PlayStation 6: What Have We Learned From The Mark Cerny Interview?

[@DrJones20]

0:20 That "y'all" did not come out naturally for Richard : P

[@juanjosealmanzar6330]

Because he is not American

[@rrnnbncykabazooka]

​@@juanjosealmanzar6330I can't take a person who says y'all seriously. I see them as semi-illiterate.

[@unamedjoe830]

Because he's actually intelligent.

[@lottji]

@@unamedjoe830 what a pathetic thing to say

[@BigSnipp]

@@juanjosealmanzar6330 No shit, Sherlock.

[@LeEnnyFace]

The PS6 will have "16k 240fps" stickers in its box.

[@juanblanco7898]

And will still struggle holding 1080p 60 FPS from the very beginning of it's life cycle.

[@garydiamondguitarist]

Genuinely cracked up reading this 😂 yep that seems like a classic Sony BS move. Then the PS6 Pro won't come with a disc drive, side plates or even a controller in the box, will cost £1,399 here in the UK and will rely entirely on re-released PS3 games only available digitally at £89.99, which upscale using PSSR2 with slightly less fizzing and ghosting.

[@RandomGamingMoments925]

​@@garydiamondguitarist You guys have zero clue about how hardware even works, or how much it costs. Why don't you go build a PC for that price that can match the Pro and put your money where your mouth is, before accusing Sony of false marketing? I bet you'd still happily eat up whatever Teraflops or AI marketing slop Nvidia and Xbox shell out.

[@prempink12311]

We are going to see more fake frames

[@prempink12311]

@@juanblanco7898 although your comment fits for console games pc game plays well at 1080p 60.0 fps

[@Youtube-Censorship-Police]

the thumbnail makes it sound like cerny just said his first word👶

[@electrikoptik]

He did

[@AthleticHobo-br4qh]

Your avatar pic looks like M Bison is telling everyone to be quiet because baby Cerny is sleeping.

[@steveafanador6441]

He's been in coma for years now he speaks 😂😂😂😂

[@ralphengland8559]

I wish my kids first word had been "teraflop"

[@johnclark926]

Up until this point the only thing Cerny could say was ○ X ▵ □

[@Drangles]

I still feel like we haven't had an Uncharted 4, The Last of Us (PS3), type technology breakthrough game on PS5. Demon Souls Remake maybe? But I mean come on

[@ekinteko]

Very good point. These are the best looking games developed by Sony Studios that I can think of, outside of Gran Turismo. And I excluded the third-party games. And excluded games that were remasters, or had concurrent release with the previous console. PS1: Crash Bandicoot 3 PSP: God of War (C of O) PS2: Ratchet and Clank 3 Vita: Tearaway PS3: The Last of Us PS4: Uncharted 4 PS5: Spider Man 2

[@kasjamm]

For me it was Rift Apart and Forbidden West

[@Nick-mq9vz]

We havnt. All the best looking games were launch titles. They are holding back and more and more I feel like ps5 is a scam.

[@Xemnas283]

Returnal for me is still the best game on PS5

[@matthewreeves6827]

Ive never been so dissapointed by a console. There has truly been no truly remarkable groundbreaking game showing off the tech. I think im done with consoles

[@iconofsin4578]

Concord 2 as launch game?

[@MichaelM28]

Trashbox has no games

[@mariotaz]

And The Last of Us part 3 remaster. They remastered the game BEFORE the original release. Great idea

[@dusermiginte4647]

​@@MichaelM28Xbox have and also releasing ALOT more games than pisstation.. No roadmap for games from pisstation, just tv-shows! 😂😂😂😂😂

[@RossMalagarie]

With Anthem 2 as a launch game too

[@zyborx93]

Naaah , the last of us 2 remake remaster and Horizon remake remaster

[@holitinne]

The PS6? There was barely any development made for PS5!

[@DrJones20]

@@holitinne Nonsense

[@garydiamondguitarist]

I know, right? They did well making up the software losses with hardware sales though - original/Slim consoles themselves which never permanently came down in price, massively marked up PS5 Pro, Portal, PSVR2 (orphaned early like the Vita), those Pulse earbuds with rectangles on them etc. That and re-releasing old games. I think if the PS5 wasn't fully backwards compatible with the PS4 in a way that actually improves some games and it runs more quietly than an unserviced PS4 Pro, it might be more obvious to everyone exactly what Sony are doing.

[@ekinteko]

I have to agree. While I like the PS5 hardware, the XSX hardware is much better except for the SSD Upgrade. In terms of peripherals, the PS5 is better with the DualSense 5 controller, and the Headset. The PS Portal is okay, but not a fan of the PS VR2 but it's there and it's decent. While we can't go back to the days of the PSOne and PS2 for software/titles, I was hoping the PS4 era was a hiccup, and we would actually get more titles and variety, at least like in the PS3 era. Unfortunately, so far the PS5 is the lowest in the history now. I am hoping for a couple things; - Sony doubles down on making games. Maybe instead of a couple huge games, more like dozens of big/medium sized games. Perhaps looks to make sequels to old franchises and not dwell on remastering newer titles. - The PS6 decides to be an over-powered console - The controller gets a huge upgrade

[@holitinne]

@@ekinteko what I’m saying is they need more time to experiment with the ingredients. The switch hardware is basically a portable PS3 yet games like Mario Odyssey and ToTK exist because they’ve been playing refining their custom tools. They should focus on optimizing the engine tools and the software to create games that can be played on a portable device.

