Planetside 2 lost almost half its players in 2 months

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[@LudicrousTV]

Just a heads up on Spawn Beacon's, we used to have the Promote Me hotkey to rota beacons between the squad, which was always the way originally prior to them allowing anyone to place a beacon in the squad.

[@KA-vs7nl]

Good im glad its dying. I played on ps4 and had a great time, going to pc ps2 is horrific.

[@loshermetos]

Simple Solution in 2 steps: 1: Shrink the deploy exclusion zone of the Sunderer by half, so more Sunderers can be deployed closer to each other. 2: Put Wrell on the Battlebit Dev. Team.

[@Hitomaru-shiki.sensha]

isnt just bringing more sundys enough

[@HFTVChannel]

Battlebit as fun as it is , many times gives me more nostalgia for PS2, it might be a stretch or copium , but I think eventually we will bounce back with more PS2 players as people shine light in "battlebit alternatives" in a few months down the line

[@ZealousVidya]

Yeah I can see that happening tbf

[@Infernus25]

I hope so, I think some of those people will probably jump over to Planetside due to its bigger map sizes and more interesting battles

[@aUt0bAhN89]

Fun thing is, I tried battlebit, couldn't get really into it (the gun position weirds me out, stupid as it sounds) but it gave me the PS2 itch after 3 years and I have a blast. So this comment sounds valid to me.

[@tylerrichter4066]

Planetside is way more fun, I don't hate battle bit though

[@joseffranz3872]

Idk, Planetside 2 didn't ever expand beyond basic Battlefield style gameplay and its moments like this that really make me sad to see the way that game turned out. The fact that the continent shuffle meta game never changed hurts the part of my soul that loved a persistent front on Cyssor for a week with the ultimate goal of continent locking a faction to get their cool toys. So much untapped wealth and potential, you cant help but feel bad for everyone but the arrogant devs at the highest level that just had to ride BF3's coat tails instead of making a good, large scale FPS game with persistent battles. Planetside 2 is just Battlefield/Battlebit with maps that dont serve the gameplay well at all.

[@xmaxdamage]

the game is too hard for new players and with no new players the game is dead. I don't know how to change this because the skill based combat of planetside is what makes it unique, but it is what it is

[@robin6728]

Skill issue for new players is real. I always wanted to play this game but never had the right set up for it till like a week ago. The first thing I did is get this game. But my KDA is like a negative cause I’m lvl 7 facing off against max lvl veterans lol

[@Infernus25]

I wonder if you could give new players a higher health pool or something from BR 1 - 25 or something like that, which would help keep them alive a bit longer and balance out some of the implant boosts and better weopons more experienced players have acess to

[@trloyalsoldiernotatraitor]

@@Infernus25 For sure a bad idea, as some farmers would abuse it with new chars. Buffing deployed sunderers spawn would help it in some way as me and other people describe but imo the most important think would be for devs to put more trust to player base by revamping the 'mentor squad' idea. E.g. players in TR Cobalt still get insta-invited to zergfit 3EPG and run in random squads. In general people don't leave their squad when they run in other place while they cannot be invited by another squad which is closer to them. There should be some override option. The whole squad UI could have more 'gadgets'. Even mentor squad could have descripted waypoints for "spawn place' or 'attack place' at least, not just one.

[@Infernus25]

@@trloyalsoldiernotatraitor don't you think the annoyance of unlocking all of your items, implants, sights, armor upgrades etc, again would dissuade people enough to not build new characters to only gain those additional health benefits for a few Battle ranks?

[@MrTima999]

​@@Infernus25All the starter guns work fine and come with a grip/laser and a 1x sight. TR and VS both get meta lmgs to start with and good players farming on new accounts get leveled up extremely fast, so the 100 certs per level goes right into medkits and ability upgrades

[@lellamas2778]

I just had an idea - for attacking spawn option. Have a router "module" you place (somewhere - or into something) at the enemy base. THEN if the defenders push to said "router module" - they can overload it - and it might take 3 minutes to overload. In the meantime - the attackers can keep spawning - until the router 3 mins "overload" explodes.

[@LanzerYT]

That's a pretty out of the box idea

[@redxivmods]

Numbers also matter, if you're defending and the opposite faction has 80% of the pop of the map, there's no way in heaven you'd be able to defend it. A lot of players make alts just for the sole purpose to play different factions depending on which one is winning, making it one-sided.

