Plants Vs Zombies Battle For Neighborville | Change For The Sake Of Change

[@bloontomic1530]

A perfect end to a perfect trilogy. (of videos not the games)

[@Landynburns]

Had me in the first half NGL

[@Deathmare235]

Well the trilogy is still continuing there’s only 2 gw games

[@boocuffs4368]

@@Makwolo ?

[@byrontheusurper6505]

I wish it was both....

[@cactoos9793]

You have 666 likes.

[@jensengames9801]

It’s still just hilarious that they stopped development on this game, and THEN released the switch version

[@Devilsaur]

Ikr

[@nivekacodog4209]

And here i am buying it🤦🏻‍♀️😆

[@PkGroundOmega]

​@@nivekacodog4209same. Just bought it!

[@AmalGum001]

If BfN released first, then GW and lastly GW2 in 2019, then the series would be in a much better place right now

[@the_sizzlemaster5137]

Not really because bfn has 11 plant characters and 12 zombie characters if u released GW after that u would go back down to 4 characters. Yeah U could add the new characters to GW and GW2 but that means the fans would expect more characters and also the Electroslide and Snapdragon would be weird if the standard variant was an element like fire or electric

[@AmalGum001]

The_SizzleMaster I'm talking about gameplay in general. Considering if BfN released first, they'd probably only have the original 4 in each team, same for GW 1. The new BfN characters probably just wouldn't exist

[@MicCheckMemoirs]

@@AmalGum001 no sprint would feel like a step backwards if they did that.

[@Terminator1O1]

That makes sense name wise battle -> war -> war 2

[@nonononononono2022]

or just no bfn...

[@Lyrical14369]

Random thing to say but I love PvZ lore, the origin of the Dave and Zomboss feud, and how the zombie virus works. It's outside of your usual video groundwork but it'd be cool to see a video about the lore, and while you're at it, you could do the same for Doom. You don't have to take my advice because your content is amazing anyways (hella underrated) but it'd be cool to see

[@ItsFlatMan]

I remember seeing something at the 3Z arena, and maybe my memory is just very hazy, but there were pieces of evidence that Dave and Edgar knew each other and possibly work together, again I may be wrong but it’s what I remember

[@binglerinosthefirst1848]

how does the zombie virus work anyway? if a human gets their brains eaten do they turn to a zombie?? but you can see zomboss’s brains and the normal zombies have no holes in their head.. did zomboss even create the virus or was he infected?

[@HelluvaOpp]

I’d like to see a video about Lore as well.

[@yeetus_reetus_deeleetus]

Especially the whole Neptuna invading hollow earth thing from heroes

[@katcentralyt]

On the theory ill make it it probably will take a bit though

[@VexKingYoutube]

It feels like they wanted to "inovate" 4 the reason to "inovate" that's a really bad reason to "inovate" -Foekoe

[@fishingrod2253]

i like his funni words, magic man

[@Neo_the_infamous0]

You are wise

[@JubbJubb_]

Ah, the awful review! Seriously though, I’ve shit more intelligent stuff man.

[@fishingrod2253]

@@JubbJubb_ dude just let people dislike stuff like we are letting you like it

[@fishingrod2253]

@@JubbJubb_ No, you missed the entire point, foekoe is not despising the uniqueness, he is despising the execution of said uniqueness

[@youradviser1574]

The single player in this game made me want a looter shooter pvz game. Think destiny raids but with plants or zombies and unique intense bossfights. Fighting the bosses in this game with friends was the most fun I had in it.

[@bummbummist3607]

Garden Ops?

[@prettygrllswagg]

@@bummbummist3607 that isn't a looter shooter, think borderlands

[@noob487]

Honestly every time I think of this game it just makes me sad, imagining what could have been. Great video as always man

[@markwheeler4245]

I’m thinking of trying this as it’s a ps plus game at the moment but haven’t played any of the series before is this one crap then :(

[@crepop9276]

@@markwheeler4245 its decent but compared to to garden warfare 2 its bad

[@florinmanea7381]

@@disgustingegg2847 how? The variants are gone There isnt any balance,the plants completely destroy the zombies

[@Deathmare235]

@@florinmanea7381 it’s even cause of mech but the new zombies suck maybe not electric boogaloo I haven’t tried it yet but I bet it’s not even as strong as snapdragon who’s the weakest new plant

[@thatscool7877]

@@florinmanea7381 Some variants are overpowered like manual detonation characters, Toxic Brainz and other completely terrible like e citron or cosmic Brainz. I don’t know what your lobbies your playing because I win a lot as zombies. I dominate as 80s, electric slide, super Brainz and Imp. All Star is a great tank too.

[@thedrawingman6344]

I’m still wondering why they trashed Super Brainz’s high jump and replaced it with super thump jump. It was so fun flying around plants and beating them to death

[@saadelmaaqili4051]

You just answered yourself bro , he was too op , jumping and easily evading shots , now he does the plus gathering ppl for more punches

[@thedrawingman6344]

I never really found Super Brainz in OP in gw2 even when playing against him because even if he does have that super jump he still had to get in close with his target and have the risk of being destroyed

[@johnnysumms6945]

He doesn’t fell like a superhero anymore, just a guy that occasionally jumps with trampoline shoes and breaks his knuckles on the ground

[@thegk-verse4216]

Isn't really fun being 3 shot at full health because I missed 1 shot out of the 2 full clips I had to land to survive, cause he can jump 5 meters in the air at will

[@thegk-verse4216]

@@thedrawingman6344 Might be true if he didn't have a lazer and a fucking energy zpg

[@RyderPlatinumWarpstar]

It's hard to believe that they literally just shadow dropped this game out of nowhere after the massive buildups the previous 2 GW games had. It just straight up happened with no fanfare and it was a flop because of it.

