Piss-Poor Ports! - Game Sack

Episode 184 - Sometimes ports of games to other consoles just don't work out as well as they should.
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[@Infindox]

Jet Set Radio is definitely one of those games I'd wish Sega would make more of!

[@nobel11]

I grew up with the N64 Tony Hawk games. I'd usually play them muted and rock my own music on my tape deck.

[@callmemarc]

That chick from Golden Axe does have a nice "back story"

[@hosebeefstick]

callmemarc There's a crack in that story, butt all together, it's still pretty tight.

[@slyguythreeonetwonine3172]

Damn it was about to comment: 12:18 Dat backstory. But this is top comment. Well done sir.

[@EhrisaiaOShannon]

Slyguy threeonetwonine Men. Lmiao. Wow.

[@michalander2131]

ba dum tiss

[@marakarthegreat]

shes also got nice milk bottles

[@lordofchaosiori]

Dang, you know a game is bad when you can't do baseball.

[@zake64]

Hey, That’s a Baseball!

[@adampowers7349]

Gotta love the 2am binge of a new gamesack episode.

[@RAZ9718]

These videos are always Quality.

[@TheChestnutBowl]

I recently learned that Symphony of the Night was originally planned for the 32X. I can only imagine what could have been. Also, I forgot about that ear-splitting Marble Madness music. Ugh.

[@CaptNRetro]

Merry Christmas Fellas! Thanks for the Early gift!

[@tetrisdave]

Merry Christmas!

[@tonk82]

This topic deserves to be a series :P

[@freexa]

Merry Christmas... from the bottom of my sack LOL

[@tetrisdave]

Merry Christmas!

[@freexa]

Merry Christmas to you too Dave! you're funny as hell. I love Game Sack lol. Merry Christmas to you as well, Joe!

[@TheIMMORTALKAHNHD]

me: sigh nothing to wa... youtube: new gamesack bitch me: thaaaaaaaaank yeeeeeeeeew! santa: bitch thats your gift.

[@sammyyo461]

funny!!

[@kadlethbelmont2522]

"Castlevania II: Simon's Quest" for the NES is to my knowledge the first metroidvania in the Castlevania series.

[@AmberShort]

I quit my music career just to watch Game Sack. 😜 Merry Christmas guys. Much love to the Sacks. See you next year. ❤

[@shadowaccount]

Amber Short i love you

[@MizfitZer0]

Amber Short you don't have a music job

[@AmberShort]

Really Adam just because you say? Ok. Then I'm going to say that you don't have a clue.

[@tetrisdave]

Merry Christmas Amber! Hope Santa brings you great things.

[@djandreal]

Game Sack? more like you're sacked xD

[@Ahmadu100]

This episode is so like "Boo".

[@baalfgames5318]

Boo! Haunted House!

[@abbafanatico]

Streets of Rage reference?

[@chanolives9048]

Skatin' to "Police Truck". That's priceless, dude. 👍

[@JeremyRutz]

Getting a new episode on Christmas Eve is a nice present! Thanks guys and Merry Christmas!

[@gatchamonster]

That Golden Axe footage was beautiful, great capture, as always!

[@CAPCOM784]

Golden Axe is one of my all time favorite arcade games.

[@whoc4r3s117]

Got to play with my sack on Christmas morning now thanks Game Sack!

[@tylerrg1864]

I love watching Gamesack!

[@jw6588]

The piss poor skit at the end was classic. You guys are like a middle-aged Scott the Woz (or rather he's a zoomer version of you dudes), and I mean that as a compliment. Your videos have gotten me through a lot of long days recently. Much thanks!

[@garou1911]

You guys always have the best shirts.

[@shadowaccount]

garou1911 I always have the best shits

[@conanrussell7458]

I do baseball! And I would also like to thank you guys for an early Christmas gift. Speaking of which, time to fire up ye 'ol Saturn for some Christmas Nights....

[@tetrisdave]

Yeah Christmas Nights. Good idea!

[@ArGame.]

I can't wait for the next game sack episode, because I LOVE watching this kind of stuff!

[@Tolman18]

Yes early Christmas gift! I'm actually working a double right now from 3pm-7am and this is literally the best surprise right now. Thank you Joe and Dave for a great year of videos and I hope you guys keep it up in 2017, after a vacation in which you guys well deserve!

[@retrogaminginsanity7585]

dreamcast version of tony hawk is best version

[@findantu]

best framerate

[@TurboNutterBastard]

It may be the best version of the game but it's still just a sloppy port of the PlayStation game, locked at 30fps.

