Ping G410LST vs G400LST | Matt's Driver for 2019

[@mikeslater4043]

Might as well start hitting the like button before I watch any TXG videos, not seen a bad one yet.. Great work fella's :-)

[@martinadolfsson7466]

Its been a pleasure watching the driver challenge. Incredible content as always 🤩 love to see more of these challenges with more clubs when the time comes for either of you to change what you have today in your bags😃

[@scotty_teee4226]

Absolutely loved the bracket! You should take this format into the rest of the bag. Would be good to see other parts of the bag go through the process.

[@rjsilman]

I learn something new with every video. Ian and Matt truly deliver the best content. Thanks, guys!

[@luisrepreza174]

Good to see you in real time testing what is going to be your leading club on a long course!

[@patrickmonell6536]

I loved this series as I am in the market for a new driver. It helps give me an idea to start! Thanks for the great content. Makes the morning coffee better!

[@qnpmh]

WOW!!! GREAT BALL STRIKING!!! SOLID DRIVER & SHAFT COMBO! EXCELLENT CONTENT AS ALWAYS TXG!!!

[@norwegianwarhound451]

Great stuff guys. Enjoyed the whole journey through the brackets to here. Best golf related content on KZbin!

[@werb24]

Love the channel, but I'd have loved to see the challenge series have a bit more variety. Rather than putting the drivers through essentially the same process at each stage, advance as you would through the fitting process. So here's the idea: Round 1 - keep it the same - all drivers evaluated in neutral settings with the same shaft. Round 2 - Take each driver through a fitting to optimize the performance, these videos would be a little longer form and have more of the conversations that have been the hallmark of the channel. Evaluate the numbers the same way you would in any fitting Final Round - on course testing of the three drivers. It would be great to see how they perform over a round of golf in the real world. It would be a chance to really see if what's happening in the studio is reflected on the course.

[@bengreen1262]

William Erb That virtually happened

[@werb24]

Ben green when? They did a great job, but the essentially replicated the same process at each stage. I don’t get what you mean.

[@maydaymechanicmusic]

Great content! Really enjoy the testing and flushing things out with real data.

Both drivers great and dispersion amazing, with the G410 just edging. Great watching as per usual.

[@chrischampion727]

All hail the G410 LST 👑. The 410 line has been impressive across the board in all your tests. Fast, forgiving, and tiny dispersion circles. Great series guys!

[@xIamTwist]

Every time I watch Matt swing I feel like an old man

[@jimmyculp8756]

I am a old man, I really feel old!

[@timothydaniels504]

One of the things that has amazed me about driver fitting is the amount of improvement I’ve seen in hitting the middle of the club face. I was hoping to get a higher ball flight, which I did but seeing little dimple marks in the middle of the face is a huge confidence builder. When I walked out of TXG with my Rogue, Mike and Chris both said, “don’t touch those settings “. I don’t and I won’t. It’s always instructive to watch the simplicity and power of Matt’s swing. Actually both of you guys have it.

[@snwman862]

Again another great instrumental video guys.. oh and Matt some serious bombers 😮

[@christophermatthews4896]

That 410 looks so much better too! Looks better, feels better, flies better... win win win! You did it the right way too Matt, you got to hit all the best combos of drivers so you know you can’t do better no matter what! Congrats on the new driver :)

[@georgebroom8517]

A cracking piece of work TXG & Happy New Driver Matt.!! Marginal gains at work...👍

[@parmanduke]

Great video as usual. Love your channel. Keep up the awesome work.

[@p1miguel999]

enjoyed it boys! the challenge series for me was a success. Looking forward to more new content you guys come up with. Hey Matt, Rip Phenom was my favorite before my coach/fitter got me out of it. had it in my favorite 913 D3 and loved it. I have been losing yardage with my drives due to age and a heart attach 2 years back. Just got fit into the Aldila Extortion and WOW the yards are back!! I also use the VA Drago on days i am feeling stronger. Extortion little easier on the back lol.

