This investigation left more questions than answers and I don't understand why it took over 2 years for the NTSB to reach the conclusion they did. One of the best pieces of advice I ever got about flying was don't try anything dumb, dangerous, or different. Unfortunately, I think this tragedy met at least two of those criteria. If you want to see another tragedy that might be similar, check out the Jenny Blaylock crash debrief here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYK4hGBsiKeNsK8
@nedmilburn9 ай бұрын
I really like your content! Good length format too! (Mentour Now is often WAY too long, and he includes annoying endorsements.) Please keep this up! And I think you should work for the NTSB on crash investigations. 👍🏼👍🏼
@cdpgbc-mw2kz9 ай бұрын
Greetings from Canada. You have a superb channel. I do not fly, but enjoy your analysis and explanation. Thank you.
@danepatterson81079 ай бұрын
The pilot must have been a powerful person or from a powerful family. The NTSB is, as a rule, relentlessly thorough. The absence of flight data tells us that an external (to the NTSB) stakeholder used influence to preclude the release of specific details because (I hypothesize) the pilot was some time of government 'asset.' If not that, perhaps he was from a very powerful family. The fact that the NTSB mentioned drugs as a causal factor also points to deception about the pilot. Psychiatrists would tell you that those medications do not impact cognitive performance. I'd really like to know more about the pilot... (but I won't be searching for it! :) )
@michaelgarrow32399 ай бұрын
I took the private checkride 3 times. A year later I flew my instrument checkride in actual instrument conditions. And got a recommendation from the examiner for a corporate pilot job.
@nedmilburn9 ай бұрын
@@danepatterson8107 NTSB may indeed be relentlessly thorough on major crashes, but with these smaller single death crashes it seems clear (and Hoover on Pilot Debrief shows this in several cases) that the NTSB misses important points.
@gadsdenconsulting71269 ай бұрын
Apparently, not everyone at the NTSB is cut out to be an investigator, either.
@thor32799 ай бұрын
"well, they're slow, but they do poor work." I think everyone there (esp the people at the top) AREN'T meant to be investigators. Can you imagine how frustrating it's got to be for the people in that organization who ARE competent to work in such an inefficient, expensive group that produces such useless information?
@gadsdenconsulting71269 ай бұрын
@@thor3279 I can imagine, because I was in their shoes at a small sheriff's office some years ago. However, unless every investigator there has a micromanaging boss, it escapes me how the most elementary of tasks are ignored, such as interviewing people whose input is valuable to the investigation. Hoover points out these flops from the NTSB quite regularly. Investigations 101...
@ryanpenrod18599 ай бұрын
Seriously, it seems like they just throw random NTSB employees onto the investigation instead of hiring, you know, an actual investigator.
@Despiser259 ай бұрын
Govt employment is where you go when you cant do anything useful based on intelligence.
@fighterjetsteve9 ай бұрын
Yeah...... that's because NTSB investigators are diversity hires. They're qualified by their Harvard degrees in plagarism.😅😅😅😅
@WampumGirl517 ай бұрын
I really am enjoying your videos. I am a senior female but back in the 80's I dated a doctor who owned a Beech Bonanza AKA "The Doctor Killer". The first time he landed this brand new plane he didn't have the landing gear down. The other thing is that he had narcolepsy which meant he would fall asleep. He would get the plane up and set on auto pilot. He would tell me to watch the horizon and listen to the squawk box. Once we were flying to the coast and of course he was asleep and listening to the hum of the engine I too fell asleep. Yep.... scary. We woke up out over the ocean and had no idea where we were. I then took a Pinch Hitter course so I could take over if I had too. I lasted about 2 years in that relationship and am glad I am out. He didn't die in a plane crash but of a drug overdose. I am lucky to still be here.
@Polecat1016 ай бұрын
Too crazy not to be true 😁
@charliealpha88885 ай бұрын
Years ago, when I was working at new york flight service, a pilot called and asked if our lights were on🤔. I had him hold his Mike and used our direction finder and informed him that he was east of Islip. He took it from there. He might have been over the ocean also after falling asleep 😮
@Sashazur4 ай бұрын
Wow you definitely dodged a bullet!
@daveg-Vancouver_Island3 ай бұрын
That’s insane!!
@alexshmalexАй бұрын
I'm astonished that someone diagnosed with narcolepsy would ever be granted a pilot's licence.
@kwd31099 ай бұрын
I like this channel because the host gets right into his investigation without wasting time with intro music, cgi or lengthy montages. Excellent research and presentation.
@pilot-debrief9 ай бұрын
Thank you so much!
@catserver85779 ай бұрын
Same.
@augidogi19 ай бұрын
Agreed. Love the way he gets directly into the story without adding a bunch of superfluous details. Hoover, really great videos, if I could make one small recommendation it would be to work on toning down your hand gestures.
@Capecodham9 ай бұрын
Try Mentour Pilot, he takes what should be a ten-minute video and makes it 40 minutes.
@JaximusDecimus19 ай бұрын
@@augidogi1 Allow the man to gesticulate, sir!
@carlam66699 ай бұрын
When I retired I decided to tick an item off my bucket list, namely getting my pilot’s license. After nearly two years and about 80 hours of instruction I had yet to be cleared to solo and decided I just was not cut out for this. I never had enough mental bandwidth to communicate on the radio and land at the same time. I have absolutely no regrets about the attempt and have many great memories. At one point I took an introductory lesson in a helicopter and though normal flight was not difficult, hovering is incredibly hard. At another point I got to fly a P-51 Mustang and the instructor even let me perform an aileron roll! A real E-Ticket ride.
@shanesplanetshane37959 ай бұрын
ppg doesnt require radio. Well, mine does, cuz the pilot enjoys music!
@fredrohlfing59059 ай бұрын
You made the right choice.
@D64nz9 ай бұрын
Better to have loved and lost, than never to have flown at all. And it takes a great person to know when they have met their match.
@grayrabbit22119 ай бұрын
I give you a huge thumbs up for being able to admit that it wasn't the right thing for you to do. So many people don't have the guts to admit it. Not that it's something to look down upon. Not everyone is meant to do everything. I have a friend who works the ticket counter and gate for an airline - - I couldn't (not wouldn't, couldn't) do that job no matter what you pay me.
@christopherweise4389 ай бұрын
@@grayrabbit2211 - "I give you a huge thumbs up for being able to admit that it wasn't the right thing for you to do. So many people don't have the guts to admit it." Absolutely. Jenny Blalock comes to mind. She was the last person to realize she shouldn't have been a pilot.
@garylawrence75479 ай бұрын
Many years ago my flight instructor once admonished me when he said “would you rather be up there wishing you were down here, or down her wishing you were up there”?
@Jez1963UK9 ай бұрын
That's a great question.
@maxwellcrazycat92049 ай бұрын
Here her! Can't just pullover up there.