[@LycanWitcher]

I had the Saturn import of SOTN as well, and personally i enjoyed it as an extension of the playstation version.. yes the extra loading, slowdowns, and bad graphics overall was a let down, but regardless of these issues, I liked that it was a more complete version of the PS1 version. Had extra items, extra secrets, and the extra areas.. some of these extra items and areas are present in the PS1 version but required hacking to access as they were incomplete, or removed for whatever reason from the US version (i.e. 2 extra familiars in saturn version, maria boss fight had Maria's theme music (Guardian), etc). Also the trap door and save area that leads to the extra underground garden area is present on the PS1 version if you get in there through hacking/glitching but dead ends with some glitched textures too at the save point, which points to that these levels were suppose to be in the PS1 version but weren't finished in time or cut out and the area's access blocked off. So it's nice to have them in the Saturn version, even if they seem odd or out of place due to the unique enemies and music these areas have.

[@RedRanger2001]

0:50 - Actually, Castlevania II is the first Metroidvania Castlevania game, 10 years before SotN.

[@SakuraAvalon]

I love the cheesey skits at the end! Merry Christmas, guys.

[@redjed100]

For the record, “OutRunners” is getting a (most likely) arcade-perfect port for the 3DS “3D Classics” line. Not sure if that's a consolation, but the port of “Thunder Blade” was, so...

[@GameSack]

I wish they'd port to consoles and not portables. I wanna play them on my TV!

[@redjed100]

Game Sack Fair enough.

[@0Fyrebrand0]

Don't piss in my port, or urine for trouble!

[@tetrisdave]

Lolz...

[@Jeffmetal42]

Dave be stayin hydrated! My man!

[@virustwin]

a new gamesack for Christmas! thanks guys. Merry Christams

[@NickBLeaveIt]

No need Dave, Jet Set Radio is on the Vita in full cel-shaded glory.

[@NickBLeaveIt]

And mobile, I spose.

[@yamigekusu]

NickBLeaveIt Wait, it's on the Vita? Thanks for telling me! :D I've been looking for a version of that game to play on the go

[@Nukle0n]

Contra 3 on the GBA was 10 years later, not 4 years.

[@sammyyo461]

I should write Dave's script for him........

[@03bgood]

Nukleon Unless he's talking about the 1998 Game Boy port, which actually came out in 1994.

[@michaelrmoss]

Thank you for all the high quality, entertaining content.

[@EdibleOneNine]

The 3P! Piss Poor Ports. Also Contra 3 was one of my favorites because of how its difficulty setting changes the bosses mechanics.

[@kamiboy]

Yeah, one last for the old sack this year. It's festivus miracle!

[@tetrisdave]

Next is the feats of strength!

[@g1Grangle]

This video was an entertaining airing of grievances on these awful ports. Good episode. Merry Christmas!

[@KaoRYuusha]

Merry Christmas, Joe & Dave!

[@tetrisdave]

Merry Christmas!

[@DarkGX]

Thanks for bringing me joy. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays!

[@alpha512]

What's more happy to see Gamesack video on merry xmas day!

[@Dilios_of_Sparta]

Piss Poor Ports for a Sad Sack O' Shit like me . . . thanks for the Christmas present, Game Sack!

[@logannottheonefrommarvel9917]

N64 versions of Toy Story 2 and A Bug's Life are also nerfed compared to Playstation

[@SmokeMonster]

Back from Christmas and a new Sack to enjoy. Yes!! ;)

[@trevgauntletneu_gaming]

with the exception of the dithered sprites, I happen to like both versions of Castlevania SotN.

[@trevgauntletneu_gaming]

jgfjgfify of course, everyone has their preferences.

[@DEADPOOL9AND]

Trevgauntlet It looks painful, honestly. Is like the slow motion version of Sotn.

[@trevgauntletneu_gaming]

DEADPOOL9AND I know it is, but it feels more complete imo. Don't worry, I like the PSX version too.

[@DrixxelSoft]

"Four years later, Konami decided to port this title to the Game Boy Advance ..." surely a simple spoken typo, Contra 3's GBA port was more like 10 years later (as the title screens in this very video show). Great episode, loved the topic! :) A poor port that springs to mind is Hexen for PS1. Really not a recommended means by which to play that game and one of the roughest FPSs on the console, IMO.

[@GameSack]

I'm surprised neither of us caught that. Oops!

[@DeathBringer769]

The original GameBoy port came 4 years later while the GBA port was 10 years later. You must have mixed that up when researching/writing the script.

[@docmarten8269]

Great vid. Love the passion and attention to detail. I can tell you guys really love games. Glad to see you haven't lost that passion as you've grown older.

