Victreebel vs. Vileplume - Pokemon Yellow

[@Mikeo1384]

Nothing makes me happier than when Scott says “After these second play-throughs I still wasn’t satisfied with my results so…” Keep up the incredible passion!

[@Seth_Hezekiah]

Idk, I do enjoy that he put more work into it, but frankly, I'd rather you just show us the best run and not waste our time with the earlier runs except for the highlights of what you learned.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m glad this makes people happy! I’m always worried that this is the moment when everyone clicks off the video. (Turns out analytics tell me it’s the best portion for viewer retention.) I’m always happy to play the game a couple more times with Pokémon that aren’t Seel.

[@riccardomosena4162]

@@Seth_Hezekiah it's true that videos gets longer like that, but it's also very nice watching the improvements with trial and error

[@samthewonderkid]

@@Seth_Hezekiah I feel like it's nice to have the option to either skip to the final run, or watch it all🙂 to each their own

[@AdminAbuse]

@@samthewonderkid if there were chapters or timestamps, sure. But that is not the case

[@skeetermania3202]

SPOILERS!! Something also worth noting is that all of the S-tiers are in the same EXP Group (Medium Slow, which is actually faster than Fast in part of the early-game, and the Fast growth rate Pokémon have bad Brock splits). Maybe that contributed more than the Poison typing. After all, the amount of opponents in Yellow that just derp in front of Poison types is far fewer than in Red/Blue.

[@InfernosReaper]

Yeah, the early game has the most bog-down points(Brock, Rival 2/Misty), so that better XP progression is great for getting over that hump. By the time that's over, the game's opened up and the player can pick the best route for a particular mon, so reduced or exhausted EXP benefits don't matter anymore. Kinda reminds me of an article by one of the D&D 3rd Developers where he talks about how different XP progression charts are a poor point of balance, because most of a game is at the lower levels and a character needed a few more encounters to level up isn't really keep them from dominating until the cap unless the gap is so high they're basically useless. Moreover, once that cap is hit, the power gap doesn't go away. Thus, balance needs to be attained within the entity designs themselves.

[@TheDarkFiddler]

Makes me wonder how things would change if you gave top-tier Pokémon a worse EXP curve or low-tier Pokémon a better curve 🤔

[@InfernosReaper]

@@TheDarkFiddler most of the ones that are *supposed* to be high tier already do, but if you mean the ones that actually ended up high tier on these challenges... that could be interesting for a video or 2, but i suspect a pattern will start emerging pretty quickly.

[@TheDarkFiddler]

@InfernosReaper oh definitely thinking just a one-off video for the point of demonstrating how much it can matter. It would get REAL tedious to add it in for every Pokémon, and Scott has enough work already

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yes! Medium-Slow is very good.

[@jordiegarcia8413]

Dude you're layouts are on a whole other level, the gameplay and commentary are always on point but for me its the layout having all the info you could possibly want accesible all throughout the video is honestly amazing

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m glad the layout really matters. I spend so much time working on it.

[@leftysheppey]

I've said this before. The layout is god tier. All the information you could ever want in a very concise way. It's not too busy and it's very intuitive. It's great

[@adamsik1985]

Everyone deserves credit for there work but copying and pasting isn't that hard regardless still a good video

[@leftysheppey]

@adamsik the right hand side is copy/pasted, the left hand side is all coded to read data from the game

[@libraryscholaralexis6581]

I actually really like Victreebel. I have one in a Soul Silver Nuzlocke. His name is Mandrake and he was a big help in a the early points of the game. He's still alive, I just replaced him with a Tangrowth that I caught named Tania. If something happens to her then Mandrake is coming back as my grass type pokemon. Love getting to see Victreebel doing well. Vileplume is nice too since the two of them are great in their own ways. Please keep up the good work and great videos.

[@popcorngenerator1925]

Victreebel has been one of my favourite Pokémon since the beginning. Along with kabutops, they are my top 1 and 2. Can’t wait to see how this goes!

[@ahaak3382]

I love Kabutops and Victreebel too! Not my top favorites, but definetly some of my absolute favs of gen 1!

[@Chomta]

ALAKZAM

[@shimauta1941]

Holy cow, their times are incredible in all of the featured runs. It's great to see the S tier growing. Edit: Victreebel dethroning Gengar is the cherry on top of this incredible sundae of a video.

