THANKSGIVING SPECIAL! "Possessed Lexus" -Part 1 (SI Express 15.8)

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

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[@mikemiddal6245]

Thank you. I've been researching scanners with bi-directional control and watched your outstang video on the Diagon IV many times.

[@86753091974]

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[@chekelley6861]

If you have a restriction up stream from the injectors, the individual injectors can pass a static flow test and they will only starve for fuel when the engine is running. Pressure can be good but volume inadequate. Don’t ask how I know 😂

[@NCPDFSB]

my thought also..... needs a volume test on that bank to conclude theory.

[@tomvleeuwen]

Would that not at least cause a small difference on the drop test? I don't think the drop test flow is significantly lower than idle, and most of the fuel pressure during the drop test is coming from the shared fuel lines. So the fuel pressure in the rail itself, after the restriction, should drop significantly during the test if there was a restriction which should result in lower drop overall.

[@jkbrown5496]

I can see that. A restriction that is slowing, not stopping, the refill downstream so that the rail goes lean as the fire rate increases volume needs.

[@jackpatteeuw9244]

Got to be fuel pressure/flow related !

[@fascistpedant758]

The test port would be on the restricted side. Flow is quite high during the test. I would expect to see a difference.

[@CumminsDriver100]

I really don't know. Seen vehicles do some weird shit. Had a 92 Grand Am with a burned out bulb in the cluster. Ran the radiator fan constantly, even after the key was off. Changed the bulb, all worked right again. And that was a 1992!! Can only imagine today's stuff...

[@psdaengr911]

My WAG: If the pressure drop on a static test is ok but it acts like it's starved under load, then there's a restriction, possibly intermitent , not a solid blockage. Stuff could be moving under full flow conditions and compacting, or the line is pinched

[@shawnlockard2370]

I can see were an exhaust gas analysis come in handy

[@jimwhite5964]

These challenging diagnoses are the most interesting to watch..... can’t wait to see part 2! Great job guys and thanks.

[@turtlezed]

Wouldn't a vacuum leak show up running on either set of injectors though? Reporting lean and compensating by adding fuel only in open loop... I don't know this engine well enough. What's adding extra air maybe?

[@nicknicu1787]

It’s a V6 engine Ivan. The 3.5 L is a Toyota V6.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Oops mis spoke! I was thinking of the old LS400 V8 haha

[@neilmurphy845]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics ya the old reliable

[@neilmurphy845]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics what year is that car in the video it looks like a 2014

[@bigkoolaidman123]

@@neilmurphy845 2016....at least that's what the Verus screen showed.

[@kevinbarry71]

Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostic, ISF does have the V8, bit of a sleeper that one

[@caduceus33]

Some wire on the left bank port injection system is intermittently shorting out. No parts required other than piece of wire, soldering iron and heat shrink. Maybe near the shift mechanism.

[@benwingo6675]

Vacuum leak on that bank possible vacuum booster for brakes depends on where the vacuum is being pulled from.

[@themechanic6117]

26:10 its like all the doctors surround the patient , getting ready for a long surgery .lol

[@bostedtap8399]

A league of Nations, British, Russian, and US, against the land of the rising sun Nippon. Definitely above my neck top computer. Thanks for sharing Ivan, have a great Thanksgiving.

[@marscruz]

(edited after rewatching) hint: *I can see two different runners for each intake tract* The injectors are firing but not enough fuel is getting to the Bank 2 (even numbered) cylinders. Are all the injectors plugged up on Bank 2? (nope, not entirely) When Ivan cut the ECU trigger to the even numbered injectors there was no difference in the engine speed or roughness. When he cut the odd numbered (Bank 1) injector triggers then the engine stumbled on the loss of fuel. All the injectors are seeing the expected current profiles, including the extra "on time" for the fuel trims (lean running) on Bank 2. It's got to be something preventing the proper amount of fuel from actually squirting out of the Bank 2 injectors even though they are being properly triggered. The fuel pressure test equipment did not reveal a lack of pressure to either bank. All injectors fired off roughly the same amount of trapped rail pressure with the external injector triggering gadget. This may not reveal a partially plugged Bank 2 fuel rail that passes fuel but not enough to prevent starvation. The idea of the VVT or cam phasers having something to do with it is a bit over my head. *I can see two different runners for each intake tract* -- a short and a long. Is the port injector upstream of the plenum butterfly? Is the plenum butterfly stuck in the wrong position on one side? I have a second gen Acura TL that the stealership sabotaged by pulling out the wire that goes to the plenum butterfly solenoid. Obviously ripped out by hand on purpose. It only threw the money light on when I floored it to pass a truck two weeks after the dealer service. It took me a while to figure out what was going on. They didn't get a dime. I never went back to them again. (original post) Maybe I wasn't paying attention but why isn't it the O2 sensor? You have injectors firing and fuel pressure. Maybe it's restricted fuel flow like someone already said. It's like having voltage but not enough amperage (current). Keith already knows and he's making you learn the hard way so that you remember this lesson. Great Teacher NLA.

