PLANNING YOUR SIM RIG & UPGRADES - Part 2 - Logitech G923 vs Thrustmaster TS-XW

[@TheSinistercr0c]

As a newbie to the SIM racing scene this is EXACTLY the kind of content I'm looking for....honest and objective. Subscribed as a result, cheers guys!

[@boostedmedia]

Welcome. Glad you found it helpful.

[@OG3Maliii]

I’m starting to get into it too. What did you end up getting and what are your opinions. Was gonna get a g29 but might just save money for something better

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

@@OG3Maliii I started out on a G920, upgraded to a T300 , ended up getting a faulty one and decided to return it and have now purchased a Simagic Alpha Mini. I'd say the Logitech is the best bet if you want something that lasts you years. ThrustMaster also has trouble with overheating. You should start out with something cheaper like this to make sure that you enjoy the hobby, I've used my G920 for about 2500 hours now and can fully well justify an upgrade. ( Running TLCM pedals as well for the last 4 months and I love them)

[@ubufamily]

@@DavidGarcia-oi5nt Have the same setup right now, that you used to have (g920 + TLCM) :) Thinking about Simagic Alpha Mini as well. Have you received the Mini? How does it feel? I'm also considering this TS-XW base to save some $ (compared to the Mini) and but still gain performance in AC drifting compared to g920..

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

@@ubufamily hey bud :). I received my Alpha Mini on August 03 and I absolutely love it! It is worth every single cent to me! It feels so amazingly smooth and powerful , I would want to describe it as the wheel is so fast now that the cars basically drive themselves and behaves more like a real steering wheel would. Even though I suck at drifting other people tell me the wheel it's great for it ;) I personally find the TS-XW to be terribly overpriced for me in Canada, on Amazon it comes out to basically the same price as my Mini did, except that if you can find a used TS-XW this might be worth it. (I even got the most expensive Mini package, tho I can only find the TS-XW P310 SPARCO mod). Also the TS-XW is filled with plastic in its construction while the Mini is all metal in base and rim, with zero reported overheating. Though I just wanted to make sure that you knew that the Simagic Alpha Mini does not support either console (I'm on PC), so if you want to get a DD wheel for your Xbox then the Fanatec CSL DD is your only option and this is genuinely the same price as a TS-XW wheel!! You should join us in the Simagic discord server so you can ask all the questions!! Just search for it on Disboard :D

[@Skunky-Blanco]

I just started with two G27's but I broke them both and bought my first Thrustmaster T500 RS GT and it worked for 5 years without any issues. I just bought a new TS-XW and I am super happy with it.

[@knoedeltoni1968]

I have the 500 RS too. Is the new one so much better?

[@Skunky-Blanco]

@@knoedeltoni1968 yes the TS-XW is stronger and a bit faster.

[@Pencil-Eating]

Is going to be a part 3?

[@pocketsizepr]

Thank you...first time sim racing wheel buyer and this video made me get the TS-XW as an individual unit and the T-LCM pedals separately. Smashing setup, love it. Thank you.

[@Fly-ip8vq]

i cant believe the timing of this video!! i was literally about to upgrade from the t300 to a ts-xw and was trying to find some decent youtube reviews and comparisons but couldn't find any. couple days later and this legend drops the video i needed. thanks heaps mate!

[@mariuszmaxankazuya3170]

Not much of the difference between this two.

[@tomydespins2315]

@@mariuszmaxankazuya3170 there is definitely difference between the two sure it is not TMX(or t150)to TX(t300) But there is still a big difference the TS-XW is way more precise in my opinion i can feel the weight of the car behave way more with my ts-xw and i upgrade less than a month and a half(almost 1year of using my Tx) i sell my TX to one of my friend and he drive my ts-xw and he notice the difference instantly

[@exi9164]

I got the opportunity to try both the logitech g920 and a fully built tsxw setup, and man what a world of a difference, imo it definitely be better to go with the tsxw

[@bakerXderek]

Nice well rounded review, finally bit the bullet and bought this base.

[@RabbitConfirmed]

of only you'd have waited a little, thrustmaster is gonna release a DD wheel base this year.

[@duk2k]

@@RabbitConfirmed whats it called?

[@viggoketelaar7106]

@@RabbitConfirmed not confirmed yet

[@RabbitConfirmed]

@@viggoketelaar7106 It's confirmed by Thrustmaster, just not exactly the name and the specs. But it's offical by Thrustmaster that they said they are gonna release a DD this year.

[@madserkone1001]

Yo Yo Mushroom tip. CHEAH!.

[@safaridice]

You are the first person to even mention about difficulties of taking the gear to another country. That's great. Quality content bro! Keep it up

[@szabo_bakter]

This video nails it! I switched from a G29 to it and everything you say in this video is true! It's a fantastic base! Specially with 350mm Wheels!