[@xouri8009]

I came back after like 4 years... 1st things I noticed during the weekend: 1- hackers galore... MAXes flying around, killing people inside spawns for an hour straight... 2- "soft" hacking galore... people looking at walls, that come out aiming right when enemies come... this was really obvious watching people in my team (no, its not on minimap) 3- people get stuck in losing battles galore, and just want "farm" fights, spamming area of effect attacks, instead of flanking etc to actually push or defend. 4- I played for 4 hours, and quit again... I'll try again in 4 more years I guess

[@syrphilipgulmatico5352]

I played yesterday and VS had 3 hackers floating around and shooting through walls that is also one of the reasons people quit. This lasted the whole alert and the devs were unresponsive

[@setanta3741]

I was there too the guy floating through the floor stabbing everyone In the back was so annoying

[@VeewooTheSiren]

This happened last night on emerald was annoying af

[@syrphilipgulmatico5352]

@@setanta3741 i was on the tr side and the floating maxes were shooting us through the spawn room

[@setanta3741]

@syrphilipgulmatico5352 I was on NC I main TR but yea im thankfull I didn't face those maxes I probably would've got off the game for the rest of the day

[@syrphilipgulmatico5352]

@@setanta3741 yup i was on at that time on emerald they really need to hire GMs to take different shifts

[@rosscurry3862]

Battlebit is taking all the players. PlanetSide 2 needs to do more marketing and updates because unless you already know this game you will never see an ad

[@dylanf4576]

(PC player seeing PS2 dwindling player base) (Decides to check console room) (Finds it as barren as the PC servers) Console player - “first time?”

[@luisjosp5]

I played this game since the beta for like 4-5 years... on Connery where I had 180+ ping. A few months before quitting I found out that I had ~120~ ping on Emerald, but I wasn't allowed to change servers, and since I had pretty much every weapon & upgrade I desired on my Connery Character I thought it was too much of a pain in the ass to make that progress again on Emerald... Few months later, I quit the game cuz of the ping on high pop skirmishes got worse. If they'd allow ppl to change servers or merge them, I'd give it another shot...

[@bludclone]

I've tried Battlebit, but it doesn't hold a candle to Planetside 2 imo. To begin with, Planetside 2 just has way more content. Battlebit is also a bit too chaotic for my liking, Planetside 2 is chaotic but its more structured when you have defined territory hexes and physical spawn rooms, sunderers, routers, spawn beacons. Imo Battlebit is a bit of a clustefunk where its just control points spread over an open map with the squad spawn system. It's jarring when an enemy gets past your front lines, and all of a sudden you're getting shot by an army of dudes behind you. I also think people congregate at bases more in planetside where as battlebit ppl just break off into small groups all over the map, thats either a good or bad thing but i prefer the base style better. Battlebit does have destruction mechanics which are kinda cool but otherwise meh.

[@wolfhound146]

Yesterday I was on for a while and I don't think I saw more than 100 people on. Maybe it could have been a bit more. Though it for sure wasn't over 300. This is on Sep 27 and posting Sep 28. For those wondering about the time I played. I'm in the US Central time zone playing from..... 12pm to just after 8pm. Not really sure we can use the time argument though when we have so many other players from other countries these days.

[@lellamas2778]

Could be heat wave. People going out of their hotbox bedrooms

[@planetwomanizzi]

I feel like I'm the only Planetside player who's meh about Battlebit.

[@Infernus25]

I also don't find the mass appeal, it has the basic parts of what makes planetside good but without the other more confusing yet fun aspects

[@KrimsonStorm]

Not the only one. I hate the super low TTK, lack of unique behavior on a lot of weapons. Also, Sci Fi games really draw me in intrinsically, which BB just can't because it's 90's era weapons.

[@beanorod-zt2nl]

It's a game that's been slapped together by 3 people using aethestics that a 3 yr old could make. The other problem with the game is the hard-core moderation and complaints of censorship and banning people even for using the word retard in chat or voice.

[@Eddie2Dynamite]

​@@beanorod-zt2nlyep, that makes it a super hard pass for me. Ide be banned in a heart beat. Fuck those guys.

[@bleedrainbows9522]

As someone who played a bit a few years ago on PS4 and recently played a moderate amount on PC, the main reason I struggled to log back in is infiltrators and the map design. Some bases just feel absolutely awful to fight in with terrible sight lines and cover that lead to boring gameplay. On top of that infiltrators are just so numerous and annoying be it at close or long range that it feels like theres no correct play at any given time. Both of these combined end up making every gunfight an eye roll and a “well there’s nothing I could’ve done” situation. Just my two cents

[@MajinStrach]

Not being a shitlord, but its a skill issue that. I came off ps4'side too and i have no issues xD

[@bleedrainbows9522]

@@MajinStrach i mean, i guess. Not gonna spend hundreds of hours to get better at something that annoys me though im just gonna go do something more worth my time. Regardless of balance, annoying mechanics/interactions cause people to leave games so i dont feel as if saying skill issue really addresses the actual problem.

[@MajinStrach]

@bleedrainbows9522 I was joking with you, but you say it yourself when you say you're not willing to spend 100s of hours you don't see it as worth it. Me I played 1500 hours or so? A lot of afk time though I get things crop up during game sessions, just need to build that familiarity with pc playstyle mate! 😅 EDIT: You in a outfit? It helps a lot man, if you're solo then I see where your coming from.

[@foxman362]

Have you played planetside2 playstation 4 version onine?

[@jamesedwards3923]

There are so many options to win a fight in PlanetSide 2. That is kinda the point.

[@kuronekogamer2065]

What is wrong with underwater combat?

