Victreebel vs. Vileplume - Pokemon Yellow

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2. No items in battle, except held items
3. No glitches, exploits, save states, or RNG manipulation
4. No evasion moves before level 100*
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-- *In gen1, evasion boosting is allowed if the Pokemon does it through means other than learning the move by level up or TM. For example, using Mimic or Mirror Move to boost evasion is allowed. (This exception is to keep ranking consistent with my legacy videos.)
-- I am allowed to manipulate my starter
-- I play the game at 4x game speed
-- For fair comparisons all my Pokemon have perfect (or near perfect) DVs / IVs
-- I am allowed to catch HM users - I can use all field moves
-- All in-battle glitches are allowed in generation 1
-- In generation 1, I'm allowed to skip Marowak with the Poke Doll
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[@Mikeo1384]

Nothing makes me happier than when Scott says “After these second play-throughs I still wasn’t satisfied with my results so…” Keep up the incredible passion!

[@Seth_Hezekiah]

Idk, I do enjoy that he put more work into it, but frankly, I'd rather you just show us the best run and not waste our time with the earlier runs except for the highlights of what you learned.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m glad this makes people happy! I’m always worried that this is the moment when everyone clicks off the video. (Turns out analytics tell me it’s the best portion for viewer retention.) I’m always happy to play the game a couple more times with Pokémon that aren’t Seel.

[@riccardomosena4162]

@@Seth_Hezekiah it's true that videos gets longer like that, but it's also very nice watching the improvements with trial and error

[@samthewonderkid]

@@Seth_Hezekiah I feel like it's nice to have the option to either skip to the final run, or watch it all🙂 to each their own

[@AdminAbuse]

@@samthewonderkid if there were chapters or timestamps, sure. But that is not the case

[@skeetermania3202]

SPOILERS!! Something also worth noting is that all of the S-tiers are in the same EXP Group (Medium Slow, which is actually faster than Fast in part of the early-game, and the Fast growth rate Pokémon have bad Brock splits). Maybe that contributed more than the Poison typing. After all, the amount of opponents in Yellow that just derp in front of Poison types is far fewer than in Red/Blue.

[@InfernosReaper]

Yeah, the early game has the most bog-down points(Brock, Rival 2/Misty), so that better XP progression is great for getting over that hump. By the time that's over, the game's opened up and the player can pick the best route for a particular mon, so reduced or exhausted EXP benefits don't matter anymore. Kinda reminds me of an article by one of the D&D 3rd Developers where he talks about how different XP progression charts are a poor point of balance, because most of a game is at the lower levels and a character needed a few more encounters to level up isn't really keep them from dominating until the cap unless the gap is so high they're basically useless. Moreover, once that cap is hit, the power gap doesn't go away. Thus, balance needs to be attained within the entity designs themselves.

[@TheDarkFiddler]

Makes me wonder how things would change if you gave top-tier Pokémon a worse EXP curve or low-tier Pokémon a better curve 🤔

[@InfernosReaper]

@@TheDarkFiddler most of the ones that are *supposed* to be high tier already do, but if you mean the ones that actually ended up high tier on these challenges... that could be interesting for a video or 2, but i suspect a pattern will start emerging pretty quickly.

[@TheDarkFiddler]

@InfernosReaper oh definitely thinking just a one-off video for the point of demonstrating how much it can matter. It would get REAL tedious to add it in for every Pokémon, and Scott has enough work already

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yes! Medium-Slow is very good.

[@jordiegarcia8413]

Dude you're layouts are on a whole other level, the gameplay and commentary are always on point but for me its the layout having all the info you could possibly want accesible all throughout the video is honestly amazing

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m glad the layout really matters. I spend so much time working on it.

[@leftysheppey]

I've said this before. The layout is god tier. All the information you could ever want in a very concise way. It's not too busy and it's very intuitive. It's great

[@adamsik1985]

Everyone deserves credit for there work but copying and pasting isn't that hard regardless still a good video

[@leftysheppey]

@adamsik the right hand side is copy/pasted, the left hand side is all coded to read data from the game

[@libraryscholaralexis6581]

I actually really like Victreebel. I have one in a Soul Silver Nuzlocke. His name is Mandrake and he was a big help in a the early points of the game. He's still alive, I just replaced him with a Tangrowth that I caught named Tania. If something happens to her then Mandrake is coming back as my grass type pokemon. Love getting to see Victreebel doing well. Vileplume is nice too since the two of them are great in their own ways. Please keep up the good work and great videos.