[@Phatzoot]

Ah man im well excited i have a g29 but ive just ordered one of these today and i cant wat lol i hate the noises the g29 makes

[@phillupson8561]

I faced this exact conundrum getting into sim racing last year and I started with the TS-XW, the review is bang on. I began with a table, flex was a nightmare and I had to buy a rig, the pedals fit fine to my rig but they aren't good, there is no real feel to them and locked up a lot under braking, upgraded to the T-LCMs and they were a fantastic upgrade, took about 3 hours of practice with the load cells and I wasn't just better, it was like night and day and I basically never lock my wheels up any more. I'd say the TS-XW (and probably TS-PC) with the T-LCMs is plenty good enough to get you bitten by the sim racing bug. I'd say my number 1 warning is, you will need a rig to get the most of out this, so buy with that in mind (I didn't!)

[@KingFischRacing]

Will love this series wish it was around when I first started but I think it will help new comers thanks for sharing as always.

[@blklion100]

I had the G27. When it died, I got the T300 that came bundled with the T3PA pedals. My next upgrade was the T-LCM pedals when they came out. I got a good deal on a used CSW 2.5 with the round P1 wheel. Because I already have my loadcell pedals, there was no need for me to go with the Club Sport V3 ones, and I already have a spring replacement mod for a more progressive rate on the brake. My next upgrade will be from my NextLevel DD wheel stand to a full profile rig and maybe go direct drive down the road.

[@Phaethon569]

If you had to redo the upgrade from thr G27, would you start first with the T300 or the T-LCM?

[@blklion100]

@@Phaethon569 I still would have started with the T300. Going from a gear driven wheel to a belt driven one was an eye opener in terms of the smoothness and fidelity of the force feedback.

[@RedcoatVikingYT]

The pedals on the TS-XW are shocking quality compared to the base. I switched out to my old metal pedals that shipped with the T500RS which are effectively the same pedals but coated in metal just for a slightly more quality feel. Definately worth upgrading the pedals though because all the default Thrustmaster pedals are pretty poor quality.

[@michaelwood8555]

I ran this wheelbase and pedals for over a year before upgrading to the load cell pedals. What a difference! Actually took a few days to come to grips with them (ha ha) but soooo much better

[@Dave062YT]

Btw after a month of use, I have to mention how good and solid the F-GT cockpit is and well worth the extra over the Lite ,the same as how the T-CLM pedals are a dif class from the bundle pedals.I ve made a brace with a couple of pieces of 4 x 2 to the wall that completely eliminates any flex in the pedal tray with the extra stiff brake mod and it's perfect .[Wrapped the wood in black material to look a bit neater]Thanks for the build video ,it really helped .

[@GaryVapes]

Great video as always mate. Just upgraded to the TS PC Ferrari edition from the TMX and it’s so much better! Totally agree about the pedals too! Ditched the Thrustmaster pedals a long time ago for the Fanatec CSL load cells. Between the wheel upgrade and pedals I’ve knocked at least 0.5 seconds of my laps times 👍🏻

[@johnpaulguevarra6916]

Good day Sir, how is your experience with your TS PC Ferrari 488? I really want Fanatec but TM is the one accessible w/o the ridiculous prices from resellers here in Asia (other than Japan). However, I am hesitant because I've been reading issues regarding the TS PC especially the rattling/cracking sound on brand new ones.

[@biffisgreat]

Mine does the rattle thing, it's only miner, and only on huge bumps, curbs, or crashing, it was fine but beamng decided to send a massive spike or something, to the vibration motors, I haven't taken it apart yet to fix it, but I imagine it's minor, stripped threads, loose bolts etc. Other than that it's fantastic, and the only logical upgrade from one is a DD wheel, the clubsport is kinda a sideways move, I have about 600 hrs on Mine, and it's such a major upgrade from a Logitech or the t150/TMX

[@johnpaulguevarra6916]

@@biffisgreat Thanks for replying sir. Here in Asia (Other than Japan), Thrustmaster is the reasonable choice. Resellers are selling Fanatec stuff for almost 2x price here with the uncertainty on warranty. I was just hesitant on the complaints (especially the rattling noise) on brandnew ts-pc thats why I think of asking a relative in AUS or US to be the receiver of Fanatec. Have a nice day sir! :)

[@biffisgreat]

@@johnpaulguevarra6916 update on the rattle, it was the desk clamp, ya oops,

[@johnpaulguevarra6916]

@@biffisgreat Thanks. Maybe they just get unlucky with the rattling sound on the motor. Might just get one, not sure if I can still wait for the csl dd 😂 Have a nice day.

[@AAKhanivore]

Best review/comparison by far. I was going to get the T300 but it’s £100 more than the G923 and after seeing this review I’ve decided to go for the G923.

[@orange42]

Loved this discussion. I used to drive a logitech wheel ages ago and looking into something else now. But when I was using that wheel I got the feeling that I was "driving" a set of switches. Not driving at all, just a bunch of switches. What you describe sounds so much better.

