Cooling Fan Stuck-On Case Study: '04 Toyota Highlander

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Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics

Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics

Күн бұрын

The cooling fan on this Toyota stays stuck ON when the car is shut down, draining the battery. Once again the trusty test light saves the day and leads us to one of the most bizarre wiring issues I have come across...
I can say for certain, that no amount of parts-swapping would have fixed this car!!
Enjoy!
This is another great example of how a wiring diagram and a test light "scope-on-a-rope" can pinpoint very obscure problems. A fitting title for this vid could be "Advanced test-light diagnostics".
For a more thorough breakdown of this fan control circuit, check out ScannerDanner's vid:
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I apologize for the poor lighting and shaky camera at the end...it was late, I had a cold, and had to finish up the repair :)
Enjoy!

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@raymondcascella4920
@raymondcascella4920 2 жыл бұрын
Very few people out there that are determined to fix a problem like this and then to share it, gives me hope that there are still some honest hard working mechanics. Cudos to you.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Raymond! This was a neat case study :)
@motohead3214
@motohead3214 8 ай бұрын
A 20 year master tech just want to thank you, have the exact same issue you saved me time and the customer money, I have never seen a short through the connector bit sure enough that was the issue, I had the junction box all apart and still couldn’t find the issue, thank you so much for sharing!!!!!!!!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 ай бұрын
That's awesome! One of the weirdest electrical failures I have ever seen on any car! 😅
@johnchristensen4665
@johnchristensen4665 Жыл бұрын
Well, I still have a 2004 Highlander and it did exactly what was described in this video. Once I pulled the blue/white wire, the fan stopped running. I went through all the checks that was described here and was amazed that my problem was exactly the same as described. I would never have found the problem without this video. Good job tracing this electrical anomaly.
@DeRanged218
@DeRanged218 21 күн бұрын
What did you do after you pulled blue/white wire? Just “cap” it off?
@Okie-Tom
@Okie-Tom 4 жыл бұрын
Wild, I just watched Eric O have almost the same problem on the same connector on a Toyota! His were all crusted together. He had to completely take the connector out of the wiring. Good investigative work Ivan! Tom
@randygudeahn7304
@randygudeahn7304 8 жыл бұрын
great detective work Ivan. you and Eric.O have taught me to never give up on a repair. I'm an appliance tech for a very lage company for 27 years. going out of the box to watch you both in another industry is amazing. Different field, but same work ethic and diagnosing procedures. I thank you and Eric.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
+Randy Gudeahn (ProTech) Hey Randy you are absolutely right about the diagnostic procedures and thought process being very similar. Most modern appliances are all logic-controlled and programmable just like cars! I had to troubleshoot our house heat pump a few years ago. It was throwing trouble codes (!) for the outside air temp circuit...turned out to be a bad thermistor. Can't imagine how expensive a diagnostic/repair house call would have been on that thing!
@stuzman52
@stuzman52 8 жыл бұрын
Who in their wildest dreams would have thought those two wires were shorted together inside the connector. Great work Ivan with the diagnostics!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
+stuzman52 I couldn't believe it either, Terry! Thought my Ammeter was lying lol
@felixcat4346
@felixcat4346 5 жыл бұрын
He fake it. Its the youtube "McGuffin", a "McGuffin" is the excuse to make the plot swing, don't matter if its true or false. Show biz 101.
@scottwarren8847
@scottwarren8847 4 жыл бұрын
@@felixcat4346 stfu dumbass
@ManicMechanic007
@ManicMechanic007 8 жыл бұрын
Intelligence + determination = win. Great work Ivan.
@yloow2
@yloow2 8 жыл бұрын
I thought that you had lost your mind when checked amperage on the dead end of that connector . VERY GOOD JOB !!!!!!!!!!
@nicholasmichalek1227
@nicholasmichalek1227 3 жыл бұрын
Just did a customer's car with the exact same problem. This was extremely helpful. Thank you.