[@uwrossl]

Seems like the moveable weight on the 410 LST is just enough to keep Matt from overcooking a couple of those draws. That kind of dispersion at almost 350yds is ridiculously good and you can see the confidence in how he swings the 410 LST

[@parnopsiripornpak428]

Interesting. But I will stick with my 400LST for now. Love the crown on 400LST a lot more. Thanks for the great video guys.

[@TRcox85]

Great end to the series guys. I seriously thought there was no way G410 was going to win after Matt hit those first few with G400 320 in the air, but after the first few with G410 I knew the consistency would win out. Again, great work and I really enjoyed this whole series. Maybe next is a wedge bracket???

[@j.t.kelleheriv4214]

I got one a couple months ago....truly is very good

[@dabbs3]

Great vid as always. Watching Matt does help me a lot since I am a lefty. But my Ball flight goes the opposite way so I tend to swap the setting around that he uses. That is also why I picked flash it is more up right. Keep the great content coming guys.

[@zacharymilos392]

That dispersion is insane. Matt can't be human!

[@TTT-Turbo]

I have the epic flash and my mate is getting rid of his 410 LST so I'm going to try it tonight then get a fit on it so see what shafts fit me better. Never been a fan of those turbulators tho 🙄 so that's kinds putting me off a bit

[@Ryan-fx7jx]

Always an interesting sight to see how stable Ping have made their drivers over the past couple of years vs other manufacturers... I would love to see what actually makes them so stable

[@christophermatthews4896]

Ryan great call! I haven’t hit one but got to waggle it around. The weight definitely feels stable vs my Current driver. My guess would be how the weighted it had something to do with it. Would be nice to get a science video on that though I agree. Good comment

[@Foregrlz]

Congrats!

[@jamesquan8727]

Are you kidding me! I see the post and now I have to wait!!!!grrrrr

[@M40753]

Great video guys!! and great performance by Matt- is the fujikura 2.0 shaft better on G410 ? instead of the tensie 60TX?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Yup the Fuji has been the best partner for the 410 we've found (for me)

[@M40753]

@@clubchampionmedia - that's great Matt, I will have to try the G410 plus soon :) I still Have the M4 with tensie shaft CK white 60TX :)

[@papab3272]

I always love the content guys but to me you left a step out here. I really feel the addition to the test should have been using the same shaft in both heads.

[@clubchampionmedia]

We've done that off-camera Barry, the tensei white was optimized for the G400

[@MurphyGreg]

Well this has been a fun drive to share with you guys. Pun intended lol 😉

[@diontipene3740]

Excellent thanks for that. I’m gonna try the 410 been using the 400 but would like a 460 head.

[@NovaScene]

G410 LST is not 460cc

[@diontipene3740]

Oh really I will get the draw biased driver. Hopefully it’s bigger then my 400 that Should be a bit more forgiving

[@NovaScene]

@@diontipene3740 If you are looking for a draw driver, G410SFT is the one to schoose. That is also not 460cc but is one of the most forgiving drivers on the market.

[@diontipene3740]

Cool. I just thought it was bigger then the 400

[@MrBigTexFyre]

I guess it was the editing of the video, but it looked like the G400 was more consistent and much longer from what I saw.

[@whiskerrub]

Great video, really speaks to advantage behind getting properly fit, to me at least. To Matty remember it’s only money “ Buy It” do a giveaway of your old driver at 50k subs!

[@austinlauer1910]

I second this. I can use a little more low spin

[@jeremystafford8374]

A difficult decision for Matt I'm sure, made easier by the subtle changes in the new ping g410. Enjoy you new club , thanks for your efforts

[@dry664]

Great video again! When are you guys going to get MP20's in for testing?

[@clubchampionmedia]

As soon as we can get our hands on them!

[@dry664]

@@clubchampionmedia Give your mate Vosh a bell and tell him to sort it out!...really interested in the HMB. Looking forward to it. Great content keep it coming

[@robbiles]

Totally agree, 410 not for everyone. Recently got fit in to the M5, tried the 410 and a couple of others but the M5 gave me my better numbers.

[@nickjordan2465]

Very good video! Im in the market for a new driver and have always liked Ping. How come the drivers weren't tested with the same shaft? Do these heads not match up well with the same shafts or was it to make the weights comparable?