[@deepenproductions]

Me over hear with my 150 dollar g27 and a wood frame with the old Sparco seat from my MR2. Honestly an awesome set up for the price! Would suggest for budget builders.

[@grantjohno67]

I’ve got a G29 on a timber frame rig that I built myself with a Commodore Car seat. I’ve upgraded the pedals to a Clubsport V3. It does the job ok. I’m not quick but more to do with the amount of practice I do. 🤔🤞

[@freak5837]

Will be interesting to see how the CSL DD and new pedals from Fanatec compare with the TS-XW, looks like pricing will be about the same.

[@The_Monkey_Boss]

Hey, these videos are soo helpful thanks!! A year later though and still no part 3 as promised :( . Any chance of a part 3 in the near future?? I'm looking to get the TS-PC and T-LCM pedals so part 3 would be incredibly helpful! Appreciate any response and love the videos :)

[@paulkelleway8032]

Great to see gear being given some air time that doesn’t cost the earth. I’d like to see you try the TX / T300 because I believe that base is the best value in sim racing, it’s gives you almost what the TSXW does for a lot less money.

[@steveawesome9538]

I bought the TS300RS, the T LCM pedals and the TH8 7 speed gear shifter(I haven't used the shifter yet). All on a GT Omega adjustable stand. I finally got it all adjusted and setup up yesterday. So far I used it on F1 2020 and AC for PS4. I spent about 4 hours on AC last night just mainly doing practice laps around the Monza F1 track with various cars. This is my first wheel and pedal set. But so far the feedback is pretty good and everything works as it should. You can really tell the thing is working at the chicane at the end of the start/finish straight. And at other parts of the track where it isn't as smooth as you'd think it would be, you can really feel it. So far, I feel this is the best bang for your buck in entry level SIM equipment. It's above the toy level of the T80 and the T150, but it's at the price point where you get a lot of value equipment wise for your money. My intent was to just enjoy F1 2020 properly, but if I really enjoyed it, move on to some of the other sims and potentially play online against others. At that point I may upgrade to a direct drive, I would probably make the move to Fanatec, the CSL stuff looks to be good enough for me, I'll probably move to a pc based system and do a proper cockpit rig of some sort at that point. But in the event, the SIM racing hobby wasn't for me, I feel I bought a decent entry level rig that someone else could enjoy at a discount, that didn't break the bank for me, and would have decent value for resale.

[@gankdalfthedank9855]

T300s max torque output is like maybe half of the xw

[@paulkelleway8032]

@@gankdalfthedank9855 it's not all about torque, it's about what information you get through the wheel. People are obsessed with torque these days!

[@pdxjg]

Just ordered the TS-XW Advantage pack and looking forward to it. It includes the load cell upgrade so hoping that makes these pedals even better. Upgrading from a G920 and awaiting my GT Omega Prime cockpit as well! Thanks for the video and all the detail. SUPER helpful.

[@BenFilley]

Just watching to give you the view count. Pretty damn happy I recently upgraded from a tmx pro to a csl elite that I got minimally used for $500 usd with pedals. Figured I’d grab that since I know DD wheels are simply out of my price range, and the new fanatic one won’t be in stock for probably close to a year after launch. So this helps me progress while still having a good upgrade path in the future. Not letting go of my thrustmaster shifter though, it’s usb so I don’t need to swap it out.

[@cornishtim]

These videos are so good! I am in the exact position of having sold my Xbox and got a PC. Upgraded from a GT Omega wheel stand and the sofa to the seat frame and seat add on with a monitor stand. Even just that has totally blown my mind as far as immersion and comfort goes. Next on the list is pedals then wheel base. It frustrates the hell out of me that the TS-XW package contains the same pedals as the TMX Pro set I already have. It’s a major set back and has lead me into looking at the TS-PC but upgrading to the T-LCM pedals first. Really looking forward to your thoughts on that set up. Seems like there have been a few issues with getting them to work together. Had an eye on Fanatec gear but it’s so hard to get hold of in the UK and demand during lockdown + Brexit have sent prices way above where they should be.

[@MrAudi220]

I have about the same opinion as you, at this price point, the wheel base should be paired with at least the t3pa pro pedals like you get on the t500rs, they are also not the best but at least you get a more solid pedal base for the price, in a ideal world this kit would have come with the t-LCM load cell pedals, that would be the perfect pair up for me,loved the review looking foreward to the ts-pc review with the t-LCM pedals.👍

[@DukeGaGa]

This reminded me of my own upgrade path, started with a G27 about 8 years ago, and a playseat evolution. After two years or so later, when TM launched their TX wheel, I got that and a next level racing wheel stand, and eventually got a T3PA pedal set and TH8A shifter. About three years later I ditched TM and switched to Fanatec CSW v2.5, v3 pedals, v1.5 shifter and simetik k2 cockpit. And just a few days ago I got myself a brand new DD2. Also thinking about getting a simlab p1-x rig.

