Ranking Our Top 10 WASTED Careers! | FULL HEATED DEBATE

[@dash3115]

Theo's football knowledge is truly awful "Gerrard won two UCL's", "Alexis Sanchez won the prem with United"...

[@wjchwf3027]

he also said Sanchez won the prem and UCL

[@ThePaynes2022]

I just came here to say the same thing. How embarrassing 🤣🤣🤣

[@shubhnegi0010]

Well Tom said he thought Bojan is Croatian and Quaresma wasn't in the euros squad, they're as bad as each other

[@S36577]

@@shubhnegi0010that’s a lot easier to make a mistake on, Sanchez winning the prem is mental

[@shubhnegi0010]

@@S36577I agree, I am not defending that, they'e as bad as each other, He named Odemwingie, berahinho etc in top 10 wasted career's ever in the World, that's mental.

[@4lj4zz]

This Theo headloss is monumental. Pitchside heritage

[@minime1233]

I read this as hair loss at first

[@harrydifelice7693]

@@minime1233same 😂

[@jackhinks6287]

theo thinking gerrard won 2 champions leagues and alexis won the prem is horrendous

[@adolf9819]

So did reev, but no one mentions that. Because it doesn’t fit their agenda that Theo is the dumbest.

[@alexmeechan9701]

@@adolf9819 there's no 'agenda' lmao Theo is the dumbest

[@_warra_trophy_]

@@adolf9819 ain't no way blud reps Theo 💀

[@Chidi_jc]

@@adolf9819he didnt

[@willridesbikes.]

Init, If you don’t know for sure why say it?🤣

[@aidenmullen4363]

I actually agree with lewis for once, Neymar should’ve spent his prime years in laliga or the premier league, he could’ve been winning better leagues and more champions leagues. Still one of the best players of all time but he could’ve moved to a better league.

[@SethRD____]

That is fair, and I think that’s a reasonable point to make. But putting him number 1 in the list of most wasted careers out of any player to ever play football is a bit much imo.

[@seongthongchuah8356]

Agree but in a different way, because how I see a footballer's career is by their legacy. Barca fans hated him for how he leave the club, PSG fans boo at him almost every game until he score or assist, his main legacy when he retired will be Brazil's top goal scorer which might be broken in next 10 years, what's his legacy after that? Being the 3rd best player in MSN. I get Lewis's point but he can't make a good argument. Also I think he has the best list, how did Tom get away with this, the comment section is the reason why Tom is getting worse and worse in the show, pamper his awful ball knowledge too much because he is not a current EPL club's fan, his ball knowledge I would argue is the 3rd best but this list is just complete shit.

[@willandrew8031]

Agreed

[@mariovinicius9829]

Doesn’t make it a wasted career tho. He literally won champions league scoring in the final, won multiple league titles, is considered one of the best players ever. He was never gonna win ballon d’or, so to say he wasted his career is absolutely crazy

[@isaiahcoley438]

His prime was at late Barca to early 2019-2020 psg

[@chloesmith3911]

Alexis winning the prem was an outrageous statement

[@RICKYAKIMBO]

I was genuinely shocked when he said that😂😂

[@lukeharkin7]

yeah wtf I can't believe they thought he won it

[@Conpne03]

With United no less 🤣

[@jackninetynine5036]

Gerrards won 2 UCLs too apparently 😂

[@mihirnaik8017]

I have to agree with Lewis, the same way we look at Mbappe now and say one day he will 100% win the Balon D'Or, 10 years ago we looked at Neymar and said the same. But instead when Messi or Ronaldo didn't win the Balon D'Or we saw Modric and Benzema (both 33+), Lewa should have and even Jorginho came closer than Neymar ever has

[@matthewmaguire2066]

Neymar came third twice bud

[@sammyquadros]

just because he didn’t win ballon dor doesn’t mean he wasted his career, how many players haven’t won it who were “supposed to win” and are still looked at as having very successful careers

[@user-io8cm4dk1f]

@@sammyquadrosit’s not about that tho, for example someone like Wes Morgan who was so average won a prem and that is an incredible career for his standards, Neymar for how good he was, winning just one CL and only two league titles in a top league isn’t enough compared to what he could’ve and should’ve achieved. No one seems to mention that he also barely played 50% of the games in most Ligue 1 seasons. If someone wins the prem whilst playing less than 50% of the games, people won’t give too much credit to that player. Wasted career all depends on what you achieve relative to your ability. As someone else said, the top 3 players in the world were Messi, Ronaldo and Neymar, EVERYONE expected Neymar to win a ballon d’or at some point when Messi and Ronaldo dropped off a bit, worse players managed to do that being older than Neymar is now and he’s now in Saudi. Not winning the CL at PSG whilst being the most expensive signing of all time is a massive waste. Didn’t win anything with Brazil either.

[@schwaiger1995]

@@matthewmaguire2066 Well and Benzema and Modric won it. And Lewandowski only didn't win it because of a pandemic. So Jorginho aside, all of them did better

[@schwaiger1995]

@@sammyquadros yes but again, "somewhat wasted career" doesn't mean that it was a shit career. Just that it could've been better. Be real, if you aren't a PSG fan, how many PSG games have you watched? Probably interesting CL matches but that's it, isn't it? 10 years ago, people thought he's going to be THE big thing in football. I'm talking Pele/Messi/Maradona kinda status. I personally wouldn't put him there but I want to believe that he would've gotten at least close if it wasn't for his PSG move.