[@megatennepster3833]

It's a breath after vitcreebel fell out of ou

[@joshsimpson1283]

How many sub 40 Pokemon before you need to add a s+ tier or something

[@DarkfoolDave]

Victreebel was and remains my favorite grass type to this day! It's a shame it's never the most competitively viable mon, but I've always dug it's design!

[@treyparkerofficial]

I freaking love these videos. The VS races are the best and I love the amount of detail and dedication put into every video. Fantastic

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Glad you like them!

[@dragonfly4441]

I really love your Versus videos. Poison being top tier secondary type is a plot twist I did NOT see coming. Glad these mons were OP. You deserve an easier video to make from time to time.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

This was the first versus video that didn’t have some sort of major production melt down behind the scenes. I’m so happy it felt easier because these style of videos have been an absolute pain for me in the past. Maybe I can do them more regularly now!

[@yungruuku]

Scott your videos are fucking gas. Every single one of them hits like that good good. Always excited to watch. Your editor is also sick, the cuts and transitions are always so freaking clean dude. You have a great production quality. My favorite part is by far and away the fact that you are programming all of these QOL changes to your overlay. The dedication is unrivaled. Mad props to you, for not just delivering great content, but also bettering yourself by getting better and better with what seems to be your true passion (programming). Much love, bro. Cheers.

[@jasonchen4312]

Yeah Scott's production spoils us

[@UDGam3rSharK]

This man took the thoughts from my head everytime I pull up one of our boys banger. BEEN saying the production quality unparalleled, the editing is just what we need w little things hidden everywhere for the attentive eye, on top of the god damn overlay programming… man oh man.. started W Jrose and found Scott after, I’m very happy and proud to say that I can’t watch anyone else’s videos with the same expectations of dedication. Absolute mad lad we’re witnessing

[@midnighteagle8907]

Tight tight

[@redgose4403]

the man discovered gold and then made it so much better to the point that anytime I see any other poke challenge I feel as if there's something missing

[@jasonchen4312]

I feel the absolute same way haha can't watch/listen to anyone else now

[@zenitfan4life]

Oh man, such similar starting movesets and TMs! This one is gonna be close, but my money is on Victreebel due to higher base speed. Shame that it doesn't get access to Growth in its final form.

[@smb-c3po]

Oddish sucks anyway, just catch a Bellsprout instead.

[@christopherustupski2316]

1.5 hours! Scott! You are the man! Making these so perfect! Thank you for the enthusiasm and entertainment

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

You’re welcome!

[@Lucurryo]

I'm so happy that nice sponsors are reaching out to you dude, well deserved

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks a ton!

[@jazminespinoza7932]

This is why I love these videos SO much. I’ve always loved these cute little plants but never in my life would I have imagined that they would do this well!!

[@rc4780]

I really love this run because these two are still some of my favourites. Vileplume may possibly still be my favourite just because it’s so solid and can be difficult for the AI to deal with, but I absolutely love Victreebel’s design. A great result by Victreebel, knocking Gengar down is a great achievement. Wait until Gen 4 where you can run a physical Vileplume or Victreebel. I loved Grass types so much as a kid that it really got me into keeping carnivorous plants. I had a massive terrarium with heaps of rare ones that my grandparents had spent a lot of money helping me make. I’d also catch flies to feed to them - something I became quite good at. I think this is my favourite run, can’t wait to thee them, Bellossom and Sunflora in Johto.

[@nightowl832]

Vileplume is usually my go-to grass type in gen 1, so I have to pull for it!

[@Sickmonkey3]

Scott, your videos just keep getting better and better! Your coding skills are really coming in handy to show dynamic changes in the game. I'm loving these new additions

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

More stuff coming soon!

[@leetfukk]

Fell in love with Victreebel during a Blue nuzlocke, such an underrated pokemon glad to see it do so well

[@Chefvonbreezy]

The speed and attack stat are great for victreebel especially for badge boosts. It’ll be bulky enough as is. And you’ll be out speeding and doing more with physical moves off less setup.

[@syddlinden8966]

This was SUCH a good Vs! And the outcome makes me so so proud to have a Victribel on my very first ever League team from blue.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It was an amazing match. I didn’t think it would be because of my prediction of how Vileplume would do. Happily surprised!