@ciankilduff7992
@ciankilduff7992 Жыл бұрын
Hey there! I currently have the same problem. Did it end up being in the connector pointed out in this video/was it fixable? Praying it is bc I just put in a new battery and alternator just to find it still has a parasitic draw. Thanks in advance
@jerseysaltfisher
@jerseysaltfisher 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome video..mechanic myself all my life, 25years, and consider myself very adept with electrical problems like these. Great methodical thought process and great use of following wiring diagrams and using testing equipment..enjoyed watching
@billrimmer5596
@billrimmer5596 8 жыл бұрын
Ivan, that was excellent!! The three things that really helped me in this video were 1. Your use of the incandescent test light. 2. The ammeter clamp on probe. 3. Your skills at interpreting the signs. Also appreciate your BBB comment in answer to a fellow subscriber. Class was very good today!!!
@froglegs4910
@froglegs4910 6 жыл бұрын
He did good job for tracking the problem ! very clear explanation !
@saaaron5213
@saaaron5213 3 жыл бұрын
BBB you broke my heart..... No more wiring diagrams -- I wish I could find another site, but so far no dice.
@mmichaeldonavon
@mmichaeldonavon 5 жыл бұрын
Ivan. IMHO, superb troubleshooting! You and Eric O are killing me! I never knew just how much I did not know about troubleshooting cars - I'm learning, thanks to you and Eric O. Many thanks for the "Heads up" with BBB Industries - now a member of their data base. Many, many thanks.
@imprezaaudi
@imprezaaudi 4 жыл бұрын
Eric O had the same connector go on one of his repairs. This time it went up in smoke and had symptoms of alternator and abs issues. It took out 2 fuses, a 7.5A and 10 Amp both wires were next to each other in the connector. Full rewire of connector cured all faults
@ashleysherwood8793
@ashleysherwood8793 4 жыл бұрын
My Toyota has the same exact wires and issues you did! So weird!! Thanks for the video wouldn’t have found it without your video!
@thomasmorris206
@thomasmorris206 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you ! , I just encountered the same issue with an almost identical vehicle.Your diagnostic work saved me hours , furthermore the problem could have led to some other expensive potential solutions as there was absolutely no evidence of a problem with the connector on my vehicle . Nice work & thanks again!
@mechtechtools838
@mechtechtools838 8 жыл бұрын
That was a crazy diagnosis. Who would have thought shorted wires in connector. I bet most shops would have thrown relays and a computer at it. Awesome job!!!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
+buzzerauto Yup that situation could have gotten ugly with parts swapping...good thing they stopped at just one relay!! Hopefully the computer driver for the fan relays survived the short. Maybe should have bi-directionally checked it?
@mechtechtools838
@mechtechtools838 8 жыл бұрын
+motoYam82 Maybe but I sure there fine. I guess you should always verify repair. I've had connector issues on stuff but I usually find green corrosion or damaged connector. But this video shows that there doesnt have to be anything visual to be a problem.
@bonacjunk9983
@bonacjunk9983 2 жыл бұрын
dude! thank you my shop was chasing this problem for a week this ended up being the problem... super helpful
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 2 жыл бұрын
Cool! Hopefully the methods shown here will cut down the diag time from weeks to hours on the next one 😁👌
@sandyande
@sandyande 8 жыл бұрын
thanks Ivan that was a brilliant case study, I learned a lot about electrical trouble shooting and using the ammeter, hope u charged plenty and remember there is always the cash in the fuse cover! cheers sandy
@robertjohn1157
@robertjohn1157 3 жыл бұрын
Pa awwaaaay was
@schrodingersboxquantummeka2008
@schrodingersboxquantummeka2008 8 жыл бұрын
Wow never seen that before! Nice diagnosis! But I'm gonna go take some dramamine now
@QuiteDrifty
@QuiteDrifty 7 жыл бұрын
Holy moly dude! Just finished up my mom's Highlander. It was literally this exact same issue! Even the pin broke off as well! Thanks so much for posting this, honestly not sure I would have gotten it myself.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 жыл бұрын
NICE! I thought no one would ever find the same problem as here. Good thing you didn't take it to a shop and watched KZbin instead ;) P.S. If I helped you save a bunch of money feel free to click on the Fan Funding button too. Glad I could help!