[@jacobcisco7059]

Do ittt...lol..if you can

[@DukeGaGa]

@@jacobcisco7059 it’ll have to wait, Simetik K2 is still working pretty well for me, not flexing with DD2 mounted, and p1-x is quite a lot bigger, need to do some measurements to figure out where to put it. I’m currently waiting for a new bucket seat to arrive so I can finally get rid of the squeaky reclinable seat, also I just ordered the new Vive Pro 2 to replace valve index.

[@johnmifsud6007]

Loving these series will. Can confirm I have a t150 pro that came with these same peddles. I’ve started to notice the exact same thing as you pointed out. I’ve also added the brake mod. Would love to know if there’s a way to improve the brake as that’s where time is gained and lost. Keep it up 👍 mate

[@kilarn123]

I did the switch from a G920 to the TS-XW several month ago. In Europe (probably in the rest of the world as well) you can by those things separately. I saw some reviews before buying that told about the same thing for the pedals in this kit. So I bought the TS-XW, the sparco P310 add on and T-LCM pedals separately. A kit like this makes much more sense. One thing to keep in mind is that since the p310 wheel is not centered, it's much harder to use it for rallying or drifting. You will need to buy another wheel if you want a proper rallying experience.

[@sertec4804]

Very good analysis. I bought them two months ago and the truth is that the T3PAs leave a lot to be desired, they look beautiful, within their category, also comfortable but they brake fatally. So I have moved on to TLCM. Thanks you!

[@drchtct]

Eagerly waiting for part 3!

[@metaphyzxx]

This is truly the EXACT video I needed. Answering the exact questions that I had!

[@banditfishing1558]

I can firmly say the TLCM pedals are a major upgrade from the T3PA set. I had my tp3a pedals for a few year and the unfortunately got water damaged while some housework was being done. I looked for a new set and found a second hand set of TLCM pedals on eBay for £160 (not sure what that is in au). I got them and bolted them to my wooden home made flimsy af rig. Combined with my Thrustmaster TMX wheel and the th8a shifter. My lap times improved 2 seconds on most tracks when racing. When drifting with friends I found I could be more accurate meaning I could tandem closer to my friends ect. I have don’t one mod to my TLCM pedals which made them feel even better. This is the mod that Sim Racing Corner shows on his channel. I can honestly say they feel much better now and my lap times have improved again with this mod. I am running an Xbox so therefore I’m playing assetto corsa and forza motorsport/horizon. All I need is a new wheelbase and a handbrake as I managed to destroy my TMX with a handbrake mod. Mod worked perfectly until someone tripped over my handbrake wire, ripping the b button circuit out of the wheel. I’m thinking of going with the TSXW with the sparco handbrake. I’ll just need to build a new sim rig first

[@wanabdulhadi1268]

I began my sim racing journey with a t300rs that came with these pedals and quickly upgraded to the tlcm pedals in a month. A great set of loadcell brake pedals is a no brainer when it comes to upgrade paths and which to prioritise. The t300 or even the ts series of wheelbases would no doubt suffice many a sim racer, but I simply had the itch for wanting more detail despite being constrained budget-wise and also what’s available on the market. Instead, I went straight for a direct drive wheelbase in the m10 instead of settling for a ts series wheelbase, as it costs about the same as fanatec clubsport v2 would where I am.

[@hysobee]

Waiting for part 3. Great vid man!

[@dariuszrozycki6323]

Squash ball is a great upgrade to T3Pa pedals. It gives you a lot more precision and progressive feeling during braking. You just have to put the squash ball between conical brake and your pedal. It works a lot better than the standard cone-shaped rubber.

[@inbloom08]

Only KZbinr that I thumbs up after 1 sec

[@boostedmedia]

HEY GU…..*thumbs up*

[@inbloom08]

@@boostedmedia 😂🤘

[@juanramosb.4029]

Funny to see that the column where my name as Patreon is wider due my long name hahahahaha I am still missing most of the easter eggs because I have to listen to the videos mostly as I keep working. Great video!

[@boostedmedia]

Lmao! Tom struggled on that one. 🤪

[@juanramosb.4029]

@@boostedmedia Maybe just as Juan Ramos Braga?

[@wild_lee_coyote]

It will be interesting to see where the Fanatec CSL DD and peddle set comes in at. The quality and upgradability of Fanatec seems to be vastly higher for the same price tag. I can’t wait to see your review of the Fanatec system up in comparison.

[@THESHADOW97139]

CSL DD 5nm ok ( might as well take this one ) .... but CSL DD 8nm is superior and more expensive.

[@xstonecoldkillerx]

Can't wait for the next episode...I started out with T150 wheel and pedals attached to my desk....I upgraded to TLCM and F-GT cockpit and I am now looking to upgrade my wheel and have had my eye on the TS-PC for a while now!