[@flamesteak]

how does theo not understand the difference between potential and career? gerrard fulfilled his potential in terms of his personal ability, but his career was fairly wasted because he could have won more. anderson on the other hand didn’t waste his career because he won multiple prems, champs league and played for man united, but his potential was wasted because he won golden ball and never lived up to his expectations when it comes to personal ability. Theo doesn’t just have no ball knowledge, he lacks basic knowledge

[@davidjakobs4948]

Mate winning trophies as a subsitute (with no minutes played) does not constitute to your career not being a waste. By that logic Bojan Krkic has had less of a wasted career than Shearer, Kane, Gerrard, Lampard, Drogba, etc. You career is wasted if you didn‘t live up to your ability (rather than potential) because of poor career choices. Anderson isn‘t a wasted career because IMO he was never actually good, he was just extremely overhyped because he was a Brazilian that played for Utd. Had he have played for West Ham instead he wouldn‘t have even received 1/10th of the attention. Hence, why I don‘t believe he is a wasted talent. Gerrard, on the other hand, completely lived up to his ability and had a long and successful career. He‘s Liverpools greatest ever player FFS and he‘s only won 1 UCL and hasn‘t won a single League title. To put that into perspective, Liverpool 19 league titles and 6 UCL‘s and he has only contributed to ONE of those titles, yet he is still their GOAT. Do you know how absurd that is? Yet somehow he wasted his career. Could he have left for some other club and won more trophies? YES. But he‘d likely not be regarded as a legend for either club then, he‘d leave no legacy behind. By staying at Liverpool he has enjured he‘ll be remembered forever. The same can be said about Totti. He never left his boyhood club and in turn the man is revered as a GOD in Rome. So did he waste his career, because he could have moved to Real but decided to stay loyal? No, and I bet you he doesn‘t regret his choice one bit. Or what about Maradona? Maradona easily could have gone to Madrid or Milan or any club in the world but he decided to join a shitty Napoli side and carried them to glory by himself. Did he sacrifice trophies doing so? Yes. Was it a wasted career? Fuck no, the guy is arguably the GOAT. Just because you didn‘t maximize on winning trophies that does not mean you wasted your career.

[@buffcorrellfan738]

@@davidjakobs4948just because he was liverpool's best player ever does not instantly mean you did not waste your career. I guess you value loyalty over everything else but I value winning trophies way more, ideally with the same club but if Kane stayed at tottenham his whole career nobody is gonna say wow hes so loyal i respect him, ppl are gonna say what a waste, he deserves a trophy and should have left, even tottenham fans felt bad for him and understood that he left. Gerrard is in the same league as lampard, scholes, keane, KDB in terms of footballing ability. But his accolades are shit in comparison to the other 4. When you enter that level of being considered the top 5 prem midfielders of all time, a european trophy and multiple league titles are expected of you. One UCL and a few FAs cup is simply not enough. He deserved way more trophies and should have gotten them, hence wasted career. Imagine if messi played the exact same way he did throughout his career, had the same stats and stayed with barcelona for most of his career but never won a single trophy. Not one. The best player to touch the ball did not win a single trophy, are you gonna say he didnt waste his career cause hes a club legend and had amazing stats? of course not cause he deserves trophies. The same logic is applied to gerrard, for his calibre one UCL is not enough.

[@Damian-wr6bz]

Because staying loyal to your hometown team isn’t wasting your career. If it is worth more winning with his own local team then some club down south in London that isn’t wasting your career. That’s saying totti wasted his career

[@buffcorrellfan738]

@@Damian-wr6bz yeah i think it entirely depends what you value most. In the end roma fans value totti the most and dont think he wasted his career. However, he would be more renowned and more successful by everyone else if he moved around and won titles, champions league and other trophies. The highlight of his career is his loyalty not the fact he won anything cause he pretty much didnt. To me that is a wasted career but to a roma fan definitely not. Only your team fans will remember you if youre loyal to a team that isnt good enough to win anything but everyone will rmbr you if you moved arnd and won multiple titles, i think being loyal is overrated

[@mikesade6214]

Ok, and how doesn't you understand being a golden boy and winning because of others also can be I sign of wasting? There is 2 ways to define wasting in football: 1. Not winning enough 2. Not reaching the level you are capable of. Anderson wasted his career in one way, and Gerrard in the other way. Basic nowledge but i guess you lack it you absolute 🤡

[@Cozzman666]

Theo has completely misunderstood the list again

[@MunchyDragon]

there's always one of them at this point may as well be this weeks list contains

[@mikesade6214]

I dont think Gerrard did "waste" anything, People need to stop believe top football players compare themself, I dont think Gerrard gives a f*ck about how many titles Anderson got. I get the notion that "He could have won more in a better team", but why isnt it better to be recognied as one of the greats? Andersons potential was higher than Gerrards, Gerrard basically cared more and undisputably become the better player that everyone will remember. I really struggle to see that as "wasting a career".

[@gmcgrath123x]

Gerrard wasted his career 100% not even a debate. Never won a prem and won 1 champions league.... had he moved to Chelsea when the deal was on he wouldn't have wasted his career.

