Pinsir vs Scyther - Pokemon Yellow

Rules:
1. Only my starter in battle
2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
Rule details:
-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
-- Surge's trash-can-puzzle is automatically solved
-- The bike is allowed in gen1, banned in gen2, and allowed for bypassing terrain in gen3
-- Saving between league members is allowed
-- If the solo Pokemon faints and I choose to blackout it counts towards my reset counter
-- I can pause the game and timer to take breaks
-- The footage is sped up / slowed down to match the pace of my narration
-- The ability Pickup can only be used if the starter has it
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[@redoublement4607]

Surge can’t be a major battle, he’s only a lieutenant.

[@terminalcreature1560]

His pay grade dispute is his own Private matter

[@HorrormanNick]

Hey man, he could have always commissioned from the ranks 😏

[@nickkgoa9748]

ive seen mash its a corporal matter@@terminalcreature1560

[@Sithplayer]

Go to jail for that General dad joke

[@redoublement4607]

@@Sithplayer lmao sorry, i couldn’t resist

[@realperson69]

32:06 “42% chance to 3-hit” Looks at Starmie’s HP of 59. Looks at Pinsir’s level of 21. Looks at Seismic Toss. 🤔🤣

[@wiseguise5960]

I didn't quite understand this comment at first, but then I got it lol. Yea Idk why he didn't just use ST for the guaranteed 3 hit? Unless he was hoping for a crit to make it a 2 hit?

[@TheFajczak]

​@@wiseguise5960guess that crit chance is implemented in this calculation, so ST is the way to go

[@IceManD3]

@@wiseguise5960i don’t get it please explain

[@wiseguise5960]

@@IceManD3 Scott was relying on Vicegrip to 3 hit the Starmie at only a 42% chance, When he could've just used seismic toss to make it a clear 100% 3 hit since its fixed damage.

[@Aevalii]

@@IceManD3 Seismic Toss does damage equal to your level. Pinsir is level 21 there, which means a hit of Seismic Toss will do 21. 3 of those is guaranteed to do more than 59, which is Starmie's health, so he just had a guaranteed way to get a kill in 3 hits there and he didn't have to risk it with Vice Grip having a high chance of not doing enough.

[@perkypenguin1663]

I love that Scyther gets a 70 power move that always crits at level 29, but for a 35 power move of its type, it has to wait till level 50. Gen 1 is truly amazing.

[@hectorhugo8986]

Generation 1 is the worst generation.

[@InfernosReaper]

​@@hectorhugo8986 I wouldn't say the worse cause it gets some slack for being the first, but it's definitely not great

[@peternicholas3719]

I think the fact that slash autocrits when used by the poke with the blade arms is so cool! The flavor!

[@cdajah6920]

@@hectorhugo8986gen 1 is great because of it’s flaws. Gen 2 is awful on purpose. Bad pacing. Bad elite 4. Bad Kanto when you go back. Oh ya, bad pacing did I mention that?

[@bulbaa2241]

​@@cdajah6920by being an actual game gen 1 is definitely worse because of all of its glitches, while yeah gen 2 has the worst pacing and well mostly everything of any gen (the remake at least made it slightly better except for the wild pokemon having some of if not the lowest levels for any pokemon game)

[@paleoscinkus542]

I feel like Guillotine should be a bug type move, it’s Japanese translating is “Pincer Guillotine”. It wouldn’t be STAB, but at least it would hit Ghosts.

[@marcoasturias8520]

Slow ghosts... Which is unfortunate

[@YOSHIERIDER]

Nah. All of the OHKO moves should have at least one type immune to it. Make it ghost-type. Guillotines have a morbid history in real life.

[@MOORE4U2]

​@@YOSHIERIDERSheer Cold?

[@Abomdosnow]

@@MOORE4U2 Ice-types

[@MOORE4U2]

@@Abomdosnow Why not just say bug-types are immune to a Bug-type Guillotine, then?