[@ekinteko]

Following on from my previous comment. 1) New DS6 controller. It now has the thumbsticks at the top, with four rear finger buttons for a dynamic new gameplay. Great ergonomics for 3D environments. It has the D-Pad and Action Buttons on the bottom for legacy controls. In the middle the trackpad is gone and replaced with a small touchscreen that can be turned-off for battery life. 2) More Software focus. Motor Storm, Infamous, Soul Reaver, Wipeout, SSX, Spyro, Driver, Prototype, Sly Cooper, Days Gone, Silent Hill, and more. If they can fund and manage to have one of these games released every 6-9 months, then the system won't feel so stale. 3) Over-powered hardware. While the PS5 is pretty good, it did need 32GB of Shared-RAM, and maybe upgraded to Zen3 cores. These differences are showing some hurdles today for certain games, especially due to poor optimisation. I don't want that for the PS6. Hopefully we will see it released in Late-2027 with at least 64GB Shared-RAM, and 1TB nVme which can be User Upgraded. It'll still be 8-core processor but on the latest Zen6 architecture (instead of something old like Zen4+), and using a modern 2nm (+3nm) lithography instead of something "old" like 4nm (+5nm). And using that to stuff enough iGPU cores to match a mid-range dGPU on the latest Gaming Laptop or Windows PC. Also we would want a "Quality Seal of Approval" so that all games can be rendered in at least 1800p-native and 60fps-native, with High Quality Settings, they can only then be "upscaled" to 2160p, 120fps, RayTracing Settings, using the upscaling techniques... but it needs to start off a native rendering that is already pretty decent. Basically it would be a USD $1200 PC inside a USD $600 price tag. And Sony will eat up the costs due to the software/games sales. Just do it, Sony!

[@_Refurbished_]

With the PS6, you’ll get a highly detailed, 3D rendered avatar of Mark Cerny talking to you about the PS6. The games will be an afterthought.

[@purefoldnz3070]

only if he's in Wayne's basement.

[@GrooveSpaceArk]

The future is miniscule improvements in real power while a higher % of your frames are artificially created. All while you pay more for your console each generation and you own no games and there are no discs.

[@Ettdutubkonto]

Artificiall frames.. You want your frames locally sourced and hand crafted or something?

[@berealbud2963]

No discs? Welcome to the PC life then, been like that for decades and decades ... And guess what? We've all had a fun ass time regardless of that

[@TheGast4321]

@@berealbud2963 On consoles it means you are tied to a single, monopolistic store though, with no 2nd hand market. Not the same at all.

[@berealbud2963]

@TheGast4321 Where's the second hand market on all my steam games that I have. Your point is moot. Fact is both stores are digital fact is the practice has been in practice for decades. Get over it bud. Your point is moot

[@alpha007org]

@@Ettdutubkonto Yes. I want the gameplay to be the same as in the movies. The Director has a vision for the movie, and actors are paid to contribute. I want my games to be the experience the game director wanted, so if he wants every frame handcrafted and locally sourced, so be it. If he wants every 2 frames to be Dalle Hallucinations, and the game is good, so be it.

[@angrymikko]

At this rate it will have 3 exclusives 2 of which are naughty dog remakes.

[@REAL6]

I could careless about the PS6. Give us games!!!

[@BassThrashin]

Does John wear his glasses with the arms higher up at the ears for comfort? Ik it's an odd question but I struggle with glasses/headphone comfort and it looked kinda like he was doing that.

[@tonyejay385]

He just just said get ready to put 900 euros on our new hardware

[@AVerySillySausage]

As a PC gamer, the PS5 was my last non-nintendo console, never again will be tricked.

[@ReptilianRichardRamirez]

Congrats on the shoutout, that's honestly amazing and you guys 110 % deserve it. I've been watching you guys since I was literally a child and it's awsome to see you guys getting the notoriety you all deserve.

[@Brent_P]

3D V-cache on the PS6? Of course.

[@Mr.Dodo-]

4D V-cache? or even better 5... or 6D V-cache?

[@Brent_P]

@Mr.Dodo- One of these things are not like the others.

[@Mcnooblet]

3D V cache has a lot of hyperbole around it. When you consider it is somewhere between 96-128 MEGABYTES, and the public thinks you can just fit everything in it. Also when you look at where it benefits most, often times running 1080p with the most powerful GPU in existence to avoid GPU bottlenecks... I don't think 3D V is even necessary for many people, especially when they give up all their productivity performance for it like install speed, and shader comp. For consoles, they run into GPU bottlenecks pretty much always, as evident by the level of GPU downgrades between 60fps and 30fps modes. Like Cerny said, you can count on one hand the amount of games that can't hit 60fps due to the CPU. So most these 30fps modes are due to GPU limitation, not CPU. I don't see PS6 with a $500 CPU with 3D V to get to 120fps broadly, I see them targeting a GPU to get as close to 4k as possible before upscaling. With some of this new Nvidia tech like multi FG which bypasses CPU bottlenecks, it seems the CPU will be even less important in the future possibly as the GPU generates frames itself using AI. AMD usually follows Nvidias lead, but we will have to wait and see what they do with UDNA vs RDNA.

