BUTCHERED BMW is Back! (Super Saturday - Day1)

[@williamkelley7654]

"Labor rate $99/hr" ---- "Labor rate if you tried first $200/hr"

[@ppeterson9359]

I was just thinking the same thing. Is there a DIY surcharge?

[@litz13]

I used to fix pinball machines at a coin-op distributor. We had a service dept line item for "Un-Fix Fee", flat rate 1 hour labor.

[@simonilett998]

This is exactly my policy. Double time if you tried to fix it and fk'd it up before calling me, and then it goes to triple time if you lied to me, or didn't tell me the full story. I am a better detective than you think, and I will find evidence of your medling🤣🤣👍

[@JoelAutomotiveInaction]

The first thing before paying the video is press the like 👍 ,because I could for get it later , I know is going to like me the video content, thanks for putting out Greta technical content @pine Hollow auto diagnostic.

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

After a HVAC serviceman fixed our house AC, the heater stopped working. When I checked the system I found the burners would shut off after about 20 seconds. We live 50 miles from town so there is always $150 mileage charge everytime the service technician has to come out, so I figured I try to fix it by replacing the flame sensor; didn't work. The HVAC system is about 30 years old so rather than pouring more money into the system we called a more local company to quote a new system. When I told the tech owner what happened he said he would look at the current system but could not do any repairs because I had touched it. It turns out the previous tech had installed the wrong main control board (the correct board was no longer available because the system was too old) which was not compatible with the old flame sensor. Eventually we did replace the system and in all honesty can understand his policy as he said once an DIY repair is done there is simply no way to determine what mistakes could have been made, and since he guarantees all his work, he has to walk away from any jobs with a DIY repairs history.

[@stealthg35infiniti94]

Sometimes the worst enemy to a car is the car's owner.

[@111-c7x2t]

@@John-wz3iu his car, his choice

[@throttlebottle5906]

@@111-c7x2t his choice to walk......

[@shoosh9996]

You need to fire that customer.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

xD

[@Cheepchipsable]

As long as he pays!

[@dangleebols]

You have the patience of a saint dealing with things like this !

[@boblynch7348]

My complements Ivan. I would have told the car owner that I don't fix totally screwed up repairs by owner. Your patience is amazing.

[@billziegmond4943]

Who ever worked on the fuel pump might be related to a friend of mine. I feel your pain my friend. This guy has all the snap-on tools but zero ability. I told him he should lock the snap-on box up and throw the keys away. He asked why. I told him he has no business touching them. Stay Well my friend.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I agree... Some people are just naturally handicapped in the common sense and hands-on department. Nothing wrong with that, but they should stay away from the tool box for sure 😂

[@samcripes3046]

Told one mechanic to give me all his tools! Worked for the city on police cars and such. No longer works there.

[@scottminer7702]

Hard to overestimate the value of AllData. When I did the AC in my Jeep XJ, I paid the $20 and got the month of AllData for that vehicle. The wiring problem turned out to be a faulty component that just had to be bypassed since it was unavailable but figuring that out was a lot easier with the right wiring diagrams and descriptions of how things worked. Good luck with the BMW.

[@sparkyobrian6417]

the problem I had with alldata for my truck was it was missing wiring diagram data for the power center, two of the connectors and associated wiring was missing completely, I went with Identafix and have no problems .

[@simonilett998]

Understand how something works, and you can fix just about anything. With no information, you have a better chance of winning the lottery. Knowledge is power👍

[@donbebber2749]

After seeing the hack job done on the fuel pump, wouldn't be surprised that FLAG-SHIP 1 sent back a working ECM to customer of the BMW. FLAG-SHIP 1 just took the high road as they were dealing with PHAD

[@MH-wg6bz]

Sending electronics back for repair is always questionable. Especially for intermittent issues. On communications electronics we started marking the boards in a way to see if we got the same unit back and if anything was changed. I think it's just a process of connecting the unit to a test rig and running series of tests. Lot's of intermittent issues can make it by the test, especially if the unit is tested cold.