[@leftygolfer69]

It would be fun to se you guys do a on course vlog

[@antonvanniekerk9748]

Would it be possible for you guys to do a video with Matt hitting different golf balls in terms of cores with the same driver and irons (Driver, 5iron, 8iron). For instance a 1 core vs 2 core vs 3 core vs 5 core ball and the distance difference between the balls on Matt's swing speed. What I am seeing is a massive distance difference between a 2 core ball and say for instance a TP5x/Z-Star on clubs as low as my 8 iron.

[@lavrentievv]

Done it in a previous video

[@mkastl9677]

Does Ping offer lighter weights where you can split the weights 50/50 between neutral and draw or neutral and fade?

[@ConnorLyon]

M Kastl been wondering that myself. There’s weights on eBay you can get from China.... not sure how reliable they are but for less than $20 you can test the theory.

[@nathanroper4310]

New drinking game....drink every time Matt says “ Something like that”

[@dentonadam]

Very interesting! I actually tried out a G410lst with the Tensi Orange Stiff flex and noticed that it was actually a bit longer and much more consistent for me than my G400lst with a Kuro Kage Silver 60X. I feel confirmed now! Would get a random sloppy one even on a good feeling swing where the 410 Just was doing what I expected.

[@ermangus]

I broke down and hit the G410 LST vs the G400Max I was gaming. Ended up having a much better fit with the Tensei orange S flex and gained about 18 yards carry with about 800rpm less spin and better strike pattern. Put my i200 irons in for trade and owed $9.08 😀😀

[@SMUGAMER]

I don't understand why you guys tested the 410LST (Fuji) with a different shaft than the 400LST (Pro White)? If the point was to see if the 410 was worth the upgrade it seems you'd have to keep the shafts constant to isolate the head differences. Now, I have no idea if it was purely the Fuji shaft in the 410 that was a better fit for Matty versus any measurable difference in the heads. What say ye???

[@henrymonster9926]

SMUgamer Dallas As an enginerd this drives me nuts. I assume they may have done some testing off camera? Especially since the shafts are not balanced similarly, maybe a profile Matt reacts better to with his swing. That being said, I appreciate that they keep the sample size big enough but not so big that fatigue plays out towards the end. Might be why we don't see every combo of every head and shaft. A good follow up video may be a "true fitting" for the 410 to perfectly dial it in.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Shafts were optimized for each head, plenty of testing both on and off camera confirmed that decision. Gave both heads the best chance to perform at their best

[@seancook2264]

Great series! Are you going to do it for yourself now Ian!!?

[@quakecon2009]

Matty used to play the TPT shaft in his G400 LST. Not the Tensei White. But if the G410 LST is at least as good as the G400 LST and has the added bonus of adjustable weight and face angle change, then its a valid improvement over the G400 LST which has neither of these.

[@artislandbarbados7268]

Hi guys great video again. Wht are the specs on that 410 shaft. Looking to grab one like that. Thanks

[@clubchampionmedia]

Fujikura Tour Spec 2.0 6X

[@artislandbarbados7268]

Thank you. Where the best place to buy it retail? I play golf for Barbados and played college golf in FL and been very reluctant to switch drivers.... consistency in the 410 in the testing you did....after seeing the match up videos I loved. I'm sold on the 410 lst. I currently have the g30 lst wtih the propriety 70x tour shaft. Its decent but I'd like something more stable..I find I have to work too head to keep the flight down especially when I'm not swinging well. Any help is greatly appreciated. We dont have that great of testing facilities here for me to be fitted properly but I know my numbers.

[@javierbernal4885]

Can't wait to upgrade to the 410 i still have a 10.5 ping anser drvr with a stiff phenom shaft old but still a goody

[@brandonweber3178]

Hey Ian, what are the lengths & swing weights of Matt's G400 and G410 drivers? Also great video's you guys, love following both here and on Instagram!!!

[@CraigalFun]

Good choice

[@joelane2845]

Hi guys! Was the PXG Gen 2 0811x not involved in the Bracket Contest because of sub par performance or because it is not widely sold at retail? Thanks!!