@ChanceSarsis9 ай бұрын
i am up there wishing i was up there ;3; terrain... terrain.... pull up.... pull up...
@richardvoogd7059 ай бұрын
I have yet to see a cloud suitable for parking up while waiting for the equivalent of roadside assistance.
@jeanaprewitt96589 ай бұрын
One hasn't gotten stuck yet. They always come down. You just want to really have the knowledge, skills, and hours to be a pilot and not a passenger in the plane you're flying.
@davejones39579 ай бұрын
I was up with my son in a PA28-181 (Archer) and when we would try to land, coming across the numbers, the yoke would snap back toward me and the plane would quickly pitch up. We tried twice and aborted both landings. We double and triple verified that the autopilot was off, none of the white arrows illuminated. So I made the call to fly back to our home airport 20 minutes away that has 8000' runways and emergency equipment. While we were on the way back, I told my son to pull the A/P breaker. When he did, the yoke snapped back and the plane pitched up, but it resolved the problem and we landed normally. The root cause was found to be a warranty issue with the new autopilot where it was actually engaging in the background and adjusting trim. Was glad we just got out of the pattern to work on the issue.
@robstanton92159 ай бұрын
Great report Hoover. I live near San Antonio. I vaguely remember this incident. When it’s stated a guy has 1100 hours of flight time, your mind doesn’t go in a direction of inexperience or insecurity. But 60% of that being with an instructor paints a different picture entirely.
@noonedude1019 ай бұрын
5000 hours and I think I have around 100 dual received..? Half a guy’s total time coming up on ATP mins is nuts
@skywave129 ай бұрын
Back in the early 80's I soloed at 12 hours. Quite competent with controls etc. Even flew under the hood a few times. I stopped at 28 Hours on the book because knowing the cost of ownership/partnership would be increased over time. Boy was that correct. Today there are some with the opposite situation. Too much money and personal high expectations. This no doubt has a Dunning-Kruger affect related to the pilot. That is what caused this crash. @@noonedude101
@noonedude1019 ай бұрын
@user-zl2cj9ci4q Jealous.
@noonedude1019 ай бұрын
@@skywave12 It has gotten absolutely insane. I don’t fly unless I’m being paid for it now. I’d love to buy a light twin, but damn, it’s just out of the question right now. The one I want has an average hourly operating cost of around $650 and I just can’t justify it. It’s crazy how many people who CAN afford it just shouldn’t be in the air. Meanwhile, there are tens of thousands of young, fairly new airline pilots, who are well qualified, and could safely operate an aircraft, but just can’t afford it
@SkyWriter259 ай бұрын
@@skywave12 That's what I was thinking. The guy had too much money and was, thus, sadly able to afford something that was way too much aircraft for him.
@johnvanzoest45326 ай бұрын
Hoover, the thing I like about you is that you've spent time in the military, but managed to keep, (or regained) your ability to have a sense of empathy with the families who have lost loved ones in accidents. Experience tempered by compassion is a VERY valuable perspective.
@markadams73289 ай бұрын
I can't imagine you researching, writing, filming, editing, etc., this high-quality concise presentation in less than 30-40 hours?! Which means you really love what you do, and really care about what information you share with fellow pilots!
@go55829 ай бұрын
Hi great comment.
@mickeysmiths9 ай бұрын
Yep, so many good videos out there where creators are passionate about what they present & how they present it 👍
@markadams73289 ай бұрын
@@mickeysmiths Exactly, I didn't mean to exclude anyone. ;-)
@AjGalloway959 ай бұрын
Man’s got a PROCESS
@pilot-debrief9 ай бұрын
Yes, it is a bit of work to research and put these together but I'm happy to do it if it makes a difference!
@kellydiver8 ай бұрын
In my experience after 40 years of practice in mental health, Zoloft (sertraline) is most commonly prescribed these days for generalized anxiety disorder and panic disorder. If he was an anxious guy, that could explain why he felt safer flying with an instructor. Thank you for saying that not everyone is cut out for flying. I flew as a private pilot for 25 years, but I had a non-flying incident that left me with PTSD and that drastically affected my self-confidence. Although I had great treatment and rarely have problems anymore, I have grounded myself from flying. I never want to be in a situation where anxiety interferes with my judgment and I end up putting people’s lives at risk. It’s really just that simple. I do miss it, though.
@Lurch-BotАй бұрын
The FAA has a draconian attitude towards mental healthcare. The absurd thing is that many pilots are delusional, arrogant and even sociopathic. But as long as they never seek treatment, it is OK for them to fly?!? As someone with PTSD, I am never more relaxed than when flying a plane. And therapy has given me a tremendous amount of self-control. Experiences I've had while flying have proven this. I would have been dead half a dozen times over while flying if I had the typical pilot mentality. Yet I will most likely never fly anything other than a LSA ever again because the FAA is too far up it's own butt to know how to evaluate whether or not a particular pilot is fit to fly. I've had diverse flight training including aerobatic flight, gliders and even a little bit of jet and helicopter time. I have had numerous instructors tell me I am a natural pilot. I'm A&P certified. Those experiences have saved my life while flying. I've stalled while turning onto final for a (real) short field landing at about 250ft AGL and I'm still here because I had unusual attitude recovery training. This is training most pilots don't get, including the overwhelming majority of airline pilots and it gets a lot of people killed. I think the standards for pilot licensing are far too lax and they were mostly penned at a time when people drove around in cars with no seat belts🤦♂ This is also why the FAA attitude towards mental healthcare is so draconian - the regs date back to a time when they still performed lobotomies. Sanity is not the default mode for humans and doesn't happen by accident. I'm sorry that your anxiety affects you in the air. I applaud you for making the right decision not to fly.
@keeponwishin9 ай бұрын
As a student pilot, I love these pilot debriefings. It’s terrible these things happen, but the best we can do to honor these peoples’ memories is to learn from whatever mistake(s) they made and to not let it happen again. May the pilot rest in peace and condolences to his loved ones.
@ayoconman58449 ай бұрын
Same! Beautifully said, I just passed my FAA written and my wife only watches these videos and it scares her
@wingmanjim69 ай бұрын
Yes, well said undeed !
@paulazemeckis78359 ай бұрын
@ayoconman5844 congratulations! Now go get your CPL with or without her (Hopefully with her).
@ayoconman58449 ай бұрын
@@paulazemeckis7835 ill do my best!
@tylernathan79859 ай бұрын
Regs and safe practices are always written in blood aren’t they?