[@SunnyyDayzz]

Ong pretty much had to listen to the fans and play test some more, I like the class roles alot but I feel like popcap could've looked to TF2 for class roles

[@orihiho2978]

@@SunnyyDayzz fun fact: the original garden warfare game was inspired by team fortress 2 but nah let’s go copy overwatch

[@gigaswardblade7261]

it really hurts that there are only 23 characters in bfn. RIP iceberg lettuce. maybe theres hope for you in a possible gw3...

[@PunKinPi]

They literally took down BFN when iceberg lettuce was 99.9% done, and this is why I freaking hate EA. Luckily they prob won't shut down PopCap because PvZ is actually one of their most popular games and that made them a bunch of money, so yeah it ain't stopping for a while.

[@gigaswardblade7261]

@@PunKinPi they better make a gw3 that has all the character variants from gw2 and the quicker gameplay from bfn

[@Stickmon_]

@@PunKinPi as much as i love pvz games, they are far from the most popular EA games

[@applez1508]

@@Stickmon_ dude, gw3 better come out, its all i want to happen for the next 5 years

[@potatopotatobuy239]

Not anymore since popcap left

[@groudongamer3178]

This reminds me all too well of how Skylanders died. Great series that died on the immense low note that was imaginators. Very similar to how neighborville was the killing blow here. Greed consumes all and it sucks.

[@vinsoid8485]

yup this is why everyone hates activision and EA

[@extrabreadsandwitch2267]

at least with pvz they didnt keep on making bad games after bfn

[@groudongamer3178]

@@extrabreadsandwitch2267 true. But still man...

[@squid-boy4178]

The thing that made me the most annoyed is what they did to chomper Yeah he might be a better character but they completely removed his ability to chomp enemies from behind which Turns him from a fun spy type character to a Awkward middle ground character that's just a worse version of pre existing characters

[@captaincrystal3705]

Literally it was probably cause it was too annoying for zombie players

[@squid-boy4178]

@@captaincrystal3705 they could have fixed him being annoying by giving chomper more mobility and changing his abilities so he didn't have to rely on stunlocks and burrow to get kills

[@lumpyam8763]

There’s An Upgrade For Him That Makes Him Chomp MUCH Faster And Move Faster When He’s In The Grody Goop, This Ability Makes Him SO OP, That I Get Vanquish Master Most Of The Times I Play As Him In Team Vanquish! There’s Another Upgrade That Make The Grody Goop Last Twice As Long Which Can Be A BIG Difference!

[@SSADO-]

Honestly? I like that it's gone. I hate playing Chomper in Gw2 and accidently chomping a zombie when i didn't want to. They shouldn've made it a different weapon but i guess what bfn did works too.

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@SSADO- should have been a 4th special ability that maybe could be triggered by the aim button? That would have made chomper a bit better and would have prevented you from accidentally eating those weakass zombies that slow you down for a few seconds unnecessairly

[@zgamer1514]

Something I never understood about this game is that they introduced Nightcap as a character, yet used a different character than the one from PvZ Heroes, which has the exact same name, a very similar design, and the exact same shtick of “ninja mushroom”. I simply don’t get why they didn’t use this design they already had, especially since I like it better for no substantial reason.

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

The old PVZ3 even refers to both designs as the same character.

[@larrydaweasel3213]

@@JustCallMeHeavy That's really odd because Night Cap from PvZH is male and bfn Night Cap is female

[@nicknamedd_]

@@larrydaweasel3213 Actually later on, the creator of the plant has stated that Nightcap is genderfluid?

[@watermelongaming3698]

@@nicknamedd_ Aliens are about to be real confused when they see humans talking about the gender of a literal mushroom.

[@SpiltMySquash]

Plant re-designs in a nutshell Sunflower, Peashooter, Corn and Chomper: pretty adorable ngl Cactus: You can tell what gender i am now Citron and Rose: MY EYES!!!!

[@ImaGreenBoi]

Cactus was a She since GW1

[@SpiltMySquash]

@@ImaGreenBoi i know but it was unclear in that game

[@SourBoy]

@@ImaGreenBoi Cactus has always been a she. Even in her first appearance in PvZ 1 her almanac entry read: "She's prickly, sure, but Cactus' spikes belie a spongy heart filled with love and goodwill."

[@JubbJubb_]

I honestly prefer BFN citron’s design, just don’t take off the customizations, please don’t… and GW2 Rose looks about 2 trillion times better than BFN rose.

[@doctahwahwee5032]

@@JubbJubb_ eh, bfn citron looks clean, but i prefer GW design, it's more detailed

[@vladd821]

I feel like they should've stopped at GW2 and either kept updating it or stopped making the third person shooters

[@likeablekiwi6265]

VR pvz would work too

[@robbartist37]

Out of all the characters changes in the game I feel like chomper got out the best since he was actually improved a lot except for the throwable spike weeds and turning them into basically into worse potato mine

[@kirbykraftgames]

He got options, which is a miracle since Super Brainz LOST options

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

He isn't as useless in Ops now.

[@robbartist37]

@@JustCallMeHeavy I don’t think chomper was useless in ops

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

@@robbartist37 I mean like, he isn't very good at damaging bosses.

[@Damian-cilr2]

@@JustCallMeHeavy agreed.But its good support for bosses as you can slow them down to a crawl with the goop

[@Lyrical14369]

Totally agree, for every 30 changes they make, about 2 of them are good. I understand people who say they prefer bfn but they changed or removed most of the best features and kept most of the bad ones

[@edgedrive_art]

I want to point out that your editing has improved quite a lot! I discovered your channel thanks to the GW1 video, and I have been subscribed ever since! Your skills have developed quite a lot since!