[@Caigul]

dont know if it could work but if they do a new game maybe get rid of separate maps have them all together with regions that give benefits for being held. this way outfits can build outpost on spots have it as a hub to get vehicles and also kinda just hangout point that they have to defend when the front line gets pushed to it. and maybe once a side holds a certain amount of land the map resets. would have every one on the same map with a front line that forces more fights. but probably out of there scope.

[@peytontanner7555]

Described Foxhole in a nutshell xD

[@jarheadjah3747]

Spawn becons were not in PS1, AV and AA actually worked a lot better in PS1 and we had jammer grenades for vehicles. And guess what? We didnt have ANY of these issues you mentioned. That lightning was taken out within seconds if it opened up on a AMS. This is the reason why we had up to 6 hr fights on one base in Planetside 1. These Devs have screwed up for years, the ANT system is a prime example, not making it so that ANTS were needed to fuel bases and not allowing the NME the ability to drain bases to neutral completely changed Planetside. They wanted Battlefield instead of Planetside, and they got it. Planetside 1 survived and even thrived in the era of Vanilla WOW!..How many games can say that? Planetside 2 is on life support and who can really say there is a need or much want for a 3. When its not broke, you dont fix it, they tried to fix it and broke it, the end.

[@shidohihiho]

Your forgetting that a bunch of PS1 devs that came from their own backgrounds, like Tribes and Everquest created an unique experience. PS2 is far far away from the PS1 vision.

[@colbymarley5190]

This mite sound crazy but what if routers were like a spawn becon that only the platoon leader could put down once every 10 minutes, just only for that platoon only or make routers part of outfit resources that you call in and retrieve like you would a vehicle call-in.

[@ElevenAce]

PlanetSide 2 has had its time. Theres too many issues with it and so many other games to play.

[@kjkeys6776]

The biggest killer of sundies is dealing with enemy vehicles and c4 fairies. If the deployment shield had a lower regeneration time and higher shield level it would help a good bit. Making it more difficult for armor to access Sunderer spawn areas would also be huge. As an engineer keeping a Sunderer alive with multiple spit fire turrets helps with the c4 fairies to some degree. Perhaps allow Sunderers some sort of automated defense when deployed.

[@Infernus25]

Ye it's a bit ridiculous trying to start fights with a sunderer and get almost insta killed by a light assault

[@mr.pickle6487]

My question is that, if you're beginning to get overpopped then often (from my new player perspective) the only way to survive is by killing the sundy and get a reprieve where killing enemies actually sticks. As someone who doesn't particularly know how tanks or aircraft work in relation to that, my concern would be that making sundies more tanky would eliminate any counterplay to getting overpopped by 3 sundies parked right outside the base.

[@Infernus25]

@@mr.pickle6487 that's a very fair concern, maybe sundries life could also change depending on a certain bases population as well, only when deployed

[@carl5381]

LAs are the biggest bs class in the game.

[@Infernus25]

@@carl5381 they should never have had gotten the rocket pod s

[@severo175]

I agree with the sundie situation. most of the bases that can possibly have a long lasting fight during off peak hours most certainly has choke points that both party find hard to get over, so everyone stays there for a very long time, but other than that I find the game less fun than before.

[@TheKodiak72]

Surprised the game is still going. I used to play when there were genuine 2000 player servers and they were full. Atleast 8+ years ago.

[@ArchangeZ]

I took a break overall, its summer, there are other games coming out, cant be there daily. I trust by the end of august there will be some double EXP summer event and people will rush back. And still, they need more ... ads, or someone big showing off Planetside. I tried getting people in and many people have no idea that the game exists, than some are affraid they dont wanna farm 1000 certs for two days (even tho its much better and u can easily get 4k certs in one day with enough dedication) or they dont wanna play on my faction (Vanu) and well its kinda rough, if its someone new, the whole tutorial thingy and those weird zombie NPCs with that weird VA are not helping, it feels like pre alpha of a serious game really, even tho the gameplay is miles above from that. And than there is the whole performance thingy. Come on, we live in 2023, and its insane u still have to manually change file parameters to achieve good performance without game looking like shit. With weaker CPUs even from 2019 its like impossible to enjoy big battles for a newbie cause they certainly gona get less than 60 fps.

[@doomster3276]

I think the players with the higher speed is the biggest problem. It is for many of my friends a one hit kill on an encounter, so they quit. I stay on the sinking ship to the end

[@badabing3391]

join combat leading you to a 80% overpop is the worst

[@hobog]

3:51 can't attack with only one sundee. It's not difficult to drive, if you hold/tap spacebar for turns

[@HansensUniverseT-A]

Well can only speak for my self, even if generally i play a lot less as i am burnt out i haven't been able to play this summer due to being busy with other things.

[@ahmetatis]

We need more faction balance in game. For example, every server have different population on each faction some of them high some of them low so i suggeste that give some buff to low pop faction and make it recommended for new player. In this way maybe some new players have more change to play game. (I think given them more exp more nanites regen. more cert untill like 25 br maybe 30br that would make happy new players and lowest population faction on server)

[@ElectricJoeski]

Can we talk about why and who decided to add the glowing visuals on routers? Feels like the feedback cycle (for whatever that's been worth in the past) for that was non existent since router spires as a whole were straight up unusable due to a bug when that was added.