[@yungruuku]

Scott your videos are fucking gas. Every single one of them hits like that good good. Always excited to watch. Your editor is also sick, the cuts and transitions are always so freaking clean dude. You have a great production quality. My favorite part is by far and away the fact that you are programming all of these QOL changes to your overlay. The dedication is unrivaled. Mad props to you, for not just delivering great content, but also bettering yourself by getting better and better with what seems to be your true passion (programming). Much love, bro. Cheers.

[@jasonchen4312]

Yeah Scott's production spoils us

[@UDGam3rSharK]

This man took the thoughts from my head everytime I pull up one of our boys banger. BEEN saying the production quality unparalleled, the editing is just what we need w little things hidden everywhere for the attentive eye, on top of the god damn overlay programming… man oh man.. started W Jrose and found Scott after, I’m very happy and proud to say that I can’t watch anyone else’s videos with the same expectations of dedication. Absolute mad lad we’re witnessing

[@midnighteagle8907]

Tight tight

[@redgose4403]

the man discovered gold and then made it so much better to the point that anytime I see any other poke challenge I feel as if there's something missing

[@jasonchen4312]

I feel the absolute same way haha can't watch/listen to anyone else now

[@popcorngenerator1925]

Victreebel has been one of my favourite Pokémon since the beginning. Along with kabutops, they are my top 1 and 2. Can’t wait to see how this goes!

[@ahaak3382]

I love Kabutops and Victreebel too! Not my top favorites, but definetly some of my absolute favs of gen 1!

[@Chomta]

ALAKZAM

[@shimauta1941]

Holy cow, their times are incredible in all of the featured runs. It's great to see the S tier growing. Edit: Victreebel dethroning Gengar is the cherry on top of this incredible sundae of a video.

[@megatennepster3833]

It's a breath after vitcreebel fell out of ou

[@joshsimpson1283]

How many sub 40 Pokemon before you need to add a s+ tier or something

[@DarkfoolDave]

Victreebel was and remains my favorite grass type to this day! It's a shame it's never the most competitively viable mon, but I've always dug it's design!

[@treyparkerofficial]

I freaking love these videos. The VS races are the best and I love the amount of detail and dedication put into every video. Fantastic

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Glad you like them!

[@zenitfan4life]

Oh man, such similar starting movesets and TMs! This one is gonna be close, but my money is on Victreebel due to higher base speed. Shame that it doesn't get access to Growth in its final form.

[@sorasong9708]

Oddish sucks anyway, just catch a Bellsprout instead.

[@nightowl832]

Vileplume is usually my go-to grass type in gen 1, so I have to pull for it!

[@dragonfly4441]

I really love your Versus videos. Poison being top tier secondary type is a plot twist I did NOT see coming. Glad these mons were OP. You deserve an easier video to make from time to time.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

This was the first versus video that didn’t have some sort of major production melt down behind the scenes. I’m so happy it felt easier because these style of videos have been an absolute pain for me in the past. Maybe I can do them more regularly now!

[@christopherustupski2316]

1.5 hours! Scott! You are the man! Making these so perfect! Thank you for the enthusiasm and entertainment

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

You’re welcome!

[@Lucurryo]

I'm so happy that nice sponsors are reaching out to you dude, well deserved

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks a ton!

[@jazminespinoza7932]

This is why I love these videos SO much. I’ve always loved these cute little plants but never in my life would I have imagined that they would do this well!!

[@Sickmonkey3]

Scott, your videos just keep getting better and better! Your coding skills are really coming in handy to show dynamic changes in the game. I'm loving these new additions

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

More stuff coming soon!

[@leetfukk]

Fell in love with Victreebel during a Blue nuzlocke, such an underrated pokemon glad to see it do so well

[@syddlinden8966]

This was SUCH a good Vs! And the outcome makes me so so proud to have a Victribel on my very first ever League team from blue.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It was an amazing match. I didn’t think it would be because of my prediction of how Vileplume would do. Happily surprised!