[@rooislangwtf]

1:40:34 I'm not 100%, but I'm pretty sure in gen 1 repels just use the level of the first member in your party, it doesn't check whether or not it's fainted (also I think it's fine to use hm mons to travel after the lead has fainted due to poison since you're already using them for traversal)

[@madddd1]

The Surge fight on Scyther was so funny. Transition, crit, end. Such a comedic timing

[@highnos4735]

While i respect your personal decision on double team it is important to at least aknowledge that the move being available for scyther may very well be a balancing issue that is part of the reason for the difference in bst.

[@JaredTVW]

I kind of feel that way too. Plus the excuse of saying every Pokémon can learn it when almost all these challenges utilize either Swords Dance or Mimic at the end to cheese a victory. I get that maybe these moves only get utilized as a strategy for endgame, but maybe double team would have aided in this frail Pokémon’s speedrun.

[@tsawy6]

​@JaredTVW what, only like, 20% tops mons learn swords dance. It's also much much less op than double team, which gives evasion / and/ badge boosts

[@MelodicTurtleMetal]

Yeah, but who wants to watch a run where he sets up double team 6 times at the start of every battle? Too OP since it triggers badge boost too

[@sarkseymsf6385]

My issue with the double team rules is allowing it to be mimicked to specifically aide certain types of Pokemon. That’s artificially aiding them in the tier list, a luxury that isn’t afforded to pokemon that struggle at other parts of the run.

[@JaredTVW]

@@MelodicTurtleMetal but let’s watch videos that setup amnesia or swords dance. It’s the same concept in theory, with the same benefits, using a move that is badge boosted to make your mon OP. Just saying.

[@Kris2005isMine]

I feel like Scyther WILL actually perform better due to the increased crit rate. Scyther and Pinsir will likely get walled at the same spots, and the higher speed means it will take less RNG to brute force those fights. Edit: Apparently, objective reality does not reflect my subject belief.

[@DarkMario9000]

This is a rivalry that will be fun to see over the generations, at Gen 2 Scyther finally gets access to some coverage moves as well as HP Bug and Fury Cutter, by Gen 3 he also gets access to Aerial Ace and in Gen 4 he completely overtakes Pinsir with Technician boosted Aerial Ace and Bug Bite.

[@joshuad1925]

I predict pinsir will win. Mainly because of moveset. Since Scyther doesn’t get wing attack till level 50, I think it will be stuck at Pokémon tower and will be held back at Agatha. I think Pinsir’s moveset, specifically access to seismic toss , will be the reason it wins.

[@SaintoftheHonest]

You're forgetting Mimic for Agatha and Bide for Tower. Don't get me wrong, I agree with you, but Scyther isn't stonewalled by Ghosts as you seem to think.

[@tehy123]

Bide is basically stonewalling tbh

[@InfernosReaper]

@@SaintoftheHonest bide is barely a comfort

[@petrie911]

The funniest thing about Focus Energy here is that it's intended to increase your chance to randomly deal more damage, and that's exactly what it's doing. *How* it's doing that definitely isn't what was intended, but it turns out if you have enough jank it sometimes cancels out. Also a couple of mechanics notes: 10:00 The lowest effective crit bonus you'll be seeing is 50%, not 20%. The only level with a lower bonus than 50% is level 3 at 33%, but you start above that. As an aside, for those interested, crits double your level in the damage calculation in gen 1, instead of having a flat multiplier as in later generations. 15:00 All status moves ignore type chart effectiveness in all generations, with the notable exception of Thunder Wave (and Glare in gens 2 and 3 only). It's unclear why Thunder Wave has this sole exception. Even when the devs eventually added more electric-type status moves, they work fine on ground types.

[@Orrphoiz]

Scyther's back sprite looks like a severely underweight Tyranitar holding a Banana. Cannot unsee cc:< Also, fittingly: Double bug love! cc:

[@BubbaJoeSwag]

First platinum video absolutely has to be palkia vs dialga. That would do numbers

[@theSato]

Good matchup! And oh man, this is one of those videos that more-than-surpasses my coveted 1 hour mark. I'll be sleeping good for the next few days as I get through this video. Thanks!

