Player Housing Could CHANGE WoW Forever

[@Daemos66]

I guess I'm one of the only people who has never cared about player housing. I've always thought the class or faction halls have seemed cooler.

[@karlzone2]

Thing is, it's not gameplay/content. It's just your collections tab. I'm not logging on to fly around in my player house and look at achievements.

[@AndrewH9999]

​@@karlzone2also gives them infinite more avenues for microtransactions...

[@Darth0308]

@@karlzone2 Im not either but Im usually solo. I can see how the RP community or folks with friends can get behind it.

[@preds43]

Order Halls:

[@zc644]

I agree daemos66

[@Craul08]

It will probably be like the housing in SWTOR where there are 'hooks' in specific locations and then objects that go on the matching sized hooks.

[@anteprs7908]

that be perfect swtor has some if not the best housing

[@candlestyx8517]

If they took inspiration from the housing in SWTOR and WildStar then it will be pretty great.

[@premiumfruits3528]

It's going to be ESO. Same parent company. MS owns WoW now, remember?

[@Craul08]

@@premiumfruits3528 ESO has full 'put anything anywhere' though. a 2004 game engine can't do that as Mike explained.

[@NotSeger]

@@premiumfruits3528 Thats not how game developing works lol. WoW engine is +25 years old at this point (since start of development).

[@needsanameedit4982]

No implementation of housing could possibly live up to the expectations, dreams and hype of players who have been asking for it all these years. Really hope they put out something to manage the player expectations soon or else it will fail to land with the players it is targeting.

[@SoulOfFenrir]

The problem is if it isn't too the standard of gw2/eso/FFXIV.

[@michaelkovalsky4907]

I suspect that it will be a goldsink of sorts. Certainly with lots of items earnable via in-game triumphs, but undoubtedly some gold sinks as well. Totally fine, mind you. As long as there are ample locations (or at least an ever-growing number of areas) for us to just choose a house would be excellent. Idk if I care to have a guild hall type area, could be cool, but I think keeping it micro would make it much more interesting

[@waltwhite8126]

@@michaelkovalsky4907 guild hall is a must and will be a wasted opportunity if they don't make it.

[@dragonriderabens9761]

@@waltwhite8126 IDK about a must, but I 1000% agree it would be a MASSIVELY missed opportunity that MANY people would be VERY pissed over

[@Viertis]

It wont be though. Those Engines were built with housing being part of the system. GW2 personal housing came later right, but they had Guild housing which is more or less the same thing. While the engine that WoW runs on has been upgraded a LOT since its initial iteration, like in Classic vehicles didnt exists because the tech wasnt there yet, housing is going to be very basic I believe, at least to start with. Though I hope I am wrong.

[@matrixcom69]

I fully expect a smaller scale garrison where you choose based on location of the items. Like this spot is a lamp spot, this spot is a poster spot, this spot is for your bed or shelf, etc. A lot like how they did mount customization.

[@ralph4370]

Kinda like GTA Online, In the higher end properties such as the Casino Penthouse you can only add certain items to certain locations.

[@corsaircarl9582]

I think it'd be more like SWTOR's housing.

[@keithb6344]

Ion said in an interview a while ago if they couldn’t do it with thins like free placement and freedom, he didn’t want to do it. Times change and direction change, but that was something I remember.

[@vvdulw]

pfp, I know what kind of man you are

[@Davivd2]

@@keithb6344 What Ion says and what Microsoft tells Ion to do are two very different things.

[@borga6566]

I was watching an interview about this with Ion, and the impression I've gotten is that their initial launch for player housing may be seen as small, but he said that it'll be an evergreen feature that will be built upon forever. I hope that, even if it is "small" at first, they come out with a lot of customizations. Player housing with very few customizations will just really disappoint and potentially piss people off, but it'll treated even more harshly than garrisons because people will naturally think they've 'learned their lessons'.

[@itsdjdw]

I think the pre-order for Midnight will include early access for Player Housing

[@PLanTonN]

It'd probably just allow us to play early again. BUT, you are on to something, the $150 version will probably include some fancy "Welcome" mats for your home. And then 2 weeks later a better version of it ends up on the store.

[@rep8778]

I think player housing will be good as long as blizzard doesn't try to put an entire economy behind it.