[@that.guy11]

Had my TS-XW for over a year now and super happy with it; I will say though the standard T3PA pedals really are the weak point, especially the brake. I persevered for a while before swapping them out for a set of T-LCMs. Utterly transformed the overall feeling of my setup, and since I sold my T3PAs the upgrade only cost about £100. So worth doing for anyone with a TS-XW

[@NielsHeusinkveld]

Actually the 'old' G25 / G27 with just a linear spring in the brake, and this Thrustmaster pedal without the rubber mod, are actually pressure sensitive. Very weak, but with a linear spring, force and potentiometer change linearly with eachother. So yes, you're measuring position, but if the position doubles, so does the force. Tricky to control because it is so light. A rubber mod like the one provided by TM here is actually probably more problematic unless they very precisely alter the calibration of the pot. Feels better on the foot, and with cars that have no downforce, might be more controllable. For high downforce cars where you have to bleed off the brakes from 100% to 0% smoothly, this is probably way harder with the rubber mod installed. As far as I know, Logitech say they changed the 'curve' on the potentiometer to reflect the progressive spring or whatever they use. If this is true, I would expect that brake pedal to feel more natural than the TM pedal with rubber mod. Despite feeling 'weak' I wouldn't use the rubber mod on the TM pedals.

[@sim_racing_pops1675]

Nice video Got the g923 which is great starting out but think eventually the thrustmaster mentioned will be the next step forward

[@SoMiSongbird]

Went from a G920 to a TM TX with TLCM pedals and now a TS-XW, and honestly it was a great experience seeing how better and stronger it got from a g920 to now my TS-XW, my opinion is if you got the money get a TX/T300 to start, if anything get an actual direct drive MOZA and Fanatec have nice bundles for the same price (localization might vary price wize) but let's say you hate DD... the TS-XW is the best imo.

[@tinkybhoy]

At 9.40, you could put male side of Velcro , it sticks amazing.......try it.......x that sticks to carpet or any fluffy surface.....lol....xxxx

[@DavidKohout]

Very great series, you deserve way more subs!

[@thq4941]

Great vid thank you and a highly accurate summation, liked and subbed. Exactly my experience having gone from a desk mounted Logitech G29 to a TS-XW on a Next Level GT Ultimate. One of things I relatively quickly did was to replace the pedals with a set of Fanatec CSL Elie LC. The extendable arms on the wheel stand are set low to match a wall mounted single 43" 4K TV and so the stability is just fine for the TS-XW. Being a V8 Supercars fan in simulators the TS-XW is right at home. Good old Assetto Corsa with the V8SCorsa mod as well as FVR V8 Supercars mod in rFactor 2 and I'm set.

[@robertcarr4172]

Iv had a TX but it was basically faulty from the get go (bought it 2nd hand) and when it finally gave up , I went with an old tmx (as you can guess, I'm poor) and that's also been painful. I'm finally upgrading to a TSXW base. Super excited to feel it

[@Shogoat1304]

Where is part 3 I wanna see how much tlcm improves lap times over the g920/t3pa pedals.

[@vojtechnavratil6613]

Hello, I have the T300RS GT edition which also includes T3PA in set and I have to agree with you in most points. I during last year I looked at 3D printed mods and tested some of these. In the end I had to redesign few mods to by capable to combine them and because I was not 100% satisfied with the design point. I can sent you some pictures and stl files of the redesigned parts which I created.

[@boostedmedia]

That would be great! Thank you! If you jump in our discord community there’s a section for 3D printing :)

[@johnzome788]

Disappointing that this didnt continue, it was interesting.

[@antmax]

Nice review. I'm glad I got the Fanatec CSL pedals to go with the TS-PC Racer wheel I bought for my computer last year. I was procrastinating quite a bit at the time.

[@andyduncan9442]

Thanks for the review. I purchased the wheel with the load cell pedals yesterday from Pagnian. I'm upgrading from g920. Really looking forward to getting it up and running.

[@EddieInChina]

Just uograded to tsxw from g923 after 10 days of use. Thanks for this vid, Really helpful

[@5dstrix]

The thrustmaster pedals with conical mod can be worlds better than you had them setup to be, you need to adjust the cone so it sits closer to the brake, which reduces the amount of travel before you hit the threshold, you start getting pressure feedback sooner and you have to push fairly hard to brake fully. I now have T-LCM pedals with an elastomer mod, but honestly the conical mod isn't far off when you set it up right.