[@lickmygooch1013]

@@gmcgrath123xwinning trophies with a tinpot oil club that you don’t care about is worthless

[@gmcgrath123x]

@lickmygooch1013 right.... just ignore the point made then. He didn't win anywhere near he could have. Sure he's a club legend at Liverpool, but the rest of the country see that as a career wasted. Always shat himself for England and never proved it outside of Liverpool. If you're a Liverpool fan it's not a career wasted, if you're a neutral you look at one of the best ever players in the Premier league and he never even won it. When players like Anderson have 4 Premier league titles and he was dog dirt.

[@x83937]

Neymar shout is bang on. If you told someone 10 years ago that he would win nothing for brazil except the olympics, NEVER play in a wc semi final, finish in the top 3 of the ballon dor just twice, and have one of the most dissapointing international careers they would absolutely consider that a wasted career given his potential. And french league titles mean absolutely nothing, they bought him for one reason only to win the UCL and they got dumped out almost every year in the last 16. Amazing player but with his potential youre deluding yourself if you try and deny the fact his career has been a disappointment.

[@franciscomelo9004]

Same thing for me. Nobody doubts what he did for Barcelona and Santos and what he won with them, but because of that and because of the amazing quality that he had the expectations for him were to be just a level below what Ronaldo and Messi where, which is to win several big titles, win Baloon D´or and be the main man in a team that wins the UCL, he himself hinted that he needed to leave Barça to get out of Messi´s shadow. He did not achieve that, he had the quality for it, so it is for me a wasted career.

[@mariovinicius9829]

That’s a wasted talent not career. First of all he carried PSG to an UCL Final where Mbappe chocked, and he tried his best to win things for Brazil but the fact he failed does make it a wasted career in any means

[@x83937]

@@mariovinicius9829he carried them to a CL final where they had to play dortmund, Atalanta, and Leipzig in 1 leg ties in practice arena. Come on. Stop deluding yourself.

[@louisellerby]

agree with everything you said but he did overtake pele as top scorer of brazil so you can’t really call that “one of the most disappointing international careers” unless you are just looking at it through silverware

[@jackrodwell4967]

Reev is right. Hes not saying gerrard was a bad player hes simply saying for how good he was, he could have moved to a better club and won more. Career is different to ability.

[@ozxyuk3624]

Recognised as one of if not the best English midfielder of all time the fact he didn’t win much and has that much recognition shows he didn’t need to go to a different club these lot waffle pure shite haven’t got a clue on ball

[@jackrodwell4967]

@@ozxyuk3624 you are falling for the trap like theo did. Its not most wasted potential its most wasted career. Stevie g most certainly didn't waste his potential because he's at least top 4 best midfielders in prem history however he could have moved to a better club like Chelsea or man utd and won more. Career is different to ability as I said before

[@ciarankelliher7133]

Hes had a better career than all klopps players

[@Labcabincalifornnia]

@@ozxyuk3624would you not agree if he went Barcelona he’d be considered on the the best players ever

[@obida_pepega2145]

@@ciarankelliher7133klopps players have more prem titles than gerrard 🤷‍♂️

[@1Freddy1]

Mad how Lewis had the best list

[@schwaiger1995]

I agree on the Neymar take. He will still go down as one of Brazils greats, obviously, and I respect the attempt of doing his own thing at PSG. That being said I think he would've been a more legendary players if he either stayed at Barca or moved to any club that isn't PSG. Let's be real, he wasn't overshadowed by Messi, at least not by that much. Everyone knew what a brilliant players he was. Barca would've probably been more stable between 2015 and 2020 because they wouldn't have bought flops like Coutinho or Dembele since they didn't need to replace Neymar and him and Messi with a stable Barca team could've easily won another CL or two. All speculation of course but his move to PSG did him no favor when it comes to legacy. 10 or 20 years down the line nobody will talk about Neymars career at PSG. Also Messi and Ronaldo weren't even the main competition of Neymar for the Ballon d'Or in the last couple of years anymore. When it was his time, he was outdone by Modric, Lewandowski and Benzema, all of which were never considered to be future Ballon d'Or winners like Neymar was 10 years ago.

[@hao2000ki]

tbf i think messi still would've won the ballon dors that he did even if neymar stayed in barca and won 2 or 3 more ucls with them. looking at that 2019 ballon dor win, neymar hasn't had a season like that messi season ever and would've been outshone by him anyway. 2023 was world cup year and argentina winning the wc would've gave messi the ballon dor anyway. 2021 was the year that you could definitely argue against messi, but then barca winning the ucl would've just given messi an even bigger chance to win the ballon dor because he would have that copa america over neymar. then the years messi didn't win, 2018 was also a world cup year and assuming barca wins the ucl that season, messi probably wins the ballon dor that year as well if neymar doesn't have more goals. 2020 covid no ballon dor. 2022 benzema was the only exception and the only reason benzema won that ballon dor was due to madrid's ridiculous ucl run, so if barca stops madrid from winning, then maybe if neymar scores more than messi? like the only realistic chance would be the 2022 ballon dor if neymar carries barca to a ucl, but then that assumes he would take over from messi in barcelona and messi would start playing support for him and another fast striker up top. it definitely could happen as messi started playing deeper in psg as well and relied on neymar and mbappe as outlets for goals but then you are assuming neymar would be lethal enough last an entire season scoring a boatload of goals. so basically the only way for neymar to win the ballon dor would be for him to be in his 2022/23 season pre-world cup form for the entirety of the 2021/22 season and beat real madrid to the ucl that year. you can defnitely argue for, let's say, this season if he was to still play for barcelona considering neymar is still 32 and messi's basically semi-retired with every other club in europe looking shaky right now, but otherwise, he wouldn't really have a chance.