[@shanoneva]

Maybe the shaft is the difference here. Seems like you are able to time it great with it and therefore you are hitting the center of the face more often. How about putting that shaft in the g400 lst?

[@CosmicApe]

Are any of the driver shafts Matt tests tipped at all, or are they all standard with no tipping?

[@mirwin9711]

Are low spin drivers better for golfers who have the tendency to strike low on the driver face? Thanks

[@CarnivoreDMD]

Also, may have to test your ball prior to testing clubs.

[@scottclements694]

HI Ian, Great video as always. I am definitely interested in the G410! Many times in your vides you have talked about how spin stabilizes ball flight. I have never been clear on why. Could you explain how backspin helps to stabilize ball flight (in the horizontal direction). I can understand how too little spin would cause the ball to "drop" out of the air more quickly. If the spin axis is identical for two strikes and one ball spins more than the other wouldn't one expect the ball with more spin to stay in the air longer and curve more due to an increase in the magnus effect (magnus effect is directly proportional to spin rate). What am I missing?

[@jayfangRSA]

Really good question, and with respect to genuine huge respect earned by Ian, who explained on another TXG video how "spin stabilizes flight" it was not convincingly done so for me. What I understand is actually happening is that a lower effective CG on a particular strike will cause BOTH more spin and a spin axis closer to zero as at the same time. Think of club tilting "upwards" at impact rather tilting than "left or right". Which is akin to the "effective (or dynamic) D-plane". Now D-plane is well understood more loft => straighter and more spin even with same delivery. What do you think?

[@scottclements694]

@@jayfangRSA Hi Jason. Thanks for the reply but I'm not sure I follow you. I believe a strike lower on the face, i.e. below the CG of the club should cause the head to twist downward and cause the spin on the ball to increase via the gear effect. The club head would get an upward tilt if you hit the ball higher on the face above the CG which in turn would reduce the spin on the ball.

[@jayfangRSA]

@@scottclements694 sure, I'm not certain on this. Now the gear effect is intended to affect spin so an extra variable. What I was referring to was same strike with different club. Another view is that a high strike has low spin (due to gear effect) but trends to fly straight (spin axis close to zero) because of the dynamic D-plane effect I suggest. Remember I'm definitively not saying spin means straight!

[@tomgregory6275]

Matt, do you think the 455 cc volume of the G 410 makes a big difference?

[@jaygee3667]

The shafts were different. Not fair for g400. Does the adjustable weight help to find the sweet spot that much?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Yes it was fair, the tensei white was fit and optimized for that head. Not fair would be putting the Fuji in there which it was not the top performer with

[@jaygee3667]

Thanks for the response guys!! Another question for you, there’s this guy out there @alexorkagolf saying his brand orka can go head to head with the top brands. He’s going out and making bold statements concerning Taylormade and other brands. He guarantees his clubs will fly farther without cranking up the lofts like most modern irons. Have you heard about his equipment? I would love to see you guys put him to test.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Have seen a video or two pop up on youtube from other channels, we're always willing to test product that's sent our way!

[@j.a.y6802]

Try 10 yr old clubs for the next driver bracket challenge

[@ronaldstark8342]

If my stats were this close, I would use the $550 to play Pebble or something vs the new club. I understand that you guys may get a discount and can write off equipment on taxes. I would buy a new driver 3-5 years later to let the incremental changes pile up. Just too much to spend for a mile or so of additional ball speed. But, I guess it makes sense if you are in the business or have $$.

[@MrAhuraMazda]

*resell value bro

[@CleanseforYourLife]

don't forget that he now has a very good condition used Ping G400 LST that he can sell for good money so in reality the upgrade isn't breaking the bank. This method has worked for me over the years rather than keeping a driver for 5 years only for it to then be almost worthless. Spend $100 - $200 per year and keep up with the current model can work well for some of us.

[@MrAhuraMazda]

@@CleanseforYourLife yep. 100%

[@kevinsheridan2430]

What is the technology improvement between the two ?

[@bigjuzzo8680]

Good stuff boys. No brainer given the results. Can it be tweaked even more? Let's see

[@clubchampionmedia]

Probably!

[@lavrentievv]

The only difference seems higher spin. What if you add 0.5degrees of loft to g400? Will they have the same flight?