[@Krlos-n4k]

then prepare for the 800 USD price

[@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd]

​@@Krlos-n4kthat's not how it works.

[@EspenSGX]

What I want to hear from Cerny is if the PS6 will also have a tinnitus simulator fan in certain models made. Because the PS5 slim and NMB fan; good grief!

[@neonix01]

It doesn't matter if it is a NMB, Delta, Foxconn or other fan... They all have a pulsating whistling sound around 350hz... There are lottery consoles that don't, but that seems to be like 1/10 chance to get... I've given up! It's such crap!

[@ocosmosinfinito]

While these issues affect the industry, Sony is working on the development of the PS6. The inclusion of a special cache in the PS6 could hinder backward compatibility with previous consoles. Instead, what Sony can do is increase the levels of L0, L1, and L2 cache, focusing especially on the access speed of these caches. When combined with the adoption of GDDR7 memory, this can result in highly effective bandwidth, significantly improving overall system performance. The PS6 will likely use a Zen processor compatible with the same Zen 2 instructions but with throughput improvements, focusing on efficiency and low power consumption. It is believed that 8 CPU cores are sufficient, but these cores will need to be individually faster to improve overall performance. The GPU will be based on the RDNA 4 Custom architecture, with dedicated units for real-time ray tracing and AI operations.

[@sppspharmdude]

Yea... I don't think I'm jumping on board for awhile....

[@RonniSchmidt-mi7pd]

Good, stay with your 🗑️ pc and Xbox

[@aisback1990]

ASMR Cerny is all I need in life

[@gordoncampbell7858]

Creepy

[@aisback1990]

@ you mean heavenly

[@NevermindMe77]

all I need is for him to whisper "PSSR" to my ear🤣🤣🤣

[@puffyips]

It’s just that you made it creepy by saying it’s all you need in life 😂

[@aisback1990]

@@puffyips I’m a simple man with simple needs

[@archivalhorror]

Once the games went to Steam, that was it.

[@Drew1218s]

I would fully expect them to have some form of boosted cache on the ps6 chip if they are charging these high prices.

[@Albertmars32]

Anyone know where i can send questions like these to DF?

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

I think vcache would do more than 20 percent in a console, as consoles are already very bandwidth starved, i think adding the vcache could see huge potential gains.

[@balloonb0y677]

All these hardware improvements are useless if games don’t even properly utilize current hardware. The ps5 shouldn’t be struggling with games that visually hardly look any better than a ps4 game

[@Mcnooblet]

No it wouldn't, lol. You people got marketed hard.

[@Mcnooblet]

3D V cache has a lot of hyperbole around it. When you consider it is somewhere between 96-128 MEGABYTES, and the public thinks you can just fit everything in it. Also when you look at where it benefits most, often times running 1080p with the most powerful GPU in existence to avoid GPU bottlenecks... I don't think 3D V is even necessary for many people, especially when they give up all their productivity performance for it like install speed, and shader comp. For consoles, they run into GPU bottlenecks pretty much always, as evident by the level of GPU downgrades between 60fps and 30fps modes. Like Cerny said, you can count on one hand the amount of games that can't hit 60fps due to the CPU. So most these 30fps modes are due to GPU limitation, not CPU. I don't see PS6 with a $500 CPU with 3D V to get to 120fps broadly, I see them targeting a GPU to get as close to 4k as possible before upscaling. With some of this new Nvidia tech like multi FG which bypasses CPU bottlenecks, it seems the CPU will be even less important in the future possibly as the GPU generates frames itself using AI. AMD usually follows Nvidias lead, but we will have to wait and see what they do with UDNA vs RDNA.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

@Mcnooblet marketed? The vcache cpus are the best cpus for gaming and there is no debating it, you would only say that if you had no idea.

[@juanblanco7898]

​@@balloonb0y677 This is not a console exclusive issue and it won't be getting better any time soon. Visual quality is not a priority and neither is performance of the recent tech advancements in the gaming industry. It's streamlining the development process.

[@rogerramoPs]

Where do you buy XAI508P?

[@videogameobsession]

As much as I hate the idea of buying another PS console after how few first party AAA titles we've gotten in recent years, and especially with PSVR2 support, I'd rather buy a PS6 than a PS5 Pro. Mid gen console releases just don't excite me. I was onboard with the PS4 Pro, and by the time I actually connected it and transfered all of my PS4 games, the PS5 was up for pre-order. So I used it maybe a handful of times before getting a PS5 in November 2000. I think 2027 would be a good time for them to release it. With peorders in October 2026. $499/$599 for wither/without optical drive. Yes, they will lose money, but that's par for the course. Hopefully M.2 SSD prices will continue to drop and that'll be much cheaper by then. I also think A.I. and PSSR/DSR will be a big part of the upgrade here. Should be interesting either way. 😀

[@davidaitken8503]

Why would you even contemplate getting a PS6 when Sony has yet to deliver more than a single handful of worthwhile games on the PS5? Don't you ever learn?

[@videogameobsession]

@@davidaitken8503 I thought I made it clear above.

[@videogameobsession]

@@davidaitken8503 I also don't understand why suddenly people seem to think that a console can ONLY play first party exclusive titles. There were more great games released in the last two years than probably ever in the history of gaming. Counting first and third party games. Even with just indie titles alone there were some amazing games. Broaden your mind.