[@Aidanjermane]

Nah that meltdown was pure cinema, Tom telling Theo to relax. Theo calling Tom a little boy. Lewis laughing in the background and Reev just looking between the two lmfao

[@Js-iu7nr]

Bowden is correct on Neymar. Neymar could have been a great, spent all his prime at a poor league and won nothing international. His career effectively finished at 22/23

[@alexmeechan9701]

His career finished when he joined PSG.

[@malakai0321]

I agree I think even Suarez said that if Neymar stayed at Barca he would’ve accomplished so much more

[@mirkostefani6327]

By this logic all Brazilian striker have

[@immanuelileso3240]

are u stupid?, won nothing international. Carried his country to win the olympics and the confederations cup. Google is free bro. SMH

[@Joey2701]

Neymar definitely is a great.

[@craigturner1748]

Torres, is an abysmal shout, scored over 300 career goals. Won 2 Euros and a World Cup, a CL, was unreal for Liverpool and Athletico for at least 8 years. He peaked sooner but come on.

[@wahabno2792]

Not even peaked sooner he just got injured before he even got to Chelsea terrible take from the lads

[@choiceda5920]

@@wahabno2792 the idea that Chelsea ruined his career is complete myth. He was way off form before that

[@darraghmaguire7319]

can we talk about how lewis was the first to agree with reev on gerard but once shearer is mentioned his whole narrative flips?

[@kieranfoster2734]

He said ‘I’m a Newcastle fan of course I’m gonna say shearer didn’t waste his career’ to be fair with him

[@Callumjmc2002]

Theo said shearer didn’t win anything even tho he won the premier league aswell😂

[@isaacfarmer8315]

Theo saying ‘Alexis probably won the prem with United’ and Reev just going ‘yeah’ has completely spun my head

[@manzilla48]

Love this show but the ball knowledge is awful sometimes

[@idkm8382]

podcast idea: put 4 blokes in a room who like football but no nothing about football and let them shout at eachother

[@fitzfitzchivalry4538]

Why are you watching it then?

[@Huncholini]

*know *each other

[@harveycox7516]

sanchez winning the league at united? gerrard won two ucl with liverpool? great takes as usual

[@prodempt5590]

He's in the multiverse

[@Joey2701]

Why is no one in the comments talking about theo saying Fernando torres??? He’s universally regarded as one of the best strikers of his generation and won 2 Euros and a World Cup and a champions league and multiple Europa leagues. Also scored the winner in a euros final and won a golden boot at an international tournament. 40 goals in 110 games for one of the best national teams of all time (Spain 08-2012).

[@logangilbert8952]

theo’s defence response was alexis sanchez won the premier league?? man he gets rattled very quickly

[@MrReeealist]

Alexis Sanchez never won a PL though?

[@calumhughes5072]

@@MrReeealist exactly

[@jonathonrhule144]

Can't believe I'm saying this but I agree with Lewis- Neymar should've done far more in his career than he did. He obviously had a good career, borderline great but he had the potential to be solidly top 3 player of all time. unreal ability, unreal stats at Barca, but he spent most of his career in PSG, where they didn't achieve the one thing they wanted, even losing the league to Monaco and Lille in some of his years. If he had stayed at Barca, he might've won 10 la ligas, more champions leagues. imagine if MSN could go up against that unreal Madrid team and battle for the champions leagues those years English clubs and Bayern were terrible. Could be talking about an entirely different career. I respect him for taking the jump to Paris but it ultimately didn't really pay off like he thought it would.

[@tadeassrobar3527]

Lewis was right about Neymar btw. It wasnt great time to leave a treble winning team. Defo was a brave decision but it didn't work out and thats where his career ended sadly. Only way from Barca is down.

[@lewiswells6002]

How fucking thick are these Alexis winning the prem fucking hell

[@Ricky-de1np]

the neymar shout is actually the best one, he fell short of where he should’ve been

[@dankke19]

Neymar is a good shout if we base it off of the "trophies" thing, he moved for 220 million and didn't even win a champions league or any individual trophy like he should have.

[@craigturner1748]

Neymar hasn’t been near a Ballondor since 2017, where before he was usually in the top 3, he sort of lost relevance as one of the best players in the world when he went to PSG. He also went from getting 40 goals in a season at Barca in a tougher league to rarely getting 20 in all comps in France, how falling out of relevance at 25 can’t be seen as wasted career is beyond me. They all said he failed.

[@LeemoFooty]

To be fair - if Theo said Steven Gerrard they would have absolutely ripped into him 10x more than they did to Reevo

[@EthanS95]

Yeah because Theo would give a stupid reason, there is no agenda against theo, he creates his own Ls by just saying dumb stuff

[@wvg5409]

Haven’t even watched yet but can guarantee that melt Bowden has a stinker

[@jonnybrown3465]

Theo the melt this time

[@efcjohnboy5927]

Bowden’s list was easily the best. I hated them all slating the Neymar pick the end, I think he has a valid point

[@utld____]