@moonsynth
@moonsynth 7 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the great vid. I started out with the same cooling fan problem. Later in the day my car started stalling at idle. Instrument panel was going crazy. Trans would skip when I turned on ac. I had one of the pins in the same connector come off when I opened it up. I ended up bypassing the connector with 4 sets of wires over a couple days and everything is great now! Thanks so much for the thorough diagnosis and education in electrical troubleshooting. Great wiring diagrams and info at website you mentioned. Way better than Haynes manual. Thanks again.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 жыл бұрын
That makes my day! Great job on the repair, hopefully your Toyota will be problem-free for a long time :)
@hansschweikert9153
@hansschweikert9153 6 жыл бұрын
Before the fan ran continuously, I also had idle issues and transmission skipping issues, just like what you are describing. How hard would it be to just replace it with another 10 pin connector? I'm tempted to just bypass the two wires like Ivan did, but now I'm wondering if other pins are going to fail and cause assorted malfunctions. Bad design.
@SimplyDiagnostics
@SimplyDiagnostics 6 жыл бұрын
Great walk through system design and operation Ivan. Thanks for sharing.
@lupedelacruz4152
@lupedelacruz4152 7 ай бұрын
Love that you take us all the way Amigo. I'll keep watching sir
@ns671fr
@ns671fr 5 жыл бұрын
Pretty awesome diagnostics, dont stop doing this
@jimyaekel7385
@jimyaekel7385 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you. Just had this exact issue pop up on my 05 Highlander and jumped right on KZbin to investigate. I JSU put $2k into repairs on both my vehicles and didn’t need this. I went right to the plug you identified and could here the relay tripping and arcing when I wiggled the connector. Then it got hot and saw a puff of smoke. Pulled the battery, opened the plug and found the pin pretty much melted. I hope jumping around the connector is the solution. I’ll let you know.
@anythinganytimealways
@anythinganytimealways 7 ай бұрын
Well, did it work or catch fire?
@kenbig1
@kenbig1 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly my symptoms up to and including isolating the ECM. Great video in any case I never would have got this far otherwise or understood as much about how the circuit functions. Trying to figure out how to unplug the connectors and remove the relays is not an easy task. I found when trying isolate the ECM that the plug wires on the male side of the plug were hot to the touch. And there was contamination inside male plug half around the pins. 2005 Highlander. I hope this is the answer... and cleaning the plug I found a loose pin that was corroded and easily fell over and broke...final and, I soldered in a bypass wire and now the fans, fan when they are supposed to and all the warning lights are gone.
@jimyaekel7385
@jimyaekel7385 4 жыл бұрын
Was it the answer? I'm about to do the same on my '05 for the exact issue.
@kenbig1
@kenbig1 4 жыл бұрын
@@jimyaekel7385 yes it was "an" answer and did remove most of my symptoms. I don't profess to understand all I did. But simple observation of the state of the pins in the connector said those were a likely starting point. I made sure I understood and and documented the pin out and the wire colors before I started. I found some crimp splices that worked well and sealed with heat gun.
@jimyaekel7385
@jimyaekel7385 4 жыл бұрын
kenbig1 as an electronics technician I think you did a very methodical troubleshooting job. When my connector started getting hot and even smoking from manipulating it, that was a pretty obvious sign. But on mine the pin actually cooled off and the green/ yellow wire alongside it showed signs of overheating also. For good measure I bypassed both of those and the red one you did. I solder wires, just wish I’d had some shrink tubing. I’ll have to go back to it. But the fan running issue is eliminated and no more relays clicked and arcing. Thanks for your post!
@jeradooka1840
@jeradooka1840 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks man, I have a similar issue in my Toyota Camry. Gotta use your technique
@rogerlang7250
@rogerlang7250 4 жыл бұрын
Had the same issue with my 2007. Luckily it turned out to be a relay stuck closed. Thank you for the video!!!!! I wouldn't been able to figure it out with out it
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 4 жыл бұрын
Good to hear Roger! Feel free to donate a few bucks via the PayPal link; it helps to fund the information services like wiring diagrams that I share in the videos 🙂 Thank you!