[@alfredtu2]

when does the G410 LST come out for the public??

[@ianfrasergolf]

Alfred Tu available now!!

[@dexterong1664]

Can you swap the shafts around and carry out the test again? Reason, is G410LST is really straighter than G400LST?

[@TZOID08]

How does the sole of your G 400 look so pristine ? Both my driver and 3 wood pick up marks from the tees that are a bitch to get off.

[@clubchampionmedia]

Cracked the face on one in the spring, so the (replacement) head is actually not all that old!

[@steinfonell4915]

And when it was to start I had a delivery.... hahaha

[@vincentrancourt9965]

Should we all go for ping 410 or fitting session?

[@jamesjohnson6816]

Bombs! Droppin Bombs!

[@rezatavana2141]

Is Matt getting employee discount :)

[@oldgold5848]

Ultimate driver bracket for Ian next.......?!

[@billglab9044]

Bring in the i20!!!

[@ryanconklin1440]

BOMBS

[@brianagee3079]

Fantastic content as usual. Matty gets straighter with a 321 cover...impressive. I just put this driver in play with a Tensei Orange 60x, straightest driver I've ever gamed.

[@bobbykrechuniak8875]

Matty hitting bombs and attacking pins out here

[@wrightman1185]

I need less spin on my g410 lst. I tried lowering and dont feel comfortable going lower than 9 degrees. If i add lead tape where would i place the tape. I am spinning around 3000.

[@adrian_sanchez]

400 just went up there with your long drive challenge 😲

[@austinlauer1910]

How is Ping going to improve upon this for Matty next release?

[@eleson00]

Keep the head and swap the shaft?

[@chadez4060]

how do you fit someone who plays both a fade and a draw?

[@clubchampionmedia]

We look to make a club fairly neutral, as in not biased towards a fade or a draw allowing the player to shape it both ways easily

[@chadez4060]

@@clubchampionmedia is it possible to increase spin in the draw and decrease spin in the fade simultaneously through fitting in order to maximize distances for both?

[@willo283]

Whats Matts club head speed?

[@clubchampionmedia]

about 125mph (GC Quad) during this session

[@johnshuff953]

Why not use the same shaft as the current gamer?

[@OllieW501]

Someone needs to show this guy how to hit a driver... ;-)

[@painless4785]

Spoiler? Title and description? hello! :P

[@steinfonell4915]

Yeah - I had only 35 min wait.

[@VERTICALWisdom]

For us mere mortals with lower swing speeds and damn old. Can we benefit with this driver?

[@clubchampionmedia]

Depends if you need spin reduction, if not the G410 Plus model offers a bit more spin and even more forgiveness

[@gregoryedwards8781]

Sweet Jacko glove

[@kalemitchell1979]

He spun the g410 plus less. More forgiveness and hit it just as far

[@clubchampionmedia]

Different swing characteristics, speed, etc. Swing has changed since the Plus model was tested.

[@kalemitchell1979]

You should test them head to head. Post the results. I have the plus and swing the driver 120mph. Would be interested in the differences.

[@kw12784]

I have to ask: when you guys say about opening the face 1 or 2 degrees on the G410, how do you achieve that? Looking at the manual, it doesn't seem to allow for that whilst keeping the same loft. (Also delighted G410 won! I have won myself, although mine is the plus version)

[@clubchampionmedia]

can't open face without adjusting loft, the loft goes down as the face opens

[@aaronmccardie8795]

I wished I could get my driver spin down to 2500 to 2200 am at 3000 to 3200.🥺

[@bmathis26]

Never considered ping because I feel it’s the Volvo of gear. Great engineering but lacking in the looks department. But a Volvo with the right engine (Matt) top end transmission (Fujikura shaft) smokes a stock Porsche. Was leaning towards m5 for the performance and looks but now I’m holding off and testing the LST before I pull the trigger. Next up the best putter bracket!

[@Wesquire]

Only difference was strike

[@raginrasta9667]

The title spoiled enough lol

[@clubchampionmedia]

So true 😆

[@tyga00000]

Too bad he can't test 410LST against a Triple Diamond