better than ruining Spectacular as a whole, right?

[@kyngtrashmouthyt9374]

I’m still upset after all this time that the spectacular Spider-Man was cancelled to me personally to give the character some sort of closure I’ll count EMH Spider-Man and Spectacular being the same Spider-Man

[@Protosilver97]

Where did the Marvel Fandom page get the information of SSM and EMH being different universes.

[@sayansaha155]

Since Spectacular spider man ended with season 2 (at a crossroads of sorts) that Peter Parker lost the growth potential. Sure EMH Spidey can be considered the same Spidey from spectacular, but I don't want to. Sure, maybe it's because the timelines of the shows are years apart but i have a trouble accepting that the Avengers didn't exist during Spectacular spider man (if it is connected to EMH). And SHIELD didn't exists. And other villainous factions of the greater Marvel universe didn't exist. Sure EMH gave way to those villainous factions, but EMH Spidey is also fundamentally different from Spectacular Spidey. I mean they are both Peter Parkers so they have that going on. Also i just really want to keep the two shows separate. For sure Marvel 90s did the crossover interconnected tv shows better. And for for Assemble and Ultimate Spidey, no. They are not canon. What IS canon is the artstyle. Spider man in Avengers assemble is a well experienced hero who doesn't work for SHIELD, while Spider man in Ultimate is a founding member of Shield academy and a teacher. He's too actively involved with SHIELD.

[@nouralain2219]

I love this version of this spider-man from earth's mightiest heroes but suit looks smillar to ultimate spider-man but imagne in beyond the spider-verse earth's mightiest heroes spider-man meets ultimate spider-man they would say your suit looks similar i hope that happens #SaveTheYostverse

[@spider-manunknown9193]

It’s not sadly it’s been confirmed that their own separate universe.

[@DiamondKingJack21]

Stark towers, becomes avengers headquarters, and then: fantastic headquarter.

[@Eagercheetah20]

Actually the time skip in homecoming was revealed to be a mistake it was meant to be 6 years later but they put 8 by mistake

[@PillarofGarbage]

Sure, it’s a mistake, but so is the Hawkeye/MetLife building thing. The point is that they’re mistakes which are undeniably present in the finished product.

[@Eagercheetah20]

@@PillarofGarbage true but for the Hawkeye one I just thought the building changed during the 5 years when everyone was snapped/blipped away and they really should fix the time skip card in homecoming

[@victorhernandez5013]

In my mind they are the same because I love the idea that Spectacular Spider-Man in the same universe as EMH and WatX

[@TheMCNanno]

before watching this; I'm 95% positive EMH Spidey is Ultimate Spider-Man Spidey. post watching; I'm fine with this, but I still think it's ultimate spidey. and while there are errors in the Bible, none are that of coninuity, but actually that of spelling (this comes from a scholar)

[@Random-Draw-Time]

That Sponsor Bit made me Audibly crack up

[@sherryelder9511]

I'd love to see how hulk and wasp and spider man whold get along

[@sherryelder9511]

And if spectacular spiderman an emh are the same guy how should spectacular spiderman's Venum will react to the avengers

[@SSJofZ]

Spectacular Spider-Man is the best Spider-Man cartoon and EMH is the best Marvel cartoon.

[@DiamondKingJack21]

If it exists in digital media, it's happening in another universe. A connected, yet alternate universe.

[@BigFatMonkey9629]

I like to see it as an epilogue to spectacular spider-man

[@ibrahix._2648]

Spectacular Spider-Man is the best Spider-Man by far he’s the best in animated and live action

[@martyparty7086]

It honestly works better for me that they are connected it gives us more yostverse to watch

[@theincrediblespiderdude5454]

I think Spectacular supposed to be Cannon to EMH but it can't because they couldn't use a series that Marvel Doesn't created. Because Spectacular Spider Man isn't created by Marvel was created by Sony. Even Marvel Comics doesn't let Greg Wiseman continue the series in comic format as EMH.

[@Mars_yt699]

I like what ultimate spiderman did with the spiderverse especially miles morels and ben riley (scarlet spider)

[@FrenchieBlack07045]

Y’all seem to forget that EMH was referenced twice in avengers assemble and ultimate spider man

[@dionysisnance4204]

spectacular spider man will always be the best spiderman cartoon every but the old marvel cartoon the just at their peak it basically like the 2003 teen titans the generation that grew on the shows were far better then the ones that are currently on

[@c4r7s0n]

If anything the Pete from EMH looks more like Ultimate rather than Spectacular

[@CamboxSpidey]

Could you do another video on Wolverine and the X-men?

[@PillarofGarbage]

Hopefully soon!

[@robertkenny1201]

How sad that both Spectacular Spider-Man and Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes were both cancelled and replaced with such downgrades.

[@spideraty1529]

Who is your favorite superhero pillar of garbage

[@PillarofGarbage]

Favourite Avengers are Thor, Vision, and Hawkeye. Favourite X-Men are Iceman, Nightcrawler and Cyclops. Not sure about the rest!

[@fandeandreaarruti]

You should talk more about Spectacular in the chanel.

[@wayfarinwanderer]

That scientology bit caught me off guard

[@PillarofGarbage]

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