The borders/everything taken into account for the list are : - how they done in their career - the possibilities of where they could've gone - their ability at their peak - loyalty won't always be credited - players whom had peaked towards the latter stages don't really count on the basis that bigger clubs wouldnt spend. 10. Harry Kane (the reason he's number 10 is on the basis he could possibly now more than ever win a trophy or some form of silverware than add to his status as one of the best strikers in modern football and one of the more complete players we've seen.) 9. Dimitri Payet (Controversial opinion however, he easily had one of the most entertaining individual seasons in the modern Premier League era. He then was homesick, left back to Marseille and never really was the same phenomenon we once witnessed in the Premier League.) 8. Phillipe Coutinho (at one point of the best Brazilian talents in the world at the time and the driving force of Liverpool's team when everything wasn't going right. The catalyst and the player who happened to be the domino to start the Liverpool Era with the move to Barca which proved to be a mistake. ) 7. Paul Pogba (one of the most polarizing characters in football, at the peak defensively solid and a multi mixed of a 8 and 10 with hints of a 6. Moved to united and never really could fit into a club with a lot of turmoil.) 6. Fernando Torres (sacrificed his career as one of the deadliest strikers to become a World Cup Winner. Aggrevated injuries in all fairness killed his career sooner than what we had hoped for El Nino. And was rushed to come back when it was obvious he wasn't at his best.) 5. Oscar (was apart of that Confederations Cup 2013 Brazil team as well, with Phillipe Coutinho and Neymar. Was compared to the likes of Kaka but because of the dying role of a Number 10, was never really able to adjust to the international stage post 2015 and moved to China and is still there.) 4. Marco Reus (easily one of my favorite players I've ever gotten to watch as a child and now adult. sad that he never got to reach to the heights of world cup champions. he's body couldnt, injury prone but when not injured was easily one of the best players in Bundesliga. Loyalty killed his career as well. Had the opportunity of moving to a bigger club like Barca or Bayern but chose the club that chose him.) 3. Francisco Totti (a club legend. The poster boy for the giallorossi. Through and through bled the orange and red. He was never a gun man, the false 9. Loyalty made his career but Roma fans wouldve allowed him to leave and come back. Roma fans are understanding and probably the most loving fanbases I've ever seen. I wanted Totti as one of the first names people throw in for best players we've ever seen. He gave everything to Roma, sad that he wasn't rewarded as much as he should've. 2. Steven Gerrard (same with Totti, and Marco Reus. The Liverpool man. Loyalty is amazing but sometimes you're forced to do uncomfortable things for the greater good of your career. Henry did it to win the champions league. So if Gerrard would've done it for a trophy he shouldn't be criticized but commemorated. Leaving for a better club to come back with a mentality of winning everything motivates and cultivates a team to a brand new level and Gerrard could've done that. That would've killed the conversation on who's better between Scholsey, Lampard and Gerrard or at least, make it purely Gerrard and Scholes because of trophies. 1. Neymar Junior (easily the most polarizing character in football. the whole PSG situation has caused such a stain on his career as a whole. The off the pitch antics. the playing style which he plays is viewed as risky and wild. players are not really allowed to express themselves. The football which neymar plays makes it obvious that he would get tackled on a regular basis. He was even quoted as saying "I dive in order not to get an injury". The move to PSG to step out of Messi's shadow is understandable, however the price is still so ubsurd to me. I could go on for hours on what could've should've and would've done but it's done. And I appreciate for neymar blessing us with his football style which became a dying breed.)

[@tommyhogg1371]

As a Newcastle fan I can understand the shearer shout, the fact he could have gone to Man Utd TWICE and didn’t go and spent 10 years at Newcastle is mental

[@jackmurphy2715]

I understand the gerrard argument in that he couldve gone to Chelsea and won more trophies, but then surely you have to have shearer and kane on your list who went to Newcastle and stayed at spurs but never won anything

[@nathankennedy3927]

Real madrid wanted him

[@nathankennedy3927]

won the UCL the right way tho

[@andrebastos8889]

as a Brazilian, I cannot disagree with Lewis on the Neymar argument. Neymar is perceived as a loser in Brazil. His only accolades for the Seleção were the Olympic Gold and the Confederations Cup (which doesn't even bloody exist anymore). We won the Copa America he didn't play in, the next time he played, we lost to Argentina (Messi's first ever international trophy). Was a worldwide joke in the 2018 World Cup for his diving. The closest he came to becoming a hero was the Croatia goal, which we all know how it all ended. Don't get me wrong, I fully know he isn't at fault for his career not being as good as it could've been. So so many injuries ruined his potential success. In 2014, he got snapped by Zuñiga and let down in the 2020 UCL final, when the entirety of Brazil was rooting for him, he was also always so unlucky. For me, ending his career with that single UCL with MSN and a bunch of nothing league titles with PSG (many of which he spent most time injured for) simply aren't enough for Brazil's biggest talent since Ronaldinho. His most successful stint will always be Santos to me

[@harold5737]

sanchez has won a PL at united when he signed in 2018??? theo has negative ball knowledge

[@ThisSideOfTheDoor]

Eh fk off, the highlight was Reev's worst Gerrard shout ever

[@user-rh1iv7yp2c]

How they saying Sanchez won the prem at Utd?😂

[@C-OBrien]

Look I don’t have great ball knowledge outside of my team but surely anyone who’s been watching the sport is aware that Sanchez didn’t win the prem and gerrard only won one UCL

[@mirkostefani6327]

You know is gonna be good when is lewis turn and there is 15 minutes left

[@Jhr2244]

Reev: hazard isn’t a wasted career he’s a prem great or something Also reev: gerrard

[@keshavviswanathan4623]

Hazard won the prem tho

[@Jhr2244]

@@keshavviswanathan4623 kolo Toure is an invincible…

[@keshavviswanathan4623]