@joncox97199 ай бұрын
As a Commercial Pilot and A&P/IA for 45 years, there is nothing worse than getting a brand new aircraft from the factory. It takes a good 100 hours to a year to work out all the little bugs in the airframe! I've taken delivery of brand new Bell 412's, Sikorsky S-76C+, Falcon 2000, and numerous Cessna Jets. Have found rags and red plastic fuel line shipping caps in the fuel cells and boost pumps. Found TWO boost pumps which should have had AN Plugs safety wired in the drain holes which are used to drain the fuel system, instead have red plastic shipping plugs still in the drain holes in the boost pump mounting plate, THAT was scary! It's "Usually" nothing major, but lot's of little things like electrical Gremlins! But, on average you can bet on the 100 hrs to 12 months to get everything working like it should! I'm sure you found the same to be true in the military when you got a brand new aircraft.
@JediOfTheRepublic9 ай бұрын
"there is nothing worse than getting a brand new aircraft from the factory." There is when that aircraft is a high performance aircraft and you have low time as a solo pilot.
@GaryL38039 ай бұрын
Automobiles are much the same, they are just much easier to park. EDIT: This is my second time through this video, carefully this time. I am picking up (I hope) a new high performance car soon. New cars are so much more sophisticated than cars of old and I expect to find some flaws. The problem is that many car dealerships are in financial trouble and having trouble keeping good mechanics so I'm concerned about their ability to troubleshoot and repair those flaws. Wonder whether that Cutter Aviation is experiencing the same issues. So, I resolve to be a hard-nosed customer and not accept, meaning pay for, the new car until I do a thorough inspection AND thorough test drive. After you accept a new vehicle you have very little leverage to encourage the dealer to pay attention to your problem(s). Sounds like he same applies to aircraft dealers.
@sammarmon39659 ай бұрын
You know those bolts that like hold the plane together? We are going to go ahead and tighten some of those!!
@brady34749 ай бұрын
Which is why, in the Navy when (even old planes) are transferred between like commands, when one would expect maintenance was all the same and reliable, the accepting command essentially takes the new (to them) aircraft apart, documents all parts , modifications and discrepancies, fixes everything and puts it all back together (obviously) before it is flown. And they always find problems in planes that are working just fine. You think every other maintenance department is a bunch of knuckleheads!
@horsemumbler19 ай бұрын
@@JediOfTheRepublic Not at all. As a new pilot you want some old reliable that's been well serviced. You want something that people have taking good care of fore a decade or two already so you know well and good what you're getting into.
@alsecen56749 ай бұрын
I appreciate that you are brave enough to say what I have always thought: flying isn't for everyone. I have had that conversation with students before. It is difficult and requires compassion and tact, but needs to be done at times.
@cremebrulee47599 ай бұрын
Thank you for having those difficult talks. You have likely saved at least one life.
@dr-ozone9 ай бұрын
In your experience, do you feel that these are genetic limitations of flying ability, or attitude / confidence issues that don't clear with more instruction, or both?
@fazole9 ай бұрын
@@dr-ozone As a former instructor with about 1200 dual given of different kinds of certification, it can be both. However, the guys who are dangerous because of attitude, usually have above average aptitude in my experience. They have contempt for learning the required book knowledge, however.
@dr-ozone9 ай бұрын
@@fazole appreciate your perspective. In your experience what percentage have to give up the dream of flying due to lack of genetic ability?
@greggyd3219 ай бұрын
Agreed!
@nancyjones67809 ай бұрын
Hiya Hoover! New member here! I absolutely adore this channel. I'm not a pilot but I find the process of flying cool and intense and the stories are so often sad. Thank you for making flying available for everyone ❤✈
@pilot-debrief9 ай бұрын
Awesome, thank you! Welcome!
@snappythom9 ай бұрын
Thank you for your work. I grew up the son of a USAF aircraft accident investigator who after his service went to the FAA. I find what you do very helpful and enlightening. THANK YOU.
@daveshepherd75829 ай бұрын
Often times it’s the parts that lead up to the accident that get neglected. Thanks for diving in to uncover that information, it can help explain the “why” part.
@rodneywallace29849 ай бұрын
Exactly... The NTSB report might as well have said the probable cause was 'hit the ground'... Doesn't look like they worked that hard over 2 years to come to the result they did
@Capecodham9 ай бұрын
This fellow is by far the best in aircraft videos, no unnecessary BS in order to make the video longer for more revenue.
@RobPetty6229 ай бұрын
If you like this, look up Blancolirio.
@TheCyberMantis9 ай бұрын
You don't like blancolirio?
@dylannix42898 ай бұрын
Though part of me hopes he might make compilation videos of these shorter breakdowns in the future. Similar to what Rex’s Hangar has started doing with his older aviation history videos. Because 1. It’s simply more convenient because KZbin’s playlist function has been buggy for ages and it doesn’t seem like they’ll be fixing that any time soon 2. More revenue, which Hoover wholeheartedly deserves
@nickr56588 ай бұрын
He’s quite critical of private pilots.
@RichA7CV419 ай бұрын
Another excellent video Hoover. I agree, the lack of communication with the CFI is concerning. Also, I remember how hard it was for me to say "you know what, I'm not good enough to fly in this weather" and either drive, or just make the trip for another day. One of the most important "abilities" a good pilot should have is admit your own weaknesses. There is no shame in saying "I'm not ready for this flight" or "I need a co-pilot for this aircraft until I'm more efficient with it". Unfortunately it sounds to me that someone lost their life because he was in over his head not only with the aircraft, but also the weather. Thanks again for your ability to analyze a tragic accident, while maintaining the dignity of all those involved.
@FSEVENMAN9 ай бұрын
Do you know why they call him Hoover? Because he sucks 😮 Any content provider that sits there second-guessing the NTSB doesn't have nearly the amount of information the NTSB does, additionally they lack the experience the NTSB has no other investigative outfit has ever done better than the NTSB,😊 so quit kissing Hoover's ass.😢
@jeffp8629 ай бұрын
I don’t think that’s what this video did at all. It denounces the guy for having spent extra time getting instruction to his level he felt safe. It denounces him for likely having a right seat instructional pilot for too long. . And this pilot did a damn good job flying the flight all the way til the airplane wouldn’t get on heading while coupled. I don’t really see how that was the pilot getting in over his head . It’s easy to get behind the airplane when something fails and there’s maint. records of their being a trim issue. I also think it was borderline negligent for the NTSB (which normally does a great job) not to have spoken to instructors to find out more I’d expect more from them the explanations of these accidents help to teach the rest of us and keep us safer. I personally think single engine , single pilot IFR is asking for trouble but people pull lt off a lot (until they don’t.) a lot can go wrong that’s for sure.
@garytravis93479 ай бұрын
Except that he clearly and repeatedly states he doesn't have all the same information that the NTSB has. Hoover then explains that this information which the public lacks could be why NTSB has come to the conclusions it has. I see it as calling out NTSB for not providing the information needed to prevent second guessing.@@FSEVENMAN
@RichA7CV419 ай бұрын
@@jeffp862 That is true. Too bad there is just not a lot of information as to how the autopilot was actually working (or not). I know I've gotten behind the aircraft a few times myself. I think we all do at one point or another. Just seems to me he needed the extra help just based on history. But alas, we will probably never know. Tragedy regardless.... and the NTSB simply didn't do their usual thorough job here.