[@davidaitken8503]

@@videogameobsession "There were more great games released in the last two years than probably ever in the history of gaming" is the stupidest thing I've ever heard and is objectively false. Yes, there were some amazing indie and smaller budget games released over the last few years such as the Shadow of the Ninja remake, for example, but by and large, there are fewer worthwhile games being released today than what there were at nearly any other time. Games take longer to make and industry trends are pushing most of them into bad game design. Any time I look at the comment section there is at least one idiot equating game length with value. You kids are the ones that need to expand your horizons and broaden your minds. If it weren't for indies and Nintendo's amazing output I would have given up on this garbage dump of an industry for my entertainment a long time ago and just play all of my legacy systems and emulators exclusively.

[@videogameobsession]

@@davidaitken8503 "You kids are the ones that need to expand your horizons and broaden your minds." Thank you for this! I had a great laugh... I needed that. Gosh, that was fan-friggin-tastic! 😂🤣😂

[@e.l.4409]

Cache rules everything around me CREAM get the money Dolla dolla bill y'all

[@ericcarlton87]

I never knew that’s what The Rza, The Gza, ODB and the rest of Wu Tang Clan meant 😂 who’d of thunk?!?

[@LordBaph]

they could help in video encoding area maybe? for the gpu

[@FlipFrack]

3D -V Cache chips get so hot even when undervolted it would definitely be hard to implement in a console. My CPU cooler for my 5800x3d is the same size of my Series X.

[@evilkittyofdoom195]

3:39 have to admit he was funnier in Wayne's World...

[@ThePatriotDragon]

Wow Oliver lives in Vancouver!

[@Paelmoon]

I always wondered what happened to Garth from Wayne's World.

[@NGBRADLEY1991]

That hopefully it has games

[@blade5883]

It will have Concord hahahaha 😂

[@blaketindle4703]

Concord 2 😂

[@JasonEkwueme]

@@blaketindle4703concord remastered

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

Sony needs to lay off their strange obsession with AAA games while ignoring AA titles. Activision/EA/Ubisoft already makes enuff AAA games (AAAA for Ubi).

[@JasonEkwueme]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki AAA games make money, and sony has quite a number of those, Sony barely released anything in 2024 as they said they wont...but they cant really take their foot off that pedal. Plus lets not forget the fans demand this....look at the obsession with a bloddbourne remaster

[@jamesgravil9162]

All that cache is going to cost you a lot of cash.

[@travisc123]

PS5 pro was a testing ground for PSSR that might be implemented in PS6. So far, they've gotten like a C+. Right there in that George Costanza meaty part of the curve.

[@freshprinz9829]

Depends on the game dude some implementations are A+ and B+ the way yall critical of the pro expecting ps6 level of upgrade lol

[@Mr.Dodo-]

PS1 is a testing ground for PS2 PS2 is a testing ground for PS3 PS3 is a testing ground for PS4 PS4 is a testing ground for PS4 Pro PS4 Pro is a testing ground for PS5 PS5 is a testing ground for PS5 Pro PS5 Pro is a testing ground for PS6

[@adaml.5355]

We haven't even given PSSR a chance to see updates. DLSS has been around since 2019. Sony did pretty well with that in mind.

[@famnyblom6321]

I wonder what household device they will draw inspiration from this time for the design. A clothes iron? A handheld mixer?

[@Granulum]

We need 2 SKU for PS6 so that both the top end stuff can be offered as well as a more affordable entry into next gen

[@thebritishviking]

No... NO we do not. That exact thinking is why people hate the XBOX Series S.

[@Granulum]

@@thebritishviking how else would you satisfy both the casuals that want a cheap console and the hard-core crowd that wants a future-proof platform? Btw. XSS was not a bad concept per se, it's just that it wasn't executed properly.

[@Boss_Fight_Index_muki]

They'll prolly just have a Pro model 4 years down the road.

[@Granulum]

@@Boss_Fight_Index_muki maybe, maybe not. Just because they did that the last two times doesn't mean they will do it again. Besides, for people buying only 1 console per generation (which are most of us) it would be great to be able to have the "Pro" version on day 1 release.

[@stanislavkimov2779]

I'd take more optimised games with better art style instead of ultra-realism.

[@edwardperkins1225]

So is PS5 getting any exclusives before PS6 comes out?

[@MackDaddyVic]

Yeah for real. I just sold my PS5 and grabbed a PC. I got tired of waiting for video games to come out on the damn thing. 4 years in and we’ve had nothing to speak of. Ridiculous.

[@jgadiaz]

​@@MackDaddyVic agreed I sold my ps5 and got a legion go cause I wanted portability. Also, they're putting all their games on steam so there's no point on having it imo.

[@jakkudemoff3043]

Mark Cerny looks and sounds like a character Martin Short would have played

[@brettmyers3292]

I was thinking Dana Carvey.

[@jakkudemoff3043]

@@brettmyers3292 hell that is dana carvey lol

[@chirpywiggins5796]

Will be released just before Aces of Thunder on PSVR2 😂

[@scottbrowder8304]

guy on the bottom right isn't making sense to me. v-cache is stacked on top of the cpu, it doesn't take up extra die space. that's the whole point of the x3d's "vertically stacked" v-cache. AMD is already working on making X3D APU's for the next gen. as the ryzen 7000 and 9000 chips have proven, people just aren't buying chips without the v-cache becuase the performance gains are just that significant. if AMD is making APU's with v-cache then sony would be stupid not to use that for the PS6

[@Mr.Dodo-]

They would be stuipid except if sony has a better idea.