@@Jhr2244 yes and he didn't waste his career, just his potential

[@bodyconcept2054]

Gerrard is not a prem great, he hasn't won the prem. To be considered a great at something, ie, to be considered the goat, you need to win the world cup. To be considered an EPL great, you need to win it. That's why Gerrard will always be one level below Lampard, scholes, de bruyne, hazard, salah and even Rodri now for that matter. To sit at the table of greats he needed to win the EPL. Unfortunately Gerrard 100% wasted his career. he should have been sitting on the table with Modric and Iniesta, yet the only thing he has to show for his career is a UCL and loyalty. He may not have wasted his career in his eyes or the eyes of Liverpool fans, but he can't be considered one of the greatest in the premier league, simply because he hasn't won one. Likewise how Harry Kane can never be in that discussion. Gerrard should have 2-3 UCLs and atleast 10 league titles with some 3rd and top 10 Bdor finishes. Yet he chose loyalty. Respect, but that's a wasted career right there.

[@bartvandeperck90]

Yes, Theo, you are losing your head there. It really annoys me how someone who thinks Gerrard won 2 CL and Sanchez won PL with United and who's conversational skills come down to 'keep shooting the same argument while others are trying to explain you haven't understood the assigment", is genuinly a professional podcaster :/

[@Pope_23]

At this point theo has solidified himself as an idiot, massive liverpool fan but gerrard could of moved to chelsea/united/even real? But he sacrificed that to become a legend of his boyhood club rather than chase trophies. Although i disagree with tom and reeve i agree the fact that he could of gone on to have the trophies to solidify himself as an all time legend of them game, more so than he already is.

[@andrewwright4195]

Gerrard won everything with liverpool apart from the league but he had miles better career than kane and son put together

[@andrewwright4195]

@@JaiAnt-ui7ip that isn't a major trophy

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

You have to be mental to think that Gerrard wasted his career, fucking hell

[@ConnorTaylor93LFC]

Winning 1 CL at your boyhood club is worth more than multiple trophies elsewhere. Absolutely nowhere near a wasted career, it should be celebrated that someone put his loyalty ahead of money for a change.

[@andrewwright4195]

100% and the only player to score in every major final

[@theomitchell-clark6712]

I agree with Neymar

[@Catusjack38]

Tom wasted his career being a KZbinr, he could of been a worker at my local Thai massage parlour

[@kingluis6360]

What a massive contradiction to have Gerrard here for not moving from Liverpool (where he won trophies) to go to Chelsea. But have Torres on the list for leaving Liverpool (where he won nothing) to go to Chelsea and win the biggest trophy in club football, as well as others.

[@Wonderlands12]

I was thinking Mason Greenwood (he literally threw it in the bin, lit it on fire and then tried to save his career), Neymar (He should have gone further) and Mbappe (Currently undecided, but wasting away at PSG

[@joepoppleton7614]

Saying that someone “wasted their career” based purely on trophies is an absolutely terrible take.

[@rhys5814]

Thinking that every top player should have moved to united to win 10 prems or they 'wasted their career' is a joyless way to think about football

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

Facts, not every top quality player should have won 10 prems at the same club 😂

[@Han150995]

it’s actually painful watching Theo misunderstand things so badly week after week 😂

[@tommyhogg1371]

Lewis saying he’s got ball knowledge knowing Bojan played once for Spain yet didn’t know Jackson Martinez

[@Grogio]

How did that Sanchez comment pass 😭

[@tonikross7014]

Theo has finally cracked 😂😂 love how he just sits there googling everything

[@pfft5795]

There's a video about Neymar titled "The prince who never became King", I think you lot should watch it. It perfectly explains how Neymar wasted his career. You could easily use the Gerrard explanation for Neymar as well - did this, did that, but should've done a lot more, that's what a wasted career means and Neymar was supposed to rival Messi and Ronaldo, but never even got close to it. Left Barcelona cause he was being shadowed by Messi and ended up being shadowed by Mbappe. If Mbappe ends his career at PSG winning 25 titles, that would be seen as a wasted career, because he's supposed to achieve much more.

[@courtygaming3785]

Dk why Theo got so annoyed Tom legit disagreed w reeves point 😭😭😭

[@gamerpanda90]

And i think the stupiest thing said in this video is easily theo saying neymar is one of the greatest olayers of all time........not even close, not even top 500, so many better players who werent just showboat ponies dominating farmers leagues, heck, without being part of the best barca team of all time he wouldnt even haveva ucl to his name, he never reached the heights he should have so he did fall short in his career

[@owenfaul3921]

The fact Pogba isn’t in there is wild

[@jakobyoung5375]

Thats more wasted talent tho he played for 2 of the biggest clubs in the world and should have won more but he let himself and the club down by not trying and having a bad attitude

[@jacob4690]

He won the World Cup you fool

[@MrUmpalumpa99]

Neymar 100% failed to reach his potential. He was touted to compete with Messi & ronaldo for the top individual awards for years & be in the conversation with them but he never did & now he’s put in the same bracket as hazard, bale etc. He still holds the biggest transfer fee & his time at PSG was a huge flop

[@howard9653]

They are spot on with Gerrard he wasted his career at Liverpool. Its like Kane at Spurs

[@EllisCarver]

No it's not. Liverpool won a FA Cup and UCL. Kane won nothing.