[@bobsacamano251]

0:23 Steve has good story about meeting Mike Tyson at a bar 😂

[@IAMNOSLEEP]

Excellent diag progression. It's like watching a thriller. Great job guys... Cheers.

[@kellyspeppers]

Loving this type of video, needs a lot of critical thinking. Looking forward to Part 2.

[@jimhaines8370]

I love my SUR&R fuel pressure kit and you can buy all the parts individually wait out a vastly

[@toyotatechstudent3335]

Been waiting for this one ☝️... You’ve kept me waiting long enough ! Thanks Ivan ..... aah this is gonna be good ! 😊

[@mikemiddal6245]

Not a mechanic and no experience other than changing alternator, plugs and battery. Watching channels that stress understanding system operation and complete problem diagnosis. Not sure how to do it but new direction could be towards the computer. The difference in the pulse width is baffling. Like your explanations on what you're thinking about the problem.

[@VoltageDropDiagnostics]

@@mikemiddal6245 the difference in the pulse width is because the computer senses that the one bank is running lean, so it is trying to correct it by leaving the fuel injectors on that bank open longer.

[@86753091974]

I'm thinking maybe intake flaps or runners restricting fuel some how as direct injection would not be affected by that problem or some how carbon on valve is not allowing fuel to properly get or atomize from port injectors.

[@JackS425]

"got a caabin build up" nice diag, great to learn about these dual injection systems.

[@wyattoneable]

Wow, that's a good one. I will be interested to see what the heck is going on with this one.

[@ianlevine273]

3 min in and I’m getting comfy, this looks like a good one.

[@NCPDFSB]

af sensor pegged on start up has me concerned. i didnt see cts for bank 2? this engine has variable manifold...?

[@Airman..]

2005 model years and up v6 GR, v8 UZ series engins, Toyota redesigned port injector jets size to a smaller gauge for better fuel/air atomization, emission reduction, power gain,and better gas mileage what resulted in premature injector blockage/inadequate atomization specially in dusty regions. Not all owners report a problem only the ultrasensitive ones will feel a sligh engine vibration at idle and a slight shiver hardly noticeable at cruising speed with a T/C lock. The key for diagnose this particular problem is High LTFT and normal STFT numbers at idle with no load

[@erniehenshaw4161]

Great technique and follow thru.Love Your Channel.

[@andrewthompsonuk1]

Valve timing issue. The direct injection occurs after all 4 valves are shut and the port injection is earlier so fuel is possibly being sent into the engine and out the exhaust while the exhaust valves are still open.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Interesting thought! You will notice on the freeze frame all the cams were happy, and the PCM would certainly set a codes if the VVT system was acting up? So many variables!

[@codysautodiagnosticsprogra8706]

You got me on cliff waiting for the outcome lol. Good work ivan and the rest of the guys!

[@matepro2643]

Wonderful diagnostic. We are exciting to see the issues.

[@Alex-jm6fk]

I missed the part where you verified AFR sensor plausibility.

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

It would almost have to be getting air downstream from the the port injector. It must be an intake manifold leak or something connected to it.

[@stevevigar9704]

maybe injectors firing at the wrong time from mixed up control wires or bad computer so no combustion taking place and air going straight out of exhaust valve and pegging AF sensor lean causing computer to try to add fuel hence the increased injector pulse width on bank 2 injectors and also accounting for the misfire on all 3..