[@cosmicsquid1285]

Seeing the game lose support when things like ops phase 3, 5 other characters and a truck load of legendary upgrades would have been added was really sad I was looking so damn forward for a playable gargantuar and the boring ops experience of bfn turning into a strategy tower defence like Mann vs machine in tf2 and now the game has gone through mediocre strides to become popular again with it now free for PlayStation 4 and 5 for a month and then Jesus they scrapped an entirely different pvz game to get switch bfn and I just miss pvz

[@queenpen1398]

Funny that how I got into it because it free. I am enjoying myself with the game but I never played garden warfare. How ever I might try pvz gw2 it pretty cheap on the ps4 now

[@lux9910]

@@queenpen1398 gw2 is pretty fun alot of people still play it too

[@DABUNGINATOR]

They scrapped a game?

[@cosmicsquid1285]

Yeah it was either that new game or bfn on switch and they chose bfn switch

[@laron1804]

I like this game. It’s just fun to level up characters. Feels like they should add more maps and finish the swarm classes.

[@Noah-zz8uw]

I'd be truly optimistic if they "finished" this game with more swarm classes, perhaps variants, and more unique feel compared to Overwatch and such.

[@louctendo1321]

I hate leveling up Charakters but I love the game

[@Clown_the_Clown]

And don't charge 500,000 coins for them.

[@fruitsalad1362]

The title is honestly a perfect description for a lot of bfn. They changed so much for absolutely no reason when it was already fantastic. side note- i wish they would properly still support gw2

[@kurroshin750]

We need a GW3 that brings back variants and lets us migrate our characters over, like GW2 did.

[@alibi4483]

GW3 could never happen after battlefront 2 lol.

[@doverboy1]

​@@alibi4483 Ok.

[@alibi4483]

Boy I do love yt glitching and sending that 4 times

[@frowningboat8039]

I'd be happy with a gw2 like game with gw1 maps, the maps are the main reason i still play gw1

[@cactoos9793]

The trilogy makes me think of Banjo Kazooie for some reason. First two considered classics, while the "third" game isn't that good.

[@JaySteiny]

Ngl I genuinely hate the redesigns, the garden warfare games had pretty much same art style as the OG pvz games just in 3d and it looked great! Pvz already had a great art style but then completely changed it for this game for no reason! Most of the characters completely lost all the charm and appeal they had.

[@leontriestomeme9712]

What? The og games looked cartoonish, while the gw games looked hyperrealistic.

[@doctahwahwee5032]

Meh, GW fanboys, Super Brainz definitelly looks better here, he looks like a plastic chinese toy in GW

[@leontriestomeme9712]

@@doctahwahwee5032 Thank you

[@itsgrey8135]

I like the original Pvz Gw design but the pvz Gw2 gameplay is better

[@miniman04X]

I’m half and half when it comes to the redesigns. There’s some characters I think look better in BFN than GW and some that look better in GW than BFN. I personally think Imp, Enginner, Cactus an Rose look better in BFN. But I think every single browncoat, Footsoldier, Allstar and Deadbeard look better in GW. Any character I haven’t mentioned I believe looks decent in either design.

[@Caribou1997]

I recently started playing Garden Warfare. Then moved to Garden Warfare 2. But stopped at BFN. I wanted to know if others felt the same way. Glad I'm not alone. Lol. Though it does suck that BFN ended up being a disappointment. Definitely subscribed for more content though. I'm also happy to see that Garden Warfare 2 is still populated! For PS4 anyway.

[@B.veyron2005]

Don't worry Xbox is still very active

[@elo_mate9080]

I actually kind of like bfn but I had a blast playing gw 1 and 2

[@greg-fq6tn]

is it still active to this day? i’m thinking of buying it

[@Caribou1997]

@@greg-fq6tn GW2 is still active. However, do be careful. People with cheats do tend to come out every now and then. There was once a cheater who did not play a zombie or plant. He played a specific "vehicle" type of character that can only be played in Infinity Time. I know you don't know what it is but it's like a Survival type of mode. And the vehicle contains a lot of power and health, making it incredibly strong. Thing is, the vehicle is to be controlled by a player and can only fight Bots. So seeing it in a public lobby is, well. Cheating. Lol. The good news is you can play Multiplayer levels and get coins/ XP, for your characters while buying extra characters in Bots only. So essentially you can play solo, or with a friend if y'all are super bored. It's a good time killer for 2 hours. More if you get attached to the game.

[@shenanvindinu]

Gw2 is fine but BFN is going to die.

[@inkswing2292]

I still don’t understand why they didn’t bring back the torchwood and hover goat

[@nothappeningmate9402]

Gw2 was one of my favourite games of all time. Obviously I got bfn the day it came out and I only began to realise how bad it was in about a month because of how there were no variants. The only fun me and my friends could get from this game in a month was going acorn and stomping the entire lobby with a max power stump

[@sunnyd6519]

One of the worst things BFN did was my boy engineer. Who got HEAVILY changed in BFN, and for the worse. A character I loved to play with their mixed bag and aggressive playstyle with a occasional defensive ability. Turned into someone who literally stands by an automatic turret all day, shooting down a choke point without any real need to aim, who never needs to reload thanks to said turret….yeah… Oh, and thanks pop cap for making his stun now be able to linger and home in onto targets because that is *fun*

[@Deathmare235]

I love how they made him more campy to play over the games

[@Deathmare235]

That turret is op I swear it’s even stronger than the manual ones

[@watermelongaming3698]

Hey, they need a class for people like me who suck at online PvP!