[@shinjitsu6180]

I'm not a veteran ps2 player, i used to play from time to time and i recently came back to the game...honestly, my humble opinion is that sunderers should be invisible when deployed without upgrading the stealth ability...i often times try to be useful bringing a sunderer to the fight, but it's so visible that it instantly get's destroyed and, having a new account, it's too expensive for me to even think about fully upgrading a sunderer...i think that many players have the same issue, they would like to bring their own sunderers, but they just can't, as they cannot afford to spend all their certs there...just make them invisible for everybody, so that more people will be incentivized to spawn their own vehicle and they will also feel a lot more useful during a fight...

[@heythere4970]

Invisible Sundys are still easy to find. Just watch where everyone comes from.

[@shinjitsu6180]

@@heythere4970 ye that is true, but often times there's only one invisble sundy, making it very obvious where enemies are coming from, if there were multiple ones surruonding the base, it would be much harder to pinpoint the spawn location...also, it takes more time to find an invisible vehicle, wich it means that people would have the time to replace it once destroyed, because, meanwhile, people could still keep on spawning on the other ones...the way it is right now, with only one/two useful sunderers, once on of them is destroyed, the push ends...

[@heythere4970]

@@shinjitsu6180 There's no easy fix. Assume there's an even pop fight. Attackers have to defend their spawn, and defend the point. New imagine there are two spawns. All defenders have to do is b-line to one spawn, then the next, then the point. Anywhere they go they have 3:1 odds. Look up the hybrid hex video from Cyrious. Something like that so fights don't dissappear when one side wins, combined with an attacker spawn point would help a ton.

[@donaldpetersen2382]

I can't get the BB anti cheat to start, had to refund lol

[@TheVoidBeing]

On PlayStation its worse, there's only one continent and barely any activity unless you decide to just press the button that jumps you in a pod to wherever there's combat.

[@lanemccall6787]

We really need to make attacking easier with better spawn points. That's the single reason recently, there are just no good fights on the map, even during peak hours. Than after a continent locks and the game forces Oshur, I just log off.

[@gerbandeflerban6783]

Personal in non ops time I wouldn't kill sundys with a lightning but that directive demands I do.

[@comradekirby9561]

I feel bad because I don't think BattleBit is coming to PS4 :(

[@Chris_Tootoo]

Remove redeployment to the frontlines, make it so that you can only spawn at bases that aren’t connected to other hostile lattices. Make the Deployment ability for the Sundies a permanent spawn where they can’t undeploy, but make their shield pool more larger and increase their resistances, but make the undeployable radius larger so that Deployment Sundies aren’t crazily spammed and abused.

[@roidroid]

it slows the game down too much. The game promises (or at least the devs have always catered to) new players being able to get into the action QUICKLY so they dont get bored & leave. Also, don't forget that the gameplay for a significant amount of people revolves around taking advantage of inexperienced / new players. ie: farming. While the GRINDY gameplay elements persist & are rewarded, that will never change. (ie: it is very grindy to unlock everything in this game)

[@kobaltteal7139]

Yeah on Connery we haven't had a full continent unlocked in a few weeks. Its sad to see.

[@Moistened_Ewok]

After coming back from a long break I've found that I now feel arm barred into doing these stupid daily quests, I can't stand them and if you don't do them you get dicked on rewards, awful.

[@Sarlaka]

Was wondering where everyone went.

[@The_Conundrum_Crew]

It more fun to play against stuff in battlebit than it is in planetside. I don't want to be frustrated, I want to have fun. And the fun isn't entirely what I'm playing, it's what I'm playing against. Planetside 2 studio just doesn't seem to care that much about what it's like to play against things they refuse to change.

[@shidohihiho]

This is excellent! The drop is proof that the game needs a kick in the butt seriously. But hey! Tryhard outfits will continue to destroy this game. I'd say GOOD JOB!

[@Dualities]

If they would implement voice chat or made fun gamemode where people slide around the game can still comeback

[@jermu8706]

the game has voice chat, including proximity, squad and platoon voicechat.

[@spicynoodle7419]

BattleBit, the PS2 killer

[@FILRSD]

Hell no there is many options better than a Roblox with Guns

[@rookie_Nimble]

Examples?

[@seriphan399]

@@FILRSDOh, look, another person that thinks that graphics are all that matters even if the game is incredibly fun and well made. How odd.

[@syniix1916]

​​​@@FILRSDnah the lack of any decent options is the reason for its success

[@kiro-fo9qg]

Uh, no my guy. It's not on the same scale as PS2

[@ilknuribryam8035]

I play mostly infantry. Here are my 2 cents. Vehicles need module damage of some kind. Especially Harassers. Sprinting needs to be nerfed. You shouldnt be able to just run out of a full mag. Perhaps add a slow down when receiving damage, I do not know. Infiltrators need a complete rework. Light assault mobility needs rework. Have you seen an airplane hit by a rocket? They do not survive. All air has too much survivability and mobility. Tldr, new players wont play until invisibility, survivability and mobility arent fixed.