[@Garth2011]

The amount of investigative guess work on newer vehicles is totally reckless as an automobile manufacturer. You would think there would be minimum design/engineering requirements set for mechanics to be able to diagnose faults much easier. This is why the public can't find good solid repair shops, most of them can't do this and opt for the parts exchange process.

[@jdtractorman7445]

The flat rate pay system does not help any either. I see what you are saying though.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

They do this on purpose. I believe they're laying the foundation for either literal "throw-away" automobiles, or, ones that you never even own ... or drive - they'll drive themselves, and be owned by the manufacturer. No repairs allowed! Imagine that world ... 🤢

[@Garth2011]

@@SmittySmithsonite These current vehicles are sold as private property. Once you own it, you are at the mercy of the manufacturer for support. The day folks will pay $50,000 for private property and then it is treated as if it is not your property by the manufacturers and/or Insurance companies and the Government, is the day that private transportation will cease.

[@simonilett998]

Cheers Ivan, been looking out for this case study since Steve and the boys from the UK visited for S.S recently....looked like it was a crazy few days😜 Great to see so many great minds ticking over in one vid, all scratching their heads together🤯....Keith on the other hand...hmmm🤔...he's doing a great job of encouraging the thought process, just keeping it within, and not letting his prior knowledge ruin 'your' crazy case study...lol Keen to see pt2👍 Happy Thanksgiving....from over here............................🇦🇺🥵

[@CubasAutomotive]

Absolutely! Steve's teaser had me hooked from over a month ago! 😉😉

[@throttlebottle5906]

the thought process.. quick, use it as a trade-in :))

[@IBenZik]

Great video and Happy Thanksgiving and Nazdarovya.

[@gregcromer8406]

Happy Thanksgiving Ivan, and God's blessings to you, and your family!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Thanks Greg! Same to you!

[@deuceelec]

Are both sets of injectors issuing fuel during the "Port" cycle?

[@fascistpedant758]

Good question! They could be barking up the wrong tree.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

No, just port injectors :)

[@johnthompson941]

Some sort of intermittent vacuum leak? I have yet had the pleasure of working on one of these systems yet.

[@SmittySmithsonite]

2 different fuel systems working together! As if these things weren't complicated enough. Yikes, I'll have my work cut out for me in a few years. I figure the port system is used to keep the 10k mile intake valve coking & the decarbonizing intervals, like GM trucks have, down to a minimum. Interesting design. I don't have the slightest clue what is causing this one. There can't be bad fuel on one injector and not the other, I'd imagine. Intake leaks? But that would get better with heat. Strange one you've got here! Staten Island for ya! Hope you and the family are having a Happy Thanksgiving. 🍻🦃 God bless.

[@robramsay3878]

Could it be an intake tuning actuator problem affecting bank 2 or something with the VVT iw. If cam phaser doesnt lock in base setting at start up intake valves would be closing later causing low compression effecting o2 reading lean. Just guessing, looking forward to part 2 as always.

[@fascistpedant758]

If it's not breathing well, wouldn't it be rich on that bank?

[@somerandomguy3868]

Wow, are all, most or any other GDI car's set up this way with multi port, I won't venture a guess with this, unless the GDI doesn't look at the downstream O2 sensor that is reporting lean

[@Blazer02LS]

The manufacturers have been playing around. They used port injection, then decided that direct injection was the better system, but that also gives up some torque and creates issues with valve deposits. So they now have decided that both is the way to go. This is still going to get worse though. There are engines on the drawing boards that use both fuel systems, plus VVT on top of variable displacement and compression with turbocharging !!!

[@xanderlander8989]

Everytime is see that scan tool interfere i think of Windows Vista. Has the same Black Glass theme and green loading bars!

[@baxrok2.]

I got confused when you started going after the AF sensor to see if you could trust it, saw it pegged immediately, and then gave up on it. Thanks Ivan and SIE!

[@CubasAutomotive]

He could now trust it, because it wasn't pegged at Key On... only Engine On.. which means it's not shorted, it's what it's actually reading. If that makes sense? If it couldn't be trusted, more than likely you'd see it pegged with just Key On, and Engine Off.