[@rc4780]

I really love this run because these two are still some of my favourites. Vileplume may possibly still be my favourite just because it’s so solid and can be difficult for the AI to deal with, but I absolutely love Victreebel’s design. A great result by Victreebel, knocking Gengar down is a great achievement. Wait until Gen 4 where you can run a physical Vileplume or Victreebel. I loved Grass types so much as a kid that it really got me into keeping carnivorous plants. I had a massive terrarium with heaps of rare ones that my grandparents had spent a lot of money helping me make. I’d also catch flies to feed to them - something I became quite good at. I think this is my favourite run, can’t wait to thee them, Bellossom and Sunflora in Johto.

[@matthiasrauert8397]

Finally another vs video. I know they take a lot of work but damnit they are worth it. Great job Scott.

[@desiccant]

That was a good one love the vs ones. Can't wait to see Haunter, Kadabra, & Alakazam's redo to complete those evolutionary lines.

[@presidentlacy]

The production quality is just so good. Keep it up love your stuff!

[@Chefvonbreezy]

The speed and attack stat are great for victreebel especially for badge boosts. It’ll be bulky enough as is. And you’ll be out speeding and doing more with physical moves off less setup.

[@troykennedy1087]

Doesn't get much better than a Gen1 vs video with Scott :D

[@sashasscribbles]

Yay I'm so happy to see Vileplume doing well!!! I love that babie; it rarely gets to shine because of Venusaur in the competitive scene. Thanks once again Scott for the wonderfully entertaining video

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I agree. Mimic for Victreebel from Agatha on is probably the best play.

[@omlo9093]

I'm replaying Red right now, my team is: Charizard, Raichu, *Vileplume*, Mew, Snorlax, and Lapras. A pretty basic team, but Vileplume is great.

[@VillainousWarlord]

I really appreciate how much dedication you put into your videos and go behind the scenes. You are making real definitive results for these videos by comparison to other youtubers who are doing it more for theater and doing casual let's plays, basically. Your tier list feels super legitimate, to the point I don't think many could ever argue it. Hope you can keep growing, you deserve it. The amount of transparency in these videos is refreshing.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I really want to keep things transparent. I don't think my approach is perfect, some things I'd change if I started all over, but we're too far in and everything is "good enough". I'm hoping that at the end of the project I can look back and feel happy with the accuracy of my rankings. There will have to be tie-breakers.

[@X-hauseTED-Talk]

I really like what you've done with the screen. I'm learning to code right now and have grown an appreciation for what you do for the viewer. Thank you!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

You’re welcome!

[@DemonsFlame]

Wow, Victreebel is such a beast, out of all the pokemon I thought would take Gengar's crown, it was no where near the top of my list. What a legend!

[@adampatel5491]

Man the passion , love your work, hope your channel grows buddy

[@garryfischer3679]

the way i lol'd at the mirror move. Loving this so far!

[@MegaMitchMan]

I've been watching you for years now, and it's so satisfying to see you have sponsors now

[@ponyboy9765]

Both of these Pokémon are so slept on. I’ve used them in multiple play throughs and really enjoyed them. Especially for Vileplume in later gens when it’s movepool gets so much better.

[@L00se_change]

I love you Scott literally the best videos to listen to late and to fall asleep to. In a good way

[@PolsDGas]

I comment only to help you with the algorithm, but I take the opportunity to congratulate you because I've been following you since the beginning and the progress you've made is just incredible

[@PegbordFegs]

6:26 I love that little name easter egg with all of my heart

[@charlessegale6493]

Ah sweet, we get *THREE* playthroughs today! That's (usually) how you know the Pokémon Scott's using have great potential!

[@williambaker5730]

Hey Scott, amazing vid. That’s all! Keep up the good work. Yellow vids are my favourite and the reason I fell in love with your channel

[@vfranceschini]

Thanks as always for the awesome content, Scott! I really appreciate all the effort put into the playthroughs and data collection/organisation. I swear it's the last time I'll suggest this, but a comparative playthrough of international versions and original ones would be great! Cheers, keep it up!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Good idea. I’d have to map the Japanese games for my software to work. I’ll try to do it in the future.