[@DjDj-zr2wy]

Thomas jackermeier said in the "your CSL DD questions answered video" that the CSL elite was faster but had less Torque than the CSL clubsport, simply because of different cog ratios for each model. This plus your video + the fact that thrustmaster says their alim is 400w pic, made me think the TS-PC /TS xw will still be very competitive compared to the 5Nm CSL DD. Can't wait for the actual review. I bet a DD is still a DD and will be better but thrustmaster is still relevant if they lower their wheel base price below 350 (considering their wheel are cheaper)

[@Voldnarok]

I'm new to sim racing I just started few months ago but I'm loving it. I have a Omega Apex Stand, Thrustmaster T300RS with stock Pedals (2 pedals set only) the brake it's lose like the throttle no pressure at all lol But thanks to you Will - Boosted Media and to Barry - Sim Racing Garage... I'm planning to update to a Sim Lab P1-X cockpit, Simtrecs ProPedal GT (I alredy pre-ordered because this could take time), Fanatec Clubsport Shifter and now comes the part I'm not sure about I don't know if I buy the VRS DirectForce Pro DD or the Simucube 2 Pro DD or Triple or 49 ultrawide screen I'm not sure about this too! But I'm really exited I think whit this gear I can really get more consistent and this way be more prepared to be race win contender in iRacing.

[@NoDepth]

Yea this is great. Even though I do have a full Profile rig with a DD1 for PC, I have been eyeing a cheaper "living room" setup for the consoles. Really nice to see a breakdown like this. Cheers!

[@DavidGarcia-oi5nt]

You have such nice things Will! Must have worked hard for all you've achieved :)

[@michajura3670]

What I've done in my t3pa pros. I've set the conical mod to touch the brake lever. It give a little less throw but it feels much better.

[@BottomSplitPodium]

Ricmotech sells a load cell add on for both of these pedal sets. It's a great upgrade!

[@boostedmedia]

Yep. We’ll do our best to cover these upgrades as part of the story :)

[@elbowsout6301]

I bought the Ricmotech load cell for the T3PA's and it is awesome but overpriced. It ended up costing me about $260 CND to get it after import fees and shipping. At the time you couldn't find T-LCM's anywhere but now you can get T-LCM's locally for $269+tax.

[@HeadOfNixon]

It's expensive and makes your brake feel like a solid brick. For the same amount of money as the T3PAs + Loadcell you can get TLCMs or CSLs that have a load cell and feel more like an actual brake.

[@jamesgrant4227]

Originally had the T3PA pedals with my TX and using the conical brake mod (or alternative mod that I eventually used) is a must imo - you can also adjust how close it is to the pedal and finding a position that suits you is essential! I got totally dialled in with them and when I upgraded to the T-LCM it took me ages to get used to them - think it took about 3 months before I could match then eventually beat my old T3PA times!

[@drchtct]

I use these Thrustmaster pedals on the carpet and haven't noticed any flex whatsoever. Also, who breaks like that with the heel up lol. But I wouldn't use the mod, it just adds inconsistency. Also, the brake pressure needed to apply is definitely increasing, maybe you're not used to breaking on pedals like that because you're used to LCs. However, I'm looking forward to the next episode of the series to see how Loadcells do on the foldable rig. Trying to put the CSL DD with Loadcell pedals in that foldable rig because I'm travelling between cities as a student over the next two years.

[@mrcrynox3752]

Thank you for this video series. I bought a Logitech G920 and is interesting to hear your thoughts about the brake pedal. I struggle with it, I can't feel where I am and as a consequence never brake anywhere near as good as I can with an analogue trigger. I'm keen to see this series develop as at the moment I'm happier using my trusty controller. You may convince me that I need to try something different rather than giving up, which is how I feel atm.

[@chadsugden411]

Part 3 part 3 please! Next step up from this is most of the market IMO!

[@Voltsify]

Awesome series mate

[@prkid3353]

Great review! I had purchased this bundle and ran into same problem. Had to place 2 metal strip brackets on front and mid section for support onto my rig, yet, still have problems every once in awhile depending on braking pressure applied. Gave me an idea with the zip ties!

[@dragbag1616]

It's funny to me because a week ago I switched over from these pedals, T3PA, which I must have used for around 5 years, to Heusinkveld Sprints, and at first I had less control. My feet are now so used to the potentiometers that braking based on pressure felt odd. Now I'm gradually getting used to it after the week, but it definitely is a weird thing to have to re-do a muscle memory like that. Road cars are alright since they too have a large amount of travel, but especially now with racecar-like settings on the Sprints where there's barely any travel with pressure, it's a massive change.

[@boostedmedia]

That’s a pretty normal experience. It always takes time to reset muscle memory.

[@azzurirodrinata7646]

Id say if you racing not drifting or rallying(tho rallying in the logitech is completely fine). Just upgrade to the loadcell pedal like csl elite or tlcm. Much more worth it if you are just racing because you dont really need to catch slide unless you are making mistakes. Even if you need to react to mistakes you can but wheel base upgrade really just improve the immersion rather than competitive advantage.