@andrewagner20359 ай бұрын
@@FSEVENMANNo, oh hell no. Lots of red flags here, that was not mentioned by the NTSB!
@geneharrel7739 ай бұрын
Your analysis of current and past accidents is excellent. On my one F-15D flight over twenty years ago my pilot (who was also my boss) conducted a thorough pre-flight brief despite it only being an "incentive" flight. His total pro attitude has stuck with me to this day and your de-briefs are a joy to watch. After getting my private ticket almost twenty years I will be getting back into the cockpit after a long absence. Every time I watch one of your de-briefs I file it away for the day (soon I hope) when I get back to what I've loved for so long. G. Harrel, USAF (ret.)
@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling9 ай бұрын
I really respect your presentation and thoroughness in these pilot debriefs Hoover. I'm not a pilot but can understand what you are saying by how you explain it. Thank you.
@pilot-debrief9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@nfcboys19849 ай бұрын
As a non pilot, I really appreciate your videos Hoover. I charter quite a bit, and the more I learn, the more I conduct due diligence on both the aircraft, and the pilots that I fly with… Outstanding videos sir. Also, if your looking for what I think would be a GREAT VIDEO TO COVER, check out the crash of Matt Axtell who was a dear friend of mine who died in a plane crash, along with the pilot who owned the aircraft and a ranch hand. Matt was from Aspen, and the circumstances are absolutely unreal! You will see for yourself if you choose to look into this. The accident aircraft was ALSO A PIPER PA-46.
@moonmullins82279 ай бұрын
WOW, the extra information you provided about that pilot is so much more valuable the anything the NTSB says.
@JakesMusicPalace9 ай бұрын
Just because you can afford an expensive aircraft, and hundreds of hours of IFR flight instruction does not mean you should be a pilot, especially in IFR conditions. A new complex turbine aircraft, with known multiple trim issues, single pilot, 13:10 with only 6 hours flying in IFR as single pilot is simply foolish. This is a very sad example of a chain of events that resulted in yet another general aviation incident that affects all other pilots in a very negative way, as to public opinion and insurance rates. Prayers to his family for this unfortunate incident. What really boils my blood is that the NTSB did not investigate the obvious other clues that led up to this catastrophe, especially the runaway trim issues that were noted in the log. To eliminate the trim NTSB issues, did any other certified instructors experience this when flying this specific aircraft under hire instructing this man
@sawyerhja9 ай бұрын
I do like your attention to detail and objectivity. I used to fly out of Biggin Hill (UK) - our instructors, when asked about cloud, simply replied "DON'T". The message was very clear.
@JB-yb4wn9 ай бұрын
Spitfire or Hurricane?
@sawyerhja9 ай бұрын
@@JB-yb4wn I wish, I wish
@paulazemeckis78359 ай бұрын
So in other words you didn't fly much!
@JB-yb4wn9 ай бұрын
@@sawyerhja They also had Sopwith Camels, that airport has been around since 1916.
@sawyerhja9 ай бұрын
@@paulazemeckis7835 Cessna 172, Cherokee. Great fun
@MartianSolarbuddy9 ай бұрын
It’s always a joyful moment when I realize a new Hoover video has dropped! You have the tightest and most compelling analyses of anybody looking at GA accidents. Great work.
@juliajohnson60229 ай бұрын
Hoover, I think you are “spot on” with your conclusions on this crash. Sounds like that pilot was not secure in his abilities and probably shouldn’t have become a pilot.
@hondo811 күн бұрын
Thanks Hoover..although i have flown in Alaska for 35 years..lots of off strip and weather and mountain flying..i learn from others mistakes and you remind me to be conscious about situational flying and warning signs to be conscious of. Thank you again..Conrad
@cherylernst23439 ай бұрын
I always learn something on your channel. Thanks for the brutally honest opinions. Too often, pilot error is glazed over. Coming from a small airport that has had several crashes, every one of them was avoidable. They were attributed to pilot error in some form or another. The members who sat in the fixed base and didn't speak up in some situations didn't help either. I believe in "see something, say something". But unfortunately that does not apply to many of my peers.
@cremebrulee47599 ай бұрын
See something even if you don't think it is relevant. An investigator needs as much information as possible. Sometimes the most unlikely factor turns out to be significant.
@_BMS_9 ай бұрын
Just wanted to say that I appreciate your tactful and respectful yet still honestly probing approach here.
@F1fan0079 ай бұрын
You are 100% correct. It’s good that he recognized that he needed lots of instruction, but he may be one of those individuals that relied too much on the instructor, didn’t apply himself and had an aircraft he can afford, but way too much airplane for his abilities. I’m a firm believer in utilizing MS Flight Simulator or X Pilot at home to learn to safely and comfortably fly the airplane in all modes. Repeating tasks over and over again until you can routinely do what’s necessary for a flight you are about to take is extremely useful. He could have practiced using the autopilot in the simulator and flying the identical IFR flight on the simulator beforehand. Too many pilots are too lazy, proud or stubborn to practice on a simulator. It’s so critical for a pilot to thoroughly understand his systems, whether it’s a 172 or a Gulfstream.
@D64nz9 ай бұрын
I saw the same thing on the Motorcross track. So many rich middle-aged guys with all the gear and none of the experience. If you don't work your way up through the classes you're gonna have a really bad time. The difference obviously is you can just step off of a bike. Once you're in the sky, that's it until you safely land again.
@F1fan0079 ай бұрын
Good analogy!
@FINfinFINfinFINfin3 ай бұрын
@@D64nz They have to be rich to afford a dirt bike? LMAO!
@the_phaistos_disk_solution6 ай бұрын
You are without doubt the most intelligent aviator on youtube. This is earned and you have not even taken the audience into the fighter jet! Before then we will be blown away by a ride in a commercial jumbo jet!
@davidp28889 ай бұрын
Clear, concise and straightforward explanation. That’s one thing I like about your channel.
@piearm12719 ай бұрын
One of the best analyses of an accident I’ve watched. There are often segments of accidents that seem to have been glossed over almost as though the key outcomes of the investigation are set and then dictate the report. Like pilot saturation the key pints swamp the various points at which the incident could have been prevented. Sympathies to the pilot and their family.
@GentleResponseLLC9 ай бұрын
Another sad example of buying too much airplane for the skill level and confidence level at the time. Great post! Very informative, and is why I follow you and others to really learn what happened and what I can do to NOT have you talk about me!
@jeffp8629 ай бұрын
How was this a too much airplane situation? What about this airplane was too much for the pilot?
@53roger9 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree with your observation, too much airplane-too little skill. This gentleman obviously had money to spare...I wonder if during his time of flying any of the instructors had the guts to tell the guy (because he is rich) 'you know, piloting may really not be for you' but riding with a professional pilot would be in your best interest. The instructor(s) have to live with their choices
@JB-yb4wn9 ай бұрын
I think John Kennedy Jr died in very much the same way. Too much aircraft for his ability.