[@vfranceschini]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon i see, that might be a pain given values and other things are written/stored in different parts of the code, ram or w/e(Iremember that's why you coudn't trade between original/international); would still be quite unique content; I don't think I've ever seen a side by side comparison in the style you do, Thanks as always for the entertainment and hard work!Cheers

[@Shenaldrac]

I always liked Victreebel. Never my favorite pokemon, but up there. Your videos are always really entertaining, thank you!

[@Syklida]

I actually really love both of them! Both of them used to be my fav at one point in time

[@LuckyBoyJKid]

I've always loved Victreebel so this was a really fun video to watch!

[@CrabSage111]

Sometimes when I don't have a lot of time I skip to the end of videos like these to see the results. But knowing how much you put into the runs I just waited until I had enough time to watch it all.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I hope it was a good ride!

[@anni321]

This was amazing! Wow! So much work and dang those plants are fast! Thanks man :)

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

You’re welcome!

[@gmanz5]

That Mimic strat for Agatha was so cool!

[@TheDanishGuyReviews]

"I'm trying to read all the comments, but it's getting to be impossible." Where I'm from, we call that a luxury problem.

[@thegamedanalyst2169]

I never knew I could live for Bruno disrespect until I found your channel. Keep up the good work

[@arvistotele3442]

This makes me very curious about Venusaur! And the layout in these new videos is gorgeous to look at!

[@inventiveusername5191]

Venusaur is basically a worse Victreebel in terms of these playthoughs. Very similar learnsets and pretty similar stats (same special, Venusaur has more speed and defense but those don't really matter, Victreebel has slightly more attack which I guess helps a little bit). Big difference is that Victreebel starts with sleep powder and razor leaf whereas Venusaur has to wait for levels 55 and 30 for those moves.. Venusaur getting growth, which Victreebel doesn't have access to, at level 43 might make some of the late game a tiny bit quicker, but it won't offset the huge advantage Victreebel gets from having,such a powerful status move right from the start. I predict Venusaur will be around the bottom of the S tier. Still very fast in the grand scheme but not quite on Victreebel's level.

[@Naxhus2]

I reckon after you've done all pokemon in yellow you take the top 32 and do a speedrun vs. tournament with them. Would be good fun to see how they all compare now that you're better at the games. Great vid, keep it up!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

That’s a fun idea. Maybe it’s a tournament where I have to do a single attempt only. So it’s all about finding the most consistent strategies that could be executed in let’s say a 1 hour time slot.

[@Naxhus2]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon Yeah! And it might go a long way to answer that "consistency vs potential" argument. To win something like that you have to be both consistent, but consistently faster than your opponent.

[@moonflower1759]

Congrats on the hello fresh sponsor Scott! Thank you for all your videos ❤️

[@bakabaka5590]

I used to be really into carnivorous plants when i was a kid so I always thought the bellsprout line was so cool.

[@SaintoftheHonest]

I feel like Tentacruel's gonna be the top of A tier, because it doesn't get a Water move until L22, so you're stuck with Wrap, Supersonic, etc. This is gonna give you a slow start and its low defence will make Brock a liiiittle problematic (some extra training in Viridian Forest needed). Still, this will be the ONLY hurdle and you don't even need to wait to 22, due to the Water Gun TM.

[@Austin007]

That has the be the most intense rival 4 battle I've ever seen on this channel.

[@LTDextel]

Vileplume's trainer: u're not runnin' properly! Victreebel: *Screams*

[@williamwadepaulus330]

Congratulations on hello fresh sponsore! So proud of you man

[@gorrumKnight]

Always look forward to new vids from Scott! I never cared much for Vileplume tbh though, not surprised at it's performance comparatively.

[@cduke_Net_Architect]

I love your passion for these games and the Pokémon in them. I feel that way too, and it is so cool to see someone with a growing platform treat every video meticulously, yet you still make them fun. I go back-and-forth between what my top 2-3-4 Pokémon are, but Victreebel is always in that top tier discussion. I loved the grass type growing up playing RBY. I discovered Razor Leaf and how it always got a critical hit with Victreebel's speed. My only real complaint would be why it had to have a sub-type of poison. If it has to be that way, then Victreebel should have learned Sludge IMO. With STAB it would be a pretty effective move - not to mention alongside Victreebel's high Base Attack stat. Anyway, I love the videos and glad to be a supporter. Keep them coming! 🎉

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Omg if this thing got sludge in gen1 it would have been so dominant. Slightly more damage that body slam and the ability to potentially skip that SS Anne trainer.