[@baxrok2.]

@@CubasAutomotive Yes, thanks, that does make sense.

[@josephwash109]

I'm wondering if some service was done on the engine where the fuel rail was removed and those three injectors had the spray tips damaged. Then the injectors wouldn't spray at the intake valves, so the bank would run lean because the fuel is not being diverted into the cylinders.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

This is Staten Island, so anything is possible!

[@douglasjones3799]

By the end, I was thinking computer. Maybe it needs to be factory reset if that is possible or replaced.

[@daleturnley5882]

Have a great Thanksgiving with your family Ivan! Love the videos.

[@ericcorse]

Awesome video Staten Island rarely disappoints

[@tam1381]

What ever Keith says i 100% agree with him.

[@basimtaliani4966]

Question. What other systems change when the vehicle switches from port to direct? Perhaps the error was in assuming its related to the injectors. I'm just thinking maybe there is another system that also changes at this point that is malfunctioning rather than the injectors. Just a late night thought!

[@sirsweetness8332]

That smile was hilarious at the beginning. I think he needs a diagnosis

[@weshawkins7165]

Happy Thanksgiving. Here Northern California We just got about 8 inches of snow. Of course the power went out most likely a downed tree limb somewhere and I have a shop full of cars to fix. Soooo, I’ll just watch your channel and pretend I’m getting things fixed.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Great strategy, Wes! Hey it's thanksgiving so nothing wrong with relaxing for a bit :)

[@Michael-fw5ef]

Snow in California in November? I guess that's why the Communists in California changed their Global Warming scheme namesake to Climate Change. If the temperature goes up, its because of evil humans. But if the temperature goes down, its because of evil humans. And no matter what, Gavin Newsome and Nancy Pelosi will tax California residents to death and blame them for it all. It amazes me that people vote for Dems in America.

[@weshawkins7165]

Michael, I hear ya. I’d move out of this state but the wife won’t move away from the grandkids. We’re up in the Sierra Nevada mountains about 3000 ft so snow is a normal thing. I have my shop and customers and all I have is paid off, house and all so the Dems in Sacramento don’t effect me as much. I’m able to hide a lot of my income. Haven’t voted Democrats in over 40 years. I remember back in the 70’s all the climate nuts were predicting a cooling trend by the end of the century.

[@marscruz]

@@weshawkins7165 Stay away from the BA and LA. I lived on the fringes of it since the 60's. It started going down hill fast in the 80's. I had a "good job" in Silly Cone Valley for years and escaped to more sane places up north a few years back... never to return. Leave the crazies to their foolishness.

[@weshawkins7165]

Ya, I avoid the BA at all costs and grew up in Southern Cal and have no desire to ever return. Can’t stand going to either area. I’m up in mountains about halfway between Sacramento and Reno.

[@tomsmith29]

seafoam the intake ! carbon buildup very common on DI

[@billyyoder8171]

Thank you Ivan. Can we get the brand and part number info for Keith's master fuel line adapter kits? Good job. Have a blessed and safe week.

[@ahill007ny]

I was waiting for this video I remember Steve's Preview 👌

[@DHFlip18]

Внимание! Spoken like a true Russian! Listen, you should work for NASA or Boeing, they could use a real tech like you. Your methodical approach is great and shows you know your stuff. Happy Thanksgiving btw!

[@carloshernandez2216]

Have you try changing the lambda sensor for bank 2. I had a similar case where a bad sensor was cutting off the injectors for the bank with the pro lem

[@williegillie5712]

I wouldn’t rule out getting the smoker out to test for intake leak. Front O2 sensor issue maybe on the affected side?

[@marscruz]

It runs good on the direct injection system. It shows up only with the port injectors.

[@fascistpedant758]

Is it really lean on bank 1? Does it run well switching to DI or does it switch to DI when it runs well? Pull a plug or analyze exhaust gas. Could just be O2 sensor. What about ignition? It would read lean if spark cut out on that bank.

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Ivan, you know who might be able to help you out diagnosing this ? Faye Hadley from pistons and pixie dust. She's a former Toyota technician. Aka the Harvard mechanic.

