The MYSTERY of Who REALLY Beat Lady Vashj - The Legacy of WoW

[@Preachgaming]

What do you all think? Deliberate exploit of a game mechanic, or accidental bug? Let us know. Once again huge thanks to all of the folks out there for helping us with the research on this. Big love to Sco from Method, Cloze and Starym from Nihilum and many others who chose not to be named. A shame we couldn't speak to Lewt himself about this so if anyone knows him or if you watch it. Please do get in touch.

[@sebastianbergstl4423]

now do muru kills, the second one somehow isnt registered as world second. by numen silvermoon eu, 15 mins after sk gaming. search the video, i think theres two

[@theossy]

I think… this is fucking solid content Preach

[@Murks33]

Using the modern post-squish tooltips of level 70 items being level 27 with minimal stats lacks that ooomph of a good item, would be cool to grab the more accurate ones off of the classic wowhead database instead.

[@rvrside10291]

Great video once again. But OMG, I can't believe you put in a Wirtual reference! xD

[@TheChunkeyNinja]

@@Murks33 Yep that was my bad. Was on a tight timeframe so was just missed during the edit.

[@john77941]

Dude, you found a great series to make. These are so interesting and I love the Unsolved Mysteries vibe!

[@TheMMObro]

Found? :p This is actually an old series be used to do!! They're awesome!!

[@avelinamizone6653]

Mate this aint new this one of the oldest series he has

[@bhaines2209]

When the lore and game has gotten so bad, you have to repost old content about 20 year old lore 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@mikeymikeshooms3581]

Best type of content

[@nfc14g]

Yes haha that vibe nails it

[@slo6990]

The opening "holla ballas" completely deadpan was perfect, you're on fire Preach

[@RunicSoulEater]

Preach is so GOOD at telling stories, he should think about doing it more often.

[@OldGorilla]

He is, but he sure isn't a model you want to use for selling T-shirts.

[@jaymzOG]

I mean he does it every friday for Drama Time lol.

[@Tekkommo]

Is this sarcasm? 🤣 It's literally what he does lol

[@MT-so2mk]

Sometimes I wonder if he'd make a good DM in DnD

[@Dudeidunno]

Imagine you're in that situation; a boss that nobody in the world has killed. It's on 1hp, you realize you have a soulstone and the ability to instantly do damage. How many of us wouldn't take that shot, either out of pure selfishness or solely because it'd be kinda funny if it worked It's so relatable, and that makes me think it's true.

[@andrewcrawford8306]

You have no idea how happy it makes me to see you doing Legacy content again. Still rewatch Legacy of Wrath and TBC to this day. With Cata coming maybe we finally get Legacy of Cataclysm?

[@seifyk]

The Wirtual tribute was wonderful.

[@ahm6990]

this!

[@tunnagan]

That got a laugh out of me as soon as I heard the music coming in lol

[@gasgano8255]

I did NOT see that coming! Greatly done

[@Direbeetus]

3:51 It hurts my soul to see what mallet of the tides has become

[@GSol17]

Really should've just used the wowhead TBC tooltip. Ah well.

[@Kemyo0]

Why does it hurt your soul 😮

[@tracidvoyager]

@@Kemyo0 1.9 dps, less than a level 2 gray weapon lol. wack ass modern itemization

[@wiselaex1234]

10:20 glad to see you like wirtual and trackmaina would love to see you play it some time

[@tomp1923]

thanks preachy! we love this content and hope you've been well

[@georgezachos7322]

I don't even play wow anymore, but i enjoy these immensely. You're a good storyteller Preach. 😊

[@TWW--AP]

I love the new direction of these vids. You’re a great storyteller for all these tales

[@shadowdragon8168]

God, these videos are so freaking good! Please keep it going Preach, I can't wait for the next one!

[@demiraichan]

Love this and the unsolved mysteries music intro. Can't wait for more

[@Pyrion93]

Really looking forward to the next part of this series. You and the team is doing an amazing job with this!

[@PoutineItalienne]

I was about to turn 17 when TBC came out. The memories... My god, I'm old...

[@GoddessPallasAthena]

Only the second of this (so far) short series and loving it. With MMOs, so much is about social structures and relationships, and when you have organizations full of egos, and pile stress and burnout on top of it, competitive "win at all costs" mentality, you're bound to get interesting stuff. I remember hearing about a lot of the guilds and various controversies, but I didn't know about THIS part of the history. I hope you continue to make more as it's really compelling stuff!!

[@ZapatosVibes]

As someone who was just in a more relaxed semi progression guild at the time, it was so fun to follow along the mystery and mystique of those high end boss you'd hear whispers about... and so cool to hear those in-depth stories from you today. Loving this series!