[@samcripes3046]

Or unbolted.

[@crabmansteve6844]

I'm a telecomm guy myself and we do the same thing! Crazy how many times I've been sent back the same unit. Caused quite a stink once I had proof.

[@duanenelson3202]

Well at least the gas tank was in the right place.. gives you a staring point anway.

[@JamesAgans]

Was "staring point" an on purpose mistake? Well Done!

[@jamesu]

looks like a great modern version of the game Operation! Thanks for the video Ivan

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Gasoline Fumes Included!

[@Hybriddiag]

No doubt ivan you will make it run ..thats what you always do no matter what..good luck

[@rickrogers2649]

BMW owner... "now it's time for another round of Stump Ivan". Ivan.... "NOT happening".

[@amundsen575]

there you go , cust. knows a relative or a guy that knows it all and is cheap, they know better than the engineers at the OEM.saved him a lot!

[@larrybe2900]

This would be a good segment for "Just Rolled In".

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

@@larrybe2900 YES haha

[@rbilardo47]

This video was hilarious with the fuel pump. Did you find out who installed it?

[@roxanneabbott8424]

Wow and I thought flagship was better than that! Good job for figuring the pump mess! Have a great triip!!!

[@cheeseo9798]

I think that tank has a transfer pump under the drivers seat and that’s where some of those hoses come from. The transfer pump is horrendous to change as you have to fish the hoses back across the tank thru a small space

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Had to do that on a Volvo once... Royal pain in the ass 😂

[@watfordbadshahscricketclub9730]

$600 if I recall correctly the inline 6 cylinder engines. N52 N53 N54, the ENGINE ECU, suffered from injector drivers failing. You pop out the ECU, get a hot air gun. Replace all of the Injector MOSFETs, which cost around £1.50 each. The issue is well known all over the Internet. The longest part was to wait for the mosfets to be delivered. Causes are the Coil packs go, injectors are an issue, I think there has been 12 or more revisions of the injectors. And they are a sealed unit. But main issue is injector failures cause the mosfets to burn out. The car i done the fix on. Had 4 drivers that were shorted. Customer brought new injectors, and the car still did not start. After the mosfet were replaced, started immediately.. on 2nd start

[@craiggoodwin9704]

I would have done that fuel pump the exact same way as that DIYer with the assumption the car was headed for the CRUSHER! Now......Ivan is going to fix it. We can see Flagship One is running from this one. I don't know. Looking forward to Part 2. Thanks for Sharing!

[@JamesAgans]

I graduated from HS in 1964. Two of my friends and I decided to join the USAF. Two of us were pretty good mechanics for our age. The one friend was sent to Germany, I ended up in SEA. The friend that went to Germany got his hands on an old WW2 vintage BMW motorcycle. He told me that that bike could be completely disassembled and reassembled with a 10mm wrench. I guess all of those German engineers and their spawn are long gone.😢😢😢

[@TheFrenchPug]

Ok. I have a 3 series BMW and have done my fuel pump twice due to needing a new regulator installed. It's pretty straightforward and looks nothing like that mess lol! You're right. Somebody really screwed that up.

[@arnemalmkvist8553]

Owner is out of order 😮. I think i am mecanic I have my thumb midel in my hand

[@fletch3576]

Nothing worse than trying to put other people's mistakes right....our job is hard enough thank you 😉😀

[@brettwalkom948]

Yeah I'm no brain surgeon so I don't do brain surgery you know what I mean

[@RideCamVids]

Putting it all back together how its supposed to be, before a diagnosis can begin,,,,, also know as the inconveneince labor fee.

[@kellyd887]

Hey Ivan. I don't know why you keep messing with Flagship 1. You could always give " Cardone " a try. I don't know if they have as extensive an inventory, but I haven't had any failures with any of their products thus far over the years. PS. PHAD is my favorite channel, keep 'em coming my friend.