[@Bananazu2411]

I haven't watched the runs yet, so I'm gonna place bets. I suspect Victreebel will likely come out on top, comparing the competitive performance of these two, but Oddish was my very first shiny, and as such, I have a soft spot for Vileplume, so I got my fingers crossed for it! 😊

[@X-hauseTED-Talk]

I really like what you've done with the screen. I'm learning to code right now and have grown an appreciation for what you do for the viewer. Thank you!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

You’re welcome!

[@sashasscribbles]

Yay I'm so happy to see Vileplume doing well!!! I love that babie; it rarely gets to shine because of Venusaur in the competitive scene. Thanks once again Scott for the wonderfully entertaining video

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I agree. Mimic for Victreebel from Agatha on is probably the best play.

[@omlo9093]

I'm replaying Red right now, my team is: Charizard, Raichu, *Vileplume*, Mew, Snorlax, and Lapras. A pretty basic team, but Vileplume is great.

[@mr.d00m37]

*Victreebel

[@sashasscribbles]

@@mr.d00m37 I dont care, the meaning was understood with the other spelling

[@SaintoftheHonest]

I feel like Tentacruel's gonna be the top of A tier, because it doesn't get a Water move until L22, so you're stuck with Wrap, Supersonic, etc. This is gonna give you a slow start and its low defence will make Brock a liiiittle problematic (some extra training in Viridian Forest needed). Still, this will be the ONLY hurdle and you don't even need to wait to 22, due to the Water Gun TM.

[@DemonsFlame]

Wow, Victreebel is such a beast, out of all the pokemon I thought would take Gengar's crown, it was no where near the top of my list. What a legend!

[@PolsDGas]

I comment only to help you with the algorithm, but I take the opportunity to congratulate you because I've been following you since the beginning and the progress you've made is just incredible

[@N12015]

Seeing this video made something in me click: Meowscarada has basically single target gen 1 razor leaf as its signature move. They are roughly the same base power considering crits in gen 1 are not exactly 2 times damage; At level 50 a 55 BP razor leaf is actually a 105 BP grass move who ignore boosts... Just like Flower trick. Btw, Meowscarada is heavily carried by fast Flower Trick and Knock off, both in singles and in doubles.

[@Redmage913]

The Vileplume fanart looks like it’s wearing a slightly angled fedora :) well done!

[@Red-jq6bw]

If Victrebell starts with Razor Leaf, it's gonna be one sided Edit: i just checked the movepolls, and both starts pretty well, but i think Victrebell is gonna win, thanks to the Razor Leaf+Sleep Powder combo. Vileplume has Petal Dance, so in the beggining is not gonna be really hard, but in a long run it's gonna struggle...

[@smb-c3po]

I actually use a Victreebel in Yellow Version, it's not canon to my actual Kanto Pokémon team.

[@Red-jq6bw]

@@smb-c3po i think it's the best grass type in gen 1. Exegguntor is also crazy good, but it's only used in the late game

[@smb-c3po]

@@Red-jq6bw The only temporary party member I use in Johto is Hoothoot until my Togepi finally gives enough of a shit about me to wanna evolve.

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

"I'm trying to read all the comments, but it's getting to be impossible." Where I'm from, we call that a luxury problem.

[@ryomaanime4563]

I can't see how Vileplume would stand a chance against the razor leaf machine edit : but i'm surprised by both of the performances

[@VillainousWarlord]

I really appreciate how much dedication you put into your videos and go behind the scenes. You are making real definitive results for these videos by comparison to other youtubers who are doing it more for theater and doing casual let's plays, basically. Your tier list feels super legitimate, to the point I don't think many could ever argue it. Hope you can keep growing, you deserve it. The amount of transparency in these videos is refreshing.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I really want to keep things transparent. I don't think my approach is perfect, some things I'd change if I started all over, but we're too far in and everything is "good enough". I'm hoping that at the end of the project I can look back and feel happy with the accuracy of my rankings. There will have to be tie-breakers.

[@ishkanah6309]

SPOILER ALERT! So - judging by Victreebel's incredible time, I have one important question: Is Venusaur gonna beat its time? Better speed, better defense, same special, almost same atk, almost same movepool. Unfortunately, it's stuck with Vine Whip until lvl 30. And no Acid could slightly delay with early Bug Catchers.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I think Venusaur will do really well.

[@pineapplepizzasandwich1974]

Victreebel is far superior for hiding the corpses of your enemies.

[@Kryzersteif]

Did anyone notice Vileplume got so many crits in this run? It performed well and the video was great overall

[@ponyboy9765]

Both of these Pokémon are so slept on. I’ve used them in multiple play throughs and really enjoyed them. Especially for Vileplume in later gens when it’s movepool gets so much better.