[@sunnyd6519]

@@watermelongaming3698 no worries, they had space cadet in that case : D

[@thenekokatze1141]

"It feels like they wanted to inovate for the reason to inovate, that's a really bad reason to inovate" Man that video was good

[@CoolSs]

PVZGW 1-2 were in my opinion the perfect example how to be inspired by a game (tf2) but not being a cheap copy but instead becoming unique addition to the genre . Neighborville is inspired by overwatch and overwatch learned the wrong lessons from tf2 . Neighborville exist because the business model of overwatch was is what EA wanted . but by doing that . they took everything unique about PVZGW and made it a cheap copy . what is sad . because PVZGW was great and standed on it own . not saying Neighborville was 100% bad but i miss PVZGW .

[@MCToons918]

This might just be me, But as a small portion of people, I honestly Like Battle For NeighborVille. And yes I have played the previous Garden Warfare Games. I understand what is bad and such but in full honesty, I think the game is great. I know it's not as good as the other ones and they tried a few things that were new. But I still consider this game to be at minimum a decent Garden Warfare Experience. And at the end of the day it is my opinion. I think all the games are great. And still looking forward to the next entry of this wonderful 3rd person shooter series.

[@kyvremthedestroyer9085]

I honestly think that being able to play as a regular plant/zombie (swarm characters) is really cool! The variants would’ve made it cooler, of course

[@BrandonTheFern]

If the game had variants it would actually be a success

[@collinmcadams5983]

The performance of this game honestly saddens me, not even because I thought it was better than the first two or anything. It wasn’t really a great game, but the fact that it did SO awful gives us very little chance of ever seeing ANOTHER game within the Garden Warfare style of gameplay.

[@thegreatpapyrus7319]

I think there are things to praise about BFN. Maps were decent all around: there's no amazing or horrendous ones. Single player was also solid. Art style was very fun and the cosmetics were really good, and the switch version removing microtransactions and in general polishinga few things was also nice.. But yeah change for the sake of change isn't something I think is a good step for any series to take. No varients ( biggest problem in my opinion ) makes the game get stale even quicker than the first 2 games. Classifying each character, while giving them purposes, means all the characters no longer have varied playstyles: for example, you can no longer play Captain Deadbeard as a close range characters due to his rubbish shotgun or Sunflower as an offensive character due to the HEAVY emphasis on her supper abilities ( which is broken ). The art style, is fun as I said before, but I still actually think GW1 looks the best: less is more ( also the characters... some look as good and some much worse, but none better to me ). Microtransactions are still way too prominent ( on consoles and pc at least ). So all in all, I'd give it like a 5/10 but it's nowhere near as good as the other 2 games in my opinion I will say though, Snapdragon I adore and will always be sad it's only in this game

[@Punchbadguy]

I feel the best thing about the multiplayer were the upgrades since it can give a lot of different playstyles. For example: you can run a health upgrade and nutty feedback on acorn to make a more solo play style. Or you can run upgrades to make the oak’s power increase.

[@And20s]

You can do that in gw2 too

[@Gooise_]

@@And20s but way better

[@tommyrocket2105]

i played this game without having played the previous ones except for the og PvZ and i really enjoyed it, i do think it could benifit from more characters, but overall its pretty enjoyable in my opinion.

[@mega7979]

if the devs find a way to mix the good traits of BFN and the good traits of GW2 they could possibly make the best shooter to ever exist

[@Squeezee114]

It's really nice hearing someone's unbiased thoughts on BfN, and despite my soft spot for it I definitely agree with most of your points. Very nice video by the by.

[@fishingrod2253]

yeah, not like 90% of those who just dislike it because of the variants, that's just one of the problems the game has

[@fishingrod2253]

@@disgustingegg2847 good for you man

[@ogalog]

@@disgustingegg2847 i respectfully disagree

[@smisty9642]

@@fishingrod2253 that's like saying that you would dislike minecraft 2 because they remove mining. Yes, it is one problem, but it is a extremely major problem.

[@ZippiestArc2206]

BFN in my opinion was an amazing game, lots of missions to keep you busy, acorn and space cadet were so fun with friends, new customization for the upgrades, and overall lots to do. But you pull up incredible points that me loving this game can even back up. The missions do get repetitive but every mission is different. The changes with giddy park are cool but the stickers are the worst. The feel isn’t that good as gw2 but I want it to feel the same or even better. If only ea were to come back to this game and fix everything the community has to say would make a great turn. I 100% agree with everything you have stated but I don’t want to accept it because I have had way to much fun on bfn for that small period of time. Hope everything goes well to the viewer reading this and have a wonderful day or night.

[@sprinkleman8103]

I agree with you so much. The reasons people dislike this game is because of no variants and sprinting which im perfectly fine with

[@nomercy12377]

@@sprinkleman8103 exactly

[@DinosaurToothbrush_NinjaSauce]

Hmm...your words move my criticisms. Perhaps I’ll give this a shot on the Switch when I get the money.

[@chug_42]

- said no one ever

[@kauanjos3199]

I'm having so much fun with BFN i played a lot of gw2 but i seriously can't go back because of spriting gw2 feels so slow now lol

[@fortheburbsandmemes7419]

Friendly advice Gw2 is more better if you like and experience where you like given a certain character class or varients made by the developers to play while bfn is more like given the material to play the character how you want to play the character using the upgrades and possibly creating variants along the way. Overall this is a great review even though I like bfn over gw2 this was probably the best argument against bfn.

[@papasmirk2883]

Even though this game made really poor changes i can't hate this game I find it fun and come back to it often still gw2 will always be better

[@HorseshoesInFannypacks]

True, I don’t think it’s bad, it has flaws but it’s still fun and interesting.

[@yapyapthedestroyer2562]

To me, if bfn had enough time as gw2, and just as much or more updates as both gw games, balancing Issues and people just gave it more of a chance, it could’ve been better. Not gw better, but PvZ better.

[@eligibson3572]

100% agree this basically sums up my feelings for bfn

[@mattpecasting7965]

Your coverage of Plants Vs Zombies is truly incredible. So entertaining! More pvz videos please!