[@LPMGSAS]

I adore your videos, after I started watching you and your approch to speedrunning these solo challanges I cant go back to other creators (no shade, they have their own flaire) Thank you very muuch for your dedication and im very much looking forward to the redo of the starters!

[@Austin007]

YESSSSSS those results are outstandingly good! It's so satisfying to see Pinsir and Scyther reach those times! Awesome job, Scott! Also, it's very fitting for a Halloween release that the hardest part of Scyther's run ended up being the ghosts in Pokemon Tower.

[@MrSlippy68]

I've been watching your channel for years now but haven't commented before. Just want to say that I love your content. Also, I think it's really cool that you highlighted stellar runs from your community. Good work

[@Sh4rkQueen]

Thank you for the video and all your hard work Scott. I watch all your videos and have for years! Love your content :) (I'm totally just leaving this to boost your algorithm and analytics)

[@highnos4735]

Hard work? lol its what he loves.

[@ricksdarkness3257]

​@@highnos4735yeah but doing lots of playthroughs consecutively with some awful pokemon attempting for the best time possible while trying not to rely on luck is actually hard work.

[@wesleynewcomb]

What's interesting is that Pinsir's counterpart changed from Gen 1 to Gen 2. He's paired with Scyther in Gen 1, but from Gen 2 onward, he's paired with Heracross. Same BST. Same growth rate. Version-exclusive mega evolutions. It makes me wonder if Heracross was planned/designed for Gen 1 but was scrapped at some point.

[@AleMazza100]

There was a Pinsir evolution in one of the Betas, that probably became Heracross...

[@ricksdarkness3257]

​@@AleMazza100yes, that was the case. There's even a sprite of Pinsir's evolution, and it really resembles Heracross' design

[@aarongeorge8175]

@@AleMazza100 Except it and Heracross existed side by side on the roster for about five months. Both were being worked on at the same time. It's weird, Pinsir's evo and Heracross are very similar, but it's more likely that Scizor, Heracross, and Plux were supposed to be a bug trio for awhile.

[@VillainousWarlord]

Scyther vs Lavender Town is one of the most hilarious things I've seen in these challenges, that alone made it worth it and made this far more memorable than most of these videos.

[@JaharNarishma]

I like how this video did a recap of things known to your regular viewers. It helps new viewers feel included.

[@Dan-qu1vv]

I'm cracking up that a nearly 2 hour video exists about making this decision for pokemon yellow. I respect the dedication!

[@RustedKing]

This video was great! I bet in Crystal it'll be a bit more interesting with the wider move variety, it could even include heracross

[@joshuafann6025]

Nice work on this video. Pinsir is my favorite pokemon. It's good to see it did well.

[@SpaceLombax]

I love the dark lord just popping up in the corner. Was not expecting that.

[@kode-man23]

It's interesting that the B tier has a bit of a crater. I guess that there are still quite a few second stage Pokemon that are yet to be played. Also, once again just a top tier versus video. These really do feel like events when they come out.

[@hYRo144]

Man I love these VS Videos I know they are a lot of work but they are damn good

[@ZerglingOne1]

I think I have cracked the original design intent. Caterpie -> Metapod -> Scyther. These 3 pokemon share several design aspects including color and the general shape of metapod/scyther. Weedle -> Kakuna -> Pinsir. Weedle has a spike on top of its head like Pinsir has 2 on its head and Kakuna shares many similarities to Pinsir as well. It is my belief in this particular case that Weedle and Kakuna would not have had poison moves or typing. Venonat -> Butterfree. This is obvious due to previous mention of their clear design similarities. Then what about Beedrill and Venomoth? Aha! Easy! They were Safari Zone pokémon! Being the 2 poison/bug types! They don't need earlier evos. One is physical, the other special. Of course, maybe not, but it's a fun thought.