[@smb-c3po]

Victreebel is better anyway and actually learns attacking Grass-type moves, I actually use one for my non-canon Yellow Version team and ain't even my official Kanto team.

[@desiccant]

That was a good one love the vs ones. Can't wait to see Haunter, Kadabra, & Alakazam's redo to complete those evolutionary lines.

[@MegaMitchMan]

I've been watching you for years now, and it's so satisfying to see you have sponsors now

[@matthiasrauert8397]

Finally another vs video. I know they take a lot of work but damnit they are worth it. Great job Scott.

[@Naxhus2]

I reckon after you've done all pokemon in yellow you take the top 32 and do a speedrun vs. tournament with them. Would be good fun to see how they all compare now that you're better at the games. Great vid, keep it up!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

That’s a fun idea. Maybe it’s a tournament where I have to do a single attempt only. So it’s all about finding the most consistent strategies that could be executed in let’s say a 1 hour time slot.

[@Naxhus2]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Yeah! And it might go a long way to answer that "consistency vs potential" argument. To win something like that you have to be both consistent, but consistently faster than your opponent.

[@CrabSage111]

Sometimes when I don't have a lot of time I skip to the end of videos like these to see the results. But knowing how much you put into the runs I just waited until I had enough time to watch it all.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I hope it was a good ride!

[@EverthingsApple]

Scott I just want to take a moment to thank you. You've very gradually become one of my favourite Pokemon game KZbinrs and I'm grateful for your content. All the success to you mate.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m glad you’re enjoying my stuff! Thanks for taking the time to leave this comment. Keeps me motivated!

[@takkoy8658]

Victreebel is one of the two reasons the Blue version is superior to Red. Sandslash is the other reason.

[@matversion2]

Literally rewatching this so i can do a good victreebel run. Thank you for showing me dee way Scott!

[@Shenaldrac]

I always liked Victreebel. Never my favorite pokemon, but up there. Your videos are always really entertaining, thank you!

[@bakabaka5590]

I used to be really into carnivorous plants when i was a kid so I always thought the bellsprout line was so cool.

[@charlessegale6493]

Ah sweet, we get *THREE* playthroughs today! That's (usually) how you know the Pokémon Scott's using have great potential!

[@CelticGuardian7]

This must be why they couldn't give James his Victreebel in the game. Kids would never be able to get past Team Rocket. ;)

[@simplicated99]

Wow the the KZbin algorithm suggested this to me out of the blue and I decided to watched this. Brings back so much memories LOL. I still remember the first game I played was blue version, and I didn't know that you had to deliver a package to Prof Oak to get past the grumpy old man. So I was basically stuck in Pallet Town and Viridian City for a long time. So much so that my starter Squirtle evolved into a Blastoise by the time I eventually beat Misty.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I couldn’t figure out how to get through Viridian Forest and just thought the game ended there after you ran out of money and couldn’t catch anymore Pokémon. I restarted so many times just to get more money and catch Pokémon haha

[@momoTAMAGOTCHI]

The oddish line is probably my favorite.

[@L00se_change]

I love you Scott literally the best videos to listen to late and to fall asleep to. In a good way

[@presidentlacy]

The production quality is just so good. Keep it up love your stuff!

[@reshawshid]

Fun fact: The Victreebell line is from a lesser-known carnivorous plant called a "pitcher plant". In real life these plants have an open-ended stomach that faces upwards and lures in insects (also sometimes frogs and mice) with sweet nectar near the lip, and the slippery surface causes the prey to fall in the stomach. Some species of this plant also have a leaf over the top of the stomach to prevent rain from diluting the stomach acid, just like you see pictured in Victreebell's sprite. It's actually much more efficient at pest control than Venus flytraps because they don't have to fully digest something to take in more prey. It was never a flower bulb... it was a stomach.

[@thegamedanalyst2169]

I never knew I could live for Bruno disrespect until I found your channel. Keep up the good work

[@Pikakeung]

I think it has been a while since I see a versus video. I miss these! Vileplume was my preferred one as a kid. It was simply because it was the cuter one. However, in recent years, I have grown to love Victreebel from my Pogo experience.

[@zeaferjones1404]

Yeah if pokemon were real I'd prefer having a Vileplume I'm not trying to end up like James with a Victreebel.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah took a couple months off of versus videos. Last one was December 24th.