[@anthonyrizzo9043]

@scottbrowder8304 thats what i thought when i heard him say that, theres also a ton of commentors against the vcache because they have no idea what theyre talking about.

[@pedrofraga4366]

tbf they are journalists who are tech enthusiasts, they are not tech experts/from the tech area.

[@j2oss]

Cerny looks like he's aged 20 years in the last 6 months.

[@Kubush1]

He knows he is a scammer selling mid-range 2018 PC gaming performance at a terrible price

[@urazoktay7940]

Amazing video, thank you Digital Foundry.

[@TimothyBenjaminKim]

80% TURBO 14% XAI508P 2% FLOKI 2%BONK 2%PEPE 🎉

[@Michel-r6m]

An eventual PS6 is at least two years away. The concept might be done but the actual hardware isn't set in stone.

[@CeceliPS3]

Drinking game: drink every time that guy said the word cache.

[@EdoXTensei]

Or each time Mr. Jansen said “AI”

[@CeceliPS3]

@@EdoXTensei That's a good one too.

[@Nathan_Zachary_Kelly]

Is it too late to buy XAI508P at $0.90?

[@NathanSusanPhillips]

Nice video. Not a criticism, I enjoy your insights. I tend to think prices could go higher if XAI508P rockets. But understand the logic for sandbagging estimates. My opinion is XAI508P breaks 1, perhaps reaches 10 ATH, if conditions are right. But broader forces are at play now. We’re moving into really unknown territory. And these entities are shrewd. I think there’s massive manipulation ahead. If XAI508P survives that, well, we’re likely in for a good pump.

[@Emulator_Crossing]

releas in 2080 and It will have a 5070ti level gpu with more advance ai in it for 8k. should be a solid 4k 60fps system.

[@Joe.Gary.Johnson]

Depends on your finances . 1000$ in XAI508P is 4000 XAI508P if it goes to 50% of ath in 2024 thats a 600% gain. If it goes equal to ath . Its a 1200% gain.

[@humanbass]

I just hope the ps6 takes time, wait for 1nm and rdna5 for a somewhat big leap

[@LITTLEgiiant]

1nm is going to be wayyyy too expensive to be used in consoles and rdna5 isn't going to be a thing cuz it's being replaced with udna. The more realistic outcome is 3nm

[@Mr.Dodo-]

​@@LITTLEgiiant My guess is N2. But do you think that sony will use chiplets?

[@humanbass]

​@@LITTLEgiiantudna sounds fine. 3nm is available right now, there is plenty of time for at least 2nm

[@GeorgeLouisPeterson]

Good morning XAI508P Community!! Let’s get ready for a December to remember! AEOD all eyes on XAI508P

[@You-ud2fp]

Stupid ass bot lmao This is a gaming channel.

[@silentvoices8595]

Burger King in the UK charged me £10 for a double burger today ( I was more than shocked) yet the place was full. I don't actually think Sony would have any issues raising the price bracket for their "base" PS6 a fair whack. Just where we are at with most things in life now. If it meant the loss of many children gamers (who poor parents have to buy their toys) then we will just see an even greater increase in Nintendo products/gamers and sadly mobile gaming. Just imo.

[@hectorj.romanp.]

It's a matter of price. But surely there are many people here who know exactly how cheap it is to manufacture an SoC with a 3D cache and how console manufacturers will sell each device at more than double the cost of manufacturing.

[@AthleticHobo-br4qh]

At the start of each gen Sony and MS typically follow a loss leader approach and sell the hardware at a loss, and then historically cost reduce over the next several years by leveraging Moore's law to produce cheaper revisions that can lower the sticker price. That for example is how PS2 eventually reached $99. I can't make this comment longer and go into further details or the spam filter will shadowblock it.

[@hectorj.romanp.]

@@AthleticHobo-br4qh, so, are you saying that consoles are not overpriced? How do you dare to contradict the wise and knowledgeable people in the comments section?

[@Luke973T]

​@@hectorj.romanp. his arrogance is immeasurable.

[@AthleticHobo-br4qh]

@hectorj.romanp. sorry I didn't see your subtle sarcasm until rereading the comment a 2nd time. I'd say from a business and component cost perspective they are not, however with Moore's Law slowing down many aren't expecting 4 years progress and $200 higher pricetag to only offer as much performance uplift as it currently is. They blame Sony, when in reality it's just ASML and TSMC and other companies having to use ever more complex equipment and more man hours to produce smaller chips,ultimately this just gets passed down the supply chain to Sony and the end consumer.

[@hectorj.romanp.]

​@@AthleticHobo-br4qh, your insight is useful, respectful, and welcome, unlike common rants. Thanks.

[@EdwardEugeneGonzalez]

XAI508P is on steroids.. GREEN GREEN GEEEN

[@raynathanielcaparas8064]

If a 45% performance increase raised the ps5 pro to $700, what more will a ps6 with a 100% or whatever performance increase will do?