[@lvsqcsl]

This brings back memories of last week when I replaced the fuel pump in the Marquis. I was experiencing extended crank times and checked fuel pressure; a bit weak. I replaced it with a new OEM pump. 8 bolts hold it is and one electrical plug and a spring-loaded clamp and she's out. Eight bolts back in and electrical plug and fuel line. It sure didn't look anything like that. Those gas fumes were bad; I had to remove the gas cap. Great video!

[@DaddyBeanDaddyBean]

I'm the kind of DIY'er the pros don't mind coming in after - I know what I know (and do it right), and I'm careful about what I don't know (and can always put it back the way I found it). I swear I did not install the pump in that BMW!

[@skysurferuk]

So you have a 6 year old master mechanic in America, too? I couldn't do what you do, I'd throw the towel in after 5 minutes. Well done! 👍

[@trekfortruth2841]

Every time I watch one of your videos I wish I lived closer to you! Ever think about moving to Arizona??? ;-)

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

During the cold wet months that does sound like a good idea haha

[@tecnaman9097]

Broke My Wallet and Destroy It Yourself in perfect harmony. Customer needs a serious talking to lol!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Customer was adamant that fuel pump was installed correctly 🤦‍♂️

[@jerryking2418]

More great detective work. The little fuel pump that wouldn’t. Great job. It will be interesting to see what Flagship 1 does.

[@n9wox]

Gave owner a $600 refund.

[@trezsr]

Isn't possible that he zapped the driver in the ECU again after failing to reinstall the ignition grounds before trying to start the car?

[@averyalexander2303]

I would think so since it seems like that's what caused the failure in the first place. How did those grounds even get loosened again? Ivan reconnected them in the last video before he condemned the ECU.

[@trezsr]

@@averyalexander2303 I did a valve cover replacement on my N54 BMW engine and you need to remove those to get the harness out of the way. Yeah, not sure why those were loose/disconnected again.

[@noelcastle3986]

I would walk away from that mess ...I admire your patience.

[@melvinjones3895]

Lots of hose in the tank. It was almost almost "up your nose with a rubber hose" and that's not joke

[@mechtechtools838]

RUN IVAN RUN!!!

[@marcelotosin931]

You should open a DIY video call help desk. I have a feeling there is more money to dig there than for regular fixing. Nice video!

[@robpeabo509]

Ivan, I feel you did well to not ask the customer to take it away and never bring it back. Why would they do work that requires rework to fix their damage. I am all for a "customer meddling where they shouldn't" surcharge on top of your usual hourly rate for fixing their mess. The computer diag is fair enough though, that isn't your clients fault, unless their meddling stuffed that up!

[@precisionautodiagnosticsre8109]

Testing, Wiring Diagrams, Knowing circuit design and the proper testing you can fix just about anything. I had that issue with an 09 town and country. DIY gone wrong. the line was kinked as well as the retainer clips were broken. So it would not hold for very long. He changed the fuel pump and it was a chaffed through power wire shorting to ground and kept blowing the fuse. I never did get paid for that job lmfao... Whatever, he will never get help from me again, so that's his loss....

[@kastooMcFry]

I'm surprised that wreck ran at one point at all, with that fuel pump's hosed installation..

[@baxrok2.]

That's not DIY, that's IDGAF. Thanks Ivan!

[@htownblue11]

Good on Flagship to do the refund, but man that company is a gamble if you use them. I get that refurbing ecm’s isn’t easy, but don’t take money for work not done. And holy fire hazard Batman! That pump “install” was done by someone who knew nothing.

[@jimkillen1065]

Thanks for the videos . If someone needs to hire a professional to do there work they certainly need to be sure they do quality work ...

[@phprofYT]

Not sure what FlagShip One has to work with. If they don't have the tech specs and the circuit topology, it would be bucko hard to fix anything on an ECM.

[@averyalexander2303]

And a way to actually test it. I don't even know how they could even attempt to bench test something like ignition coil or fuel injector drivers. Even if they wired the powers and grounds and simulated a cam and crank signal, it won't even try to fire the coils or injectors unless it has the proper immobilizer signal. How could they simulate the proper immobilizer signal without knowing what it's looking for?

[@ivanolsen7966]

pray tell why the grounds were still not connected .....