[@ryomaanime4563]

I can't see how Vileplume would stand a chance against the razor leaf machine edit : but i'm surprised by both of the performances

[@joshgregory1763]

The drawing of bruno looks too competent. A confused bruno like a lost hiker would be great🤣

[@rayorcc]

Wow, seeing both of them speed through so fast! In previous casual playthroughs Victreebel always was a great member on my teams, but even beating out Gengar is a great feat! Also very much looking forward to the Tentacruel playthrough. And thank you (again) for putting so much effort into things like the overlay, the production quality of your vidoes is phenomenal!

[@EverthingsApple]

Scott I just want to take a moment to thank you. You've very gradually become one of my favourite Pokemon game KZbinrs and I'm grateful for your content. All the success to you mate.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m glad you’re enjoying my stuff! Thanks for taking the time to leave this comment. Keeps me motivated!

[@Bananazu2411]

I haven't watched the runs yet, so I'm gonna place bets. I suspect Victreebel will likely come out on top, comparing the competitive performance of these two, but Oddish was my very first shiny, and as such, I have a soft spot for Vileplume, so I got my fingers crossed for it! 😊

[@Redmage913]

The Vileplume fanart looks like it’s wearing a slightly angled fedora :) well done!

[@simplicated99]

Wow the the KZbin algorithm suggested this to me out of the blue and I decided to watched this. Brings back so much memories LOL. I still remember the first game I played was blue version, and I didn't know that you had to deliver a package to Prof Oak to get past the grumpy old man. So I was basically stuck in Pallet Town and Viridian City for a long time. So much so that my starter Squirtle evolved into a Blastoise by the time I eventually beat Misty.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I couldn’t figure out how to get through Viridian Forest and just thought the game ended there after you ran out of money and couldn’t catch anymore Pokémon. I restarted so many times just to get more money and catch Pokémon haha

[@LinkLovesCrawfish]

Love the VS series it's how I found your channel initially pidgeot is my favorite pokemon lol

[@wutang2549]

Oh myyyy i was here from 5k subs now you have over 50k. Congrats !!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks!

[@rodrigojrivas]

Scott, you're simply the best content creator by far when it comes to this Pokemon type content. Amazing work and very well explained gameplay. I am excited to see Weepinbell and see if it can actually dethrone Victreebel.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks so much Rodrigo, I'm glad you're enjoying my videos! I'm excited to try Weepinbell too. I have high hopes for it, however, I'm not sure if they are as high as they were before I played Victreebel.

[@YunggKhalifaa]

Your videos keep getting better & better.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m glad! Working hard everyweek to improve them for you!

[@tylerbenjamin328]

1:09:39 lol that Haunter was steamrolling your poor Vileplume! Lol 🤣😭😭💖

[@raikaria3090]

I did not expect that re-run result of Victreebel!

[@paleoscinkus542]

I love the artwork with Victreebels leaves curled into fists, haha

[@Medabee8]

Production quality is top tier!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks!

[@NativeGolfer10]

Good grief Scott! Thanks for validating all my childhood beliefs about my Gen 1 teams! Victrebell was always my grass type if I chose Squirtle or Charmander in Blue and it was always such a beast but seeing the numbers behind it and what you did was awesome!

[@thatguydamo91]

Dude. Your vids are wicked Been a watcher for ages now and honestly usually never comment But, this vid brought back so many memories. My brother and I always played and he always loved the Oddish line and I always loved the Bellsprout line. So this was really cool man. Made me so happy!!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I'm glad that the video could make you happy!

[@thatguydamo91]

​@Scott's Thoughts Very happy man. Thank you for the reply and all your hard work. You're definitely my favourite to watch on youtube so thank you!!!!

[@lorenzospinelli6422]

Very high quality Mr Scott.