[@velocirapturedinosir8164]

I love these videos about the history of World firsts

[@andresfonseca3265]

Hello Preach, this series is genuinely amazing. I got into WoW in 2019 with Naxx during Classic and have always been so intrigued by the stories behind all the World Firsts. I was 6 years old when all of this happened so def missed out

[@Matwho]

As someone who took that time way too seriously it still scars me and I'm actually embarrassed lol.

[@kalibos]

A Twilight Zone intro with the Dark Portal as the door would be awesome

[@OldGorilla]

Just waiting for the Paragon episode, although there's no confusion whether they were the best at the taime. These have been awesome Preach, keep it up!

[@Spazxx]

Preach! This series is amazing. Please keep making them. I love reliving these events by watching these videos.

[@thetallgrass]

Preach is BiS. This man and his team deserve a whole major network television show

[@ericzman]

This content is awesome. Having posted on the EJ forums countless times in that era and being one of the guilds that killed KT shortly after it was "killable", this series hits all the feels. Keep it up, good sir!

[@Meffistoe]

A long time coming. thank you Mike, I think I heard you talk about this story (before the new info) at least 7 or 8 times before

[@chrisnutter]

That low key 'Holla bollas' right at the top had me 😂

[@Thromash]

Great series mate, hope you keep doing it & it's productive for your channel. Looking good mate.

[@psychoticpulse4831]

I LOVE these videos. Thanks so much for the time and effort in getting these done.

[@gstwo6571]

Love these vids. I remember these days but seeing your meticulous research and story telling makes it just so enjoyable. Keep at it brother!

[@williamgillespieiii2600]

I remember banging my head against a wall with Vashj for months back in the day. SSC was where our guild trimmed the fat, too, as it were. What a nightmare, and it was for like the 1200th kill in the world, too. It had been nerfed to oblivion, and it was still a headache. It was a really good litmus test for who was bad at the game and following directions though. That's the only real positive I remember other than the relief when we finally killed her, and I cursed her so bad my mom wanted to throw hands. Good times. Good video Preach

[@DrewPicklesTheDark]

Of course by the time I ran SSC and TK, BT was out already so the fights were nerfed to a working state, but I remember actually really liking the Kael fight, but hating the Vashj fight, which a lot of people said were similar (I can at least understand why, since both are a bit hectic, at least in those days). I can't imagine how miserable it must have been to be doing them bugged.

[@williamgillespieiii2600]

@DrewPicklesTheDark honestly I loved it. Especially the clockwork system we worked out for kiting the stupid tank and mage during phase 1 Kael. Shit was wild. Im pretty sure the tanks had to juggle the shield around. Those were the days. We managed to get Server Kael first and there was a huge celebration in Shattrath for us. I found that fight a lot more enjoyable than Vashj cause most of the kinks had been worked through while we were attempting it. Like it wasn't uncommon for the phase 1 tank to just one shot melee for seemingly no reason. Nostalgia is fun. Hyjal and BT felt like a breeze by comparison. But, like preach said, the guild fat had been trimmed by then.

[@Nightstalker314]

That was a weird competition indeed. Talked about this a long time ago with another veteran of WoW. Learned a lot back then.

[@Aureora]

Your "Legacy of the Burning Crusade" video is still one of my favourites! ❤

[@jiggitydazzle84]

Mike my dude, I love how your able to put together a new concept and freaking nail it.

[@KiwiDimi]

SSC was my first raid in WOW, I was all heroic-blue geared, wiped all night on Lurker Below, but it was great memories

[@jszfver]

I always find myself coming back to the legacy videos. Some of the best wow content available. Please... PLEASE update the older ones and continue making new videos.

[@Kiwicrack]

my dude, is this the new Legacy vids? I am loving this Mystery series.

[@Icewolf2oo3]

Unsolved Mysteries theme brings back so many memories, this is definitely a series that needs to continue.

[@ColinBarnfield]

Loving that you are getting back into Legacy videos, and an amazing set of topics with the history of World Firsts

[@nickv3085]

Before I had watched any YT content at all really, I found your legacy videos. I hadn’t played wow since I was a kid, and listening to your legacy videos was truly an amazing journey into my past. Thanks for doing more of them!

[@Rheinguard]

I miss the days of XFire, Skype, Teamspeak and Ventrillo. And then the Discord nation invaded, changing everything. I love Discord, but hate that they have essentially monopolized VoIP.

[@skeliskull]

So awesome to see high quality history vids like this coming back. Best wow content creator on the platform easily

[@jordansweet7738]

These are so awesome, thank you for sharing the stories before they were forgotten!

[@Kdrman345]

I do love this series. The history of the world first race has always been so interesting for me so getting the behind the scenes stuff is great

[@shirox11]

Even as someone who hasn’t really played WoW for years videos like this interest the hell out of me.