[@joshgregory1763]

The drawing of bruno looks too competent. A confused bruno like a lost hiker would be great🤣

[@Syklida]

I actually really love both of them! Both of them used to be my fav at one point in time

[@arvistotele3442]

This makes me very curious about Venusaur! And the layout in these new videos is gorgeous to look at!

[@inventiveusername5191]

Venusaur is basically a worse Victreebel in terms of these playthoughs. Very similar learnsets and pretty similar stats (same special, Venusaur has more speed and defense but those don't really matter, Victreebel has slightly more attack which I guess helps a little bit). Big difference is that Victreebel starts with sleep powder and razor leaf whereas Venusaur has to wait for levels 55 and 30 for those moves.. Venusaur getting growth, which Victreebel doesn't have access to, at level 43 might make some of the late game a tiny bit quicker, but it won't offset the huge advantage Victreebel gets from having,such a powerful status move right from the start. I predict Venusaur will be around the bottom of the S tier. Still very fast in the grand scheme but not quite on Victreebel's level.

[@rodrigojrivas]

Scott, you're simply the best content creator by far when it comes to this Pokemon type content. Amazing work and very well explained gameplay. I am excited to see Weepinbell and see if it can actually dethrone Victreebel.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks so much Rodrigo, I'm glad you're enjoying my videos! I'm excited to try Weepinbell too. I have high hopes for it, however, I'm not sure if they are as high as they were before I played Victreebel.

[@cduke_Net_Architect]

I love your passion for these games and the Pokémon in them. I feel that way too, and it is so cool to see someone with a growing platform treat every video meticulously, yet you still make them fun. I go back-and-forth between what my top 2-3-4 Pokémon are, but Victreebel is always in that top tier discussion. I loved the grass type growing up playing RBY. I discovered Razor Leaf and how it always got a critical hit with Victreebel's speed. My only real complaint would be why it had to have a sub-type of poison. If it has to be that way, then Victreebel should have learned Sludge IMO. With STAB it would be a pretty effective move - not to mention alongside Victreebel's high Base Attack stat. Anyway, I love the videos and glad to be a supporter. Keep them coming! 🎉

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Omg if this thing got sludge in gen1 it would have been so dominant. Slightly more damage that body slam and the ability to potentially skip that SS Anne trainer.

[@vreeze33]

Vileplume actually is my favourite pokemon or maybe it's oddish. As a kid I was obsessed with moves that restored hp and since the oddish line has absorb it became a pokemon I often had on my team. Its attacks weren't necessarily very strong, but thanks to being able to heal it could deal with a lot of trainers. One of the things that I can clearly remember from playing as a kid is that I once got lost in the seafoam islands. All my pokemon got knocked out by the wild pokemon, except for Vileplume who did its best to protect me and could withstand a lot more attacks thanks to being able to heal. Eventually Vileplume ran out of pp and after some struggles it also fainted. In the end it didn't matter that it lasted so much longer and it only meant that it took longer to get out of cave, but this memory has stuck with me and has helped keep it at the top as my favourite pokemon. Vileplume is often overshadowed by other grass types, even from the same generation, but it has some unique moves have allowed it to shine for me in competitive and in playthroughs that doesn't really matter anyway. Victreebel is a pokemon that I didn't really use in gen 1. I did have pokemon blue at some point, but bulbasaur has leech seed which made it my favourite starter and much better than bellsprout. I did use bellsprout in gen 2 since you get it earlier than oddish and I didn't like removing pokemon from my team as a kid, but oddish still got a lot of use in gen 2. I never got leaf stones in gen 2 as a kid, so I still didn't use victreebel in gen 2. Since Victreebel has better offensive stats I think it will have an advantage, but I hope that Vileplume will manage to catch up in later playthroughs.

[@NativeGolfer10]

Good grief Scott! Thanks for validating all my childhood beliefs about my Gen 1 teams! Victrebell was always my grass type if I chose Squirtle or Charmander in Blue and it was always such a beast but seeing the numbers behind it and what you did was awesome!

[@Austin007]

That has the be the most intense rival 4 battle I've ever seen on this channel.

[@tigerking3297]

I really like and have used both of these actually, I used Vileplume in my successful Emerald nuzlocke and used a shiny Victreebel in my Lets Go Eevee playthrough.