@skyrunr9 ай бұрын
@@jeffp862 Faster planes give you less time to aviate (saturation mentioned in the video.) Most training is done is slower (cheaper to operate) planes with more room for error, and you get used to that extra comfort of time. Helicopters are kind of the opposite. Visibility is generally worse. More technology "glass" panels can be a burden/distraction versus traditional panels. Just like modern car.
@cremebrulee47599 ай бұрын
@@jeffp862isn't that what they are saying?
@craigmayo3156 ай бұрын
I appreciate all your videos! As a beginner pilot I am trying to learn everything I can. Your videos are very educational! Thank you for the detailed explanation of each video! I appreciate how respectful you are to the families of the deceased.
@flyingcountryboy9 ай бұрын
Thanks Hoover. I appreciate the information you dig up to share with us pilots still alive.
@johnw89278 ай бұрын
I spent 8 years in the Air Force, first as a T-38 IP at Willy, then a B-52 AC at Blytheville. I was hired by Delta in 91 and just recently retired. I wanted to compliment you on your thorough and detailed analysis' of these aircraft incidents. (not bad for an Eagle driver...lol). Well done!
@ronellis83129 ай бұрын
Very respectfully presented and instructional. Helps keep us all aware on good decision making. Thank you
@Martin_Adams1846 ай бұрын
Such a clear, disciplined debrief! I find it remarkable that the NTSB dealt with it in the way you describe. It suggests a failure on their part to look behind the obvious surface of things. It's a sad story. Thank you!
@alvarvillalongamarch38949 ай бұрын
Thanks for your insights,Hoover.I can just imagine the desperation of the poor pilot,after his autopilot failed to engage.By the way,flying Ifr in high performance aircraft,with non professional and or current ratings,is highly dangerous.For such expensive planes,It's a good safety measure to have a professional pilot by your side.Very sorry for his loss.My condolences to his family and friends.
@directorneilmellor68718 ай бұрын
Hoover your analysis of these accidents is incredibly useful. I am 64 years old and halfway through my instrument endorsement. All of these flight reviews continue to force me to prepare for all of the weather possibilities and also review my own capabilities. Thank you! Please keep the reviews coming.
@kelvinnoden30579 ай бұрын
As with learning to drive it sounds to me like the pilot was never gonna be in a position of being competent to fly without an instructor, sometimes you just have say "I ain't gonna ever grasp this" again nicely and compassionately explained hoover 👍
@clifflong12033 ай бұрын
Hello Hoover, I love your breakdown and deep dives into what ACTUALLY happened! Thank you for taking the time to make it real and understandable! Cheers from a veteran of 4th TAC Fighter Wing, 335th TAC Fighter Sq!🇺🇸
@rallyden9 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis. Why the NTSB doesn’t mention what you said is mind boggling. Maybe those investigators at the GA level don’t really fly and don’t really understand the situation.
@GaryL38039 ай бұрын
GA is probably where the DEI hires go.
@nickrails9 ай бұрын
@GaryL3803 FFS really? Take the racism elsewhere buddy
@GaryL38039 ай бұрын
@@nickrails Really? Just a fact.
@nickrails9 ай бұрын
@@GaryL3803 How is 'probably' a fact? How is positing an unfounded evidence free opinion using the word 'probably' suddenly transform into a 'fact'?
@scarybaldguy9 ай бұрын
@@GaryL3803Yeah, funny how until about a month ago nobody had heard of DEI and now all the racists (looking directly at YOU) blame it on everything. Last year it was wokeness, year before that it was CRT. You just can't be happy unless you're flying your Klan flag.
@wingmanjim69 ай бұрын
I continue to be impressed by the dedicated research you do as well as the factual, to the point presentation of the circumstances and conclusions which is extremely condusive to understanding what could/should have been done differently, and how we, as pilots can be aware of potential errors and pitfalls. I cannot express how valuable your insights have been - thank you once again !
@gzk6nk9 ай бұрын
Great analysis, Hoover. I can't understand why the NTSB report did not highlight the grossly disproportionate solo hours to instructional hours in this pilot's history, nor the fact that this was his FIRST solo IFR flight in the aeroplane. It seems like they missed the bleedin' obvious here, the elephant in the room, and should have followed up with his instructors as to the pilot's competence, or lack of it.
@haroldnelson37349 ай бұрын
"The elephant in the room" is an excellent term to use here. What level of NTSB incompetence does it take to miss such a monstrous pachyderm?!
@JediOfTheRepublic9 ай бұрын
I think everyone grossly don't understand that a low time solo pilot shouldn't be flying a Meridian. Everyone keeps glossing over that important detail.
@mikearakelian63689 ай бұрын
Going to get worse...FAA higher ing handicapped controlers; those with audio,visual mental disabilities
@haroldnelson37349 ай бұрын
Well then, I'm qualified! I already wear an orthopedic hat. Maybe it's time for a career change for me. Thanks for the tip!@@mikearakelian6368
@87mini9 ай бұрын
@@mikearakelian6368 🤣🤣Don't buy that silly conspiracy stuff, and think before you believe something you read or hear. The FAA hires more people than controllers. I did business with an agency that had a vision impaired receptionist who was amazing - mind like a trap and could remember everyone's name, number and office number -everyone in the office and the clients loved her. I've also been to businesses who had hearing impaired staff that did just fine. And there are plenty of jobs that can be handled by functionally autistic and developmentally disabled persons. Jumping to conclusions that diversity hiring like that will lead to hiring blind and deaf air traffic controllers is just ridiculous.
@SembuaHumpdediddle9 ай бұрын
he was starting to become overwhelmed.
@ELECTRICMOTOCROSSMACHINE9 ай бұрын
The NTSB has become ineffective at their job, unfortunately. Another great show, thanks.
@Sam-tg4ii5 ай бұрын
have been binge-watching your awesome videos. It's great you keep them around 15 minutes and not longer like some other channels
@adventurepilot38159 ай бұрын
Great video as always. I feel sorry for the pilot, a $2.5mill new plane full of problems and blowing your confidence in it and not even 50 hours on the airframe! A runaway trim with 600 feet base alone is a scary thought never mind instruments going blank for a guy that had 7 hours solo in that A/C. The points you make that are not within the NTSB report are highly relevant and a little disappointing on their front. Spending so much on investigations but skipping out on highly relevant factors. Keep up the great videos, so much to learn and gain from them.
@LarrydWoodruff9 ай бұрын
The reason I really like watching your vids, you seem to dig deep and think things out before you release your video. Thank you
@brianmuhlingBUM9 ай бұрын
Thanks Hoover, well presented documentary.