[@howard9653]

@@EllisCarver it's similar... Gerrard could have won those at Chelsea but also won multiple prems

[@andrewwright4195]

​@@howard9653he loved liverpool scored in every major final something kane knows nothing about and dragging liverpool again kane knows nothing about he had miles better career than son and kane put together

[@TheMaxisgone]

I personally think a career can be judged more than just medals, not many people created a legacy like Gerrard and single handedly dragged Liverpool to two finals, for a boyhood Liverpool fan I think becoming the clubs greatest ever midfielder is enough to say he by no means wasted his career

[@andrewwright4195]

100% i loved every single game he played and turned up in every major final too

[@enocescalante4859]

I’m barely at 6:43 into the vid and Theo already dropping the most horrendous takes on Alexis winning a prem with utd😭

[@Young_Brumm15]

I'm not mad at the shout Reev made about Gerrard wasting his career. I will say that Stevie G was a phenomenal player, helping Liverpool win the Champions League in 05, and winning them 2 FA cups and 3 League cups. However, he never won a league, despite the massive amount of talent that he had. If he had gone to a Chelsea, when Jose Mourinho was there, or to Man United, with Alex Ferguson, then he would have had more league success. Theo saying that because he's a club legend he should get a pass is a disingenuous argument. Heck, Paolo Di Canio is a legend at my club, West Ham, and he got us into the Europa League when we were a club that wasn't even worthy of being in that competition. But I wouldn't say that he didn't waste his career. I know that it's not an exact comparison, because Di Canio was not on the level of Gerrard, but saying that he's above criticism because he is a club legend is wild.

[@ImagineWagons99]

I think they need to sit down and discuss the brief before hand. No one is singing from the same Hymn sheet here

[@geographygreg1091]

If Gerrard is in Reev's list then why isnt griezmann, reus, zola in it if all he is basing it on is not winning the league

[@Duval-In-The-Wall]

These lads are mental “Wasted career”- Steven Gerrard and Alan Shearer Basically the “they should have signed for United” 😂😂😂

[@ian8745]

Gerrard should've signed for Chelsea but I get your point

[@gamerpanda90]

Its quite simple theo, anderson overachieved because hes a terrible player who got lucky having teammates help him collect prem medals, stevie g was one of the best ever who had a good career, but my word if he went to chelsea his trophy cabinet would have looked like rysn giggs, and adriano by reev was a great shout, everything theo said was the stupidiest stuff ive ever heard

[@Js-iu7nr]

Everyone saying mbappe is wasting his career at psg, it’s not that wild to say Neymar wasted his prime years there

[@adiyabdullah6184]

13:53 On this standards that Gerrard wasted his career then Totti , De Rossi and Harry Kane wasted their career ….

[@walsh632]

Good shouts tbf But Gerrard still could have had a better career

[@jayxff17]

i agree with the neymar shout

[@jwl5498]

Honestly lads. Compared to a lot of other “podcasts”, you’re one of the more enjoyable ones. A lot of banter. A lot of good debates. But honest to fucking god stop fucking shouting and screaming. Usually you lads are shouting but this was fucking screaming. I think you guys are quick to forget you’re still a podcast and I wouldn’t be surprised if you’re absolutely fucking losing viewers because of the ridiculous volume that comes out of Theo’s moth. Probably alienating yourself on all other platforms because I can tell you for free it’s only fucking bearable listening to you most of the time because of KZbin. Having it visually makes it somewhere manageable. There’s absolutely no fucking way this is survivable through headphones just chilling

[@SonOfSassy]

Theo is done with his ball knowledge after this 😂

[@tiesvanharen4566]

A few things: - Theo does not get what the list is about, and does not listen when it’s explained. Gerrard is a perfectly valid name, same for Shearer - Reev and Tom are stupid for not applying the same rules to Gerrard and Neymar. A player with his potential Should have won the Ballon d’Or and more CL’s. By going PSG (and because of injuries) he did not. Wasted carreer in my opinion

[@Harryyy2121]

Gerrard as a wasted career is probably the worst shout in the history of anything ever

[@thomasparsnips7438]

If he left Liverpool he would’ve won everything. That was their point. I really don’t understand how people aren’t getting this 🤣

[@countingcards1208]

@@thomasparsnips7438he won everything except a league title though. Took a bunch of bang average squads to win every trophy except one, hardly wasted

[@thomasparsnips7438]

@dragonballfanscantread2383Agreed. That’s not the point though is it. Gerrard has exactly the same career as Jamie Carragher, telling me he couldn’t have done more? Point is he could’ve done so much more if he’d left. Doesn’t make him a bad player

[@thomasparsnips7438]

@@countingcards1208I don’t think it’s wasted, but it’s wasted in the sense that he could’ve won more. My bro won the exact same as Carragher but was 10x the player.

[@1manning9]

Won the CL for the club that he adores and is arguably the greatest PL midfielder ever. Even if he did play for a better team, the trophies won would mean nothing in comparison. Loyal Legend. Theo W for a change

[@danialiman8431]

Theo’s football knowledge is shocking 😂

[@hamzaesat4085]

1. Shearer - could’ve won treble 2. Torres - Chelsea :( 3. Gerrard - too good for Liverpool 4. Alexis - Man Utd curse 5. Courinho - Barca curse 6. Adriano - off field problems 7. Ibrahimovic - never solidified himself at one club or won in Europe 8. Balotelli - loves partying too much 9. Gascoigne - health issues 10. Oscar - money over legacy

[@proco7794]

shearer won the prem with blackburn 4 years after they were promoted and 4 years before they were relegated

[@hamzaesat4085]

@@proco7794 he could’ve won 10 more Prems if he went to United

[@adamclayton6975]

Ibrahimovic is one of the most decorated footballers of all time and has over 500 career goals…shocking take

[@hamzaesat4085]

@@adamclayton6975 all that and zero UCL and not even close to winning 👍

[@solidcontent1290]

Sanchez winning the prem and Gerrard 2 UCL are bad takes yes, but Anderson wasted his career for sure. He stopped playing in Europe at 25, went back to Brazil.....