[@MrDsilvia]

I think you can pretty much guarantee that they're going to put an entire economy. Behind it, there's going to be a whole new currency. There's going to be professions, there's going to be all this s*** to convolute it two absolute here and back

[@GorehowlBeardhead]

Furniture on the store day 1 You're welcome

[@thenecron97]

I understand technical restrictions are a thing, so im setting my expectations to be about the same as SWTOR. Because it has the plugs and sockets system like garrisons, but with size and positioning ability. I feel like that is plausible as a direct upgrade to a system originally iterated on in the form of garrisons

[@Pandanubex]

BURN THE FK OUT of garrisons systems i will not do that again EVER, i literraly quit wow if they make me do garrisons or some similar shit again

[@Icycrits]

The OldSchool Runescape housing system is basically similar to what garrisons did, but instead of predetermining where something goes, instead things are predetermined in "room types" like a dungeon room, a chapel room, or a throne room, then you can rotate the rooms and connect them to other rooms in your house to make it one functional unit as a whole. The room "hotspots" where you choose what to build are all predetermined, but the variety in what you can put in said slots is varied enough to be somewhat interesting. To top it all off, they also made houses very functional and integral to the gameplay experience to where it is extremely beneficial to visit them often for their perks, BUT apart from training construction (which is your house-building profession) there are very few reasons to stay in your instanced home for extended periods of time. Instead, you are motivated to do things outside of your PoH to bring back to your home to mount up on the walls or use extremely expensive item sinks to decorate your home more beautifully. I believe this is the kind of system we should expect to see in WoW, more so than something like XIV's. It won't be anything nearly as interesting, but it should be something players will enjoy!

[@TheHeartlessFour]

If they want to succeed where garrisons failed. They need to make it separate from core gameplay. You HAD to do garrisons in WoD, it was a fundamental part of the experience, and tied to player "power", story, and systems, it also rendered the player hub for the expansion obsolete. Housing needs to be just about flair, and player expression that people can just do on the side for fun.

[@hobosnake1]

It would be completely fine if quests take you to your home sometimes. Or it serves as kind of a class order hall for midnight where you're planning things there but are only there briefly. There's so much fun stuff they could do without making the game about sitting in your home. They can lightly tie it in without the mistakes of WoD happening. Doesn't take a genius to think of a few ways to do so. It's also something Blizzard are keenly aware of. The hate for Garrisons. Blizzard devs have openly talked about the issues with WoD garrisons. It would be incredibly odd if they made that same mistake, as it is something they've stated over and over again was a mistake. Imagine a quest where you return home and it's been booby-trapped by a dreadlord or something. There's cool things they can do.

[@TripluB]

There it is , in my point of view right here lays the problem “ on the side FOR FUN” , it feels like the fun died once i had to monitor 5 hp bars while dealing damage and paying attention to mechanics for a chance at finishing a dungeon only to get 50 gold either this or i’m getting old

[@samgc3650]

Can't wait to purchase the store in Stormwind's main street and kick Renato Gallina from standing in front of it!

[@matrixcom69]

29.99

[@spastictuesdays340]

@@matrixcom69 Think $199.99

[@alyishiking]

I'm kicking all the night elves out of Bel'ameth. That place is my aesthetic.

[@JM-md4ri]

You’ll get the same instanced plot of land as everyone else in the buttcrack of elwynn

[@samgc3650]

Let me purchase Northshire and have the newbies do chores for me

[@scionicog]

I just got to your discussion on Housing. But Garrisons was a staple to the expansion, they were THE thing that was supposed to be really cool about WoD Player Housing seems like an addition to what is to come, not part of an expansion, but at the very least, a key part to some players experience. I'm a casual collector mostly, so housing just added a ton of collecting for me to do

[@toney001]

I think this comes at a time where Blizzard already learned that they need to listen to their players and (mostly) give them what they want, so I have faith that they'll have learned from the mistakes of the Garrison system. I believe in them.

[@shadowdragon8168]

7:17 I think we will be seeing a legion remix on the next road map, if you notice right at the end where the weird stone is, the line from autumn to winter gradually changes to a chaos green color, which nothing coming out for retail that we know about is associated with the legion or fel

[@Davivd2]

The problem with things being broken, is that nobody even realizes that it's broken. In Classic TBC pre patch for Wrath scourge event, partially went on (mini acropoli) were all over the place for 3 months. Numerous posts were on realm forums, but forums, any forum that you could imagine. I used a method that I won't share to actually talk to a GM and make them aware of the issue. It was fixed an hour later. There is NOBODY watching things once they are released into the wild.

[@American_Trucker85]

Love that you are keeping it real about the player housing. I too am keeping my expectations low bc of WOD and bc of blizzard’s current events.