@AzovAzza9 ай бұрын
So much respect for the way you present your content. Can’t tell you how grateful I am for the way you treat the victims you discuss in your debriefs. Even if it’s the fault of the pilot/poor decision making, you still show so much respect. I appreciate that, very much. I appreciate you, Hoover. Keep it up brother!
@eticket709 ай бұрын
2x tries and then scrap and reroute! Sad he did not take a step back and ask for help sooner! Hoover, you are so right, back to basics!!
@johnstudd42458 ай бұрын
Assuming the ILS detection electronics were working, which seems to be the case because his complaint was that it just was not coupling. He could have hand flown the ILS. Which Hoover briefly mentioned but should have been more important. He had an instrument rating, he was getting vectors to intercept.... I would think to pass an IFR check ride he would have had to demonstrate the ability to hand fly an ILS approach using the instruments and not depending on the autopilot.
@CyberSystemOverload9 ай бұрын
Hands down the best debrief channel. Hoover gets right to the point with clear concise commentary. Another tragic accident that need never have happened.
@privateer05619 ай бұрын
I know a fellow who is without question a narcissist; these are people who project confidence in their competence but who do not actually possess competence. It is all about projecting the illusion of competence. Some years ago he wanted to obtain a pilot's license and went about training with an instructor friend of his. He flew many times with the instructor but never soloed and eventually gave up when it came time to be responsible for himself. He invited me several times to fly with him and his instructor but I had no illusions about the danger involved despite the presence of an instructor, whom I also didn't trust. Indeed, on one of his flights, he told me after landing he ran out of gas taxiing in, which confirmed the low opinion I already held for his instructor. Imagine missing the approach/going around and then running out of gas while low and slow. The instructor eventually obtained employment with Alaska Airlines...
@Lurch-BotАй бұрын
If you're a narcissist, it is perfectly OK in aviation but if you have some minor depression or anxiety, you're unfit to fly. What a broken system we have.
@nickmcdonald429 ай бұрын
Thanks for this deep-dive into all of the facts (discovered) contributing to this accident. We often read of these seemingly “falling out of the sky” incidents but never hear of the NTSB report outcomes without a search. I’m a SCUBA diver and entirely agree with your conclusions re: never taking this specific trip solo in the first place.
@misskitty21339 ай бұрын
Hi Hoover, love the longer than usual video! This is such a tragedy; never should have happened. I’ve seen it before however where people with money assume that if they can buy something it gives them automatic license to use it. It’s a sort of blind arrogance to assume they just can’t fail. So sad.
@ynot17166 ай бұрын
Great unbiased analysis. Keep up the GREAT work. I am not a pilot, but your analysis and investigatory approach is unwavering.
@robertmendenhall13509 ай бұрын
That was a really good debrief very good thank you for sharing
@JuliePlott9 ай бұрын
I'm not a pilot and I've never flown a plane, but I enjoy your channel. You make it very interesting!!!
@aljolie48259 ай бұрын
The top lady over the NTSB only has a moped license, No flight experience at all, I have no faith in what they do anymore! Thank You for all you do Hover....
@sarahalbers55559 ай бұрын
There are a lot of highly trained, intelligent women who would do this job, waaaaay better than J.H. What is she doing in this critical position?
@tonyshield53689 ай бұрын
The NTSB also looks at moped accidents. - and a few other things that move.
@cremebrulee47599 ай бұрын
This is incredible to me. I don't understand why they would put someone with no applicable qualifications in that position.
@cremebrulee47599 ай бұрын
@@sarahalbers5555 that is an excellent question.
@safa47869 ай бұрын
Seriously??!!!
@harrydecker91599 ай бұрын
Good debrief, appreciate your attention to detail, very insightful. Thanks for sharing.
@donjohnston37769 ай бұрын
As a mental health professional, I believe you are just scratching the surface. It would be helpful to obtain a thorough background history of the pilot's education, employment etc. Zoloft is an antidepressant medication used also for anxiety and OCD. The pilot had the $$$$ means to overspend on instruction and acquire an expensive airplane. I see a likely system failure allowing the pilot to move along the piloting continuum and get signed-off? Was this a common element in the pilots functional abilities? How did the pilot acquire the $$$$ to afford something that led to their demise? A collaboration with Dan Gryder might shed some more light on the story?
@Ro32da729 ай бұрын
Great to see another channel offering professional, respectful analysis of these often tragic incidents. It's you and JB for the best aviation news channels ❤🎉
@motorv8N9 ай бұрын
Great review Hoover - bizarre how many questions remain unanswered. It’s too bad if he was in level flight out of the clouds you’d think he was almost going to make it but he must have been so mixed up he was doomed anyway.
@hefeibao9 ай бұрын
Yeah, that is what is most disconcerting.
@lynnlawrence8344 ай бұрын
Hoover I agree, you broke down all aspects of this tragedy as thoroughly as you could. My condolences to his family. Strange how the NTSB seemed to drop the ball on this investigation.
@Rizzbulla9 ай бұрын
Best aviation channel on KZbin
@sarahalbers55559 ай бұрын
Good point, Mr. Stanton!! Expensive plane, tragic loss of life. This has become a regular occurrence, unfortunately.
@pinkmendoza9 ай бұрын
Love your debrief Hoover. Thank you
@pilot-debrief9 ай бұрын
You are so welcome!
@orngspy9 ай бұрын
Your reviews help me evaluate my own scenarios. Thank you
@SopwithTheCamel9 ай бұрын
Extraordinary. An accident looking for somewhere to happen.
@sarahalbers55559 ай бұрын
With a 2.6 million dollar plane, and taking the kind of pharmaceuticals that could seriously impair your judgement. Just why?
@MrRoadster1004 ай бұрын
You said it all when you said, "Not everybody is cut out to be a pilot." Just like any other field of expertise, that's just a fact of reality.
@bubbafatas25889 ай бұрын
As a CFI I have had to tell one person flying just wasn’t their thing. I had to have a talk with a new hire lear copilot many years ago that I didn’t think flying was their thing and had to let them go. I want to play the guitar but I am tone deaf and have no rhythms! I knew when to quit trying! Quitting something you just don’t have the required aptitude for is no shame! Its a demonstration of your intelligence! Piloting requires a specific set of aptitudes to master and many people don’t have them! Instructors must see this and have a frank discussion with this type of student! Think about all the passengers he or she has the potential to kill beside himself! The NTSB did a miserable job investigating this accident as they do with many light aircraft accidents! The FAA hasn’t had the balls to change the required minimum hours and specific training requirements for the PPL. I only have 600 hrs instructing as most of my time is, 18,000 hours is in jets but it was enough to see that the required minimums are inadequate for today’s environment! For instance I required all students to accomplish the 180dg power off landing a minimum of 3 times successfully before solo! How do you make a successful emergency-landing without these skills. If your instructor hasn’t taken you out and night and made you do steep turns until you experience vertigo you are not prepared to fly at night! If you haven’t experienced density altitude, call a flight school in a mountainous area and request specific training for mountain flying! I use to take my 150 aerobat to Big Bear 8000’ on a cross country from sea level! The expressions-on students faces when they took off at 8000’ was one off bewilderment no matter how much preparation they had! That experience of just barely getting airborne before the end of the 6000’ runway was cemented in their brain forever! I would never fly IFR in a single engine aircraft unless I had a Freeway underneath me and 2000’ ceiling with 5 miles visibility and no possibility of icing. Me and my family and friends lives are worth more than that! Thats a interstate freeway not a road!