[@videogameobsession]

Here's a strange "PS4 on PS5" related question, which maybe someone knows the answer to... hopefully!😂. I've asked this many times and no one seems to know the answer. Why would a PS4 game (Pinball Arcade), run at 60fps/1080p on the PS5, but the internal video capture records it at only 30fps? I thought this was a PS4 back compat issue, but my other PS4 games, such as the Capcom Stadium collections. Anyway, if anyone knows, please let me know.

[@doh4828]

That it will cost €1000 and does not come with a stand

[@E.V.S413]

Ps6 is going to be a monster

[@zerosam5541]

By the time it release it would be left behind by PC again

[@jesseshaver2262]

Uhh probably more like a 4080ish with more vram

[@MichaelM28]

@@zerosam5541which PCs will it be left behind by? $500 PCs or $3000 PCs?

[@nc630]

​@MichaelM28 All of them. A ps5 is a low midrange PC now. Its weaker than a 6700xt

[@zerosam5541]

@@MichaelM28 500 pc the fact you put 3,000 means you know nohting about upgrading a pc

[@oppa1319]

In the dawn of all this unoptimization happening in the video game industry Developers will NEVER reach the full potential of PS6.

[@greg5143]

I just want to say that I am constantly in aww with all of your all's knowledge on all this stuff. Keep up the good work!

[@HRilho]

700 euros for fully backwards compatible sony console is a no brainer. I paid 500 euros for my XBox Series X that plays 360 and original xbox games... I'm guessing not even PS6 will be bc because Sony just doesn't care anymore...

[@MichaelM28]

Series X can only play roughly 500/2000 360 and 50/1000 original xbox games. PS5 has just as many playable PS2 games as the latter.

[@HRilho]

@MichaelM28 yes you are right. But what happens if you put your god of war 2 disk on your ps5? I recently bought enslaved odissey to the west for the 360 for 2 euros and guess what? I put the disk on my series x and the game plays wonderfully. I understand ps3 emulation is tricky but it's getting better and better. If the PS6 costs 700 euros and can play my ps3 disks it would be a day one no brainer. Until then Series X all the way!

[@stanislavkimov2779]

Better to just have a PC. To have full backward compatibility in max quality. On PS5 Pro Doom2016 runs in PS4 mode. Good that it runs at all, but on PC it would ran on max res/settings/fps, instead of being limited to very old HW mode.

[@kongyiu]

@@stanislavkimov2779Backward compatiblity on the PC is insane. You can even play DOS games on it.

[@mindrover777]

​@@stanislavkimov2779but u need very good pc as well

[@ToxMod]

Big W Oliver

[@wilsonzea5616]

The hell I just the ps5 pro

[@Kubush1]

What educated gamers learned is the PS5 Pro is on par with mid-range 2018 PC gaming. Entry level gaming for tech illiterate dads.

[@jackofsometradesmasterofnone]

Believe me, Sony is REALLY paying attention to how all this AI upscaling crap plays out in pc gaming. I have absolutely no doubt the ps6 will feature heavily AI upscalers to reach 4K60fps minimum on all games as standard, especially because most console gamers play far enough from the TV to notice any issues. If Nvidia/AMD manages to have a hold on the input lag, oh boy... It will be DLSS/FSR galore for everyone.

[@stanislavkimov2779]

Question is, will this 4K be blurry and full of artifacts. Even on PS5 Pro I don't get sharp 4K 60fps in new games.

[@sirrabhsurya5087]

@@stanislavkimov2779that’s a matter of optimization.

[@VampireNoblesse]

AI upscaler if you want 4k 60fps is fine.., but hope future games will still support the Xbox Series X & PS5, just lower resolution or lower RT.., just not abandon them completely (they are powerful machines, it would be a huge waste, if they get dropped off.., unlike the PS4, which was really out dated by the time PS5 came out...) .... that said, the 10GB Series S RAM will become an issue (?) likely forward, if they intend to keep supporting older consoles into the next-gen..

[@jameswatson5807]

@@stanislavkimov2779 PC is the only way to get real 4k 60fps.

[@billyreed3669]

I got some XAI508P right now… in ma skivvies bruh😂

[@WhatIsThis-ej2ot]

Cerny lied about the pro, now there are even more modes to choose from. Wouldn’t listen to a thing about PS6 until it’s out

[@bdgrey]

In what way did he lie? Furthermore, what is wrong with more options? Geez. "I only want whole milk! Why is there 2%, and chocolate, and strawberry, and coconut, and soy, and blah blah blah?" You're acting like you're incapable of making your decisions about what kind of gaming experience you want.

[@WhatIsThis-ej2ot]

@ said performance mode was basically the only one being chosen so the pro would just combine visuals and performance and eliminate that. Which it hasn’t, it’s just added even more obscure modes.

[@bdgrey]

@@WhatIsThis-ej2ot That's not what he said. Here is the direct quote: "When asked to decide on a mode, players are choosing Performance about three quarters of the time. Removing that decision, or at least narrowing that divide is one of the key targets for Playstation 5 Pro." I will repeat: ".....at least narrowing that divide." There aren't obscure modes. It's the same modes pc has when utilizing upscaling tech. Quality, Balanced, or Performance. Games like Stellar Blade, Remnant 2, Black Myth Wukong, and LOU 2 already have Balanced modes on the base PS5.