[@srnc9740]

Fuel filter maybe?

[@neilmcrobbie7010]

are the direct injectors supposed to be totally off or just reduced using the port injection...….so is lean bank using port only but other bank has both operating. The amps to the port injectors was checked....but what about the direct injectors?

[@jovenlagda1229]

It’s on eco mode a cylinder deactivation you have to rev up the engine.

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Actually it's adding fuel like crazy, so not very "eco" friendly haha

[@stevespeed2000]

Why would it throw codes if it was on eco mode then?

[@fascistpedant758]

It would deactivate the injectors in eco mode.

[@fieldsofomagh]

Staten island does not disappoint.

[@georgebonney90]

Thx Ivan Happy Thanksgiving 🦃

[@robertbrandywine]

Question from a non-mechanic. Can you pull an injector and hold it in your hand to see if it is injecting?

[@chadgardee1496]

Cranks good so not compression timing? Injector not spraying right bad cat maybe make sure you got injector control

[@xanderlander8989]

Engine's this way, so it must be rear wheel drive. Unless it's a Chrysler product, looking at you LH cars, Stratus, Cirrus, etc.

[@jacquesdaoud4263]

Where is part 2 ?did you post it i can't wait happy thanksgiving

[@jackwood8307]

Did you check the air in the tires?

[@billburkart9087]

Good to see Steve again. Has He moved in with you Ivan. LOL

[@themainguy5050]

Why is the O2 sensor instantly maxing out? Is the oxygen sensor bad or shorted, given the computer wrong information causing it not inject fuel right?

[@terminaldiagnostics5576]

When touching the throttle did it go straight into direct injection from port when cold did the roughness go ? If I missed it on video apologies there's reason why iam asking

[@theGADGETSplaylist]

an exhaust leak fooling the O2 sensor?

[@throttlebottle5906]

I'll random guess, temperature sensor/wiring to it issue

[@veil67]

Scotty’s nightmare just happenned , normally he is on his knees for a Lexus , now it’s broken 😂

[@srnc9740]

and it's a 2016 one, not 94! LOL

[@MWestern-m4g]

Well Now I am confused. In the Big Inning(lol) you showed that the one O2 sensor was wack. It was going to the rail.Then you got into the #2 bank (cool) but you did an injector spit-it-out test. Previously you noticed that the banks injectors were receiving different pulse widths from the ECM(yes?) One skinnier than the fatter one. Who's telling the injectors to go skinny?? (hint-you answered that already.) I'ma losta --Stupid Toy-oda

[@stigonutube]

hahaha sell sell sell...looking forward to part2..

[@cdoutland]

When he said direct injected and sequential fuel injected I knew there's was going to be headache.

[@jimhaines8370]

A real thanksgiving turkey

[@ibidu1]

Im going for a bad ecu, or fuel rail pressure sensor

[@tomvleeuwen]

But according to Ivan, it is not actually running extremely rich and the injector pulse widths are high. So there is something that causes the fuel not to enter the engine, even though the ECU is trying it's best. If it is a bad ECU, what's wrong with it? What would the chain of events be in case the fuel pressure sensor is bad?

[@ibidu1]

@@tomvleeuwen Its possible a circuit inside the ecu is getting shorted out/or weakened from corrosion, therefore the ecu is trying to compensate. These ecus are mounted near the radiator, this vehicle could have been in an accident putting a tiny fracture in the case allowing moisture to seep in. Especially if you pressure wash that area! Wouldnt hurt to send out the ecu at a place like "sia electronics" for them to open it open and test it out they only charge $110.

[@tomvleeuwen]

@@ibidu1 In my opinion, sending out an ECU for repair without *exactly* knowing what it is doing wrong is just a parts canon. If you call the ECU, you should be able to say exactly which sensor input or actuator output is misbehaving (or in rare cases, show that it is a software problem), otherwise you are just not finished with the diagnosis.

[@ibidu1]

@@tomvleeuwen I totally agree! But when you run out of options/skills to properly diagnose. You take the path of least resistance/cost. Plus sending an ecu to have it inspected is not really slapping the parts bandaid. Youre outsourcing diagnostics to another

[@richardcranium5839]

first thought coolant temp sensor by the description of the fault now that kieth is in the house all bets are off

[@TonyInIowa]

If it was possible, I'd swap the upstream O2s side to side and see what happens.