[@bl9048]

Writing before watching… I hope Vileploom is better, because I had Blue, and I always felt that the oddish line was better and was salty as a kid cuz I had the bad version. If Victrebell is better, I’ll be angry to find out I had the better version all along. Good luck Scott! Have fun!

[@troykennedy1087]

Doesn't get much better than a Gen1 vs video with Scott :D

[@CrazyConk1]

Scott, I think you're the best poke tuber. I've been watching your videos since the star, helped me sleep after coming home after overnights. You do an excellent job and your commitment to the game and your fans is unparalleled. Keep chugging on! Thank you for helping me fall asleep and entertaining me when I'm home alone. I'm sure I speak for a lot of us when I say please don't stop and keep going!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I won’t be stopping. I love doing this. Hopefully more and more frequent content over the coming months!

[@gmanz5]

That Mimic strat for Agatha was so cool!

[@Killagoose77]

Been asking for this one for so long and I am stoked to hear who wins. Rooting for my boy Victreebel, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went either way. Edit: Well, I am glad to see my favorite become number 1! At least as of now.

[@888Grim]

Excellent as always =) It sounds like maybe we need a Poliwhirl VS Weepinbell playthrough? Except Weepinbell starts with Growth, whereas Poliwhirl doesn't get access to Amnesia until level 41... Maybe it doesn't need it until later, and then Poliwhirl does get Bubblebeam/Bodyslam early, then Ice Beam/Earthquake/Psychic, so I honestly don't know? I also have no idea which Pokemon should VS Gloom, to me the closest match-up looks like Dragonair?

[@adamh2900]

Mimicking Lick and combining it with Swords Dance is amongst the most original strategies I've seen anywhere to be honest!

[@vfranceschini]

Thanks as always for the awesome content, Scott! I really appreciate all the effort put into the playthroughs and data collection/organisation. I swear it's the last time I'll suggest this, but a comparative playthrough of international versions and original ones would be great! Cheers, keep it up!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Good idea. I’d have to map the Japanese games for my software to work. I’ll try to do it in the future.

[@vfranceschini]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon i see, that might be a pain given values and other things are written/stored in different parts of the code, ram or w/e(Iremember that's why you coudn't trade between original/international); would still be quite unique content; I don't think I've ever seen a side by side comparison in the style you do, Thanks as always for the entertainment and hard work!Cheers

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

Sponsorblock on this video is super funny "and if you're hungry" "start with victribell"

[@travisalexander6440]

I can appreciate that in Gen1 every starter had a mon that was almost (at least) as good for an in-game playthrough. That way, no one was hamstrung into picking a certain starter if they wanted a mon for at that type (looking at you, Infernape in DP). Charizard had Arcanine (Blue had the slightly less good Magmar and Ninetales), Blastoise had Gyarados (for the patient) and Starmie, and Venusaur had Victreebel (where Red had the slightly lesser Vileplume).

[@fritz1651]

gen 1 is the best for making a balanced fire water grass core.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I think you mean Ninetales is better than Arcanine ;) You’re so right with this comment. That’s one way Gen2 and gen4 failed imo. If you don’t pick the fire starter you have such limited options.

[@travisalexander6440]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon True: better Speed, better Special, and a much early Flamethrower from its pre-evolution. Does mean that Blue has both better alternatives for Fire and Grass, though.

[@williamwadepaulus330]

Congratulations on hello fresh sponsore! So proud of you man

[@gorrumKnight]

Always look forward to new vids from Scott! I never cared much for Vileplume tbh though, not surprised at it's performance comparatively.

[@emilydonegan3208]

I always liked the Bellsprout line a little more, but that might be Blue bias lol; My big sister knew nothing of Pokémon, but thought Vileplume was cute! Also, Petal Dance was one of my favorite moves as a kid, because it had lots of PP, the animation was really pretty, and the thought of some kind of flower dance just seemed really cute!

[@PrincessGoth574]

I loved oddish so much when i was little (i still do). My brother had a figure I loved with a ball-bearing inside, and i love the card illustrated by Keiji Kinebuchi. When I first played fire red I caught an oddish and used her all the way through. Vileplume is one of my favourite gen 1 pokemon.

[@MelodicTurtleMetal]

I remember those pokemon figures with the ball bearing. Had a couple of them.. can't recall any specifics. They kinda bothered me because they didn't stand well due to the ball, and it also didn't really do anything

[@kennystyles9690]

I am so excited for this one, most hyped I've been since your porygon playthrough. I do think victrebell will win, just cause it's faster, hits harder, and has better moves. But both are some of my favorite Gen 1 pokemon and I hope it's close

[@ptiscool3334]

I’ve always liked vileplume. Ever since ash saved Erica’s smelly gloom back in burning gym.