@whitetiger8652
@whitetiger8652 8 жыл бұрын
Great job Ivan. The test light is always a valuable tool.
@linfieldsclass197
@linfieldsclass197 2 жыл бұрын
Same issue and your video was a great time saver. Excellent diagnostics process!! Mike in Canada
@firehouses5firemenfiretruc571
@firehouses5firemenfiretruc571 2 жыл бұрын
Wow, nice investigation on this, very impressive detective work. Really impressed with you drilling into the schematic. Could be my problem as well.
@Mr92cadi
@Mr92cadi 8 жыл бұрын
1, 2, freaking barbecue! Quick and dirty repair. great job
@8power0
@8power0 8 жыл бұрын
Another excellent video , that amp probe is a must have in automotive today .
@SteveRobReviews
@SteveRobReviews 8 жыл бұрын
Nice, don't see that often. I've never seen it inside the connector . 👍👍
@wtbm123
@wtbm123 8 жыл бұрын
Good find , Who would of ever thought
@joachimbartsch1045
@joachimbartsch1045 5 жыл бұрын
this is an old video, but I just had the exact same problem 2 days ago. Helped me a bunch to find the fix. THANKS!
@Yonipzz
@Yonipzz 2 жыл бұрын
whats the issue and how you fixed it? thanks.
@joachimbartsch1045
@joachimbartsch1045 2 жыл бұрын
@@Yonipzz The wires to the fan/switch right at the plug from the main harness were burnt. Just repaired the plug.
@Yonipzz
@Yonipzz 2 жыл бұрын
@@joachimbartsch1045 thank you for a quick response.
@calebcaruso
@calebcaruso 4 жыл бұрын
This is so helpful i have an issue with corolla ae101 very similar. Will now look into connectors on the bottom of the fuse box and check on the pins.
@zzali1831
@zzali1831 11 ай бұрын
Thank you that was really helpful I have this problem today. Hoping I will fix it tomorrow.
@bruceirvine3962
@bruceirvine3962 3 жыл бұрын
Sounds like you're fighting allergy or a cold. Stay strong!
@EXOVCDS
@EXOVCDS 8 жыл бұрын
Far out, far out... well done, well done!
@karlbuttler
@karlbuttler 8 жыл бұрын
Amazing how you chased that down...
@rmdaniels267
@rmdaniels267 6 жыл бұрын
I have the exact same issue going on with my Solara. How does one go about fixing those wires? This car is pissing me off, I mean I can't walk away from it without pulling the two fan fuses.
@LegacyGarage
@LegacyGarage Жыл бұрын
Hey thanks man this was life saver. Had this happen on 1 i had after a sunroof drain clogged so i was looking inside and cleaning connectors. Found this and could hear the connector sizzle while unplugged. I ended up also having a battery light on because the wire it shorted to lost connection after i repaired the other.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics Жыл бұрын
Nice work! Crazy that a connector can short out internally like that 😅
@LegacyGarage
@LegacyGarage Жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics yeppers, i cleaned it and it was good but i couldn't leave it,i knew it happen again so i just bypassed it like you
@andreagili4589
@andreagili4589 8 жыл бұрын
Hi Ivan, watched all of your videos and i have to say have come a long way with your diagnostic capabilities. You even convinced me i need to buy a stand alone amp clamp so i don't have to take out the scope every time. Good job with this :)
@rabidlumberjack
@rabidlumberjack 7 жыл бұрын
Literally just had this issue today! I followed this video to the t and my test light showed the exact same symptoms. Thank you so much for posting this so I didn't have to take it to the dealer and have them chase this gremlin.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 7 жыл бұрын
Wow same exact short in that connector?! I would never have guessed that anyone would see this problem, as it was so bizarre!
@rabidlumberjack
@rabidlumberjack 7 жыл бұрын
When we unplugged the ECM and wiggled the connector and the test light started flickering I almost lost it haha
@christopherlee2
@christopherlee2 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks!!! This saved me so much time.