[@ThisIS_Insane]

So far, so good! That's the bare minimum I'll accept in these cases, client gets full refund. Well done, Sir!! 👍👍👍

[@mrtoastyjr]

If the blame was put on the grounds for smoking the computer the first go around, couldn’t they have potentially smoked the “referb” computer when it was reinstalled since the customer never bothered to put them back on?

[@jessehirschmann756]

Hello ... I have the same problem with the same car 2009 328i no start ... just need to figure out spark ... do you have a day 2 or part 2 to fix spark ...

[@BesprovolkiSvias]

1. some sensor could be disconnected such as Camshaft Position Sensor, which might be used by DME (computer) to produce spark impulses. Just like bunch of other harnesses and wires were disconnected. Computer may not know when to generate impulses. But on second thought, I presume that DME (computer) would set Error Codes if Camshaft Position Sensors (any of the two) were disconnected. 2. AllData mentions incorrect design (shape) of camshaft sensor and shows new (correct) design available for installation. 3. But something more abstract does not make sense: if "dealer butchered BMW", how did it MOVE on its own to customer's home? It moved on its own after "butchering"? Then what customer did to it?

[@mrkttrdr2919]

excellent work again, hope u butchered his wallet, he should have told u about the fuel pump install problems, u saved him from flagship one, u are a patient class act, thanks for posting

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

We know if you attempt to start the car without the grounds connected it will fry the engine computer and you said the customer had already installed the reman computer and it was still a no spark, so why did you need to reconnect the ground before you did your diagnostic? Did the customer possibly try and start the car again without the grounds connected

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I assume so...it's a BIG FAT MESS lol

[@TheOnespeedbiker]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics OMG!

[@MarkBarrey]

Maybe I missed something, but didn’t you just show us the ground wires were disconnected again on the engine after installing the reman computer? Wouldn’t this fry the new computer also?

[@TexasBear]

My thoughts exactly!

[@dcomputers]

Seems like a universal part for any car model that require rigging to make it work

[@themechanic6117]

These type of hack jobs bother me so much. I bet it was frustrating

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yeah I cringe when I see cars get hacked up for no reason... Yes even the EUROS lol

[@somerandomguy3868]

I've seen this phenomenon before, not a BMW but same result, this is what happens when the person doing the job has a few too many drinks

[@raula.flores1185]

Be careful, for someone to do that to the fuel pump and not tell you, is very dishonest.

[@Willowstark-9]

Was this issue resolved? Did you come down to a conclusion? I have the same issue with my 2010 e90 with a n51, besides the fact that I’m getting spark randomly out of cylinder 3 but that’s it.

[@timlochner9147]

Definately some butchery with that fuel pump

[@dcomputers]

It's crazy . I once saw a rover with universal parts that doesn't belong to the car. It had universal rad wit fan and hoses that looked so rigged

[@InsideOfMyOwnMind]

Ivan, have you ever had a customer who's shear adamant stupidity worked so hard against you that you just had to say no I'm not working on your vehicle any more?

[@dustcommander100]

So this car hasn't run in about 6 months??? Wow! Luxury certainly has its price!

[@aleskyfinis1025]

That’s the most same here I agree with you man. Wow.

[@estan1965]

I would have told the guy to take a hike. See ya.

[@arnemalmkvist8553]

Ivan You have a the patience of an Englishman , thats is super great. I dont have it . I hope you take lots of many from owner, Phu

[@satamanschmidt3428]

Ivan, the first and most important rule in business is to PICK YOUR CUSTOMERS. Firing customers is a vital part of being in business. This guy simply doesn't deserve your help.

[@mikecalvin1402]

Very good work 👏 🙌

[@johnz8210]

When this BMW is done, tell the owner to buy something else and F it all up so we have more videos to watch.

[@mikechiodetti4482]

Good luck with this one Ivan.