[@zeaferjones1404]

That is why Gloom is Erika's ace pokemon in yellow. I always wondered what would have happened if Pikachu fought Gloom. Gloom was KO'ing all of Ash's pokemon but Pikachu went toe to toe with Sabrina's Kadabra which seemed more dangerous.

[@Nicholas86753]

As a Poison Type Gym Leader, I am endlessly happy to know that the Poison Type owns the S Tier.

[@williambaker5730]

Hey Scott, amazing vid. That’s all! Keep up the good work. Yellow vids are my favourite and the reason I fell in love with your channel

[@patrickbroome5427]

Love this video, great to see that both pokemon are really good, though no surprise victreebel is very good(though surprising it is THIS good) it has always had a reputation of being a powerhouse. More surprising is the power on Vileplume, interesting to see it is so good of a pokemon, I always took it for granted, but it is actually really good it seems. If/when you get around to playing a zigzagoon run you should name him Oy after the best billy-bumbler, who looks kinda like one.

[@LinkLovesCrawfish]

Love the VS series it's how I found your channel initially pidgeot is my favorite pokemon lol

[@PegbordFegs]

6:26 I love that little name easter egg with all of my heart

[@thatguydamo91]

Dude. Your vids are wicked Been a watcher for ages now and honestly usually never comment But, this vid brought back so many memories. My brother and I always played and he always loved the Oddish line and I always loved the Bellsprout line. So this was really cool man. Made me so happy!!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I'm glad that the video could make you happy!

[@thatguydamo91]

​@Scott's Thoughts Very happy man. Thank you for the reply and all your hard work. You're definitely my favourite to watch on youtube so thank you!!!!

[@LuckyBoyJKid]

I've always loved Victreebel so this was a really fun video to watch!

[@Stevo2557]

Just noticed you edited the game file to put Scott and Butt as options for names. I like it!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’ve had that for awhile now!

[@Stevo2557]

@Scott's Thoughts first time I caught it. :) I like it. Great job with this video. I 100% was super surprised by the results and also how poison types are so low yet the dual poison types (fully evolved) are near the top. Tentacruel is going to be very interesting.

[@andreapareti324]

26:38 fittingly enough for this video, Erika's aces are almost always two members of the Oddish and Bellsprout lines together, most often Vileplume and Victreebel! Though I do agree that Tangela feels more specific to her, and it indeed becomes her ace in the HGSS rematch in the form of a Tangrowth.

[@adampatel5491]

Man the passion , love your work, hope your channel grows buddy

[@inazuma-fulgur]

One of these will dance on the others metaphorical grave, a performance involving long sharp pieces of metal

[@dwalin619]

Victreebel is my favorite of those two. Had it in my team for a while back in the day.

[@garryfischer3679]

the way i lol'd at the mirror move. Loving this so far!

[@garethleahy412]

Awesome video Scott. I'm surprised at just how well both pokemon did. I can't see Tentacruel doing as well due to its lack of a starting water move. It doesn't match up well with the first 3 gyms but gets ice beam for Erika.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I find it cool that Tentacruel also gets Mega Drain for Lorelei. Most water Pokémon have a slow fight against her without it.

[@rayorcc]

Wow, seeing both of them speed through so fast! In previous casual playthroughs Victreebel always was a great member on my teams, but even beating out Gengar is a great feat! Also very much looking forward to the Tentacruel playthrough. And thank you (again) for putting so much effort into things like the overlay, the production quality of your vidoes is phenomenal!

[@brendanhart517]

Awesome info on how you choose the order and such to play them. Really interesting watching them race and be so close through the early game (up to koga Vileplume atm) Enjoyable videos. I like these races and even though I had red when i was a kid I like weepinbell more (i have interesting relationships with version exclusives in the early games which I got and didn't get a choice)

[@shimauta1941]

Three for finally giving us a vs video again.

[@raikaria3090]

I did not expect that re-run result of Victreebel!

[@curtbanner]

Came through with the "my favorite Pokemon was Butterfree" yes boi! Early game especially, and one of my most ever used Pokemon, Paras/Parasect. Maybe #1 since Breloom is in fewer games.