[@travisalexander6440]

I can appreciate that in Gen1 every starter had a mon that was almost (at least) as good for an in-game playthrough. That way, no one was hamstrung into picking a certain starter if they wanted a mon for at that type (looking at you, Infernape in DP). Charizard had Arcanine (Blue had the slightly less good Magmar and Ninetales), Blastoise had Gyarados (for the patient) and Starmie, and Venusaur had Victreebel (where Red had the slightly lesser Vileplume).

[@fritz1651]

gen 1 is the best for making a balanced fire water grass core.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I think you mean Ninetales is better than Arcanine ;) You’re so right with this comment. That’s one way Gen2 and gen4 failed imo. If you don’t pick the fire starter you have such limited options.

[@travisalexander6440]

@@ScottsThoughtsPokemon True: better Speed, better Special, and a much early Flamethrower from its pre-evolution. Does mean that Blue has both better alternatives for Fire and Grass, though.

[@shimauta1941]

Three for finally giving us a vs video again.

[@Red-jq6bw]

If Victrebell starts with Razor Leaf, it's gonna be one sided Edit: i just checked the movepolls, and both starts pretty well, but i think Victrebell is gonna win, thanks to the Razor Leaf+Sleep Powder combo. Vileplume has Petal Dance, so in the beggining is not gonna be really hard, but in a long run it's gonna struggle...

[@sorasong9708]

I actually use a Victreebel in Yellow Version, it's not canon to my actual Kanto Pokémon team.

[@Red-jq6bw]

@@sorasong9708 i think it's the best grass type in gen 1. Exegguntor is also crazy good, but it's only used in the late game

[@sorasong9708]

@@Red-jq6bw The only temporary party member I use in Johto is Hoothoot until my Togepi finally gives enough of a shit about me to wanna evolve.

[@Pikakeung]

I think it has been a while since I see a versus video. I miss these! Vileplume was my preferred one as a kid. It was simply because it was the cuter one. However, in recent years, I have grown to love Victreebel from my Pogo experience.

[@zeaferjones1404]

Yeah if pokemon were real I'd prefer having a Vileplume I'm not trying to end up like James with a Victreebel.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Yeah took a couple months off of versus videos. Last one was December 24th.

[@inazuma-fulgur]

One of these will dance on the others metaphorical grave, a performance involving long sharp pieces of metal

[@N12015]

Seeing this video made something in me click: Meowscarada has basically single target gen 1 razor leaf as its signature move. They are roughly the same base power considering crits in gen 1 are not exactly 2 times damage; At level 50 a 55 BP razor leaf is actually a 105 BP grass move who ignore boosts... Just like Flower trick. Btw, Meowscarada is heavily carried by fast Flower Trick and Knock off, both in singles and in doubles.

[@garethleahy412]

Awesome video Scott. I'm surprised at just how well both pokemon did. I can't see Tentacruel doing as well due to its lack of a starting water move. It doesn't match up well with the first 3 gyms but gets ice beam for Erika.

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I find it cool that Tentacruel also gets Mega Drain for Lorelei. Most water Pokémon have a slow fight against her without it.

[@alexthefloorwarmingwarrior503]

Yay you did a video I suggested long ago vileplume has always been my favorite Pokémon!

[@thecarsongardner]

Awesome to see Gengar get dethroned! Curious to see what your Mewtwo splits would look like!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m so curious to see what Mewtwo can do!

[@brendanhart517]

Awesome info on how you choose the order and such to play them. Really interesting watching them race and be so close through the early game (up to koga Vileplume atm) Enjoyable videos. I like these races and even though I had red when i was a kid I like weepinbell more (i have interesting relationships with version exclusives in the early games which I got and didn't get a choice)

[@momoTAMAGOTCHI]

The oddish line is probably my favorite.

[@Stevo2557]

Just noticed you edited the game file to put Scott and Butt as options for names. I like it!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’ve had that for awhile now!

[@Stevo2557]

@Scott's Thoughts first time I caught it. :) I like it. Great job with this video. I 100% was super surprised by the results and also how poison types are so low yet the dual poison types (fully evolved) are near the top. Tentacruel is going to be very interesting.

[@ashharkausar413]

Amazing performance from both mons!

[@adamh2900]

Mimicking Lick and combining it with Swords Dance is amongst the most original strategies I've seen anywhere to be honest!