[@red-eyessolares1817]

Nice to see the dedication to both Scyther and Pinsir.

[@IGamebreadI]

I havent finished the video yet, but i just gotta say.. the thumbnail is SICK. Looks like they're about to beat the crap outta each other, the artist did amazing work!

[@notmyrealnameify]

I don't mind your dt rules but I do think it hurts scyther quite a lot. Would be nice if they got some descent attacks but as is for many others they dont.

[@dragonslayerz2220]

I think they're fine, but should be expanded to "Evasion moves cannot permanently be placed on a pokemon's moveset until level 100.

[@MelodicTurtleMetal]

I love a good redo - good way to see how far you've come. Hopefully we'll see a redo of our dark lord and the heathen fossil

[@corberus3119]

nope, once you beat giovani the rockets leave the city allowing you access to the copycats house. you get mimic in return for giving her a pokedoll

[@MelodicTurtleMetal]

@@corberus3119 sorry, changed my comment before i saw you reply. Good to know though. For some reason i thought mimic and psychic were both obtainable prior to finishing silph

[@Chronoflation]

Looking forward to the backport follow-up Scizor vs Kleavor

[@ilovegarradors]

OMG, while watching this, I just realized the menu sprite for bug type Pokémon is a top-down view. I have for years since I first started playing Pokémon as a 6 year 9ld (I'm 31 now) thought it was a weird fish face with little lines or fins sticking out of its head. It makes so much more sense now.

[@monopolyrubix1875]

These are always your best work.

[@spode2917]

I like how you say arcanine. I also like your content. Keep up the good work!

[@mesplin3]

I predict that [change later] will win.

[@A_levs]

Scyther W honestly getting so close to porygon which is such a highly optimized time is pretty awesome.

[@A_levs]

Btw I posted this after watching, this isn’t a prediction lol

[@nintai6656]

I’m sorry my favorite Pokémon gave you so much trouble but I appreciate the due diligence. Scyther is awesome for the same reason the dome fossil is the factually correct choice, swords are objectively cooler than tentacles. Lol

[@griifster99]

Scyther’s gen 1 backsprite is hilarious, his mouth is so messed up and it looks like he’s holding up a pair of bananas

[@corberus3119]

there is a drawfee video where they make art for him as a dino with a banana

[@PrincessGoth574]

Ive become increasingly more fond of pinsir recently, for me the first bug type that comes to mind. Although ledyba and buemy/wormadam are my favourites

[@ggw1776]

The new double team ban for those who get it by level-up has been really confusing to me. Honestly, if you're worried about strategies getting stale, you should consider banning the mimic TM. It fixes way too many problems for too many pokes in the E4. I'm not suggesting you actually do this, but mimic is way more consistent than needing to boost to +6 evasion to sweep. I could probably make the same argument for Rest as a TM too.

[@thaefner92]

Agreed. If that's the reason, all TMs that are accessible for (almost) every mon should be banned then, including and especially Mimic/Substitute in gen 1 and Return/Curse/Rest in gen 2.

[@iantaakalla8180]

I will assume he wants a balance between complete winning at any costs and winning using the strengths of the Pokémon since the point is speed. However, he is most concerned about speed and not about using the unique traits to win, thus he resort to Mimic here and Rest/Sleep Talk/Curse against Red. So unfortunately, “using the strengths of the Pokémon” is not a strategy he will ever do.

[@JimBeamFiend53]

Who else can picture scott in a nursing home still playing pokemon yellow on an emulator?

[@MayVeryWellBeep]

oh we're eating this weekend

[@padamoce7642]

Oh no, i do not think i am ready for this series to end, i know you do the other gens but gen I just hits different

[@chaosvolt]

And this is why I feel like, were I to make a 1st-gen ROMhack, I'd make Vice Grip, Cut, and maybe Fury Attack count as bug-type moves...Smith if I recall famously did that with Cut for his Crystal ROMhack but dunno about the other moves, it just seems fitting for STAB compatibility given these two pokemon.