[@derth9230]

Light assault mobility as in nerf or buff? Because I main light assault as an ambusher and can go hours long sessions without getting more than 5 kills.

[@axlandgamer3332]

Big orgs need some care, of course. But if you let big orgs dictate the game, smaller ones or casuals may leave the game, because can feel meaningless. That's why I hate the lattice system, I think is a disaster because make everything too linear, favoring precisely big orgs. Today I had a fun battle in PS2 because there were a bunch of guys/girls shooting like in OK Corral and no one was deciding for the rest. And I say this while also played as a "coordinator" for the whole NC, mainly scouting the map and directing troops.

[@Rawry92]

Fix ttk, seperate infil snipers from infil cloakers, better spawn system that keeps fights on the map, IE GIVE A DAMN SUNDERER 50K HP FFS, have a voting system for maps upon being conquered, better rewards for point captures and continent victories, FIX THE DAMN SERVERS AND IMPROVE FRAME RATES. If those get fixed this game will be worthy of competing with battlebit and we can guiltlessly play both. I love the potential of planetside but i love the reality of battlebit, planetside has the faction and map progression which i simply cant live without, battlebit has smooth gunplay and awesome fights that i cant live without, and i want them both. Planetside has a special place in our hearts and everytime i habe returned to planetside i have had some hope that its gotten better, theres no point for its graphics because we all play on low anyway because if you are under atleast 180fps just dont even bother trying to be a competent player. I have 180 ping in both games and in battlebit i hardly feel it, in planetside 2 i have to aim so far ahead i may as well be sniping and leading targets with a shotgun at close range. Planetside 2 has technical problems and arent really that big of a deal to fix, but it tells me they simply dont care about us the community anymore and dont even bother taking our frustrations seriously when if they opened their eyes for but a moment they could make some serious money and be happy whilst also making us happy. Tiny friggin technical issues that could be fixed with a 1gb patch or less is too much it would seem.

[@joewozniak711]

100% correct. Prime time is just pop dump fest. I normally don't agree with most of your videos but this one is spot on.

[@magorostravsky5732]

I checked battl bits and.. im not willing to pay that money for now. Ill stil have hope something better happend with Planetside and untill than..ill see.

[@trloyalsoldiernotatraitor]

Sunderer survival: 1) Every garage gets shielded (and a cover for infantry to leave it and go to facility points) 2) More garages (as above) 3) More assets that serve as a cover for sundies or infantry and also force tanks to drive through building like in Battlebit. Both between existing assets where there is empty space but also add more. 4) Consider passive indestructible citadel shields? E.g. I suggested one to passively exist on the Oshur middle base. 5) Maybe additional layer of shield for deployed sunderer - mini citadel shield. This could be for Ability slot toggle of/on when deployed only. Or new asset - mini Citadel Shield for e.g. 5 blue but with some 15 sec cooldown and 20 weight (ofc might be abused for different strats so idk) 6) Thnk dev, think about moooooore

[@jimvonmoon]

I never liked all those "magical" spawn options - beacons, instant action, routers etc. They make logistics irrelevant, and are one of the reasons we don't see that many armor battles anymore. I'd prefer the only spawn options were bases, Sundies and Gals.

[@JohnFromAccounting]

Routers are good because you get one chance to get it down and defend it. Beacons go infinite and are far more powerful than routers were.

[@bakedveal2624]

I'm guilty of it too. Battlebit

[@ThousandTimesNo]

Planetside can loose even more and devs won't give a shit, because current meta benefits paying players. Who pays, plays the way they like to (exactly how You described) and wins. I think, right now devs know that PS2 will eventually die in near future, so they will do anything to make paying players feel comfortable in order to farm as much money as possible untill the inevitable end.

[@1roxyfan491]

Not true, but that's your opinion and I respect it.

[@mattst2717]

With the kernel level anti-cheat being implemented into battlebit, I’m hoping that the playerbase will fall off some…that includes me as I value my privacy. If the planetside devs and admins actually monitored the ingame reports as well, it would make for a better experience as there are often cheaters who fly around or use other various methods.

[@GordonSeal]

There is no kernel level anti-cheat being implemented, the battlebit devs decided against it after the community cried out too much.

[@jermu8706]

Kernel is not coming. Besides, you already use facebook so its not like privacy is a concern.

[@tylerrichter4066]

Nobody wants to hang back and defend sundies, but i usually take one for the team and defend best i can

[@fr0zen1isshadowbanned99]

The damn middle of the Map BS kills playing PS2 outside of prime time for me. At the very least they could make something like Base Alerts. So basically "lock" the whole Map outside of one random Base and change that after a 1h Alert.