[@Sandmansa]

Oh, that's cool. I've never been to a super saturday event. It's not far from where I am in north philly either. Too bad I'm just finding out about it afterwards. Oh well. Now back to this BMW. I am starting to get the impression that something strange is going on here. Either the owner of the car has absolutely no idea what he is doing and is single handedly ruining his car step by step. Or. He is setting you up to put you to the test. Grant it, I don't know any history of this car with its current owner. Has he ever driven it?

[@neilcook4710]

Undoing what other people do is a solid 40% of what I do at the shop. Google is a blessing and a curse depending on your ability and comprehension, not to mention the amount of flat out wrong information. And that's how you get the eternal struggle between DIY guy and career wrenchers

[@ccmoos]

Unscrewing the screwups 😎💸

[@Peter-pv8xx]

I may not be a smart man but I know that things need to be connected properly for them to work, that's why the first thing a repairman will ask the customer is, is it plugged in and is the circuit breaker tripped and if they respond by saying what's a circuit breaker then you know you've got a winner reset the breaker and charge the customer accordingly for their stupidity, basic common is severly these days.

[@crisprtalk6963]

That fuel pump mess aint my type of DIY! 🤣🤣

[@ivorgotten2368]

A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing. it seems like this cars owner needs to stop his DIY tinkering, as he obviously is a danger to himself.

[@jduda1127]

The owners got deep pocket, and just wants to give Ivan some bonus money

[@dcomputers]

They charged 600 for refurbish of the computer ? Or pump install

[@stigonutube]

i'm all for a bit of DIY repairs but that "owners" pump assembly effort was a joke. Glad you got that bit sorted and flagship came to the party of refund for owners sake. part 2 please Ivan.

[@Pidroe]

Did you release the grounds for the video or was the car cranked with those off again with the "fixed" computer?

[@grumpee594]

I don't understand. In the first video it looked like you fixed the grounds to confirm that the DME was fried. Why were the grounds still disconnected?

[@tam1381]

First thing that I wondering also.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

So he could take it to the dealer and show them...that obviously didn't work out LOL

[@dcomputers]

Strange design to fry the box with unplug ground.

[@grumpee594]

Ouch, that sucks

[@frankt2429]

Take a picture!!

[@mikeluscher159]

Note to self Never use ✍️ Flagship One 😮 Who do you recommend for ECU/module work?

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

How's that even possible? The same problem? Did they send the faulty ECM back? At least, Flagship One refunded the botched repair. Unbelievable and indescribable "job" on the fuel pump - never seen anything like that! Could start a fire! Waiting for Part 2 and a working ECM🙂 Enjoy MAACA Super Saturday!

[@Not_Sure-i6o]

Previous video there was mention of the dealer being on the hook to replace ecm. I guess that never happened and the guy went refurb route for some reason? FS1 just refunded seemingly without offer to get it back for diag is not a good look, no matter how bad a customer this guy was. Just bizarre on all fronts

[@tonyb1968]

Is the owner that kid who tried to mash the square peg into the round hole?

[@turboimport95]

this is why I don't do much repair work for people anymore. They mess stuff up and want you to fix and ask for discount when they made it even worse then before. Car repair has been starting to be not worth it. I have noticed that people also Do not want to pay a Honest guy anything, but will pay a rip off shop thousands.. and then ask the honest guy to fix what the shop messed up for free.. I tell people that know me 99% of time I do not work on cars anymore. of course they complain and ask why...because you offer me 20$ but payed the shop 500$..

[@Markb8608]

As usual, your drove way out of your way to go to Philly. I thought you checked that fuel pump operation previously too.Why didnt they just fix the computer, I mean they had his money already. There is a guy on you tube "Maic Salazar Diagnostics" who repairs ECMs.

[@carsten4594]

Thanks for making my day!

[@Beyond-Repair]

Did you ever sort this E90 out?