[@MSTavares]

The name I gave to the Slowpoke Cubone Maniac, on the 21st of May, in the Pidgeotto video, actually became a thing nice.

[@sael91]

I'm expecting a Pinsir win because of its moveset, but Scyther is my favourite gen 1 Pokémon (thanks almost eniterely to Tracey's old scyther in the anime) so I'm hoping Scott can at least make it competitive.

[@J3susP3r3z]

I enjoy your Pkm Yellow videos so much, and I find versus category very interesting. What about Golem versus Rhydon???

[@nickflesher7608]

This guy is like Jrose, except when he gets to the end, he does it all over again!

[@wusstunes]

the gen 1 runs just have so much extra sauce. of course focus energy doesnt work, but it not working is beneficial due to the way badge boosts stack and crits disregard stat changes. there are just so many interlocking systems that, intentionally or otherwise, create utility for even moves that do the opposite of what they are supposed to do. you love to see it.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

100% agree. Love these games.

[@katzouille]

Man, gen 1 broken quirks did so dirty to my boy... Can't wait to see him on next gens

[@rooislangwtf]

52:00 Scott: pronounces Arcanine correctly Also Scott: fight me >:(

[@rooislangwtf]

At least correct if go by the Pokédex 3D Pro

[@andreapareti324]

8:08 Pinsir using Vice Grip on that Metapod in Viridian Forest made me think of that one episode of the anime where Ash imagined his Metapod breaking in half under the Vice Grip of that one samurai trainer's Pinsir.

[@blockchords5197]

Lance's Aerodactyl in your intro is mimicking Pinsir's cry

[@bateltheassistant]

Pinsir and Scyther have one of the coolest designs in gen 1, and it really shows in in your thumbnail 😊. I really like your thumbnails in general but this one was the coolest. I was hoping that Scyther would better,even though I knew that using bide so unreliable and it wastes too much time even if you do have the right rng. In that specific case using the hp up was kind of usful in a sense,even though I think that maybe iron could do that as well too, because ghost is physical on gen 1.🤔 Using bide was, I bet, really frustrating because you can't really plan around that. But I'm glad that overall Scyther was getting some great results.😊 Pinsir on the onter hand is really good even with submission,which was kind of surprising. Maybe submission is not that bad after all🤔,in some cases.

[@myggmastaren3365]

unfortunately the premier broadcoast was 100% broken for me, but at least I can start watching it now

[@lechugator9]

Yeah, Kronaast and I both know very well the pain that is doing the Lavender Tower with just bide

[@thebigbean8783]

I cannot wait for this video. These have been 2 of my all-time favorites for over 20 years now. Now they're gonna be duking it out!!! I think pinsir will take it, but scyther's speed is not to be underestimated. Oooooo!!!! This is gonna be good!!

[@ExperimenturalVideos]

Expecting a pinsir win in this setup even in scyther is a fave

[@murruelaflaga]

That trek up Lavender Tower was brute for Scyther. I tried this run myself and died a number of times there, so frustrating.

[@lamiaprincess6371]

I definitely think Double-Edge could have been kept for longer to maybe reduce the amount of time setting up. Does a +6 Double Edge KO the Aerodactyl? I know its a recoil move and those are risky, but it does sometimes feel like a blind spot when it comes to solo runs. Especially for Scyther, where it does 66% more damage than Swift does. This was a really fun video though, and I think both times are still quite good. Scyther does definitely seem uniquely awful to run though.

[@reshawshid]

I remember a while back, someone who does these challenges saying that Focus Energy had no use, even knowing what you've described about how it bypasses positive changes. I feel so justified now that you've said it, that it can be used to prevent critical hits that would bypass stat changes. Also I love how you're calling some trainers "minor trainers" because they most certainly look like minors.