[@hobosnake1]

What are their worst current events? I thought people were pretty happy with system and game design with TWW, and most people like where the lore is going in the macro sense, just that TWW is slow right now, as it's the expansion of exposition, being part of a 3 expansion saga. Plus it's headed by the creator of the Warcraft story. The game has 7 million subscribers. It seems like the current events are good? I'm not trying to say you're wrong for your opinion, I'm just wondering what these current events are.

[@Xcitng1988]

@@hobosnake1 probably the $100 mount in the store

[@charlethemagne5466]

@@hobosnake1 Idk where you're getting this nonsense from but people aren't happy about the lore or the systems, and if you don't know what current events people are on about then you need to do some research.

[@tipep]

To be fair, WoD Classic might be an okay experience if they do some changes and especially with the Patch Cadence being different than it was at launch.

[@flech3025]

They could speed up the WoD patch cadence so the expansion is over in 6 months and people would still run out of stuff to do in that expansion. LOL

[@liucconen]

WoD is still a tough nut to crack. Classic would have better cadence, but it lacks the "new cool" actual WoD launched with. WoD had not just low content cadence but kinda broken max level systems. Most reps were just a soulless grind for absolutely trivial rewards, Garrisons were not just antisocial but a clunky feature that lacked ultimate end goals, and 5-mans were inherently dead content. Also, there just isn't that much stuff. If you went to play WoW now and started from scratch to do all WoD content, you'd be done in maybe a month, or two just because campaing quests are time-gated to once in a week. Raids and 150k apexis crystal mount might keep us entertained enough to not quit but if Cata Classic already saw people dropping off, so will WoD. My favourite thing about WoD max level was Ashran, but I can do that in retail, and based on Classic server balance, it might actually even be a better experience.

[@Gigatoast]

Many people want ESO housing, but we are going to get a swtor-lite at the very most.

[@D4rkc14ymor3]

SWTOR housing is dope AF, there is a house with 3 different private PvP arenas. You say that as if it's a bad thing.

[@Gigatoast]

@@D4rkc14ymor3 swtor housing isnt bad, but swtor-lite imo will be basic square rooms with a couple different sized hooks. But there wont be any resizing or rotating tools with said hooks. All the decor will only be able to be placed on certain sized hooks. Thats what I think we will get.

[@leonardceres9061]

I didn’t really have any problem with the Garrison‘s per se. Partly because I was more or less playing very lightly during WOD.. I was using that time to work on my career. So unfortunately, I didn’t really do very much with that expansion at all but in a game that is supposed to be social I can see why people were a little upset about it.

[@rawrimabunny]

my idea is this is going to be a warband housing system ware each player gets 1 house not 1 house per character and you will be able to have (top 4) warband characters wandering around the area!

[@Anlushac11]

When they said player housing was coming my first thought was "But...I have a whole fortress and Garrison on Draenor I can port to when I want". Why cant I upgrade the garrison to do crafting and have a living quarters there?

[@itswhzly]

The new symbol is a redesign for a Hearthstone for your Player Housing feature which will be part of the pre purchase bundle…you didn’t hear it from me. *the designers did a good job at making something that looks like a home with a door while also looking like a hearthstone

[@PapaProne]

Either a pre-purchase bundle, or pre-patch update. I wouldn't be surprised if the pre-patch questline and event revolved around getting our houses leading into Midnight's story.

[@itswhzly]

@ Oooo dude you are right on the money!

[@TenereAMir]

ESO also has housing and it's a pretty popular feature there. There are literal guilds based around housing competitions and hiring out to decorate other people's homes for a fee. It reminds me a bit of the early EQ2 days, housing was very popular and well-done there, too, but Daybreak just absolutely killed any potential with it after SOE was dissolved.

[@AleisterMorgane]

Servers like Epsilon can do player housing with incredible customization potential. If some private server guys can do it, Blizzard can.

[@countryc0unt]

I mean, they literally cited one of the reasons why this patch was so unstable at the start was because they were doing massive engine updates. I would assume that is something to prepare for exactly this.

[@Ziseth]

I expect the player housing system to be similar to the one in Swtor. Simple and easy to understand for everyone, but still quite good. You have various base locations to pick between, with prebuild empty houses. You can now decorate them as you like. This opens up so much in terms of ingame rewards aswell. Like imagine finally getting that Epic couch drop from a rare mob, or some huge disco-like goblin lamp which is a 1% drop from Gallywix. Endless possibilities, which will also include a guaranteed real money furniture shop sadly

[@MT-rh3bq]

It probably wont be up to competition,but mhw had ur room which was extremely customizable. There were like 20 different options for each slot(furniture, decorations etc) on top of multiple different rooms. It sounds like what you're describing garrisons being tbh.