[@hobog]

Need to merge connery and emerald servers asap. This gets more than one continent online and gives high pop more of the time

[@KrimsonStorm]

Everyone has said "This game is gonna kill planeside" for over 10 years. I will be honest, battle bit just has no appeal to me. The cartoonish part doesn't bother me, I never got that criticism of it. My main gripe is I do NOT like the stupidly short TTK. I think short TTK games don't give you enough time to really have an engagement, and it becomes more apparent in large scale fights. Plus, I like Sci-Fi, and BB definitely doesn't hit that itch. Battlebits moment is right now. As a game dev myself, I wish them luck. In a few months though, we will see an uptick in players again as people come home. Hopefully we see more successful updates to PS2 like fortification and with the new things the devs are doing I am curious with the direction they want to go post Wrel.

[@scromtinker7421]

I've been wanting to play really bad but since it's summer I have so much stuff going on outside, barely have time to play games even at night. Hope this game stays afloat, despite its problems its the only thing like it and really fun.

[@beanorod-zt2nl]

Sweathards unwilling to accept change killed PS2

[@ethandye8764]

I completely track on that, Battlebit is gonna murder everything... especially if they get more community servers working so more people can play. it scratches so many of the itches i kind of had to play different games to get scratched!

[@jasperedits]

I play as Vanu. Terrans are always invading our lands. Because there are many rich players in Terran republic. They can get and upgrade all powerful items. And Certs are hard to collect. I'm a new player

[@xoawolf]

Hi vet here, played since beta when we had air, ground, and infantry "nanites". I actually like water combat. Sure it's nothing all that crazy, but it doesnt need to be? I just like that its a option. Nothin is more annoyin than stepping hip deep into water, and instantly dying cause the nanites that constructed you, made you out of sugar. I also come from the OG Halo Combat Evolved, and World of Warcraft. And let me tell you, I LOVE capture the flag. It is in my opinion one of the best "game modes", as in a structured game with a specific goal. I loved Blood Gulch, and Warsong Gulch, ironically both maps with "gulch" in the name. I actually find territories/king of the hill to be some of the most annoying and boring of game modes. It's very stale, overused in modern gaming, and stagnates into "camp the point". And in the case of Planetside, it's also about how many vehicles can you get to shell the hell out of the enemy while doing so. I love vehciles too, but that is not healthy design for a game. And yes, you could argue that CTF would have defenders too. But in properly made CTF, where there are 2 flags to cap, you needed both offense and defense. Not just one or the other. The devs for PS seemed to have understood that concept as both sides want to attack and defend the flag/capture point.

[@ZealousVidya]

Bro I played the hell out of CTF in halo 1 on PC too! Super fun game mode, its all I used to play as a kid. Rocket launchers only. Super annoyed they never put that game mode in the remastered edition. Honestly most of the halo 1 maps were amazing and yeah blood gulch was deffo a fan favourite. Totally agree halo 1 did CTF 'right' and yes, territory gamemodes is like 99% of multiplayer games now, kinda annoying. For a previous CTF video, I did think about talking about having flags for both sides and even downloaded halo 1 to go through it and recorded the examples but decided it would be too much Dev time, so I left that part out and went with a different idea. Truthfully I also dont know if that type of gamemode would work with so many people on a base. Same goes for Planetside current iteration of CTF though.

[@xoawolf]

@@ZealousVidya Hell ya, Gearbox did good in that department. Also had the PC version. 👌 And while not perfect, CTF in PS is serviceable enough considering the amount of players that could be involved. The only big gripe I have with it, is that it's hard to tell when a CTF base is getting capped, as it doesn't have the traditional "countdown" on the map menu. So it's hard to get involved in them before it's over.

[@Marsupilami81]

i have no desire at all to play a game with graphics like BB

[@dragonguy5218]

Yeah i agree, the gameplay is wonderful but like really, they couldnt have even atleast idk, done the tiniest bit of effort to atleast not have roblox characters?

[@ZealousVidya]

Yeah that bit turned me off the game for the longest time too

[@ColByte]

Quality of game means nothing because of graphics? That's a shallow gamer move. What about the old, but amazing games from the past?

[@Marsupilami81]

@@ColByte i still play planetside 2, which is 10+ years old. i dont need great graphics, but BB just has none

[@thatsneakyneenja2595]

Limiting yourself based on graphics means you are missing out on some of the best games.

[@kobaltotto3252]

Battlebit!

[@user-yd8lg5ph4w]

PS2 deserves more time in the spotlight... :(

[@-.sy.5367]

I wont play until op infiltrator gets nerfed

[@CAfakmykak]

If only battle bit didn't look like minecraft, I'd play it. I feel like garbage graphics in 2023 should just not be a thing.

[@phant0mdummy]

Gameplay is more important, but I would agree they could improve the player models. That alone would improve the look, as I don't dig the lego man aesthetic.

[@federicotognoni9828]

But do you really prefer battlebit to planetside? do you really want to compare an inimitable pearl with a polygonal fps?! it's just absurd.