@rogermendoza6150
@rogermendoza6150 Жыл бұрын
Awesome 👏 work helps me learn more about diagnostic troubleshooting
@grzegorz16100
@grzegorz16100 8 жыл бұрын
I would put some sort of connector on that wire in case if it needs to be unplugged. Great video.
@ChueyMr11
@ChueyMr11 8 жыл бұрын
The Toyo cooling fan circuit is a nightmare. The ECU does not control the under hood fans. They are controlled by the ac water temp switch and the ac pressure sensor. Never seen a short in a connector. I have seen open circuit connectors caused by improper backprobing. Good job! I would have given up.
@samd410
@samd410 8 жыл бұрын
Ivan, you are great mechanic. keep up the good work
@oszkarlazar7581
@oszkarlazar7581 6 жыл бұрын
Nice clear analysis and resolution. Impressive. Well done.
@billyr9840
@billyr9840 8 жыл бұрын
Ivan, very well done deducing the possible causes of the short ! Is it drawing current and how much ? Now that is what a Amp Probe is suppose to be used for! excellent diagnostic skill !
@anythinganytimealways
@anythinganytimealways 7 ай бұрын
I have an 03 highlander 3.0 v-6 and the fans won't come on at all. Even when turning the ac on, nothing. Both of the fans work when given 12volts. All the fuses are good inside and out. Replaced the relays with new and that didn't work either. Temperature reads normal but its winter. Its not overheating, yet. I'm looking into replacing the fan switch but would that cause them not to come on even with the ac active?
@redconvertible2865
@redconvertible2865 6 ай бұрын
Hi, thank you so much the video, it was very informative. I have a 2008 Lexus RX400 H. Both radiator fans and heater blower fan continue to run with engine off and keg out. When turn on with they are off. I did all the tests you have shown in the video. Tested the load side and it has 12V and side the going to fan and feed 12v to side and unplugged the fan and everything is just good. The problem is control side has 12V with engine off and key out when I remove the heat fuse it off. I also check the negative side of the control side of the coil and it going fine ( in your case you 12v) I don’t have the wiring diagram for it, can you please help me find what is feed the control with key out. Thanks
@MT-rp1kb
@MT-rp1kb 3 жыл бұрын
Wow, I’m having this exact problem in an 05. Amazing work thankyou.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah it's a weird problem lol
@MT-rp1kb
@MT-rp1kb 3 жыл бұрын
@@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics somehow the voltage reg got cooked when jiggling wires.,,
@stevescott8758
@stevescott8758 6 жыл бұрын
Great example of logical testing Ivan.
@zacatecano1986
@zacatecano1986 7 жыл бұрын
Great video , good diagnosis skills ! Testlights are awesome !!!
@DiyMech
@DiyMech 8 жыл бұрын
Superb piece of fault finding Ivan, DC ammeters are a lot cheaper nowadays an excellent fault finding tool, pick cheap ones up for around £30, but if you can afford the top notch ones then carry on. What's the odds on a local garage finding that one then ?, keep up the excellent videos.
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
+DiyMech Thanks! Yeah the more I use the amp clamp, the more I like it...great non-intrusive tool with no leads to plug in or get in the way. In this case it was the most effective way to pinpoint the problem without cutting wires or poking holes. It's a fantastic piece of equipment when paired with a test light :)
@kayodeadeogun3325
@kayodeadeogun3325 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for wonderful video. My Highlander radiator fans run on low speed,but when i switch on A/C ,it runs on high speed. This has make me to change the radiator bu the fan run on low speed. What could be the problem? My Highlander is 2004 model.
@toyotatechMDT
@toyotatechMDT 8 жыл бұрын
Nice video! Toyota fan control is strange. Same set up on the rav-4 as well! They do have to break sometimes or I'd go hungry!
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
+Toyota Tech lol I thought you would chime in on this one!
@bruceaugustine6486
@bruceaugustine6486 6 жыл бұрын
the EB2 connector is my guess second connector under thr front of the relay box. either melted of water intrution and corrosion.
@DeRanged218
@DeRanged218 21 күн бұрын
I’m having the same issue. I understand 99% of the video, except the end. What wire did you pull and solder together?