[@walsh632]

Anderson is a very bang average player. The fact he won 4 prem trophies and a champions league means he didn’t waste his career it was a very good career for a player of his talent. You don’t understand ‘wasted career’

[@INoley19]

The football knowledge on this show is abysmal. It’s actually depressing that they have such a big platform all because they have the right friends

[@schwaiger1995]

You don't have to watch it, mate. They've a big platform because they're entertaining. People aren't here for indepth football knowledge, so get a grip.

[@craighorne1996]

neymar, r9, ronaldinho. all wasted careers a wasted career is someone who didnt win what they could have with their ability, all of them have had short careers and won far less than they could have done

[@walsh632]

100% they completely missed

[@ianwathuku1870]

Reev actually cooked with the Gerrard inclusion. Also adding Harry Kane to support his argument is smart 👏👏

[@Jovannyleon10]

Lewis’ Neymar shout is actually one of the best in this video. He had the potential to become one of the all time greats and instead spent most of his career in Ligue 1 where he could give 50% and still win the league. He also never won the UCL which is why he signed there.

[@MrUmpalumpa99]

I actually think Theo going in so hard & milking Lewis’s Neymar shout is because Theo gets stick all the time for his way off opinions so just wanted to vent & single out someone to deflect on how bad his choice was

[@gamerpanda90]

Finished the video, reevs list was the only good list,but shearer and gerrard could have done 10x more with their careers, and that was the criteria for the list

[@thebigeasy87]

Jonas Hector. Rumoured to join Barca, Liverpool and Bayern and Dortmund. He was a regular starter for Germany (43 caps) but refused to leave his boyhood club of FC. Köln even through relegation.

[@kenlauder-qi3rc]

'Sanchez won the premier league at united' is a horrendously bad statement

[@chrisfairfield1198]

“So you’re saying loyalty is worth nothing in football” -- “yeah”😂😂😂

[@liamjones5532]

Oh my god Messi did not go to psg at 31 🤣🤣 the amount of howlers in this episode that don’t get pulled up. Stinking 30:58

[@Kornel_G08]

The fact dele alli isn't here is a crime

[@dannymason5873]

Mitrovic to Saudi! Absolute waste of his prime years to play in front of 600 people! Embarrassing

[@OliverPhythian]

Theo Baker having a podcast on football is honestly unhuman

[@gmcgrath123x]

It gives me hope that I can achieve anything watching this clown have a football podcast.

[@cGhostsVisuals]

2:42 Jackson suffered a severe knee injury as soon as he joined Atletico Madrid that literally ended his career. Not the same as flopping tho, didn't even have time for that as Atletico immediately sold him 6 months later to mitigate any losses

[@AlbeeBarrett]

Theo interpreted that question completely wrong, his list and also his argument against gerrard make that clear

[@Casper__19]

Growing up looking up to a team then going on to wining champions leagues and cups with that team is definitely one of the most recognizable things you can do Gerard definitely had an outstanding career

[@Leohotwheelkid]

Stan Collymore because of his depression, suprised how nobody said Jack Wilshere and Max Meyer

[@cantbefilmingmebrutha8538]

I don’t think gerrard had a wasted career. He’s gonna remembered as a club legend and will have his name in the history books, unlike people like Anderson who’ve won a lot. Your career doesn’t need to be defined by trophies. However I don’t like agreeing with Theo cos he is a massive spud

[@charlieallingham8275]

What’s outrageous is they all contradict eachother then make the exact same points 10 seconds later

[@oliverfryer1308]

I’m not sure if that stay at 28:00 by Theo is correct 😅🤣

[@OllieSach]

I do see both sides of the Gerrard argument tbf, but even as a Liverpool fan, you had to admit we majorly held him back. The guy dragged us to trophies, still the only player ever to score in every final he played. If he’d left for a top team he’d be the midfield goat no doubt

[@NLGNATHAN]

Partially agree with the Gerrard shout and also disagree, he could have left and won more…. But. He also Won pretty much everything else except the league and become an absolute legend for his boyhood club, so it’s definitely debatable.

[@josephsimpson2651]

and Theo always saying "if I said that I would get crucified" is soo old now

[@dhruvd247]

I know I am late to this but saying Gerrard wasted his career is like saying Ronaldo wasted his career because he doesn’t have a world cup

[@edenjorginho8604]

well no because Ronaldo can’t change his country can he

[@dhruvd247]

@@edenjorginho8604 loyalty is not of any value to you?

[@GeorgeJ-2023]

The cheek of Theo calling Tom childish after literally loosing his rag like an actual child🤣

[@lucasguzzy9607]

saying Gerrard wasted his career by staying at Liverpool his boyhood club is horrendous come on reev he's still the best midfielder in premier league history cause if that's how you look at it Kane wasted his career even more, shearer aswell, Totti aswell and so on