[@F2000GL]

The single biggest problem in planetside 2 is now it looks like mooded game so much stuff just add add add and no balance and no vision

[@slipspectrum9253]

Sundies don’t need anything but a few dedicated defenders. If you park a bus outside of a base, be prepared to defend your spawn point. If you park a bus then walk away from it and no one else has the wherewithal to defend an unprotected spawn, you don’t have any business being the attacker. People want the devs to create a deployable fix for every problem rather than play the game as intended. If you are running a sizable outfit, assign one of your squads to bus defense… If they don’t want to defend it, or stay on the letter as told, they really aren’t worth being in your outfit anyway.

[@syniix1916]

It really seems like battlebit put the final nail in the coffin and im not that mad i mean i love planetside but battlebit is the most fun i had in years with any new shooter that came out

[@zakadams762]

This week is actually way better on emerald

[@mitoma31]

As someone who unironically enjoys Oshur and underwater combat: I dislike capture the flag.

[@bigmango202]

The infantry vs infantry on battlebit is just so much better than planetside 2 right now

[@alexanderk8708]

Problem is damn queues!!! Everyone is tired of waiting instead playing!

[@jasperedits]

Two days ago, I waited 30 minutes to enter the game. and after 30 minutes the game is over. Player limit should be lifted when the alert starts

[@NuBFiX]

The only thing that really bothers me and makes me quit the game every now and then are infiltrators, I dont feel like they're in a good state and too many people are playing them currently (just my personal opinion)

[@carl5381]

stalker smg is absolute bs

[@VeewooTheSiren]

Sniper/recon should be it’s own class no game should have zero risk reward for a 1 shot headshot weapon (going invisible I mean)

[@1roxyfan491]

Shine a light on them, and if your skillful enough you can spot their shimmer. I'm sorry but most of these complaints I see in the comments section is not because of balancing issues it's because it's a skill issue.

[@NuBFiX]

@@1roxyfan491 clientside isn't a skill issue, having to make your weapon worse by equipping a light also isn't a skill issue it's a design flaw.

[@1roxyfan491]

@@NuBFiX most people in this comments section aren't complaining about client-side bud. It's also really easy to spot an Infiltrater without the need of a flash light. And no it's not a design flaw, just equip the flash light to your secondarie.

[@bighouse581]

RIP PS2, hope they find something to bring people back but ill believe it when i see it. just make it so when a faction is over-pop-ing significantly they straight up have less max HP.

[@BattleManZed]

After 10 years the devs banned me. a whole decade of straight loyalty, so now I'm gonna commit 11k$ in hacks and vpns and new hardware. Lol I'm gonna kill this game so hard.

[@zakadams762]

Can we get a new video? Type Planetside 2 into youtube and top is all about the game dying. It is continuing to decline but in the interest of extending the ride it might help if the only major touch stone left wasn't negative.

[@lemon-le5lb]

As some one who really loves PS2, and will go about playing the game extensively in short bouts, like 2 week long binges every couple of months, its really a shame to see that each time i come back, the game just seems to get worse and worse from a meta stand point. End of the day Saw still goes burrr, so that keeps me going, but every change since i last played has left me just looking at this game and going "Are they actively trying to make this game worse?" I know wrel is out now, which is good, because he was not good for the game.

[@MikeZillaGuitarGuy88]

Battle bit and starfield took players. But doesn't help that PS2 has suffered a slow slow death for years now.

[@warlocksnevereverdie]

it is insanely stupid that one light assault can just kill a sundy with c4. they need to rapidly address the zerg redeploying tactics to win alerts as well as to last second defend bases. it is criminally anti fun to take a base with even pop and then in the last 30 seconds 40 people redeploy on top of you. the only thing worth doing is sitting on a frontline base that you will never ever cap in a million years and just getting a few kills. tbh the game is going to die. it sucks but they havent even replaced the lead dev.

[@gentlerain3245]

Hard to set spawn solutions like this trashed 500 meter Router and Sundes need a protection bubble that limits the distance of WHO can destroy these. Need to get close inside the bubble to blow these up. How it is right now an off-render prowler or some Lib miles away erases them with NO counter to that or rain down C4 safely from the top of a tower or flying miles high in the air. Spawn beacons are different since its no setting up at all, just pull one out and place, the only change spawn beacons need is a delay till ANOTHER person in the squad can place a new beacon, Ive seen squads that keep getting wiped and wiped but as long as somebody with beacon landed it kept going, beacons shouldnt be like that, mainstream spawn solutions should be instead. Hard Spawn solutions SHOULD be able to be destroyed if the ones spawning from it are overwhelmed long enough for it to happen.

[@remipoujoulat7759]

Of course!🤷🏻‍♂️ Elites are dominating servers and performance is bad.

[@ArchangeZ]

And yeh, last thing Planetside 2 needs are over the top organisation/skill cap objectives like capture the flag, or whole Oshur being just "build bases", there is and always will be more casuals, they are good systems, but they should think about making the game "what it is" and not "what it could be", Planetside isnt meant to be over the top competitive 1v1 aimed game, but more aimed at the Factions, to be motivated to fight in those big battles, help teammates, we need more faction specific stuff like desperately. Those faction specific tank guns were good example of how they should move forward. Faction specific base buildings, turrets, mods and abilities for NS vehicles/weapons, we need FLAVOR, the FLAVOr that brought many people in when the game came out. And maybe they should sacrifice a bit of opinion from salty vets, and maybe make Directives less demandable, lower the kills, or make assists count, I mean come on, its insane to grind 1000 kills with some guns... And people dont have as much time as they had in the past.