[@BerntJenkins]

I am hoping for instanced neighborhoods - maybe based on guild membership or something. I'm hoping that they have spent all the years from WoD until now working out the technicalities of placing items in your plot/home.

[@Vaishino]

There's already a private WoW server that has incredibly customizable building options. The engine can handle it, but I'd be shocked if we got the level of control from blizzard that we have over there. I full on rebuilt Fenris Keep because I felt like it.

[@Wheeljack678]

The best iteration of player housing I've played is in the ancient Ultima Online. There you could place items wherever you wanted. You could (more or less) place houses/castles almost wherever you wanted in the open game world, but that also meant that since the lots weren't instanced, it was a first come, first serve basis. In addition, huge landmasses had to be made, just for the hundreds of thousands of players to have room to place their houses.

[@Luthies]

Couple things. First about the timeline, I doubt TWW is going to be a 2 year expansion, even Dragonflight was only 1 year and 10months, and they said in Blizzcon that the Saga will be delivered at a faster pace than usual, so expecting a 1 year 6/8 month expansion, putting Midnight release somewhere in Spring 2026. Secondly about the tech for housing. I'd like to point out that there are a lot of patches in the roadmap where "system updates" are marked as a patch feature, they are there probably for a reason, and I imagine that reason is housing. Feels like they are putting a lot of work into the foundations of the game, I expect this will cause some instability during TWW, but will probably pay off in the long term. I imagine this work is why a lot of things come out bugged as well. Not an excuse to release broken stuff, but if I had to guess that might be the reason. That said, I don't expect housing to be anywhere near FFXIV level simply due to the WoW teams determination for the game to be immersive, so being able to customize your house to be something out a scifi movie wouldn't fit the theme. Personally I'm setting my expectations somewhere betweeen SWTOR and Guild Wars housing systems.

[@liriellbaenre4971]

Absolutely, hyped about player housing. Im looking forward to the huge boost in social events / gatherings that this will bring about for players

[@necrobale]

It wasn't just the fact that customization was limited, they also tied player power/progression to the garrison by allowing you to herb/mine, locking certain craft recipes behind it, apexis dailies, follower missions/shipyard, etc. Lets hope they learned their lesson.

[@ASIRA89]

Imo the housing system could be THE system that WoW has needed for last 10'ish years. But to do that I think it NEEDS to provide 3 things: 1) It has to be made so you can invite other players into your house. If you can not show off your house, which will be the representation of your character, it loses a LOT of importance. 2) It should have functionality beyond just visuals. For instance it would be a perfect place to include profession rooms. A kitchen. Basicly it would need to be integrated into the professions. 3) It should serve as motivation for players to go out and revisit old places in WoW. Meaning, items or new recipies for house-items should drop from all kinds of content. If you want to get fancy you could even use this chance to introduce 2 new professions: architect & carpenter. These would be able to craft parts for the house, including furniture. In the grand picture , in the best case, WoW playerhousing should serve as a way to bring players together and enable them to create their own entertainment, or bring different types of players together. You could even make guild houses. Or even community or server-wide buildings that can be designed, used and enjoyed by everyone on the server. Like a.. sandbox Tavern?

[@PapaProne]

4) You cannot create a housing > player power loop. It must be a completely separate gameplay loop from gear and power. The only leniency I would give is a rested bonus for visiting your home before raid or something. Nothing so insane that it's necessary though.

[@candlestyx8517]

Too much functionality will just make them garrisons 2.0. I want it to be mostly aesthetic and a place to display trophies and goof around with friends.

[@mebrandonb]

@@candlestyx8517 Yeah I think some people forget how dead the game felt at that time. People literally just sat in their garrisons and everywhere else felt like a ghost town. If they are doing it correctly, I think it would best serve as just a cosmetic thing to show off your journey. It would be an added bonus if they added some Darkmoon Faire style multiple player games to encourage player interaction as well.

[@seekhearts]

i hope they give it no function at all, it should be something to build upon, show off, not to sit in endlessly outside of the cities. agree with the other two points though

[@KingMickeyMouseOoO]

I don't know.........too little too late I'm afraid. That ship has already sailed.

[@Lancun]

If they want any hope of WoD Classic being a success, the whole thing needs to be remixed to avoid it being a complete disaster. Make Frostfire and Shadowmoon into the home bases like originally intended and just put Ashran in as a secondary city. Maybe introduce something new after Blackrock Foundry, like the abandoned Farahlon, a raid in Shattrath City. Because just importing it as is means it'll last about four months before being utterly decimated. Waste of time for Classic if you ask me.