[@DiamondDestroyer-ni4ll]

I remember playing garden warfare 2 with my friend all of the time, always playing garden/graveyards ops, and always using electro peashooter at whatever chance I had. It's a real shame they decided to get rid of the variants, as I loved them and their unique playstyles. Currently as I'm revisiting Gw2 (and starting over because my previous progress didn't save), I'm having a lot of fun with it and remember how fun it was to get all of the variants and use their unique playstyles, and when I started battle for neighborville I was very shocked to see that they removed the variants. Removing the variants severely limits the game and makes it a lot less fun (as said in the video. Man I miss electro peashooter.

[@Cringotakub]

Personally I really loved this game. I had so much fun trying to 100% every open world. The multiplayer on the other hand... I hate it.

[@Phoen1xGen]

Ah, a fellow offline enjoyer.

[@GNVS300]

Loving the inclusion of the depressing funeral music during the campaign demos.

[@CasualKrieger]

This game had so much potential, the lobby, the characters and the new crisp artstyle (apart from the citron and other reskins) looks good, if this was like an overhaul of gw2 but still had the gw2 gameplay it would be awesome

[@nationalbullet6019]

I actually really like this game, even though I prefer the card packs of the original, it's still fun

[@DJDarkDarsi]

With the Character Varients being removed and replaced by the... skills? Abilities? Perks? Whatever they were, you could no longer tell at glance what sort of fight you were about to take part in, three peashooters could look identical, and one could set me on fire, one could vamp my health away and one would just, pick the others up immediately after they downed... it just, confused everything so much worse than just overcovering cosmetics the prior games may have had.

[@Harrison_big_lad]

I can never truly leave BFN because of the based giga Chad TV head

[@adisappointedfbiagent449]

You forgot to mention the worst part of all of this: That EA is trying to shove Battle for Neighborville down our throats and leaving GW2 pretty much in the dust. Honestly, even if BFN was a great game they should have kept supporting GW2!! I mean come on! Not only have they made terrible game but they are neglecting the good ones made prior and trying to forcefully shove it in our faces.

[@sprinkleman8103]

I love BFN but i feel like its unfair that EA is trying to eradicate people from playing GW2. It was a great game and now EA is trying to destroy it to force people to play the most recent game

[@AdamSmasherReal]

They just released gw2 on steam for $7 and now it has like 3000 players on average

[@OsirisTisMyName]

Bfn feels like an improvement to gw1, but not gw2 gw2 is just amazing (edit: now i look back at my comment, and i think to myself, this is BS, gw1 is better)

[@eliassideris2037]

GW1 was the best PvZ shooter. BFN is garbage. GW2 was good, but the game had balance issues. For example, in a 1v1, it felt like the player with the stronger character would win the fight, not the better player. That kinda ruined GW2 for me, but I'd say I fairly enjoyed it. How the heck BFN feels like an improvement to GW1? It just so unplayably clunky.

[@OsirisTisMyName]

@@eliassideris2037 I think the unbalancing is what made it fun though, it gives you something else to think about when in combat and makes it so you really have to think about your move, and who to go for, it was just so chaotic and I loved it, however BFN was TOOOOOO balanced, now it's kinda boring

[@justafurrywithinternet317]

_DON'T YOU FLUFFIN DARE COMPARE THE BEST GAME OF 2014 AND BfN_

[@OsirisTisMyName]

@@justafurrywithinternet317 i deserve to die for my comment

[@justafurrywithinternet317]

@@OsirisTisMyName _well I mean it's not that bad people can have their opinions_

[@krillinzbeatboysoffical]

I can definitely understand where you're coming from with all of this, and I definitely agree with most of it. The single player campaign really should have had more diversity, and it did get stale after a while. But, I'll be honest, I had so much fucking fun with this game when I played it for the switch. I can't speak for the other ports, but bfn on the switch was so charming and fun. I only ever played offline, and even then, I had so much fun with the game. The gameplay style is really fun, and the fact you can only play with base classes, honestly makes the game better. It feels like bfn should be something that someone plays before jumping into gw2, (if you just never sprint, because it's jarring not being able to do that in gw2.) Because you don't have so many extra options, and you have to go with just the base classes. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying I prefer it this way, but I really feel that it's so telling that the base character classes are just kinda throw away parts of the game, when as soon as you get the game, you're gifted with a character pack. Having to play with actually characters instead of sub characters, is honestly a nice touch, it makes the game feel more unique. But, as you said, the variants are pretty much the only unique part of the garden Warfare games. Though, I still think at the end of the day, this game really should have been updated more. More classes, more game modes and maybe even maps. This game had a lot of potential, and though it's still enjoyable without it, it still didn't reach it. All in all, I'd still reccomend it. Only on the switch, and half because it's really fun being able to play it on the go, but this game is still great, and I had a lot of fun playing it.

[@Dinofaniguess]

The legendary costumes should of instead been variants I mean just imagine how sick a crystal snap dragon would be as a variant

[@Waltuhonyoutube]

This game has been living with me literally. I was a diehard pvz fan ever since i was 6 until i was 11. Ive always came back to the franchise every year atleast once after my diehard phase ended. Rest in peace to one of my favorite game series. U will be very missed

[@doug2555]