[@Johnnyynf]

I have both T150 and TS-PC, and by my experience, there's no huge difference in terms of drivability when grip driving between the two wheels. Of course, TS-PC feels so much better but at my level it's just more worthwhile to get more practice done and maybe a better pedal(I have T3PA with load cell mod, which helps a lot, but still feels not so nice)

[@SidOfRivia]

that’s pretty much what i was thinking about doing, currently have a TMX with T3PA, is the upgrade worth it or should i wait and save up for Fanatec?(Fanatec is considerably more expensive)

[@Johnnyynf]

@@SidOfRivia i guess depends on what you want If you just want a grip drivable wheel, maybe you can skip the TS-PC and save for DD If you just want a driftable wheel and have no intention to go DD then maybe TS-PC will be ok But for general driving, upgrade your pedel first

[@SidOfRivia]

@@Johnnyynf i wanna try and go pro in F1 esports, i guess best bet would be DD then.

[@eetuli85]

When using the T3PA conical brake mode, I adjust brake gamma in controller settings. I like it so that it's about 50% force on the rubber stopper. I think it simulates real brakes better, otherwise you really lack all finesse while braking. It's not ideal but still much better than just spring tension. Currently i'm experimenting with a squash ball in place of the rubber mod and while the overall feel is stiffer, I think it feels much better and I think I'll be able to create better muscle memory with it.

[@pianodrew]

I’m currently looking at upgrading my driving rig from a Logitech G25 to a Thrustmaster TS-XW Servo Base, along with a TM Rally Wheel R383, a set of T-LCM pedals, and a TH8A gearstick. I use an XBOX One S, run my G25 through a Creative Minds DriveHub, and only play Forza Horizon 4. I’m looking for something that delivers an immersive experience, but ultimately something that I can just plug in and play. I hear that for Thrustmaster wheels, you need to install drivers and firmware on a PC. I’m a Mac user and don’t own a PC. On Thrustmaster’s website, it doesn’t list Mac drivers. Google also doesn’t provide any answers. Does this mean I would not be able to use the wheel as intended if I can’t connect it to a computer for updates? If so, what could I do?

[@Dave062YT]

Brilliant stuff .I bought the T GT II for GT7 but instead of the bundle I got the base unit .F! wheel and T LCM pedals foe £720 plus an F gt cockpit.Thanks for the great tips

[@dergeneralfluff]

With the T3PA, as someone who has put so many hours through them that I have had to replace the stock springs due to them breaking, can not understand why every reviewer recommends the conical brake mod. That thing is awful, reducing (even on the most relaxed setting) your pedal travel to less then a third so you can have a couple of millimeter of "progressive" braking at the end, that feels like pressing into a bump stop. It is way better to not use it, as you can way better modulate the brake with the additional travel you get when using it. I can recommend to go for aftermarket springs as they can be way stiffer and probably better for a lot of users, especially those in shoes

[@boostedmedia]

Without the mod there’s no defined point for threshold braking. Simple as that. I’m sure mods could take care of it but that wasn’t the subject of this video. We’ll cover aftermarket and DIY mods later.

[@dergeneralfluff]

@@boostedmedia I have not driven with load cell pedals (one day I will), so for me threshold braking is in the mind, pushing the pedals down just before the car locks, and then bleeding off into the corner. For me the cone has been a brick wall, not sure if I just got one with extra hard rubber, but I do not get any pression of it. And you can definitely trail brake better without the Cone using the extra travel. I just had a way better experience not using it, everyone can try this thing as it is included with the pedals for free, but personally I speak out against the blanket recommendation. I made my point in this manner because I see nobody really holding this position, and people need to know this is not essential, and might hurt your experience (as someone who has used them at a pretty high level for a long time). I mentioned the Spring replacement in passing as I have experience with using it and just tagged it onto the comment, I did not expect this in this video. Edit: And I should probably watch a video to the end before I comment, it just has been a forgone conclusion for so many times

[@boostedmedia]

What you’re saying makes perfect sense and it’s a perfect illustration of how we can adapt to be fast with just about any input device as I was saying in the part 1 video. Keen to hear how you get on with load cell pedals.

[@kinangeagle133]

I started to design my desk that also takes into account the posture i have when sim racing. Thank god I’m just in the designing phase cause it’s starting to look like my idea of a good seating position isn’t really good after all. I hope you can cover seating position and posture later on in the series cause I really have no idea how race cars are setup and pictures don’t really help.

[@boostedmedia]

We have a video for that :) kzbin.info/www/bejne/rHS6gKZ3q7-In9E

[@kinangeagle133]

@@boostedmedia oooh perfect

[@aaronegro]

I have the g920 the ts-xw and now a dd pro on order. The difference between the g920 and the ts-xw is lager than the difference between the ts-xw and the DD. Just add a good set of load cell pedals and you are game.

[@jeremiahgto9029]

I went with the t-lcm pedals, sparco rally wheel which is round and tx servo base for $600 us.. alacarte is the way to go

[@RoehlRoad]

Hook and loop cinch straps are really handy for mounting pedals. I use two to mount my CSL Elite pedals to my Playseat Challenge seat and it is pretty sturdy.