[@TonyInIowa]

OR you could shoot some carb spray into the intake air stream to see if it had any effect on the #2 sensor.

[@chrishernandez2490]

This guy reminds me so much of ChrisFix. He could be his brother or something 😄

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Oh yeah, how's the promaster van doing?

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Burning miles and making deliveries as far as I know!

[@chadhelmer3835]

Ivan: the king of cliffhangers!

[@CubasAutomotive]

Hmmmm... it was a good theory, the only difference is now the PCM is taken out of the equation with the pulsing tool. I wonder if the strategy is screwed up somehow when the PCM is controlling the injectors? I love these puzzles Ivan! Glad to finally get to see this video after Steve posted his teaser a month ago! 😉😉😉

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Cuba, your thought process is always spot-on! Yes I agree something wrong with the strategy, or the AF sensor input. It gets even weirder in Part 2 ;)

[@CubasAutomotive]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics I've been learning from the best!😉😉 So part 2 weirder, eh?? 🤔🤔

[@jeremyanthony9300]

Happy thanksgiving to you and your daughter Cuba.

[@CubasAutomotive]

@@jeremyanthony9300 Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family Jeremy😁😊🦃🍁🍂

[@anthonyrebock5351]

whappy Thanksgiving P.H.A.D.

[@AP9311]

I would say bad ecm, maybe. I figure Keith already figured that out lol. That is sure is possessed car!!!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

It's Staten Island, so I'll call a bad ECM too haha! Happy Thanksgiving Josh!

[@AP9311]

@@PineHollowAutoDiagnosticsI agree, it's Staten Island thing. They make them possessed!! Lol Happy Thanksgiving to you and Amanda!

[@djentyman4002]

Scotty Kilmer disliked this video

[@Airman..]

This video is a plot made by GM

[@Tedybear315]

Why? I'm sure he could have fit into the trunk to play "Peek-A-Boo'.....

[@djentyman4002]

Nestaly Perez not really

[@barryo9065]

Does this have upstream air injection? Air valve stuck open?

[@robertoruiz7069]

I'm thinking it could be electrical.the wiring harness somewhere rubbed trough or a bad contact in a union plug.two systems direct and port,they switch between the two by electrical signal,I seem to remember now ....when i CHANGED THE OIL at JIFFY LUBE ME UP....i broke a ground wire that was near the drain plug be ACCIDENT....MY BAD....haha was it important????

[@vlstyles]

Eager for Part 2; A Thanksgiving gift??

[@kevinshasteen5682]

This is staten island. Dont the ECM's, in staten island, get rpl as maintenance items w/every oil change? I dont have a clue so my default, again - for staten island, is an ECM.., BOOM goes the parts cannon

[@damienbell3155]

Great stuff

[@billyesposito3089]

Just a guess...I'll place my bet on an intermittent fault with the low pressure fuel pump!?

[@calebmohler3082]

Ivan not sure if I missed it in the video. When it went into direct injection mode did the Lambda sensor return to 3.3 volts??

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Yup ran smooth as butter!

[@calebmohler3082]

Cool thanks?

[@throttlebottle5906]

I thought they used both injection systems all the time, but I may be thinking wrong brand vehicles ;)

[@busbqbill449]

Longitudinal doesnt meen RWD look at vw audi. Haha. Nice video as always boys

[@ericstevenson3738]

Vacuum leak of some sort 😉

[@rhkips]

So, crazy questions time! 1) Does this engine use Variable Intake Runner Geometry to change airflow characteristics between Port and Direct injection strategies? Have you ever manually actuated a runner flap on a car when the engine isn't expecting it, and seen what it can do to fuel trims? 2) How many upstream O2/AFR sensors does this vehicle have PER BANK? Dual upstream O2S systems don't always display on scantools. Also, this being a Toyota at heart, what are your ETFT/Post-Cat Trims looking like? This car is only 3 years old; your ETFT data can, on occasion, give some insight into the nature and duration of the problem.

[@fascistpedant758]

ETFT?