Haha, this was all critique from a CONSOLE point of view as well... Now let me tell you about how bad it was on PC... The PvZ series INCLUDING the Garden Warfare games were aimed towards children. GW1 and GW2 were already pretty unpopular on PC, considering they had pretty high graphics that were way too much to handle for a cheap laptop or PC (plus, consoles are just much more popular among children). This means that the only players were either children that had good money from their parents, or proper gamers who were old enough to get their own expensive stuff. Of course, this is the main reason that the PC playerbase for all games has been lacking SEVERELY compared to console (even when GW2 was still super popular and booming, you could only find games on Turf Takeover because there were that little players). This issue only became worse for PC in BfN... The engine and performance were TERRIBLY optimized. On the lowest settings, you could barely squeeze 40-50 FPS assuming that you had a solid mid-end PC. (I have a pretty expensive laptop that runs most games fine including GW2 on a smooth 60 fps, yet with BfN, my laptop always struggled). Sometimes you would play the game, and you'd have this weird stutter issue that was unfixable as far as I'm concerned. There'd be times where I had to limit myself to only campaign/ single player because I'd have this weird stutter for a week or so, making the game unplayable, only for it to miraculously disappear for a week or two, finally making multiplayer playable for a little while. I've searched far and wide on discords and subreddits, and a lot of people had to same issue yet they all had no idea how to fix it. My friend bought the game for 40 damn dollars or whatever it was worth during founders edition, and he couldn't even fit a single hour into the game because of this stutter that never went away for him. Granted, he had a cheaper laptop than me, but he ran GW2 perfectly just like I could. PC was absolutely torturous to play not only for me, but I'm sure a lot of people who don't have a $2K+ setup. Combine this with other bad aspects of the game, and you could BARELY find a multiplayer match a good 3-4 months (ONLY) in the games lifespan. At least on console, you can STILL find games if you try hard enough. On PC, you just get loaded up with 2 other new players who were unlucky enough to buy the game right as it died, and then the rest of the players are AI with perfect aim and are just not at all fun to play against.

[@wanderingjackalmain4523]

I just want to say, as a PS4 player who picked up BFN last month because it was free and has been playing it for almost 2 weeks now, there seems to be a fairly healthy population of players all around. Also, Turf Takeover matches are completely full around 85% of the time and matchmaking is fast.

[@sigismund2061]

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[@Obi-Wan_Kenobi]

As a Star Wars fans who was forced to sit through the Last Jedi, there is nothing I hate more than change for the sake of change.

[@ochoforreals]

Unrelated, but something I always thought about for a potential BfN sequel, would to bring back variants in a different way. Bring them back in the form of side-grade weapons, but make them more unique. More similar to tf2 side-grades, some of these alt weapons would be recreations of the more unique variants from GW2 and GW. Variants like Nec Rose, Plumber, Z7, Law Pea, Legends, Super Commando, etc. Variants with gimmicks would come back in these alt weapons, along with new weapons which would be original in this hypothetical game, though the more bland variants, like variants that gain a certain elemental effect, wouldn't be make it back (since kind of want naturally elemental classes like snapdragon to actually have purpose). The primary reason as to why I would like variants to be replaced with alt weapons, is because I really like the costume feature in BfN, and I want that to still be a thing. A good compromise I thought for those who liked the designs of the old variants, would be to have all the old variants to come back as complete recreations of their designs, in the form of costumes. I really like the upgrade system, but I don't like that it replaced variants. I think we could keep the same upgrade system, but expand it. You could have upgrades for alt weapons, the base character, and ability upgrades (obviously, new alt abilities would be brought back, something that I cant forgive BfN for removing).

[@captain3413]

Btw, I think you should have mentionted the last released map in BFN, because it was really good. The setting is cool, the design is great and most importantly - the size. Damn... that map is HUGE. And this is the coolest thing about it

[@GodLightStem]

what is the coolest thing abt it?

[@mr.tatortot6469]

The outfits look so good why couldn't they be variants?

[@fishingrod2253]

inovation for the sake of inovation which is really bad inovation

[@dylansuperti214]

I know but the franchises wanted to try something new and get feedback as always but not a lot of people liked that they tried that new thing

[@ImaGreenBoi]

The Game Wanted to Try something different, leaving to one side the variants and Making More Unique Classes with his own gimmicks, but the Player Base don't understand that and they Just Hate BFN for that

[@fishingrod2253]

@@dylansuperti214 because they executed it horribly?

[@fishingrod2253]

@@ImaGreenBoi or maybe because it makes the game a boring mess and also making the characters unbalanced asf. Please watch the video instead of assuming things

[@Azerwite]

"why does the game wasen't released as normal" Because some hackers did leak a beta footage of the trailer before the release of the full one , so Ea (by fear of making wait the comunity for to long) decided to launch the game sooner

[@wannabesurferdude6385]

I feel like an Overwatch-like PvZ shooter could work if they designed classes from the ground up and didn’t mainly just modify pre-existing ones from GW2. It obviously wouldn’t be “unique”, but it could work and be fun. Case in point, I think a lot of the new classes and ideas are awesome and it’s a shame they had to debut in an unsuccessful game.

[@IronSalamander8]

Great video. I did get all the characters to max level in BfN, which was a chore for sure, especially after doing so in GW and GW2 where it never felt like a grind. Those Grandmaster levels they added really made it a slog. GW2 is my favorite of the 3 games, and BfN my least favorite. I got in on Founders day one and while my first impressions were largely positive about the game's future, despite how buggy and broken things were, the game never reached that potential and apparently it sold poorly compared to GW and GW2. I still play all 3 games, but GW2 far and away the most. We need an actual GW3 that keeps some of BfN's better ideas (like overheat indicators on the HUD), but returns to what we love about GW and GW2. Your video's subtitle: 'Change for the sake of change' is spot on, and it's why so many people are still upset about BfN and how it just didn't work out well. I don't hate the game, but it pales in comparison to GW and GW2.

[@Nitosa]

A example: They seriously went from tf2 weapon system to overwatch class system.

[@1600-e4c]

I love PVZ it’s self. From first coming to America I would play PVZ on my cousins DS. Then to buying their comics and other PVZ games. This will forever be my childhood, thank you Popcap!