@windsorrocks
@windsorrocks 7 жыл бұрын
The 'wiggle jiggle' test is legit. Nice video!!
@CravinMorehead420
@CravinMorehead420 8 жыл бұрын
Good old test light and ammeter. Feels good solving problems like that..
@michellemull3059
@michellemull3059 3 жыл бұрын
Hi please advice I've got 2012 peugeot 3008 1.6 A/T vti petrol my fan allowys on while driving sense starting the engine and when I switched the engine off the fan stay for 5 on then it's off and the battery many times died please help and the car taking so much petrol, thank you
@trevorvanbremen4718
@trevorvanbremen4718 5 жыл бұрын
You were possibly _LUCKY_ that the PCM (and the other two switches) survived this fault. If the 'short' within the connector was capable of supplying any decent amount of current, then EITHER a fuse would 'let out the smoke' when the PCM commanded the fan on, OR, the 'switch' within the PCM (probably a MOSFET) would have let out its magic smoke. It would be interesting to know where that other wire in the short (white with blue trace) went to. My guess would be that it's probably on the controlled ground side of some other (medium current) component and was only capable of supplying a limited amount of current.
@ozzstars_cars
@ozzstars_cars 8 жыл бұрын
when you did the repair you mentioned you spliced the two wires, bypassed the one wire 27:12. I am confused so my question is which wire were you speaking of according to the diagram that was bypassed and what did you splice it to? thanks
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
+Ozzstar Ended up bypassing the connector with BOTH wires that were shorted together. The pin for that white/blue wire (not on the diagram...not sure where that went) was actually very weak inside the connector due to corrosion, so had to bypass that one as well as our red/yellow PCM control wire for the fan relays :)
@ozzstars_cars
@ozzstars_cars 8 жыл бұрын
Okay gotcha now, you bypassed those two wires from the connector. You connected the matching wires (butt connection), outside of both connectors. Nice fix man, great diagnostics
@hansschweikert9153
@hansschweikert9153 6 жыл бұрын
What wire did you bypass the red/yellow on to? The left side (female) plug has no red/yellow wire coming out of it.
@amazoidal
@amazoidal 3 жыл бұрын
South Main Auto Repair had an 05 Highlander and that connector had fried terminals.
@JuanCRaw
@JuanCRaw 7 жыл бұрын
crazy I'm working on the same vehicle which is a 2005 highlander 3.3 ... that wire which is was hot all time mines is that is doesn't have no voltage nor ground wire is dry ...fan do not kick at all unless i give direct power will run... i need some help!!.. but this video has help a lot this is amazing
@zacatecano1986
@zacatecano1986 7 жыл бұрын
Hey man i can help you with your problem if yiu would like
@paulmoffat9306
@paulmoffat9306 4 жыл бұрын
Most likely, there is a stray wire from the terminal crimps that was bridging between the 2 positions - one of the stranded wires was not captured in the terminal.
@techsavantlove
@techsavantlove 8 жыл бұрын
Perhaps the internal short was partly or mostly due to heat breaking down the insulation? (melting)
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
+douglas “The flame is dead” lee In this case there was evidence of chemical corrosion on one of those pins inside the connector. I assume battery acid caused the damage at some point since this connector lives right by the NEG terminal. I also know that Toyota batteries like to leak acid :)
@zvit
@zvit 3 жыл бұрын
BBB no longer offers TSBs and wiring diagrams. We apologize for the inconvenience.
@MXSLICK
@MXSLICK 6 жыл бұрын
my 05 highlander has a peculiar issue. when the AC kicks in the cooling fans i get a red battery warning light. voltage is 13.4v red light on. oddly, i can turn off the AC and put a massive draw on the system with heated seats, lights, rear defrost, blower motor..even wipers and power windows...it drags the voltage down to 12.5 but no battery light.. only get battery warning when the fans kick on so its not directly related to low voltage/failing alternator ( Not belt slip..if i wait for engine to heat up and fans to kick on for cooling it does the same thing so not specific to a/c use)
@hansschweikert9153
@hansschweikert9153 6 жыл бұрын
Holy crap, batman! My '04 Toyota Highlander is doing this exact thing. I never imagined that this would be such an involved diagnosis. I mean, when do plugs go bad? And how many mechanics would find something like this? Thanks.