[@Mcnooblet]

@@bdgrey Even then, if developers want to do something else and add other modes, it would be silly for Cerny to dictate them. Let them do what they think is best with their games for the target hardware, don't tie them down to console hardware rules that may limit games. It's ultimately up to the developer, and whatever he says is a "key target" with the keyword "target" which in no way implies a future of one way to rule them all.

[@bdgrey]

@@Mcnooblet Honestly man, what I really want on console are 1440p options. I would much rather have better textures, lighting, ray tracing, etc., at 1440p over higher resolutions. It would also make it easier for developers to hit higher than 60fps frame rates and pretty much guarantee VRR on all games. If we are really being honest about this, the PS5 and Pro are both 1440p machines that can run games at 4k.

[@davidaitken8503]

Why on earth would ANYBODY be interested in a Playstation 6 right now? Sony can't even develop a steady stream of new games for their current hardware and you think moving to even more advanced hardware will alleviate the situation?

[@mclarenrob2]

we're only just getting a PS5 Naughty Dog game and that's not even coming soon, never mind all the other first party developers!

[@MackDaddyVic]

Yeah for real. I bought my PS5 when it first came out. I sat around patiently for the past 4 years waiting for some games to come out and nothing really happened. The damn thing collected dust. So I sold mine a few weeks back. Grabbed a PC. Ridiculous.

[@ScottHatfield-bc7jh]

There were rumors about the PS3 less than a year after the PS2 launched.

[@main_stream_media_is_a_joke]

16k/30 fps.........just wait.

[@liameverson3230]

Well I am, so speak for yourself.

[@rare6499]

3D cache on the next gen consoles would be a game changer, alongside something like FSR4 would make them extremly capable

[@Mcnooblet]

How? The consoles are always GPU bottlenecked. How would 96+ megabytes of cache on a CPU help with a GPU bottleneck? Look at the games that can hit 120 on consoles currently, so CPU is capable in some cases, most of them at 60fps, what changes between 60fps and 120fps? All GPU functions. 3D cache would do nothing on consoles, because every time you see 3D cache even tested is at low resolution 1080p with the greatest GPU in existence to avoid a GPU bottleneck. PS6 is not going to have 3D cache running low resolution 1080p with the greatest GPU in existence where 3D cache would show gains, they are going to try to match it to peoples 4k/8k televisions, not your 1080p high refresh monitor. Sony even said only 10% of their user base even has 120hz displays.

[@rare6499]

@ I would argue PS5 Pro is just as CPU bottlenecked at this point.

[@fdgdfgdfgdfg3811]

the 3d cache will increase cost alot ,so no maybe they will make more cache for the gpu but not 3d

[@davidaitken8503]

Remember all of the features on this gen that were supposed to be "game changers"? Meanwhile, Nintendo is doing more ambitious game design with what is essentially a portable X Box 360 with extra RAM.

[@cured_bacon647]

@@davidaitken8503LMFAO!

[@AndrewArthurJones_357]

Do it. XAI508P already in my bags. I had a XAI508P after ( your should I buy ) and I agreed and bought. I'm looking to stack more, too.

[@MylesDalí]

Tbh, idc about the PS6 new Xbox or anything going forward. All digital means we dont own our games. So im not buying lol It's been an incredible 30 years growing up with you PlayStation. Thanks for being cool at one point

[@MichaelM28]

There's no proof the PS6 won't have a disc drive

[@MylesDalí]

@@MichaelM28 Read the room. You REALLY think they're going to support physical games next generation when they're already phasing out physical games NOW while there's still a disc drive option? They're not. Xbox is going digital. PlayStation is going digital. Both have already started making the transition.

[@pse2020]

To be fair, other than ur cloths and food, u really dont own anything, not ur car, house... The problem is not owning, the problem is that wee need laws so that these companys can not remove stuff u payed for.

[@pse2020]

@@MichaelM28 pc went digital many years ago... but i think ps6 will probably have an optional discdrive.

[@nc630]

​@MichaelM28 You know it ain't gonna have one. Everyone but Nintendo is going digital and even Nintendo will get there eventually

[@kagemara277]

It is sad that the new consoles and their development is becoming more a business about selling older high tech components, than focusing about game AI, and game design innovations. Take as an example the difference between games from ps3 era all the way to ps5. This is like 18years in which the games play almost identically, only the frame rates are higher, level designs stray away from linearity to more open world design-which most studios only used to waste more of our time, and add meaningless fetch quests, and increasing resolutions! Luckily we still have many indie devs who make great games but it’s sad that Sony, which was incredible during ps2 era, started focusing more on movie like experiences but nothing more. Also the game development becomes so long, that studios can’t afford to take any risks-further leaning into stramlining and less experimentation in terms of gameplay. Back then a new game in a series could release in a year or two so even with a fail, they could recover fast and try something new. Now things get so expensive, that experimentation became almost nonexistent, that’s why more and more games just streamline gameplay into what most popular, reduce difficulty into what 75%+ people can finish, force online to acquire data models so their gameplay changes are pure data based, not skill based, and cut development cycles with almost completely minimising game testing, so that the players become free testers and their complaints are sometimes heard and then used in post launch updates. Releasing unfinished games is one of the worst practices ever these last two gens! Now we see, why the overall game quality will keep stagnant unless games become less a business about generating hardware and software sales but more about making fun and creative products! Not saying everything is bad, there are good games, but not necessarily better, more creative and original games than what we had a couple gens ago.