[@m.kalisz]

I want housing to be what it should be. Achievements giving you trophies and doodads, add on different rooms to design and RPG in, make your own throne room, etc.

[@Levelity]

We are getting closer to realizing that Wildstar truely was ahead of it's time. Like a decade ahead.

[@ShadowwingMD]

Interesting to see where WoW is going with player housing. I hope it will be rather free placements like TESO, but without the limitations like the furniture slots. I hope they will have houses for every longstanding WarCraft race & faction and a fitting furniture style for each. I hope they will have transparent windows and no fake ones. And I hope they will have some functionalety like storage, a herb garden, a fishing pool and so on. But we'll see.

[@Netsuko]

That yellow symbol on the roadmap is 100% the Player House Hearthstone. It even looks like a little house. So it seems they might introduce player housing as the new system before Midnight launches. So early winter next year.

[@thatunrecognizedguy2295]

Tbh I think the .5 patch was so broken because of the stuff they changed on the backend.. which was all instance related. I honestly think that was them implementing a fundamentally different way for instances to work, that will allow housing to work properly in the future. I think the timing makes sense

[@corsaircarl9582]

I assume it might be more like SWTOR, where you CAN plonk stuff down in specific spots, but different sized things can fit anywhere within the hooks.

[@Zaudejis]

Have not seen ya in ages. Looking good man!

[@Essemlol]

My take on this. This will be very similar to PoE Hideouts. You will get a number of "layouts" that you can choose from and you can build it however you want. They will put some adventuring into this where you have to go out in the world to find different "furnitures" and also put some stuff into the shop.

[@GorehowlBeardhead]

That's a lot of certainty you've got there buddy

[@Snagprophet]

I guess what is the difference between the placeable toys in the world and being able to place a stool or a banner? All they have to do is make it not despawn within the bounds of the plot. I expect that we have to select a fixed building, i.e. a dwarf bunker or a human Elwyn house etc.

[@aaronkettelhut]

I wouldn't be surprised if the housing system functions closer to SWTOR's Stronghold "hooks". They effectively have around 300-500 pre-determined spots that can accommodate different types of decorations that you place and manipulate within a soft boundary of the "hook". There's a degree of freedom and expression in the system, but it's far from what you can do in FFXIV or GW2

[@Sey318]

blizz is pathologically uncapable of adding something to the main retial game that isn't "an advantage" to performance or a part of the main treadmill

[@004947]

Tbh dont hold ya breath for housing.........

[@TeturactsWill]

I'm really hoping it's something they've had a group working on for the last 5-7 years. Ion has mentioned that if they do it, they want to do it right. But I guess we'll see.

[@Ghostalking]

just remember that Blizzard has been working on player housing for 3 years that we know of and have been updating and recoding their engines for a while now too. I wonder if they are looking to implement a client side editor that sorta mirrors what they use (with limitations of course). My guess is that houses would have to work like delves or their new no-screen loading. When you enter the house, you enter a new interface to allow for a different UI and tools It’s possible all these tools were built and gave blizzard the confidence that they now have what they need for housing. Blizzard KNOWS what players expect, I’m hoping they wouldn’t announce it if they don’t have a solid foundation and plans for updates in the future to implement more changes

[@ragganmore6113]

I would love if they could make Playerhousing similar to how ESO does it. But knowing it's WoW, it will probably be Garrison 2.0.

[@Paladinbaroque]

I'd love to see them tie extras into proffesions. Make that stuff evergreen with content and resources from each expansion. Let blacksmiths make unique armour stands, leather workers different heads for walls, tailors curtains - give proffesions more to do and specialise in outside of gear that's evergreen and more customisation for houses that can be pulled from older content.

[@icebox1954]

Mike, I've been checking out your MoP class guides that you made over a decade ago, are they still relevant considering every Classic version is the last patch? Basically, should I rely on them or look elsewhere?

[@IteratorPlus]

If they just add on to garrisons and call its housing I am fine with that. Allow us one place per expansion to move it to. That way every expansion has at least one place to put it. Add updated profession trainers, farms, maybe a barber. Flesh out the per race customization. Blood Elf should not just be a banner and guard change. The buildings should take on that theme. I still go to my garrison all the time. I get to watch my fav pets run about and mounts being taking care of. Also I get to turn on Halloween and Christmas early. Which add more holiday decor to unlock. They could have added this years ago and kept it going. I would love more but they also should not overthink it. Oh and make it easier to summon your friends to your garrison/house.