@eddiemartinez265
@eddiemartinez265 8 жыл бұрын
IVAN YOU SOUND MORE LIKE UNCLE ERIC EVERYDAY.
@JD-iu3vi
@JD-iu3vi 4 жыл бұрын
Ivan, I got 2005 Highlander with a intermittent P0012 code and the VVT solenoid checks good but I want to check the filter. I can't figure out where it is located. Does anyone know where it is located?
@wldmhd
@wldmhd 7 жыл бұрын
I touched my 2008 FJ cruiser headlight plug when installing my xenon hid.. Now there is no low beam, I am preparing to do same thing you do here. FJ cruiser DRL with headlights system makes things very difficult, God help me I even bought Fluke117 for this. Do I need lights tester!
@qwarko3658
@qwarko3658 8 жыл бұрын
Great find! I guess the owner got lucky those +12V fed into the computer did not damage it. One small thing I do not get: if that wiring diagram is correct, then once the engine is warmed up and the water temp switch closes, then it would have been a direct +12V short to ground? There must have been a blown fuse somewhere in this case?
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
+qwarko Now that is a fantastic question! After digging around more wiring diagrams, I finally tracked down that WHT/BLU wire that was shorted to the fan relay control pin at connector EB2. It is coming straight from the ALT-S fuse (7.5A) in the relay box, on its way to the alternator. Now since it was at 12V during testing, that 7.5A fuse is definitely NOT blown. From this we can conclude a few things: 1) Neither Water Temp Sw. #1 nor the A/C pressure switch tripped during the fault. 2) The ECM never commanded the fan ON at full speed...or if it did there was some current-limiting in the ECM to prevent current over 7A. I did NOT verify if that driver was still functional after the fix... 3) Under normal operation, low speed of both fans is enough to keep the operating temperature normal (Relay 3 turns on both fans via Water Temp Sw #2). Perhaps I should have verified that ECM driver was still functional...wonder if that would throw a trouble code? Thanks for the comment!
@qwarko3658
@qwarko3658 8 жыл бұрын
+motoYam82 Not sure about the trouble code... Another possibility though might be that the ECM wire is just for "sensing", not "commanding" - the ECM might be checking if the a/c pressure or engine temp is too high and then turns off the a/c clutch or otherwise limits engine performance... Just an idea. Anyway - cool diagnostics and thanks for filming it!
@bradleycass11
@bradleycass11 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I had already watched this video but I realized that Eric O had the same issue. Toyota needs to recall that wiring harness before they catch fire
@laohantun7404
@laohantun7404 8 жыл бұрын
Unbelievable ......thanks Ivan....
@JohnDoe-uq3mx
@JohnDoe-uq3mx 8 жыл бұрын
Some cars still keep the fan running, for minutes, even after the ignition key has been removed (car off, and driver exited vehicle).
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 8 жыл бұрын
Yup. But not this one!
@OemarLP
@OemarLP 7 жыл бұрын
John Doe Mercedes A-Class 2007 for example. I had one and it had alot of problems but the most annoying one were the cooling issues. In summer, the motor said it was overheating (it wasnt) and the fan was running all the time at full speed. And after some time the car went into some kind of "I dont want to run anymore" state...
@jassingh9083
@jassingh9083 3 жыл бұрын
I have a Peugeot 308, the fan keeps running as soon as I start the car in the morning, so the engine isn't hot at all. I've replaced the thermostat sensor & the problem is still there. Could you please assist me with my problem as I feel the garage is trying to rip me off. Look forward to you're reply. Thanks Jas
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 3 жыл бұрын
Get a wiring diagram and see what controls the fan relay 👍
@dittybur
@dittybur 5 жыл бұрын
awesome video awesome job thanks man
@estrelladelnorte1308
@estrelladelnorte1308 8 жыл бұрын
WOW! that was amazing diagnostic.
@graymodeler
@graymodeler 8 жыл бұрын
Charge him! It's Amazing that things that are never supposed to happen, happen. Down in the south, we never see these types of problems to any extent. You come to expect green crud problems I suppose.