[@frankwest6984]

A Game Sack on Friday?! What is this beautiful sorcery?!

[@def-c_616]

My recommendation, PLAY TONY HAWK PRO SKATER ON DREAMCAST the PlayStation & N64 ports both suck.

[@GameSack]

That was the second game. The first game wasn't on the DC was it??

[@def-c_616]

Yeah it was.

[@GameSack]

PATRiCKFBi MetalHead Yeah looks like it was. I never paid much attention as I considered it a sports game.

[@ThemeParkDaze]

they were both on the dreamcast.

[@mistamontiel00]

Yup THPS1 got the Dreamcast touches same chit regional nonsense , PAL version gets all the tunes lol

[@Dorelaxen]

Sega Smash Pack on the Dreamcast. The emulation is completely off. I returned it literally 20 minutes after getting it and trying out Phantasy Star 2.

[@marklinstom5145]

The music will make your ears bleed in that game.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

Dorelaxen Sega had to port the games like Sonic Team did with the mega drive sonic games for Sonic Jam on the Sega Saturn. Dreamcast only has 16 mb of ram, and only a 200 mhz CPU, it very obvious that with those specs, the DC can't handle perfect Sega Mega Drive emulation with hardware of 1997/98.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

Dorelaxen and Virtua Cop 2 is only another shitty port with Windows CE (known as the DC performance drop on many games).

[@charlesanthony6368]

thanks for the new episode guys! I loved listening to you complain for half an hour. I hope you have a merry holiday! and I also hope the guy who does ups isn't getting his ass kicked from holidays. :)

[@StormsparkPegasus]

Update: There is now a fan made update/patch for the Saturn Symphony of the Night that restores transparencies, fixes the aspect ratio issues, and dramatically improves the performance. It even uses the 4mb memory expansion cartridge to remove almost all of the loading. It's amazing what people have been able to do.

[@Vectormantudeoz]

Yes

[@TheSami12345677]

Hey Gamesack! You guys should do an episode on ROM hacks and Create your own type games! Big fan and Happy Holidays!

[@Jumpboots_Jamstrang]

Added one minute ago! Can't believe I'm late 😭 Merry Christmas!

[@christopherhorne8665]

The Master System port of SoR2 was done by TecToy in Brazil and was a direct port of the Game Gear version. It wasn't designed from the ground up like SoR1 was specifically for the Master System by Sega. TecToy has tons of games that are horrible but the master system is still being made there and is the longest production record holder for any console to date.

[@krissymarklewis1793]

Merry Christmas guys,I enjoy all your vids,thanks!

[@specknacken6507]

Silent Hill HD Collection. Oh wait...

[@thepickles8833]

no no.... that's fair. It's basically the Exodus the Destroyer of piss poor ports. Game over.

[@valletas]

@singularon1 i mean one of then said that thps5 isn't bad I really like their channel because of the game commentary on games and ports few people care about buy they really suck at reviewing

[@TheMugfaker]

US Gold were the bane of my existence as a Amiga owner back in the day. so many bad ports

[@H00ps]

the days when arcades existed to showcase what was missing from the home consoles are long gone, but man were they fun! that rush I got when walking into an arcade was the best.

[@FerrariKangaroo]

Merry Christmas guys! Thanks for the great content over the year. It's amongst the best on KZbin. Have a safe and happy Christmas

[@TheToyBoy1978]

the most disappointment i had with a port is sega touring cars on the Sega Saturn, after Daytona, Sega rally and Manx TT i wasnt expecting anything else but more of the same of sega's classic arcade action..... oh what a let down! Apart from what's wrong with the port, i have to ask, why didn't they get the actually nuts and bolts of the game working properly before they added all the Easter eggs? so many of them but on a game that's not really worth playing! I don't get the logic behind it!

[@theSato]

Starcraft 64 could be argued as a "shitty port" - although they did wonders in making a true RTS game playable on console, the massive amounts of compression on cutscenes, more repetitive dialogue from units, and generally just bad sound and video quality/resolution overall make it the vastly inferior way to play the game, even if you ignore controls.

[@jakobholgersson4400]

Not really a mad idea. All of the OG Command & Conquer games came out on the PSOne and a few made their way to the Saturn. Command & Conquer had polygon based graphics at a time when that was rare even on the PC. To my knowledge, the N64 port of Starcraft was really well received at the time.

[@JazGalaxy]

The Playstation also go an awful port of Diablo. Blizzard was really trying to take their PC success and translate it to consoles where the real money was. It wasn't until WOW that Blizzard started making the real money they deserve. The PC user base just wasn't big enough at the time.