[@Arkkis27]

Looking forward for the next video in this series! Bought TLCM pedals couple weeks ago and looking TS-PC Ferrari-edition as my next upgrade (currently using DFGT wheel). Really looking forward for your opinion on both products. My only complain with TLCM is the brake pedal being too close to the gas pedal but other than that loving the set! And my pain with non-adjustable placement just got bigger yesterday since Fanatec released their update to their entry level pedals (which would have made me choose their product) :(

[@Unsafe1671]

I started out on a G920 and used it until I wore out the upshift paddle, I moved to a TS-XW and to be honest I didn't really notice much difference but I also wasn't really looking for any. I just wanted to be able to play. It took a little while but I was able to get the brake set up with the mod and managed to get reasonable consistent. I then upgraded the pedals to a set of Simworx Pro GT V2 (I think) and have been pretty happy with them. Although as I was typing this I went and had a look at the brake pedal because it's been feeling a bit weird lately, and it looks like I've burst the seal on the hydraulic damper. I guess it's time to see if they'll sell me a new damper.

[@steveybiggunzgaming8118]

Nobody does a comparison between the tsxw and tgt 2, which I’m interested in. Supposedly it’s a similar motor inside, tgt2 just has newer electronics. People think the tgt is under 6nm while tsxw is 6.2 which doesn’t really make sense to me

[@eriol_mits3121]

For a hack with this set of pedals. Place a spring between the break mod and the pedal, adding resistance for that first 15/20%

[@QuimFreecss]

I began with a logitech 920 and a wheelstand pro, then got your playseat cockpit and recently I upgraded to a ts xw with the new ferrari rim. Been really happy with it and the force feedback is much better than the logitech and most importantly doesn't go down on extended sessions. The cockpit can stand it no problem. I still need to upgrade my pedals and I'll just wait for the new csl elite pedals to come out. I don't really like the thrustmaster ones.

[@TimVanDijck]

The cable on the TS-XW might look a lot thicker, mine broke pretty quickly and I'm now running a third party powersuply, which was verry hard to find because the one Thrustmaster ships is not standard at all. At the moment it's also not possible to get the Thrustmaster powersupply as a spare part.

[@FredBarbarossa]

I have used my G25 for over 10 years and the cable is still fine. Not sure if the cable is the same though.

[@pepidim7524]

Now that you've tested the csl dd, how does the ts-wx compare to it? and would you recommended if it is in a much lower price?

[@Norto1967]

Back to my budget :) Great channel btw

[@washingupliquid5089]

you guys are underrated

[@vitoreusebio3086]

Hi there. Have you stoped this series? I was really liking it! Cheers

[@FuriousFry]

Thanks for being very honest about the issues with the t3pa pedals. My friends all use a g29/27 with the corresponding pedals, but I liked the feel of the t300rs way better, so I bought that one. On braking however I just cant get the consistency that they have, often locking up since theres no reference points. Ive been looking for mods to make it work, maybe I'll try your zip tie + cone mod solution.

[@rossgilchrist8996]

Thanks for the review, helped me to buy this set up.

[@gamethogic3751]

As for the pedal base flex on the rig…i can clearly see that you can unclamp the bottom rail and adjust it…17:30

[@pldcanfly]

This is whats bugging me as well O.O

[@seanp7277]

Heya if you turn the mod around and put a strong spring in there they feel better

[@bfife22]

Thankfully they sell the wheelbase on it's own now

[@olddogg60]

Again, nice review/comparison Will. 👍

[@chuckwagon7354]

I bought the Servo base, P310 and T-LCM pedals separate. Didn't get the stickers with the wheel. But it's fun trying to work out what the buttons do!

[@edsoutlawmotorsports1332]

Will, why not just move the bar you have the pedals attached to, to the top end of the pedal base, and slide the bottom one up and use that as the fastening point? Excellent series.....can't wait to see the remainder of the series. Also, would it be worthwhile, if you are upgrading from the Logitech, to just buy the adapter dongle for the Logitech pedals and just the Thrustmaster wheel base?

[@cornevangulik6166]

Fanatec just dropped a new set of pedals, looking forward to hear you give your two cents on it.

[@boostedmedia]

Yep will do once we have a set to try out.

[@cornevangulik6166]

@@boostedmedia I only just heard about William. Very sad to hear, my condolences. He was actually one of the first youtube channels that got me into simracing.

[@danielranleesoria9609]

Waiting for part 3 👌🤘

[@boostedmedia]

Not too far off now.

[@danielranleesoria9609]

@@boostedmedia yey!!

[@Mrmizzy55]

Those omen monitors are ducking SICK!! only problem is when I look at them I see a 2017 fully loaded Silverado lol

[@alec7568]

I've had this exact thrustmaster gear for a while now and im loving it. The thrustmaster pedals suck though. I'll be upgrading to a load cell set. The pedals don't stay quiet for long btw, after using them for a while they get very squeaky. They also don't fit properly to my cockpit, I had to figure out my own solution for that. The h pattern shifter is kinda cool though.