[@popojaga7312]

Love these! Thanks Preach and team!

[@ClawPhD]

LOVE this style, please keep them coming Preach!

[@brandonedwards-catt4488]

Being a long time player since TBC, even to this day I forget there is a divergent history of WoW between US and EU clients. For instance, early WoW players from Australia were forced to play on US servers before the split into the Oceanic realms that didn't have relative Oceanic latency until late Mists of Pandaria. 200-180ms was the considered average "good" ping for a very long time, some players even becoming used to 500ms and playing accordingly.

[@apolloeosphoros4345]

yep, that was me. 500ms was normal until like 2010 when for some reason i started getting 200

[@Koroar]

Excellent job again mate, really enjoy these :)

[@Wheeljack678]

Like the first one, I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed this. Very interesting and very well put together.

[@SubstantialSubstance]

Man. I miss WoW so gosh darn much. Particularly BC. But, im in my mid 30s now, children, demanding career. You cant really ever get that feeling back; better to let those memories stay memories, rather than chasing the impossible. Occasionally taking nostalgia trip with my boy Preach, cheers

[@Clownshock_]

This is Amazing! so hyped for this series!, Keep up the godlike work!

[@mattvitalis789]

Great video. These are very enjoyable to watch and you don't get much wow content like this anymore.

[@Alex-oc2vi]

These legacy videos are awesome. I got some catching up to do!

[@hasuwary]

Insane that you traveled all the way to outland to film this masterpiece!

[@matt_r.2510]

This was pretty interesting. I wouldn't mind more stories/content like this.

[@jjd-lx5vr]

Love the new series. Not sure if its on the schedule but would love a Legacy of the Druid

[@kaliek5281]

The double spawn Lady Vashj is something I had a similar experience with in tBC. My guild was doing Kara and mid-Opera boss (Wizard of Oz one) it bugged out and reset while the Witch was low hp...but she didn't...despawn. Then after a bit the entire thing reset with the original Witch *STILL ACTIVE*. We killed that one, and did the boss again as usual and a second witch spawned. So we indeed got...double loot. Difference for us was that it was 100% unintended and we have 0 clue how we did it or how to recreate it.

[@andresvaldevit3692]

Duuuude a Legacy video, been a long time! …and Mike you looking fit AF! Gratz!

[@Brackers1989]

These videos are great! Love the format and idea!

[@mittensfastpaw]

As a Horde guild that did Naxx and went into BC I remember the massive drama. Hell our guild used transfers to recruit and a big chunk left to form a guild called Plan B that failed. It was an extremely drama filled expansion and I don’t remotely miss it.

[@Furtivexx]

4:50 so nostalgic seeing some of the names here again. Death Wish guild. I love these, keep it up Preach!

[@EdisX]

This series getting better by each episode. Maybe do episode about first corrupted blood plegue , will be awesome a full cover of the most iconic wow bug ever

[@autisticrobotdragon17]

Idk if you will see this Preachbut I love this new series, it just fills me with nostalgia and the stories are really interesting. I also really appreciate the unsolved mysteries intro (chefs kiss) ☺️

[@drood7835]

These are so great, been a lonng time follower since before MOP and im so glad your doing these style of legacy videos again. Can;t wait to see more.

[@UninformedProduction]

Clearly Nihilum should've been open about what happened. Method's kill (while obviously ridiculous to have 25 soulstones) used all in game tactics that did not break the game so yeah...Method won this one. Loving this hope this series keeps going on and on!

[@treali]

It seems like Nihilium in the end got the world first, but Method put in a valiant effort. It reduced the incentive for Nihilum to try hard since they already got a kill which basically stopped the race. 25 soulstones is kind of breaking the game. So in the end blame blizzard and we shall go with the guild that actually got a registered kill first. When in doubt go for objective facts.

[@UninformedProduction]

@@treali objective facts: Nihilium got the world first unfinished encounter bugged kill on Vash, Method got the world first full unbugged encounter kill on Vash. Method did not "kind of break the game," world buffs were allowed in raids, external soulstones were allowed in raids, other guilds were stupid to not do this and I bet if you ask, there's probably other guilds that did do this throughout TBC. Method didn't use bugs, they used creative thinking. Nihilium's kill used a bugged out boss (not on purpose), but it's Nihilium's own fault for not going back and killing Vash in that month without bugging her. You can decide which is more impressive. I've been in the bug situation, hell the last raid before I quit wow was Aberrus in Dragonflight and my guild downed a bugged Mythic Zskarn on a patch day, the patch broke something making the fight a joke for about 3 hours in which we killed the boss, we did not know, but we found out that night and I wanted to reclear as it's a shitty feeling, we didn't deserve the kill, it was such a joke. Looking back, my memories of killing Mythic BFD Janna pre-nerf where we earned that....that's a memory I'll keep forever, bugged Mythic Zskarn, ugh. Nihilium's Vash kill is like finally beating your grandfather in table tennis because you beat him the week he had a broken arm and then for the next month when his arm was healed you couldn't beat him. Yeah objectively you beat your grandfather but did you? Having the feeling of truly earning something you've worked your ass off for is amazing, and what we should demand of the people who claim to be the best, be the best, not be the lucky.