[@mikebaichoo576]

Omgoodness yes! I've been requesting this one for time!! 🙂

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

It’s here!

[@jdturkeys4948]

Wow your videos have come a long way, normaly just listen very cool to watch

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I’m working to always make both the listening experience, and the visual experience top notch.

[@tigerking3297]

I really like and have used both of these actually, I used Vileplume in my successful Emerald nuzlocke and used a shiny Victreebel in my Lets Go Eevee playthrough.

[@kennystyles9690]

I am so excited for this one, most hyped I've been since your porygon playthrough. I do think victrebell will win, just cause it's faster, hits harder, and has better moves. But both are some of my favorite Gen 1 pokemon and I hope it's close

[@Nicholas86753]

As a Poison Type Gym Leader, I am endlessly happy to know that the Poison Type owns the S Tier.

[@thetallgamer7275]

Omg Scott congratulations on sponsor I've been following you a while I watch every video I can I love your content

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

Thanks so much!!

[@dwalin619]

Victreebel is my favorite of those two. Had it in my team for a while back in the day.

[@CrazyConk1]

Scott, I think you're the best poke tuber. I've been watching your videos since the star, helped me sleep after coming home after overnights. You do an excellent job and your commitment to the game and your fans is unparalleled. Keep chugging on! Thank you for helping me fall asleep and entertaining me when I'm home alone. I'm sure I speak for a lot of us when I say please don't stop and keep going!

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

I won’t be stopping. I love doing this. Hopefully more and more frequent content over the coming months!

[@vreeze33]

Vileplume actually is my favourite pokemon or maybe it's oddish. As a kid I was obsessed with moves that restored hp and since the oddish line has absorb it became a pokemon I often had on my team. Its attacks weren't necessarily very strong, but thanks to being able to heal it could deal with a lot of trainers. One of the things that I can clearly remember from playing as a kid is that I once got lost in the seafoam islands. All my pokemon got knocked out by the wild pokemon, except for Vileplume who did its best to protect me and could withstand a lot more attacks thanks to being able to heal. Eventually Vileplume ran out of pp and after some struggles it also fainted. In the end it didn't matter that it lasted so much longer and it only meant that it took longer to get out of cave, but this memory has stuck with me and has helped keep it at the top as my favourite pokemon. Vileplume is often overshadowed by other grass types, even from the same generation, but it has some unique moves have allowed it to shine for me in competitive and in playthroughs that doesn't really matter anyway. Victreebel is a pokemon that I didn't really use in gen 1. I did have pokemon blue at some point, but bulbasaur has leech seed which made it my favourite starter and much better than bellsprout. I did use bellsprout in gen 2 since you get it earlier than oddish and I didn't like removing pokemon from my team as a kid, but oddish still got a lot of use in gen 2. I never got leaf stones in gen 2 as a kid, so I still didn't use victreebel in gen 2. Since Victreebel has better offensive stats I think it will have an advantage, but I hope that Vileplume will manage to catch up in later playthroughs.

[@888Grim]

Excellent as always =) It sounds like maybe we need a Poliwhirl VS Weepinbell playthrough? Except Weepinbell starts with Growth, whereas Poliwhirl doesn't get access to Amnesia until level 41... Maybe it doesn't need it until later, and then Poliwhirl does get Bubblebeam/Bodyslam early, then Ice Beam/Earthquake/Psychic, so I honestly don't know? I also have no idea which Pokemon should VS Gloom, to me the closest match-up looks like Dragonair?

[@andreapareti324]

26:38 fittingly enough for this video, Erika's aces are almost always two members of the Oddish and Bellsprout lines together, most often Vileplume and Victreebel! Though I do agree that Tangela feels more specific to her, and it indeed becomes her ace in the HGSS rematch in the form of a Tangrowth.

[@nbonasoro]

As much as I love data and all the effort you put into the display is so appreciated, do you ever worry that the screen may start to look too cluttered?

[@ScottsThoughtsPokemon]

All the time. This is the top reason that improvements have started to roll out more slowly. I need to find ways to make the info clear and without too much clutter. I really want to avoid just trying to pack everything in screen all at once. For example, enemy stat display is possible because other information is hidden when it appears. Expect this sort of approach to be used more in the future to avoid visual overload.