[@pitongus]

Sato I would argue that Starcraft 64 is an amazing port given that they got it to work very well with the limitations they had.

[@Redfoxe]

I love the Ps1 port of Diablo, Becuase they dubbed it to Swedish over here. Sound so insanely corny!

[@theSato]

J.P. Czerniak It's like other ports mentioned in this video. Sure, there may be some impressive achievement to it, but it doesn't change that it is objectively, by far, the worst version of the game.

[@tcphvacr9950]

Merry Christmas guys, thanks for the early upload! Enjoy the holidays with your families!

[@worsel555]

Wow, Dave is really hydrated it appears.

[@ShadowArtist]

The Master System version of Streets of Rage II *looks* like it might of meant to be for the Game Gear.

[@rodmunch69]

More like the Atari 5200.

[@TheCraigStadler]

I'll play Devil's Advocate and say I actually prefer the Saturn version of SotN. Why? Well, I'm getting kinda musty in the ol' attic upstairs, so the game slowing down to a crawl makes it A TON easier for me to react to what's going on. :p

[@peristrojka]

Master System version of Golden Axe was completely programmed in background layers. Thus the choppiness and no sprite flicker, cause no sprites were used. They did the same with the MS port of Altered Beast.

[@IggyBlue100]

Merry Xmas and all the best to the Game Sack team!

[@UniversoAlterEgo]

if you are reading this comment I wish you merry christmas and happy new year. 😃

[@tetrisdave]

I am reading this comment and Thank You! A Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you as well.

[@cannonballkid]

Dear Game Sack, Have a merry Christmas, a happy chanukah, a crazy Kwanzaa, a tip top Tet and solemn and dignified Ramadan.

[@tetrisdave]

Same to you and a Very Happy Festivus!

[@sdgdhpmbp]

Stringer Bell It's not Ramadan, dude. Moon calendar or something, don't lose sleep over it.

[@SpergerKing]

Feats of strength! Feats of Strength!

[@blacksad23]

Speaking of piss poor ports of Jet Grind Radio. The Steam release was a disaster. It's not the somewhat shoddy textures and strange way they implemented cell shading nor the clunky controls that was the problem... it was the fact that you couldn't save the game. This was due to a spelling error in the .ini file where they wrote 'save' instead of 'SAVE.' Yup, just needed to be in all caps to work. They never patched this. Best anyone who bought the game could do was follow online tutorials on how to manually patch their own game. Hence, the leader boards are barren. And despite the underground clamor for wanting new JGR games, no one talks about the steam version.

[@rodmunch69]

What are you talking about? I was just playing the game, directly from Steam, the other day. Save support works and the graphics look amazing and it has native ultra widescreen support.

[@kevint2995]

I'm a new fan and, good job, you hooked me. I just went through the whole Game Sack playlist from oldest to newest in order. Of course, I have seen all these episodes before separately but I decided to just go through them in order so I could see them again. Now what am I suppose to do? I guess I'll just go through them again but honestly you guys could never make new episodes fast enough for me.

[@DeathMountaineersGaming]

who the fuck gives game sack a thumbs down? why even?

[@mariostein9105]

I do, because Out Run for Sega Mega Drive is cool!

[@rockman369]

Streets of rage is the best beat em up and that is a fact

[@rockman369]

Streets of rage 2*

[@ninjasec]

Great way to start my morning with coffee before work. Thanks

[@RussianRocket87]

What a great christmas gift! Gamesack in the morning makes me smiling :)

[@Lordgenome76]

I enjoyed Tony Hawk 64 despite missing FMVs. Back then, the only difference I knew about between PS1 and N64 was blood. The really annoying part about THPS N64 was having no memory ca- I mean, pak. So unless you could beat everything in one go, you were stuck at the beginning.

[@BLY99]

The PS1 had a memory card.......

[@Lordgenome76]

True, but with some N64 games you could save to the cart. So when we got a game that needed the memory card, it was a surprise rather than the expected norm. I guess the problem wasn't really the game itself lol.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

Me and Hybrid Heaven in a nutshell. By the time I was old enough to look for used Controller Paks online, my cart started freezing up on test runs very early in the game, so what's the point? Also, I was excited to finally own Mystical Ninja Starring Goemon and...I need a Pak for that too. COME ON MAN.

[@darktetsuya]

Gotta go with SEGA Smashpack vol. 1 on the Dreamcast.... you'd think emulating Genesis games on a Dreamcast would be a nobrainer? I still cannot fathom how they messed up the sound, practically ruined Yuzo Koshiro's great soundtrack in Streets of Rage II. :(

[@megaman15ish]

Merry Christmas, Game Sack!