[@Colin1Moriarty]

Ok lets go for predication time. Im surprised to hear you say pinsir is going go be better because i think its slow growth rate will really slow it down early game. I think scyther will take the victory cause hes mah boi! Just that growth rate alone and getting swords dance quicker has got to be so advantageous Edit: oh no Agatha junior really ruined my estimations as well as others lol RNG for that was insane my jaw dropped! It's ok I still love my green bug flying boi haha

[@Camurgladius]

It'd be kind of fun if Oak's Tauros had a set of, say, Body Slam, Earthquake, possibly Hyper Beam, and then one/two of Blizzard/Thunderbolt/Earthquake/Fire Blast, depending on which starter that Oak's team is based around?

[@androidboyd]

Ooh, boy, if you didn't like Scyther in Pokemon Tower, you'll be thrilled to attempt Eevee...

[@elanrouge7366]

In case you don't know and if useful there is a hidden antidote behind the sole tree at the entrance of Viridian forest ^^

[@fakhruddinnalawala5451]

Scyther vs Sciscor, when? (No joke, they have the same base stat total lol - also, I understand it can't be soon, since your schedule is maxed out)

[@888Grim]

Excellent video as always

[@NativeGolfer10]

The outcome was definitely shocking to me but the Gastly line was just straight up devious. Lol Eevee is going to be real interesting in Pokémon Tower. 😈

[@prebuilttarget7191]

Scott there is one question I've had how much time do the bage boost actually give like how much slower is it with our them or how much faster would it be with all of them at the beginning

[@bigkirbyhj666]

My guess os Scyther because of exp growth rate, health, high crit rate and something that can hit ghost types. Also swift exists for sand attack

[@Soulslave48]

15:46 Kabutops peeking in the top right. I was confused at first, then I realized you were fighting Jessie and James, right after picking the Dome fossil.

[@rtyuik7]

oh wow, i never thought about using Focus Energy, on purpose...and now the programming typo can actually make more sense-- if youve 'focused your energy' on Setup Moves and Badge Boosts, then a Lowered Crit Chance would synergize well with the buffed stats...

[@mickgorro]

Am I imagining things or did you already do videos with these two, or maybe a versus? [1:12:24 you mentioned it!]

[@johncalabro8710]

Hey Scott can you do a run of yellow with X-Scissor and/or bug bite? At the very least caterpie could be playable with this move

[@NomicFin]

I don't see an issue with being able to mimic Double Team. The issue with allowing Double Team is that it turns the optimal strategy of any challenging fight into "click DT 6 times and win", but if you can only mimic it that limits it to the fights where an opponent has a pokemon with Double Team that you can mimic it from.

[@noukan42]

That is far from an optimal strategy in most scenarios. 6 turn of setup for no damage increase? That is kinda terrible in speedruns. Unless you are that channel that does 0 DV minimum battle there is almost always going to be a faster way. Hell, considering you will occassiojaly die in setup and have to reset, it is likely slower than fighting extra trainers overall

[@skeetermania3202]

@@noukan42You’re forgetting the badge boost glitch.

[@filafomossa]

Pinsir is my favourite Pokémon, so this was a very good outcome for me, I wish Pinsir got some more hype by the community

[@heathenly_aesthetic7233]

Wow, how these games have aged! Like, I've been playing since Yellow, and I kinda have a soft spot for how derpy the og Pokémon sprites look 🤭 Its endearing

[@najxoslamp2963]

I was thinking for a fun side series, is doing lower tier Pokemon with a hidden power injection.

[@AmnesiaPsyduck]

Looking forward to see if Scythers crit rate will be a blessing or a curse.

[@MayVeryWellBeep]

predicting curse! this is a swords dance mon!

[@skeetermania3202]

Maybe he’ll use Focus Energy?