[@TheAintitjust]

Fully expecting it to: - crash servers for a while and cause random issues on patches years from now - have buyable housing pieces and variations as "packs" on the store and/or appear on the trading post... one variant at a time for a year - have some sort of resource cooldown that makes it feel like a mobile game - cause the world to feel even less populated as people sit in their homes on their $90 brutosaurs and never leave except to be tp'd to raid - have random vendors that have a chance to spawn, one of which gives something broken that everyone wants so you have to either go to a friends house or use the group finder to find someone who has that vendor up I'm hoping that it: - can be in different major cities so there are racial themes (Gilneas is reclaimed, Night Elves have a new city, Silvermoon being restored, Undercity reclaimed, etc) - has decoration options you can get similiar to transmog by doing old raids - has an armory where you can hang weapons and show armor sets

[@cyanidematt]

That icon looks like the front of a house with a door. Maybe that is when they are adding housing.

[@seekhearts]

i do hope its just a place to display our items and have people visit, it doesn't need everything there, just a lot of customisation. and i hope there's multiple plots (probably phased/instanced like a delve) like huts in grizzly hills, silvermoon apartments, ironforge and stormwind townhouses, gilneas??? there's so much they can do with this to make these pockets of the world lively, without stealing people from the cities to trade and craft.

[@shanklinkay]

Lotro is another with a great housing system. You rent a house and it could be either small or large, and you also have option of human, dwarven or elven. The houses are located in a "village" with other players and eveb guild houses. And once you rent it you can place trophies, furniture, paintings. You can change the style of the floor and walls, even add music. And it's not just a one payment and done. You have to pay rent every week on it otherwise if you go so long without paying the house is repossessed. You do get your items back. But it's a way to free up a house if that player quits and someone who still plays can get a house. But it wasn't essential gameplay. It was purely an optional thing. "I have all these trophies, I could rent a house and how them off"

[@Tyranno-Bore-Us]

Retail WoW is going to be about sitting in your player home and playing Warcraft Rumble while waiting for a Queue, and staying home being anti-social will become just as much apart of the game as it is reality.

[@MrWestbrook]

Art imitates life or something

[@arcanefire8056]

its funny how every other major mmo that has housing doesnt have that issue but you think wow will.

[@H41030v3rki110ny0u]

@@arcanefire8056 do you seriously think the average WoW player and the average FF14 player are the exact same demographic?? im not saying theyre leagues apart, but people in FF14 behave VERY differently... dungeons, leisure time in cities, raids... the cultures of the two games are quite different. perhaps it's not the demographic so much, but the implementation of game systems... which makes things sound even more dire for WoW, because they over-implement and over-design so many things

[@MrCarlWax]

​@@H41030v3rki110ny0uYeah I saw a video of how FF is filled with people modding orgies in the starter cities. I have 5k hours in that game. I have heard horror stories and experienced my fair share. That game needs a mod purge.

[@Mythaldin]

I think the symbol on the roadmap is like a hearthstone for your house. Looks like a roof and door. Idk

[@michaelschaaf1155]

a dev tweeted that when they started 3 years ago at WoW, they first heard about player housing being in development. this has been probably been in development for 6+ years, with another year and half left to go before it comes out. i feel like comparing this to a 2 year development of garrisons is very short sighted. the spellbreak team they bought too probably have been working on this as well since blizz bought them.

[@Nick-mu4dy]

Hey, we're not doing any research here! We're watching a video, ignoring all the info we could find, and being pessimistic. Always. Jokes aside, if he even bothered to look up some info on the topic, like on WoWHead, he'd be able to present a smarter viewpoint. Unfortunately, he's not one of those content creators who actually does their homework and provides useful info. Nowadays, it's just opinions, viewpoints, and guesses.

[@tarksurmani6335]

Being in development for 6+ years, can mean anything from "actively working with it" to "actually started 2 weeks ago, before that we were discussing and brainstorming".

[@nyoin2028]

Rts scene is fine. The stagnation of SC was the thing that made alot of casuals move onto other things outside of the genre. The rise of pc based TDs and rougelites has probably stole alot of the light as though.

[@kerilloyd4480]

Housing is one of the things that Everquest2 has mastered. I'm not surprised that it's coming to WoW finally. IIRC Holly was an advocate for housing.