[@helojones6040]

I just hope plants vs zombie garden warfare can still recover from this

[@Belisarius1648]

Pray for it.

[@IbnBarakah]

like 2 months ago you were at a couple hundred subs now you are at 6k congrats your growing fast! (say if im wrong lol)

[@frootluips7970]

An ice snapdragon is an idea so easily thought of that for a second I forgot that the game had no variants.

[@luuc4sflp]

Man, GW1 was so much fun, you have no idea how many days I spent just playing it on my PS3 because I had nothing else to.

[@PepeLa_]

Why can't EA sell their dormant IPs, if they don't plan on making another 3D PvZ shooter then let someone else.

[@JamesDHalliday]

I would absolutely love to see another PVZ GW game with more variants and returning variants and characters

[@xdem6746]

“Rose just sucks” YOU ARE GRANDMASTER 5 ON ROSE WHAT

[@Creeper0224]

I have hopes that PopCap will make a REAL successor to GW2 and actually be GW3. And lemme just say real quick, I've been playing a massive amount of GW2 lately, I played it back when it released and come back to it periodically, but of all the games I've played, The Backyard Battleground is THE best hub world I've ever experienced. Simply the accessibility to the other sides' base, the way thing can spiral out of control, and the simplicity. So detailed too

[@yokusai593]

The sprinting mechanic is what killed it for me. The fact that you couldn’t shoot or use your abilities while running was a terrible design choice. You were constantly switching between fast and slow gameplay, it just felt bad. Especially for a Sunflower main like myself, trying desperately to keep my heal beam hooked up to my sprinting teammate while I myself am forced to walk…

[@dr-chompz7312]

Yeah I didnt mind bfn but sprinting was the worst that came from it. Not only did it butcher alot of characters (peashooter, sunflower and scientist to name a few) but most combat was boring and unsatisfying if the opponent would just sprint away or attempt to sprint away. Plus garden warfare (intended or not) had really unique momentum based movement which is pretty much void in bfn due to the addition of sprinting as well as the very flat maps.

[@TunettiSpaghetti]

I do miss the varients, but I do have a bit of fun playing it, at times.

[@BasmatiRice96]

still like the first game the most, it was just perfect, not to many chars, good maps and fun combat.

[@Dr-re4jm]

I actually like this game but i can understand and respect you opinion pretty good video either way

[@fishingrod2253]

^This, you stupid bfn fans, is how you respect a opinion, no assumptions or insults, just respect

[@TheTrueUltimateGenLifeform]

@@fishingrod2253 As a BFN fan, I agree

[@JubbJubb_]

@@fishingrod2253 you just called BFN fans stupid, but said for us to respect your opinions. Fuck off.

[@fishingrod2253]

@@JubbJubb_ proved my point without me having to say anything

[@fishingrod2253]

@@JubbJubb_ you wanna know why i say that? Is because of people like you trying to make us look like haters, except you failed terribly, you are the reason why bfn fans look like joke, take an opinion and deal with it

[@alex-zj6ef]

i just want a gw3. varients and the sticker packs was so fun. id hope theyd bring all the characters plus some more and plenty of varients for each of them. i also want more single player exploration in the hub. giddy park just doesnt do it. and give us the old art style back! knowing ea they dont care and will just do whatever gets them money. i wish this game was bought by a company with more passion.

[@joeschipper6465]

Tbh if they make a gw3 itd redeem it tho tbh, a lot of ppl dont even know bfn existed because the marketing was a joke lol and the garden warfare name will sell any day

[@Watterpng]

I really liked the video but... I have certain things that don't end up convincing me, I know that everyone has their own opinion and I agree about many things, such as how expensive the skins are or just costumes, but the truth is something so secondary and that the only thing it gives you is a nice suit and sometimes not even that but I understand what you mean by that topic, the story mode is something that is not perfect and that repeats the formula, but that it is done does not mean that It's boring even though I understand the various things you complained about even though, I feel a bit forced about certain complaints, but I don't understand that about the maps, it is undeniable that pvz garden warfare has the best maps and that the bfns are too short which It's frustrating, but what I don't understand is the camping, in pvz garden warfare 1 it's full of places to camp, I'm not saying they're bad, but I don't think it's so necessary to say that I do camp, the maps are literally full of invisible walls to avoid that, you can barely climb the trees, what I do understand but at the same time I find it hard to think is that the variants are fun to a certain extent, everyone says that they are the ultra best thing essence but they are things to get money and if they are "original" but if you don't pay you stay behind, as a child I barely got 2 or 3 variants or which ones, they left me disappointed, I didn't stop me from leaving the game but I did so that I ignored them for complete, if something small, in garden warfare do the main characters even care? and it frustrates me a bit that all the criticisms are based on VARIATES, being that it does give them a fresh air but, they are not the most wow thing that exists in the world, nor are they the fairest thing, but I liked the video and the fact that he said things as they are and his opinion,

[@6gamerguy995]

I'm gonna be honest i Love BFN, there was a lot of time in between me playing the first two games when i was little and playing bfn and probably because of that i really enjoyed the game. The artstyle and new characters also pulled me back into this series, and because I didn't unlock a lot of the different variants in gw1 and gw2 i personally don't have a problem with having costumes instead, but i can see why people are upset about that. the whole thing is a Better Overwatch which is good

[@attictrash7703]

the more i played bfn, the more i felt what you were saying. there are some characters i enjoy a lot more here tho, like super brainz and chomper, but theres just a lot that fails compared to gw2, especially as i play it more. should gw3 drop, they just need to leave in some small QoL stuff, like sprinting and walking through allies. those are changes that i really enjoy more than stuff in gw2, even if it seems small.