[@MayVeryWellBeep]

@@skeetermania3202 something tells me there won't be room on the moveset, plus it means one more turn of getting hit, but I would LOVE to see a Strat like that

[@needude7218]

Would you even consider doing a video on a Pokemon that received a stat buff in later generations? How that pokemon performed in yellow compared to how it would perform with its updated stats A fair few pokemon received +10 Atk or Speed that could be fairly noticeable in a playthrough

[@SmashMath151]

Scyther is a good Pokemon with a very unfortunate moveset for this kind of challenge. I was honestly hoping the Focus Energy strat would work better because I like the idea of using 2 broken Gen 1 mechanics in synergy! wonder how much time you could save by letting Struggle hit Ghosts like in later gens, but that's definitely against the spirit of the challenge. Pinisir was quite consistent, though having to level up in a few places hurt its chances at an even better time.

[@snarflaxus2665]

Unfortunately in gen one struggle doesn't hit ghosts :(

[@JJ-qo7th]

Predicting Pinsir based on its performance the last time they went head to head.

[@andreapareti324]

I was wondering "Is this the longer you've held onto Bide?" and didn't think much of it other than "Well, Scyther does have a barren movepool", but then you got to Pokémon Tower and... yeah.

[@timeducktorkie]

It looks like there's a brief visual glitch with Executor's stats starting at around 1:05:23, right as it's getting sent out. It suddenly displays with 74 ATK, 67 DEF, 173 SPC, and 156 SPE.

[@MrVelyx]

"There are many different Type of Mantis, non of which have laser beams" -Ze Frank True Facts about the Mantis

[@kangaskdan]

Love these two!

[@ptiscool3334]

I enjoy that there’s a discord group who all want the best times

[@DrivenArc]

The downright limited moveset of Scyther was always going to hold it back. However, as a pokemon to grab without TM investment, it's not the worst. Naturally gaining Swords Dance is actually kind of rare. not that it helps it all that much this generation, but it does mean I'd rather some sort of gifted Scyther modded in most of the time.

[@Shenron67]

A suggestion for once you're done with the tierlist: do all of them again starting with the slowest (who completed the game) to try to improve once again

[@dragonknight1560]

It's been a long time coming... and very underrated how bad bugs are. Gen 2 will likely be no different... SOMEWHAT?

[@manemanen]

Of course u need to beat the chandlers but whats the earliest time u can get hyper beam i know u check damage threshold etc for second playtroughs when is money thresholds for hyper beam etc viable and is substitute and bide helpful does bide accumalate damage when the substitute takes damage?

[@PapaSmurfJuju]

The Two best Generation 1 Bug types!! Much appreciated Scott.

[@albabimam1114]

Idk Venomoth as the Bug/Ghost type is probably better

[@VillainousWarlord]

Seeing Pinsir mimic Lick of all moves was not something I thought of or expected. Seismic Toss ended up being better, but seeing gen 1 movepools be so horrible that Lick is a legitimately decent option is utterly hystertical.

[@tacourf1]

Just out of curiosity, would it have been possible to get mimic before the pokemon tower? I haven't played the game in ages so if it isnt possible then thats my bad. But if Scyther is level 36 at the time of reacjing the tower, Giovanni and Rival 5val wouldnt be a problem with sword dance set up right? So you could get mimic then copy lick and have 0 issues, wouldnt even need rest

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I wish!!! That would improve Scythers run so much! You have to finish Silph to get Mimic and you can only enter silph once you finish the tower.

[@HideoV]

What if the focus energy bug was a patch to the badge boost glitch and you are using it as intended?

[@gambleralex5083]

My prediction is Scyther wins just because of wing attack for ghost types after swords dance it will do more than seismic toss. Crits may hinder that though for poor scyther. The mimic of lick saved pinsir and that is awesome

[@skeetermania3202]

Wing Attack is at level 50, so he’ll have to use Bide for Pokémon Tower or massively over level.

[@gambleralex5083]

​@@skeetermania3202true I was more thinking of Agatha

[@yaboityler2617]

Imagine taking your mon back to the center after its been litetally guillotined

[@kayoh9364]

Dumb idea: Have the rival's image hold something to represent which version of his battle you're facing. The pokedex for the lab battle, a model bridge for rival 2, a model boat for rival 3, Raticate's gravestone for rival 4, the Silph Scope for rival 5, etc.