[@Quickb3n]

If it’s fully instanced there’s no reason they can’t allow fully customisable placement of objects. The biggest hurdle would probably be persistent entity streaming I’d have thought, but if it’s in a small instanced play area separated from the game world then that shouldn’t be a tough ask from a server architecture standpoint. But who knows. This is blizzard.

[@5ohstang12]

I remember being up at midnight for wod release and to get to play 30 minutes or whatever it was to get to your Garrison and the quest was broke and going to bed. Then to wake up to 1500 person q. Good times

[@joey50]

I think the symbol is player housing/ prepatch. I expect Midnight to drop in Feb 2026.

[@minibleau]

A couple questions, in a gane where we know. Its i.podsible to have all houses in a single instance, so we KNOW itll be an instance just for you and who you invite. So my question is, what is the gain, from having playerhouses, is it just a nicelittle hole that YOU created? Or have there been other benefits weve seen in other games.

[@sephrinx4958]

I have absolute minimal expectations for this. (Housing) Can't wait to see how many store items are made for the housing system, I imagine we will see $19.99 carpets, a 35 dollar portrait, entire skins for 100 dollars, etc. They are going to turn it into a milk factory.

[@Kikkia2018]

The trailer made it seem like a small room to put collectibles in, a nice addition but nothing crazy. I hope they make at least a decent amount of players happy, they won’t be able to satisfy everyone, especially after playing FFXIV it probably won’t wow me

[@Dystinction1]

Not to shit on the devs, but we're still working with player models that don't have models for chest and leg armor. We're almost at 2025. I don't have a lot of faith in the ability to implement housing in a satisfactory matter.

[@utah123ify]

The giveaway isn't available for Norway eventhough we're in Europe and the EEA?

[@MattSinz]

After MoP classic I get the feeling those characters will be folded into modern, unless they actually want to finish the cut content in WoD and turn it into a full expansion. As for Player Housing, the level of customization needs to at least be on par with SWTOR.

[@sproosemoose285]

so now instead of afking in dornogal i can afk in my house... ok?

[@monsterdragondeluxe]

@@sproosemoose285 hahaha speak truth!

[@Nick-mu4dy]

If you're just standing around AFK, maybe you should quit and find another game. How about FFXIV? They've got a whole AFK community there.

[@sproosemoose285]

@@Nick-mu4dy "if you dont like it just quit huh!?!?" *Pathetic*

[@Broxxigas]

I miss WildStar so much if only for the player housing I don't know if another MMO will ever come close to it

[@pauldunecat]

STILL WAITING For the Guild Bank theft to be remediated. ITS CRAZY those people never got their stuff back.

[@CrypidLore]

They stopped caring what players wanted in 2008.

[@worfia-argentdawn5459]

The problem with garrisons was that Blizzard as usual took it way too far. They started out telling us garrisons would be completely voluntary, then said ok you have to do the quest line but then you don’t have to anything more with them, then finally said if you want to see the new content you have to have a level 3 garrison. And they tied EVERY ASPECT OF THE GAME into them. Let us have housing, DO NOT make it mandatory or in fact anything more than a fun minigame with zero effect on end game activities. Let us do some fun side quests to get perks for it, maybe allow crafters to make items for it. And a mailbox would be nice, but NOT a bank, AH, fishpond, etc.

[@bestjal654]

People underestimate how much money blizzard can make with housing in combination with the shop. Housing done right will be bigger than m+.

[@Grandy_UiD]

I never understood the obsession with housing, but it's nice that people who want it will get it. Maybe? I mean there's about a 90% chance most people will be disappointed by not having their expectations met.

[@Zieg_Games]

I have a sneaky suspicion that the reason TWW isn’t much different from Dragonflight is that they put a ton of effort into redeveloping WoW for Midnight.

[@frettystories]

I LOVED GARRISONS!!!! I made over 10 mil in WoD because of them and for me I actually enjoyed having something to do every single day rather than just log on and do raids and gear up blah blah blah. This was insanely fun for me, I don't care what anyone else thinks.

[@TFLuzcius]

i'm just happy that they announce player housing, expecting something simple at the start but with future development like warband.

[@TE-eq1dc]

That “weird” symbol is a house. The War within season 4 “lull” will implement player housing after midnight announcement. That way people can dive into player housing before midnight releases. They don’t want to release player housing at the exact same time as midnight so it doesn’t overshadow it no pun intended

[@raechu_01210]

I took that symbol to be a new thing all together like Plunderstorm and Remix. But I could absolutely see them releasing housing a little ahead of midnight if only to ensure whatever server issues launching housing causes don't compound with the expansion launch.