@mazeppa479 ай бұрын
Good take on this tragic crash Hoover. Also glad to hear you address the touchy issue that some people are not pilot material. In 2500+ hours of instruction given I had to have the talk with two primary students. One came to me with over 60 hours from 5 different instructors and had not soloed. The 141 school I worked at was part of a dealership and wanted to sell aircraft and wanted earning a pilot's certificate presented like anybody could do it. This gentlemen that bought a very complex and high pilot load aircraft with as little experience as he had was a disaster in the making. I always advised my more affluent students against such purchases early in their aviation endeavors.
@Spartan5369 ай бұрын
I started flying 3 years ago, I soled almost 2 years ago, I have over 135 hours and I am about to take my PPL. My case is a bit different as I had to obtain a SODA for monocular vision and I did this during peak COVID... yeah FUN. Couple that with funding issues and 2 different flight schools and now you begin to see the picture. Just because someone has 100+ hours before they take a PPL exam does not make them a bad pilot, there may be other mitigating circumstances that alter the "normal" path.
@njbpaul9 ай бұрын
I'm glad you said that. Alot of people solo earlier because they're maybe a fast learner . Soloing at 60hrs or 9hrs is not a way to judge whetherr or not someone would be a good pilot. Pilots with thousands of hours just make bad decisions. This looks more like a pilot who got tasks saturated and wasn't proficient flying without auto pilot. Not a case of him taking 60hrs to Solo. Everyone has limits no them before moving to the next
@rogergroover49719 ай бұрын
You’re an amazing analyst! I appreciate your insight.
@markmaki44609 ай бұрын
Someone is running cover for someone else. This is ever more the real main task of government.
@DF-eg8vl9 ай бұрын
The insurance company.
@carlyellison84989 ай бұрын
I Stand with NTSB 🎗️
@markmaki44609 ай бұрын
@@gregorybrennan8539 Maybe she is as sparingly competent in her life as NTSB demonstrates it is, and feels threatened by someone expecting better. Or she is a government employee.
@skullsaintdead9 ай бұрын
Nah, I've seen this before with NTSB reports on small-plane crashes, with only one or two passengers. We're used to the thorough investigation they do with commercial passenger planes and turbo fans, but they often seem to lack the time or resources for small plane crashes, which is a real pity that should be addressed. Not everything is a conspiracy/cover-up, most of the time, it's just incompetence and/or lack of time.
@DF-eg8vl9 ай бұрын
You can not close an investigation based on assumptions. If the pilot was unqualified it should explain why. That is their job. @@carlyellison8498
@galvmonse9 ай бұрын
Wow, i just want to say I appreciate your YT videos. I'm currently a student pilot and obsessed with watching your debriefings. Thank you for your break downs and educating future and current pilots! I take note and learn a ton from these accidents.
@clintstinkeye56079 ай бұрын
A person has got to know their limitations. That is probably the reason I'm alive today. I've had my feelings hurt many times by caring people that were correct. Had to pocket my ego and it hurt. They were correct and I was not. I didn't make the cut. Pure and simple. It can be difficult to get someone to know that they don't know when they think they do.
@sarahalbers55559 ай бұрын
Same with me. I adore flying and really wanted to be a pilot, just recreationally. I quickly realized my skill set was lacking. I loved my job as a flight attendant, and stuck to my hobbies of diving and sailing instead. One thing I knew I had issues with right away was with spatial orientation. The ocean is much more forgiving.
@clintstinkeye56079 ай бұрын
@@sarahalbers5555 - I am competent on just about anything I decide to tackle. Covid blessed me with occasional seizures and brain fog. Yep, I got skills. Nope, I don't dare even get behind the wheel of a car anymore. Do you want me as pilot in command? Sigh...
@PhantomRobazza5 ай бұрын
I like how this channel exposes the shortfalls of the reports.
@TexasGTO9 ай бұрын
You look like Steve-O's brother that made better life choices...
@samweston62727 ай бұрын
Ha ha 😂
@WSKRBSCT6 ай бұрын
What's messed up is that I've thought something similar.
@BLD4266 ай бұрын
No shit..😅
@mr.mcbeavy14436 ай бұрын
OMG, I will never be able to unsee that.
@M14armorer6 ай бұрын
Man come on bro…. 😂
@craigpennington12519 ай бұрын
So many unanswered questions. You're 100% correct on this video.
@1roanstephen9 ай бұрын
I was on a commercial flight today from GRR to ORD. As we were turning to line up on runway 01 (I am assuming 10R as we taxied across 01L going to the terminal. I looked out the window and saw and commercial airplane rough 1000 ft below us and within 2,000 ft on a converging course. I was surprised to say the least and not being on the intercom I don't know what the story was but our aircraft did not react and continued to turn to align with the runway. In such an airport what is the minimum separation on landing flights? As I last saw the other aircraft I am assuming he went under us at about a 30 degree crossing angle.
@pilot-debrief9 ай бұрын
1000 feet is the minimum vertical separation at that altitude. Typically the controller will point out the traffic to the pilots though so that no one is surprised.
@1roanstephen9 ай бұрын
@@pilot-debrief I appreciate your answer. I was more concerned about the closeness and crossing flight paths.
@IgorMatlin6 ай бұрын
ORD frequently uses parallel runways on both north (9L/27R+9C/27C) and south (10C/28C+10R/28L) of the terminal. What you may have seen is another aircraft being vectored to intercept a parallel runway from the opposite direction. Side note: there is no 01L at ORD. You had likely crossed 04L, which is typical for the aircraft landing north of the terminal.
@brianrivera39748 ай бұрын
So glad your back Hoover, I really enjoy your videos. I’m learning so much and I haven’t even started flight training.
@Kaptain.Obvious9 ай бұрын
Not a bit surprised that one of our 3-letter agencies did a shoddy job.
@TheRealChetManley9 ай бұрын
As you started to lay out the facts I immediately started thinking about the TnFlyGirl incident. I think you nailed it on this one.