[@dionysues7449]

"Exploit Early, Exploit Often" is a common phrase for a reason. While some can sum up the write up as a "disgruntled ex-member," it really puts into question how much exploiting was going on, and how that gave them a SIGNIFICANT advantage over the competition. Nihilum cheated and shouldn't have their name next to Lady Vash, plain and simple.

[@Davivd2]

I love this bit of gaming history. Great to hear this because I had no idea that this went on. Both of my times playing TBC were my favorite times playing WoW. Gone, never able to be experienced again.

[@SuperSumalu]

I'm very excited to see what else this series has to offer!

[@Jason-ji8ql]

Cant wait for the next episode of this series, its great!

[@voss3ygaming]

My only complaint is that I wish these were longer. Also, the unsolved mysteries theme unlocked some kinda memory for me, lol

[@davidl4312]

This video is so good...love the creativity behind it

[@MysticLlamaMan]

Man videos like this really make me want to get back into WoW.

[@atheld8124]

Oh my god this brings me back to the old days of your wow content videos! I miss those too 10s

[@scottballentine1846]

Love this idea. I love this format for you.

[@Papaneeks]

16:44 LOL! I love that Mike just had to take that moment to flip them off for that.

[@despahotaru]

These series are so amazing. Keep it up!

[@daveopsnl]

Love this, even though I am not playing WoW anymore, it brings back great memories reliving these moments!

[@Aurongodx]

Awesome doc, did you attempt to reach out to Kungen for his take? I know he is all over the place these days but is occasionally still active in WoW.

[@mahatmaandi2347]

Such a good format! Love it.

[@Babaganoosh69]

Another excellent video with great storytelling!

[@Spectre1Gaming]

Great video preach can't wait to see the rest of the TBC Raids. I think overall if it's a bug the fault lies with Blizzard they should have fixed it when it was first reported.

[@joelmartens8315]

Another great legacy video. Cheers, Preach gang!

[@micky_qt]

Did your editor really just put the retail 1dps version of mallet of the tides in the video...the mace is actually on wowhead!

[@whirl2418]

I've never even played WoW, but Preach is so good at storytelling that both videos like this and Drama time make me genuinely interested in this game, like, incredible job my good sir! 👏

[@stevewalker6340]

Amazing video Peach!

[@yuiokita2468]

@PreachGaming 3:51 if you wanted to use a screenshot of the item with the statlines of TBC, make sure to swap wowhead's version to tbc :)

[@thecaneater]

10:15 Holy Shit! A Wirtual Trackmania reference. That is Amazing!!

[@CorkScrewer]

Would be cool to see an interview with Awake and Kungen now 😂

[@StrobeFireStudios]

What a brilliant video. I'm not sure what to make of it. There was a massive exploit during a Dota 2 international with the Pudge Hook/Chen combo. Y'all know what I'm talking about. That was a game mechanic, probably shouldn't have been, but it was skillfully executed and allowed. Immediately patched out after the competition, but I would think it was allowed if I had to vote. I'd like to say this was allowed. Blizzard should probably test things more :P

[@heathcliff8940]

Preach is a genius content creator, ngl. The Legacy of The Burning Crusade is the best WoW video ever made.

[@JAlvarez1104]

I both love and hate being a WoW nerd. The first thing that stood out in my mind was that the “mallet of the tides” link was from the retail client, not classic heh. Obviously, this is an awesome series. I’m sure most of us can’t get enough of this.

[@Loke5936]

Greate video! Tho you should change the collor on the wall behind your couch :p

[@tunnagan]

Another legacy video so soon? Let's go!

[@paceraaaaa]

As a MOP baby these videos feel like your grandpa sitting you beside the fire and telling you about a tale from before your time. Keep it up!

[@taylurjack]

Please make a million more of these oh my gosh.

[@Iceburg2355]

The world is just a better place when preach makes wow legacy videos

[@scrummpybear]

As someone who has 1 wf boss under my belt i hope you cover my old guild, inner sanctum. It has some mad history.

[@TooMuchTuna7]

Love these videos man! Keep it up

[@Manzorian]

Really love the video series and definetly interesting to watch and listen to. But... Was that a Wirtual reference at 10:18 in regards to his essay like videos how he goes about TM history? x)

[@Fourside__]

Its a small thing, but why would you put up the 2024 mallet of the tides item description? 😂