[@zomhuman6270]

7:43 ayo that tv head do got an army tho

[@ThomasL1d]

I liked the classic style of gw2 and they should add the boss mode in from gw1 into bfn it would be so cool

[@ButterPops21]

rose does not suck. im not lieing in battle arena i defeated 4 poeple who were all coming at me.

[@chadchadington1736]

I'm sure when the license gets close to expiring they'll make a new game and hopefully it'll end up being a garden warfare 3

[@Gyyghhhhjjjkk]

1."Garden warfare was only popular because of the large character selections" not true at all, garden warfare gameplay wise was a lot more casual and designed for every age possible and its never meant to be super competitive to begin with which is also the core reason why it was endorsed by alot. Character variation is true being a prime reason of the downfall of bfn but that wasn't the only point 2. "character designs in bfn is awful" Personal aesthetic appeals purely here, though I would agree rose looks horrible in the new one. Citron on the other hand apart from the visor its a upgrade. Citron's gun in my opinion a way better design than the previous one. It actually looks like a real combination of both plants and futuristic tech in one piece instead of a oddly orange colored gun. PVZ was never meant to be serious to begin with its meant to be ridiculous and funny which is the reason of why GW is even developed. 3. "Character reworks are bad" There are actually a couple of good ones and especially Citron. GW2 ever since the rework of all citrons they basically butchered toxic and electro and the rest of the cast became a specific hit and run character where as originaly citron was a multirole character that can tackle a lot of tasks at once. Here in BFN his shield is a lot more impactful and his gun actually feels decently lethal at longer ranges. I would say that I didn't like what they did with the laser but they could have made the laser at least a temporary upgrade to the weapon that doesn't automatically fires without the player's conscent. 4. "BFN is a horrible game" not true, its meh at best but mainly because of higher expectations which we have the right to have completely. After the last success of the two GW games we should deserve a even better game and they failed to do so. Its not bad by any means to play but just a lot duller and less content than the previous two.

[@Blossoming_Fate]

PvZ:BfN was my introduction to the series. I knew about Garden Warfare 2, but never got the chance to play it so when BfN came out I hoped on early. As a person who never played the earlier games the campaigns were... Fine I guess, but there was way to much tedious monotony with the collectable hunting and not enough actual campaign. Multiplayer was also fun for me, but there's just no staying power. I hop on play 2 or 3 games and I've have my full for the day and about a week and a half after I'm ready to move on. Overall I'd say the game is 4/10. It's not straight up bad, but it's just why do you exist. What's your purpose. You don't do anything.

[@mercydrive00]

Upgrade system was neat Sprinting animations were sick Maps were too repitive I wanted a legendary upgrade for night cap but make her a melee class with more health and every time u kill someone u get a shadow sneak charge

[@jarenalfred66]

I like the artstyle *of some of the characters* and stories of bfn but I like the classes and pvp and ops of gw/gw2 more and would want more. Especually if they add the extra characters from bfn, take out the sprinting, change back to the backyard and give every character at least the 4 main elements of toxin, electric, fire, and ice as well as the unique classes. They really need to make a gw3 because if they just look at the lobbies of even gw1 they would realise how lucritive just making another one would be.

[@palmberry5576]

In my opinion, the first game was the best. Not too much visual clutter, balanced maps, fun combat.

[@someblacktea1694]

I’ll be honest, if gw3 was to drop and all it did was expand upon the content of gw2, it would be an absolute unbalanced hot mess that the devs would probably drop faster then bfn. A lot of bfn’s changes were needed. A lot of the characters needed reworks because of there outdated designs from the original game. Now a lot of changes were unneeded, like the warp and enigma Invincibility buffs. Overall I just feel like some people want gw3 but do not understand what that entails. Gw2 itself is an unbalanced hot mess, I could not imagine an even bigger version of the game. Idk man, that’s just my thoughts about the situation.

[@unfunnyguy1530]

I mean, garden warfare was never meant to be competitive in the first place, so technically it was bfn's problem

[@funnyskeleton9492]

Which is exactly why I believe bfn would’ve been better off as a single players game,not only would it be easier to manage without having to stress as much about balance,but it could also expand on the best part of bfn (the free roam regions). A game like what I just mentioned apparently was briefly considered during gw 2’s development,but got canceled,and I’d say it’s likely that it was later molded into bfn ironically enough.

[@gabriel_2729]

id love to see a video about you talking about whether you think pvz gw3 could happen and things you would like to see in it. your contents amazing man keep up. the great work

[@philbertshmilbert1551]

Neighborville is still a good game, and if it were a standalone, would probably be a classic. Don't get me wrong, Gw2 is still far better, but the only reason people say they hate it is because its deviates very far from the classic 2.

[@nooby3456]

The game would be legendary if the graphics were better, if the boss animations from pvz 1 (where boss actually does something at the cutscene) were brought back and if the characters wouldn't be overpowered or underpowered

[@laval0910]

The dreadwood fight for me was mega easy. I was an imp and i got a litch with my mech which basically made me an imp with immortallity

[@xct8129]

13:50 I was so focused on what u were saying that I didn't even realise the screen fade until it fully dissappeared😂

[@unclegrandpagaming165]

Here we go…. BFN video is here baby I personally think it’s alright, but it’s flawed It had great ideas but very poor execution :/

[@justabag668]

Popcap and PVZ Community: "I fear no man, but that thing..." *Shows picture of EA Logo* Popcap and PVZ Community: *It scares me...*

[@BigBadBloss]

You're telling me that soldier zombot isn't a newcomer? Opportunity Missed.

[@JustCallMeHeavy]

Robo Zombie?

[@ImNotAshhhhhhh]

This game is unplayable on PC. Almost everytime I spawn in, I am invisible and can’t control the character so I have to restart the game until it’s all good again and even then, it’s ridiculously graphic intensive