[@Demon_Tiem]

I can't wait for it to have the mission table again. It worked so well last time!

[@crayyonnyadrav4055]

They really looked at FFXIVs homework to implement housing. My only question is, will it be a house per character or an account based house? That makes a hell of a difference.

[@TheDragonhawkKnights]

The last game I played that had anything like proper player housing (aside from warlords of draenor) was White Knight Chronicles.... In that game you're introduced to the "georama" where you can place down anything you want wherever you want, craft items with materials and place them down and then items interact with other items to give you bonuses in the world like finding rarer materials when gathering, or getting +% to certain skills when fighting.... If wow did anything like that, it would be cool, but wow isn't made with features like that to work.

[@ThisisDD]

I just hope it's entirely optional and won't be tied to a limited area that ends up requiring real estate lotteries like ff14

[@rmonogue]

I’d like to see guild houses with apartments for individual players. The common areas would be fun for hanging around with friends, but you can each customize your own apartment. Garrisons sucked partly because you were all alone rather than seeing each other. Also they all looked the same, rather than having different styles for different races, so blood elves living in orc style garrisons was not everyone’s cup of tea.

[@Sas-ym4gg]

6:28 these are wow players we are talking about. They only play one game. “Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?”

[@Bathrezz1]

As a solo player who enjoys being independent with multiple alts for every profession, the garrison was just fine, i honestly didn't care for it until you could spam Missions and make big money

[@swehej2]

Swtors style of housing could be a possible middle ground if the engine is a limiting factor for WoW

[@thesoffen48]

They should have done what ESO did with housing, it's instanced and some of them are huge. You can craft all sorts of items for them, its amazing.

[@CBonWoW]

Player housing is more than possible. There are technical limitations such as providing enough 'phases' for each player's own plot in any specific area but private servers have been doing this for over a decade. Epsilon WoW, RPH (gone now), TurtleWoW and many more have made plenty of additions to the warcraft engine without any of the tools Blizzard has at their disposal with the exception of Noggit. In Epsilon, I'm able to completely strip a zone in any continent (Kalimdor, Desolace) of all of its objects and textures and start completely from scratch. You can completely rework several zones on a PRIVATE SERVER with .000001% of the budget that Blizzard has. This with dozens of other phases running at the same time on the same server hardware. I would be absolutely gobsmacked if Blizzard couldn't execute this properly or at least well enough that most players are ok with it. People with less resources and less time without getting paid have been able to do what Blizzard hasn't for years and years.

[@trollpaladin4773]

I know I’m not in the majority, but I personally didn’t mind garrisons in WoD. I think garrisons just became the focus of ire over other poor design decisions like making Ashran the capital cities instead of the announced one, and the big content gap between the selfie patch and hellfire citadel. So, I think I will be happy with player housing. But I think I am expecting a lot less than other people are expecting.

[@vjmtz]

Expect a lot of monetization. That's the key part in regards with player housing. I mean they do it already with a easy thing like mounts. Now imagine that with housing items.

[@Byron804]

I think it's more likely to be like Skyrim's housing in Hearthfire, you have pre-selected spots that you can choose items to put things into, tho I wouldn't put it past the WoW team to make something like FFXIV too, they've shown that they are willing to work and rebuild a lot of the game's old code.

[@scytale6267]

Honestly, as a XIV and (longtime) WoW player: If housing is ambitious but buggy as hell at launch, i personally can live with that. I rather see them try and dont do it like BBU3 and take 0 risks

[@mnn1265]

Some people still haven't played WoW classic. There are new players, both young and old, as well as all the people looking for a nostalgic experience. My bet is there will be a lot of people playing the refresh.

[@bolindow176]

The only real problem I had with Garrison in WOD was the mission table. I was supposed to hang around waiting for the missions to finish. Very un-fun. I suspect "player housing" will be a new garrison in a Midnight zone. I hope they leave out the mission table this time...

[@WarctaftWork]

When I first heard about WoD having customizable garrison, I thought it was something like ESO's housing system

[@leeallen5132]

i think it's pretty obvious it wont be like garrisons, they very obviously understand that isn't what players want. We don't know anything yet but they've said to do it right it'd have to be an expansion feature, which i assumes it means they can build the expansion for the functionality. I dont really agree that previous versions of WoW not being built for housing should be a cause for concern.

[@tronam]

It's kind of odd to position playing housing in other games like FFXIV as "competition" when we're mainly just talking about a value add for existing WoW players. Is anyone actually going to be quitting their preferred MMO over this feature if it isn't as good as in others?