[@2nickles647]

Darn them hillbilly Techs..😄😄 That's a DYI fuel pump install and screw up. And I bet he fried his own ECCM too. Blaming someone elss

[@Paul1958R]

Ivan, This is very confusing. In the video from last spring (which I just re-watched) you re-connected the grounds that the dealer failed to re-connect after the VC job. Your diag was that the no ground issue damaged the PCM. So the owner has the PCM repaired (at FS1), re-installs it, but then disconnects the grounds again??? Is this what Im seeing? Am I mising something? Paul (in MA)

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I left the car "as I found it" just in case the dealer was going to inspect it for warranty purposes 👍

[@Paul1958R]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Gotcha 👍

[@randy1ization]

these diyers are flat out dangerous..

[@wernerdanler2742]

What's so hard about reconnecting things the way you disconnected them? I guess if you had your eyes closed when you disconnected them, you wouldn't know. Lol

[@rrmech11]

Ivan, Have you heard anything about Joe from Joe's Auto Electric. Hope he's well. I remember Keith use to stay in touch with him.

[@hendersonjp]

Well done again Ivan , block his number .

[@jtaylor2563]

Did you ever get the problem figured out on the butchered BMW from not starting?

[@RJ-vb7gh]

I hate to say this, but I knew someone who worked in electronics refurb years ago. He claimed that 90% of the things that were sent in weren't actually defective... Most of the time he could just re-box the equipment and just send it back or resell it. In fact if he did nothing he sent out 90% good units. The other 10% were either too difficult or too expensive to fix anyway. Many DIY guys and even many field techs are shot gunning the computer replacement. They are pulling good computers. So why even test them? Just send them back "fixed" and then the tech can keep shot gunning the car until he finds what's really wrong. It works for 90% of the jobs... for the other 10% you give refunds. I know it's cynical of me to say this, but I also do computer repair on PC's. and it's been a very long time since I've done a component level repair on a board. It's literally not worth the time and effort to find and replace a bad IC or flash an new EPROM and that's usually going to cost my customer way more than the machine is worth, assuming I can even find a schematic and the software. If I can't find a replacement board, it's time for an upgrade... So unless the fault in the computer is really obvious, the schematic and parts are available and the rebuilder really knows what he's doing and has a lot of time... I suspect that more than a few computers that get sent in for rebuild never even get opened before they are returned... And 90% of the time they will still work fine. For the other 10% the customer gets a refund and no one gets hurt. When it comes to car computers... I've only had to replace one and I got a junk yard one for $80.00 which worked a treat. It never crossed my mind to get a refurb or rebuild the original. Most car computers really don't go bad (with certain exceptions).

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

I've diagnosed a total of FIVE bad engine computers over the last 2 weeks... All of the cars 2006 to 2012 range. 4 Euro and 1 Nissan lol

[@thogevoll]

So, why were the grounds disconnected and disconnected again?

[@kennethbode2017]

hey Slim you ever change a fuel pump? Nah but I can do it.......not

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

🤣

[@repairitdontreplaceit]

split hose in the tank from the pump ?

[@flycatchful]

After watching your videos' it appears to me that far to many cars are designed to fail. I believe it is called "design obsolescent". I own a 2002 SLK 320 Mercedes with 141K on the odometer. Regular maintenance is all I do and the only failure so far is the electronic clock.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

This case all the failures were caused by incompetence 100% :)

[@richardcranium5839]

electronic clock. you mean detonator. thats why its still running lol

[@flycatchful]

@@richardcranium5839 Prior to the Mercedes I owned a 1979 Datsun 280ZX with over 250K miles on the odometer. This car was also well maintained just like my Mercedes.

[@zx8401ztv]

It sounds Like Flagship are still screwing up, hit and mis :-( Shame the owner didn't check the engine end of the tube first.

[@wotnoturbo]

Wouldn't connecting & cranking the new ecu with the grounds still disconnected brick the repaired ecu ?

[@JohnSmith-wb6kq]

That fuel pump WTF???? Customer States - Car won't start hahahah unreal man, sort it out Ivan and charge accordingly bruv 🙂 (might have paid to lift that pump up and checked o-ring or gasket etc was fitted if it's supposed to have one)

[@petepeabody8905]

using your brain and running into others mistakes is so fun WOW

[@adotintheshark4848]

I hope the owner didn't install the "new" ECM while those grounds were still disconnected!