[@venix7787]

PS2 FOREVEEER!

[@princethegod0346]

No ps4 update

[@nursebank]

So I as a console player, I’ve seen first hand the pop decline. We play on a 100 pop max server and have done for some time, years in-fact! With pop increasing to 150. On a very good day, down to 50 players on a bad day! You can’t play the game like this and there are many reasons for it. Cheese! The game has too much cheese! You die to cheese. Like 1-2 maxes and your whole 10 man squad struggles and because of low pop there is nothing to kill it. Same with shoguns. Total cheese! Canis on console is cheese. Gets boring and people log out! To make a 150 pop server go down to 60 in no time. Lack of mid spawns! Mid is a shit show and I’ve been saying it for years. I took a year off planetside because you can’t do squad ops with 100 people on a server. Last night we had about 60 people online during prime time. The lack of mid spawns because some tank is killing it from 40 miles away is a joke. No spawn protection. You rely on outfits to pull and do stuff when there is no outfits online. Just casual solo non outfit newbies! All dying for no reason to some pro black camo tank at mid, he gets his kicks destroying sundies And you repeat bringing a Sundy 10000s times and then log out. There are many factors that effect both console and pc and that’s lack of mid spawn areas. Shit bases, there is sooooo many issues. Been saying it for years. just becasue ox doesn’t have low population yet. But when you do. It will be bliss for ceres because shit might start happening. Small things like better mid fights would make the game much better. Better spawn areas mid.

[@dustix1087]

No. Planetside forever.

[@blade6321]

Ironically i played Battlebit and started playing PS2 again as a result, after 10 years of not playing! Battlebit is great though- the only reason ive got to PS2 is the progression and variety of classes. I hope battlebit gets updated and keeps growing.

[@c4ptiv3]

I couldn't stand to play anymore due to the high ping players and shitty hit reg. Been playing since alpha and watching the game go down the shitter the last 5 years really sucks. I'm also sure battlebit is siphoning tons of players off all these aging games too. There just wasn't anything new worth replacing these older games with. There has been a serious drought of interesting fps games for a long time.

[@theDemolisher13]

2:10 yes and no I've noticed that battle bit is just overall a better shooter. That said for community and making friends/just being social yeah PS2 sandbox environment has it beat hands down. Well at least for my experience you millage may very

[@1roxyfan491]

I haven't played battle bit but planetside 2 is really fun for me with the right set ups.

[@EmsRocker2904]

Sure Ps2 got spawn problems and a lot of players play Battlebit now, but for me thats not the main reason for the smaller player base. I play PS2 for 10 years now and from my perspective its getting more and more boring. And thats nothing the Devs can fix, its just an old game. It´s time for PS3 but I think that will never happen, not with Daybreak.

[@Krieger1337]

Weapon balance is fubar

[@xensnet]

And the last big construction update on planetside on march...was big turn off.

[@xWHITEx]

Relax, dude, it's summer, people are just taking a break from planetside. Even I, as a person who has been playing planetside almost non-stop for ten years, will say that it is better to play when it is cold outside. In the summer, it's better to get busy in IRL, and not stick to your favorite game all day. Even if you are a planetside nerd :)

[@Debianz]

Lol, You have multiple major KZbinrs who have mainly only covered planet side 2 for years completely quitting, and now only releasing battle bit remastered videos. I guess that's just a summer thing too? Someone's a little delusional 😂

[@KrimsonStorm]

@@Debianz If my memory serves, Doom publicly quit mainly due to clan toxicity. The direction in PS2 was ancillary. I don't know what other YT you are talking about.

[@Debianz]

​@@KrimsonStorm I guess do some research if you really want to know? My original post was a passing comment, I'm not interested in educating you on the wider PS2 content creator community. I'm working at the moment.

[@KrimsonStorm]

@@Debianz I proved you wrong and you just say its labor to argue your position. I did my research. PS2 is not dying. Appreciate it though.

[@Debianz]

​@@KrimsonStorm Lol, you proved me wrong? Really? There is CAMIKAZE78 with 50.1k viewers. Doom, counts as another. The reason he quit isn't relevant because that's a large amount of eyes no longer on PS2. Zealous literally said that when he plays PS2, he wants to be playing Battle Bit. So he has made it pretty clear that he wants to stop making PS2 content, that was the point of this video. So there is 3 off the top of my head. And considering that the community for PS2 is so small, that's huge. Number 2, I never said the game was dead. The game is clearly still alive. But the numbers being displayed isn't nothing. And simple saying "because it's summer" is intellectually dishonest. Now can you please stop being a brainlet so I can finish programming this server feature before my girl friend gets home, or do I have to go and actually find more examples for you? Because I have things to do bro. I'm on the clock.