@Timberns9 ай бұрын
I had close to 60 hours when I soloed but it had nothing to do with skill level… I enjoyed flying with my instructor and I wasn’t in a hurry and he was a WWII era T6 instructor and I was learning A TON. Point being… Don’t go judging skill level by how many hours it takes to solo… Lots of dead pilots soloed quickly
@neilsingh53119 ай бұрын
This stood out to me as well. My experience as someone who knows a ton of student pilots similar to my age demographic-I’m older, have a family, a full time career not in aviation-is that many older students take longer to solo because flight training is inconsistent and constantly disrupted by life scheduling issues. This has nothing to do with skill level or the possibility that a pilot should not have become a pilot. It’s a lot different from training when you’re in your 20s, maybe in the military, and getting training 5 days a week through a rigid program. That’s not the reality of private instruction for PPLs. No idea if this pilot fit that demographic but it’s possible. Still, I was shocked that he only had 7 hours of solo instrument time. And it is definitely weird that 60% of his hours were dual. For someone like that, the Malibu was a terrible plane. I’m a fan of Hoover but I wonder if Hoover also misses this critical factor: the pilot simply bought himself too much airplane for his skill level.
@Timberns9 ай бұрын
@@neilsingh5311Exactly… flying for enjoyment… Not rushing to get rid of the instructor and build hours… Quality not quantity. I have one goal in my flying… Surviving it… Everything after that is gravy.
@jeffp8629 ай бұрын
Was it really instructional time (the 60 percent) or was it having a qualified right seat pilot. Logged as instructional time
@neilsingh53119 ай бұрын
@@jeffp862 Valid point.
@njbpaul9 ай бұрын
That point stood out to me too. Hover is not always right. That point soloing at 60 hours is not a way to judge it. So there are no dead pilots who soloed at 9hrs or 30hrs. . Hover starting to sound cocky to me. Like many pilots who thinks they're better than pilots who takes longer to PPL. Young man made a mistake not knowing his limits flying a plane that he wasn't proficient in.
@ChristianMallinson9 ай бұрын
I think this is not just a great lesson for aviation, but also for learning anything in general. I have seen so many people is various disciplines doubt themselves and their knowledge and/or understanding, and that, more than anything, is what keeps them from becoming proficient in their given area of study. I believe this is where extensive and realistic knowledge of yourself plays an important role in delineating how to progress in learning skill building or in recognizing that you don’t possess a proclivity for whatever it is you’re attempting to learn. Know yourself and what you know, and trust that. Full in the knowledge gaps thereafter. Thanks Hoover for another great accident break-down!
@charleyrichardson82119 ай бұрын
Man thats sad
@TheFreakdude429 ай бұрын
its been up for twenty seconds, you didn't even watch it yet
@tonylopes81759 ай бұрын
Hey i just want to say that your vids are 100% on. I was a 24 year aviation tech for 4 part 121 airlines. I've been 14 years as an FAA AW insp again with aircarear 121. Anyway want to say that i just recently found your youtube channel and love all the vids and detail that you bring out good, bad, or indifferent it has to be said so we can all eather agree or desagree but at the end of the day hope that we can all learn from these unfortunate mistakes. Once again thank you for all the hard work you put in to these videos.
@tangojuli2099 ай бұрын
Very perplexing lapses by NTSB. It isnt like this was a rush job with 2 years to complete investigation. Why were obvious things overlooked?
@pilot-debrief9 ай бұрын
Who knows? I feel like we could have learned a lot more if they had talked to his past instructor(s).
@TheFULLMETALCHEF9 ай бұрын
What a mystery. Is NTSB hiding something?
@msromike1239 ай бұрын
@@TheFULLMETALCHEF That's what the cynic in me wonders. Either that, or they found enough to blame the pilot and did not want to commit further resources. Their findings were pilot lacked the skill to control the aircraft and did not report psychotropic meds, was using prohibited antihistamines, and that there was nothing obviously wrong with the aircraft. How much more money do you need to spend on the accident investigation? I think Hoover nailed it. Not everyone can be a baseball player. Not everyone can fly a 2-million-dollar high performance aircraft IFR.
@TheFULLMETALCHEF9 ай бұрын
@@msromike123 this just bugs me a lot.
@fkcoolers26699 ай бұрын
@@TheFULLMETALCHEF lol
@pollylewis96119 ай бұрын
Thank you Hoover for digging into this tragedy, just so much going on for this to have happened and very unfortunate, again thank you for your insight.
@MrWinger19519 ай бұрын
Really makes one wonder as to the validity of the reports that the NTSB does eventually release on accident conclusions. Thanks to you and Dan Gryder we are able to have objective analysis from real world pilots. More importantly the educational value that you and Dan present is very much appreciated.
@Darkvirgo88xx9 ай бұрын
They have no authority. They can only recommended suggestions to the FAA. So most of the NTSB isnt even aviators. I understand they do other accidents but they dont take it very seriously. They are like a typical agency they only tell you what they want to know. Everything is politics unfortunately.
@jeffp8629 ай бұрын
I know of one accident that a contributing factor was a utility pole having been recently (within months) extended 10 to 15 ft. The accident airplane struck this new pole and broke it off damaging the wing and causing the airplane to roll, , the original pole at the end of the runway remained next to it and was untouched . A newly built factory had required this stronger / longer utility pole which was at the departure end of the runway. It was not mentioned in the NTSB crash report as a factor at all . Had they NOT hit this pole they likely (once airborn) would have gained airspeed and altitude and not crashed. It was IMO a direct factor in the crash.( Airport was 4B8 ) I’ve always thought the NTSB did an amazing job with investigations . These 2 IMO are lacking relevant information.
@johnmehaffey99539 ай бұрын
Brilliant debrief hoover been watching your channel for quite awhile , the more who understand aviation it will help to reduce accidents , I particularly like the way you tell pilots to remember to fly the aircraft and don’t be afraid to ask for help and if in doubt go to your alternative destination, some choose to fly but not all are chosen
@daves45899 ай бұрын
Sounds like another pilot with more money than ability. That’s an eternity of instructional flying. Tough one for an instructor to handle. Your means of living rely on having students to instruct but damn. At some point there has to be a discussion about potential and some just don’t have it. Buying a high performance, complicated aircraft isn’t going to make anyone a competent pilot either. Sounds like another person too reliant on tech versus hand flying the plane.
@selfmaderish46909 ай бұрын
Why can’t small airplanes have a parachute on board?
@daves45899 ай бұрын
@@selfmaderish4690 cirrus aircraft actually do! This is actually a pretty good sized plane. Expensive as hell too. Sweet bird.
@MitchM2409 ай бұрын
I am not a pilot and never will be however these videos fascinate me. Crash investigations are the best mysteries, they fascinate me!
@johnglubney32289 ай бұрын
Is the NTSB full of DEI too?
@ron56pvi136 ай бұрын
I was only 18 and able to solo after 6 hrs in a Cessna 150 at the Mayport Naval Flying Club. My flying was repeatedly interrupted by ship's deployment but it was the greatest experience of my life. After discharge, I never flew as a pilot again. Now 70, I still miss it. Thank you for these videos.