[@charizardoreo]

I love this show Never stop what you are doing

[@astuteandy]

What's funny is the N64 version of THPS2 has way bigger multiplayer levels, like the size of the single player levels, whereas the ps1 version had heavily shortened levels multiplayer wise.

[@rodmunch69]

Why would you play it on either system when the vastly superior Dreamcast version is available?

[@heyhonpuds]

Because control pad

[@NexusVerbal]

Next episode ought to be: Piss Easy Games!

[@DouglasRRenoVideoGameReviews]

Merry Christmas guys, thanks for making my Christmas great again. :-)

[@invvaves]

The best moment in the week: a new gamesack episode!!!! :D :D :D

[@ABlob]

If you want to play Jet Grind/Set Radio on the go then just play the Vita version.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

A Blob or the original dreamcast version :)

[@ABlob]

Matias Carp16 You can take the Dreamcast on the go? Emulators don't count. .3.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

A Blob yes i will be buy a dreamcast. For me is the best console of all time. Emulators sucks just is not the same experience like you are playing on real console.

[@retroboy-fh1ji]

A Blob sorry for mi bad english i'm argentinian

[@ABlob]

Matias Carp16 Yeah, but I mean playing it on the go. Having Jet Set Radio on a handheld. Playing it in the car and stuff. The PlayStation Vita has a port of Jet Set Radio so... the Vita port easily beats the GBA port.

[@Mace2.0]

Oh, you want piss poor ports? Try Re-Volt on Playstation.

[@Physick1]

Great video as always. Merry Christmas Game Sack.

[@ej86]

Don't forget to add the VS capcom games on the PSone, like xmen vs street fighter and marvel vs capcom. As a piss poor ports it lack frames from the arcade and most importantly the tag feature. The Sega Saturn ports were far superior. Idk why these Psone ports were ever released, when they're not even close to the arcade.

[@UltraMaXAtAXX]

15:34 "Four years later..." should be "Ten years later..."

[@Andres33AU]

"I'll tell you what I think of it... it's piss poor!" also that was a fairly weak stream Dave, I'm concerned. Might have to get a checkup for that, just in case.

[@Rando1975]

I loved the overhead stages in Contra III as well Dave.

[@herbiehusker1889]

Streets of Rage 2 on the Genesis: it's like boo! on the Master System: it's like poo?

[@CoquiReploid81]

Captain America and the Avengers for SNES was a bad port of a subpar game. Every time you get hit once you fall down, unplayable.

[@firisrozley5768]

When I think abt Piss Poor Ports, I think abt Sonic Genesis on GBA, PS1 port of Duke Nukem 3D and ... ehem, Bayonetta on PS3. Good job on this episode and happy X'mas!

[@GameSack]

I haven't tried Sonic 1 on the GBA yet. Now you've got me curious!

[@King_K_Rool_]

dont go there... srsly... Merry Christmas btw guys :)

[@jusko2565]

PS1 Duke 3D is not as bad as Saturn Duke 3D though.

[@LegendarySuperMario]

As Yoshi's Island told me in door 3 of 6-8... RUN, RUN AWAY!

[@TheRetroScene]

Justin Nielsen lol I got the Saturn one and I try to sell it on eBay 3 times with a buy now of 4 pound n still couldn't sell it lol

[@AJmon]

Was beyond relieved to see that Jet Grind Radio was the Piss Poor Port as opposed to JSRF.

[@TravestyJunction]

Merry Christmas, Joe & Dave.

[@superroboted]

the Saturn version was handled by KCEN, while the PSX version was handled by KCET. KCET was the much more experienced team. Still despite the ugly graphics, I prefer the Saturn version. So much more to explore.

[@GameSack]

Yes I mentioned that.

[@davebladegun3009]

bvzxa3 Incorrect. The Saturn version of SotN was actually programmed singlehandedly by my dad. Other games programmed by my dad include, but are not limited to: Battle Monsters - Saturn Shadow Blasters - Genesis Ultraman - Super NES Super Bunghole - Jaguar Mr. Mario Man - PS4 Computer Jones - PC

[@superroboted]

Dave Bladegun it's possible lol!!

[@musicryandave]

Wheeeeelllllll Shit. I was about to go to bed. Guess I'll sleep later.

[@4starcommander]

ryan young lol same

[@dnickell92]

Stoked it came a day early. You guys rule!

[@JonathanDeane]

Awesome new Game Sack!!! *watching it now* Also Merry Christmas guys!!! :)

[@maxim5893]

Dave peed on your rug dude!

[@GameSack]

I can still smell his essence.