[@LoganKeithGutierrez]

You estimate is to low. XAI508P will hit $1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000.00

[@garydiamondguitarist]

We have learned that everyone gave up on the PS5 halfway through the generation, including the engineers who made it, but Sony still made out like bandits on all the hardware even when it was a bit disappointing and didn't have enough games. Basically Sony's contribution to the whole ninth gen, I'd say.

[@simonl2072]

I can't wait to play the new updated version of GTA5 on the playstation 6.

[@mark902]

playstation 6? i feel like i'm still waiting for a reason to buy playstation 5. it still feels like the first year of playstation 5.

[@GeorgeLouisPeterson]

XAI508P 200X IN 10 YEARS - so likely another 200x in 10 years=$20 MILLION/XAI508P!!! So getting 1/10 XAI508P $10k today might turn into $2M in 10 years - if one can hold through all the volatility.

[@cacadodo666]

Enjoying ps4 library the way it was meant to be played on ps5. Saving ps5 library to play the way it was meant to be played on ps6. That’s the pattern.

[@3wA_TroCon]

PS9 = Nanobot spores of Artificial Neural Network utilizing AGI & ASI linked from SONY HQ (circa 2058)😆

[@And-vx6ry]

What about ps4 compatibility ? Anybody ?

[@ArthurKnight1899]

the hell you mean PS6?? i just got PS5!

[@leftestali]

Do you think that ps6 will be able to play with more than 120fps?how about hdmi 2.2? ,will there be a need for ps6 to have hdmi 2.2?

[@mindrover777]

PS5 can do that so can series x. Depends on the game

[@leftestali]

@mindrover777 you must learn how to read right, I said more than 120...meaning 144 and more.

[@mindrover777]

@@leftestali It can be 121 fps as well which I am sure PS5 is capable of. And please, learn to be specific next time. Remember, be specific

[@XPuntar]

Show me a TV that supports more than 120Hz!

[@leftestali]

@XPuntar all new 2024 and 2025 good oled tvs are 144hz and this year they are some that are going to be 165hz..do some research, i think this year's 55 or 65 lg oled is going to be at 165 for example.

[@ignisGladius]

Attend Threat Interactive claims about optimization!

[@ronniecammarata2228]

I wish I could give a shit about video games anymore

[@Kingofconsoles54]

PLAYS BEST ON SUPERIOR PS5 PRO!!!! MEGA L FOR THE QUEERBOX SERIES X FANQUEERS!!

[@LarryBrandonPerez]

Im pretty sure I heard Trump said buy all the XAI508P you can possibly buy

[@BrianHaroldTurner_578]

XAI508P is going to be in the blue sky territory soon. Going to surpass Solana Market cap.

[@OnderHassan]

PS6 games will just be software that showcases ray-traced grass at 240hz 120fps.

[@AdamJohnPereAdamJohnPerez]

Sold all my xrp yesterday and bought XAI508P

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

*What we've learned* Is that the ps5 pro plays 99% of the game exactly the same as the ps5. And the "pro" games still drop to 40-50fps in the CPU intensive scenes due to it's archaic cpu. Man, the ps5 pro is an absolute piece of junk hahahaha.

[@MichaelM28]

@@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk Switch fails to run a 480p Pokemon game at a consistent 30fps hahahaha

[@DaveTheeMan-wj2nk]

@@MichaelM28 The switch doesn't promote its self as a 4k 120htz machine. Crazy thing is tho, you can play a bad game at native 4k, and it's just a bad game at native 4k :)

[@LucidStrike]

You're grossly overestimating Battlemage and thus discrete Intel. Also, it seems like you forgot about AMD's AFMF toward the end - considering you didn't even mention it - which has been enabling frame gen in pretty much all games for a long while already.

[@mojojojo6292]

Fluid motion frames is dogshiit. Full of artifacts and it automatically disables on fast motion making your games look stuttery

[@kevincarloipapolibunao1886]

We Want The Playstation 6 Disc Drive Backwards compatibility playing the old and new games playstation 1 to Xbox series x

[@JohnnySanders-o2JohnnySanders]

Granny is putting XAI508P in her portfolio.

[@ThomasMartin_159]

$ONDO and $XAI508P will reign supreme in this cycle $XAI508P will move much faster than Solana. Youre welcome.

[@GustavoCOD4]

PS5 is my last Playstation console...

[@pedrofraga4366]

What we learned is that Sony and other gaming companies will focus on developing/using AI-driven super sampling technologies on their hardware instead of optimizing the software (games) lol. Fuck these artificially created frames! Tbh I am afraid of where the gaming industry is heading - nobody knows how to optimize anymore; the excuse from the devs is always "buy the latest GPU" and even then the performance can be unstable. Plus it's disgusting how 90% of triple A games have very poor performance on launch, and how we mostly have to wait 6-8 months to play a stable/reliable version

[@bbcringegaming]

I bought all the ps consoles except the 5. If all the rumours are true i might jump back and buy the ps7

[@ThomasThomasLong_521]

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[@noahcarFlbrooks]

I think I need more XAI508P, before Blackrock buys them up. 😂

[@rogerdylanrichardson48]

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