@ericcorse
@ericcorse 8 жыл бұрын
Well done a real head scratcher.
@trippplefive
@trippplefive 6 жыл бұрын
how did you bypass the wire? did you solder the one wire directly to the corresponding with on the female side of the plug?
@TTV_TOXIC_MAD_YT
@TTV_TOXIC_MAD_YT 2 жыл бұрын
This what's going on with my Infiniti FX35 my fan on and it's lost communication with the ecm
@luigitorchia8866
@luigitorchia8866 8 жыл бұрын
Another job well done. Congrats.
@Photostudioww
@Photostudioww 8 жыл бұрын
my logic is that when some one disconnects the fans for whatever reason, there is a load that goes thru and shorts the connector wires. my 2001 has the fans on all the time when the key is in the acc or running. im going to check the connector maybe its shorted there too. the fans stayed on after i took them out to remove the ac system, they worked fine before, so i think we have to disconnect the battery so that connection doesnt short out. and it is a rule that whenever electrical parts are removed, the batery should be disconnected. an mistake by my part. very good video.
@juanrodriguez-ry6yt
@juanrodriguez-ry6yt 6 жыл бұрын
bro its oct 2017 10 dislikes who are these people it was brilliant i just don't get it
@amazoidal
@amazoidal 3 жыл бұрын
South Main Auto Repair August 14, 2018 - "Toyota Highlander - To Fix it, Follow the Smoke". Look at the female end of the connector.
@laohantun7404
@laohantun7404 5 жыл бұрын
So weird.....corroded and shorted in the plastic housing....it happened to me before on forklift wiring harness ....
@Havemercyonme08
@Havemercyonme08 9 ай бұрын
Oh man, how long did you take? I’m going to bring my car for service 180 an hour to figure out. Hope it didn’t take as long as it did with you. My fan comes on when I turn on my high beans when I shut off my high beans, the fan shut off truck has to be off so weird
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics
@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics 9 ай бұрын
Figure it out yourself! 😎
@joelnavarro9339
@joelnavarro9339 7 жыл бұрын
I understang that circuit should provide ground to complete the circuit of control circuit of realy, What I do not Understand how will that makes the realy to close the swith side with 2 powers IF sorted to power, pin one on relay is power side thanks you have awesome videos . I do not know if I am missing some thing when waching the video
@JVerschueren
@JVerschueren 7 жыл бұрын
You're not really missing something other than maybe relays work regardless of polarity. If you have a bar magnet, you'll notice you can pick up metal objects with either pole of the magnet. Same with the electro magnet in the relay: even though the current is flowing the wrong way and its polarity is reversed, it will still close the contact. The reason the relays closed with the key off was there was some path back to ground, as indicated by the very dim testlight from battery power.. Not good enough to really carry any current but enough for the 30mA or so required to energize the relays. With the key on/engine running, the other side of the control side was switched to battery positive, so there was no more voltage drop accross the relay, hence no more current and the relays turned off. Also note, though people commonly say 'short to battery' with regard to this type of fault, it's hardly ever a dead short to battery. The 'short' in this case had some resistance to it, otherwise the testlight wouldn't have flickered when Ivan moved the wires. Therefore, when the AC really commanded those fans on there was no dead short accross the battery, just a parasitic draw through the connection. A few amps, probably, but in a car with an alternator that can kick out 150 Amps and a battery which can (for a short amount of time) kick out over 400 Amps such things do not affect normal operation much and are therefore sometimes hard to find (especially without service information)
@eldocilospina6091
@eldocilospina6091 8 жыл бұрын
Ivan you are a superhero
@JerodMatlock
@JerodMatlock 8 жыл бұрын
that was a good one! Thanks for showing us
@Badmailk
@Badmailk 3 жыл бұрын
Very Good job well done. You are the best
@tonyfremont
@tonyfremont 3 жыл бұрын
Must be salted water inside the connector. It's crusty where you can't see and grew into a short. Now I will be testing fir things that can possibly be the problem, and find them to be the problem.
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