Please LEAVE My Plastic Toy Soldiers Alone

[@Skelebob-sp7pn]

Play with what you want. If anyone gets pissy about something being 'legends', you probably don't want to play with that person anyway.

[@chueki5874]

I feel like you made the same comment about playing with a home brew chapter

[@Skelebob-sp7pn]

@@chueki5874 Very possible.

[@NikkiTheOtter]

@@chueki5874 Oh, I've had people say they didn't want to play against me because my Rat-Mech are too hard for them to ID which unit is what.

[@chueki5874]

@NikkiTheOtter hey man, at least you got people to play with haha. If I were to play in mi city, I wouldn't get the luxury to choose between just a handful of them

[@NikkiTheOtter]

@@chueki5874 My first ever game featured a Defiler kitbashed to proxy a Leman Russ Vanquisher

[@Al-Is-Gaming]

My iron warriors are 50 percent legends

[@Krasser_Crusader]

Same. But the Flavor is just chefs kiss

[@DeathInTheSnow]

Me too, dude. My converted CSM (now "legionaries") with now-illegal IW loadouts, far too many Obliterators because they used to be able to run in larger squads. My Hell Blades, Hell Talons, Decimators and Mutilators, all gone. I have a Basilisk with hazard stripes too. And it was all lead by a Warsmith. And to think I nearly bought Dreadclaws as well. At least I most of my models can be run as "counts as" something else, like my Aspiring Champions, Chaos Dreadnought, and old pattern Rhino and Predator. Dunno what I'm going to do with my Doom Rider, though...

[@Prophetofthe8thLegion]

My entire blood angels army is legends

[@killroy1117]

Almost 200 guardsmen I have painted up as Whiteshields don’t exist in 10th edition rules. That’s more money then your entire army in just infantry completely invalidated.

[@brettmanus7904]

I have around 8000 points of Dark Angels. I own zero - ZERO Primaris models...

[@notherapy4u]

you know, Genestealers only have 1 legends model, which sounds good, until you realize it was the Tectonic Fragdrill, which was made with the GSC codex in 8th, and getting excluded from the one in 9th. It legit lasted a single edition before GW gave it the axe.

[@reddragon4482]

They have no idea how to balance the game at all lol.

[@notherapy4u]

@@reddragon4482 That's why I like AoS more in terms of balancing. Instead of trying to nerf people all around, they just have the philosophy of "if everyone is broken, nobody is"

[@kamerionsmith4551]

@@notherapy4u the squatting is just as bad in AoS

[@JanitorScruffy]

@@kamerionsmith4551 They killed whole ass armies in AoS because they hated the idea of you playing two games with one army via Old World.

[@Nekros-t9e]

"Thanks for buying our model idiot" -Games Workshop

[@zobenik5]

Every wargame is model agnostic, as long as you dont play "official" tournaments

[@ClockworkAnomaly]

Credentialism is destroying society. Yes it was an answer to snake oil salesmen, which was a hack of anti-monarchic individualism. But it's doing it's own, new brand of damage.

[@TheDigitalThreat]

Too bad when they bait you into buying in by using the tournaments as a lot of fun!, they dont also point out "Hey, just FYI this 2 grand your dropping on all these kits that there is a high chance that some of these units will be phased out at some point within a year or two (or in 4 months before you even finish them all) for tournament play..."

[@zobenik5]

@TheDigitalThreat tbf, before you dropped 2k on the hobby, you probably have heard enough people complain about GW. This has been going on for many years. So unless you started and immediately dropped 2k, I do not believe you were not warned at least by someone else.

[@choppers9909]

​@@zobenik5 I'm just getting into it, haven't spent 2k and have now been warned... point proven

[@InterplanarerPennersoeldner65]

And official tournaments turn more and more into full-fledged sweatfests

[@raginasiangaming910]

The Legends thing is what made me decide to never return to competitive Warhammer. I'm not going to pay more to play just because GW wants to make a quick buck. I encourage everyone to simply allow Legends in all non-official games. Fuck GW and their cash grab antics.

[@reddragon4482]

Amen brother.

[@Haduuna_Wrur]

makes me glad I just get the minis for painting and display. Might try a narrative-focused game at some point but I have no intention of dealing with all the nonsense that goes into competitive play anymore.

[@kentocogburn4553]

We should make a fan ruleset for Warhammer(Call it Battlesword69k or something dumb) and tell the bastards in Nottingham to shove their "Legends" "Simple not simplified" and planned obsolesce nonsense where the light of the Astronomicon could never reach.

[@raginasiangaming910]

@@kentocogburn4553 I agree 100%. It'd be great to have players make their own rules framework that allows them to use everything they own. Personally, I love it when people bring old models to the table...there's just something about some of those simpler, old models that brings back good memories!

[@ShagrotsCave]

Grot tanks becoming legends is the worse thing to happen to warhammer since games workshop

[@OkthenBi]

You play Warhammer?

[@James80312]

GW phases out my models. I phase in older editions of 40k.

[@Shrouded_reaper]

Phase out GW plastic kits, phase in 3d printers. DO WHAT YOU WANT CAUSE A PIRATE IS FREE.

[@woundedzilla1517]

Playing chaos with half my damn army in ledgends:😭😭😭

[@klortikterra4423]

psst, hey, just play 9th and homebrew some shit

[@MrDUCKMAN5555]

deathwatch playing a whole army that's legends 🗿

[@slothycass5296]

@@klortikterra4423 yea let me just convince events to start playing homebrewed 9th that'll totally work

[@kamilpiekarczyk3566]

@@klortikterra4423 100% me and my buddys only play the older stuff because of that

[@klortikterra4423]

@@kamilpiekarczyk3566 Welcome to the GW hater club, we'll be glad to have you.

[@nakenmil]

GW habitually nuking its own models means that we are *morally obliged* to throw WYSIWYG down in a fucking bonfire. Like, why the fuck are we going along with this ludicrous pretense that shoving money into the mouth of GW is somehow a necessity for us to play our games of toy soldiers. Fuck that. Give me your 3rd edition weirdo models and run them as whatever stupid keyword nonsense GW has vomited into the most recent edition. As long as it's internally consistent, I am happy.

[@blw4089]

Yes, absolutely!!

[@joshjonson2368]

Until 3d printed resin can compete with gw plastic then the consoomer cows will keep on feeding them cash, actually even with advances made in 3d printing i somewhat doubt these morons will stop burning their wallet so gw can appease their shareholders lol

[@hutchy1k94]

"Too hard to balance!" Nah, geedubs... too LAZY to balance. What, a necron lord (a slightly weaker overlord) is too hard to balance? fack off.

[@makenshi6921]

wait! they removed the necron lord? is the overlord the only HQ/leader option now?

[@hutchy1k94]

@@makenshi6921 Overlord, overlord wItH tRaNsLoCaTiOn ShRoUd, crypteks and warden. yeah, you want to have SIX planetary rulers on the board, not counting special characters? Now you can! Rules reflecting the fluff, my ass. xD

[@killroy1117]

Most of my Guard army is now legends thanks to 10th edition. Rest in peace Conscript squads, Whiteshields, Special Weapon squads and my beautiful Macharius Omega. All of which are legends and have terrible legends rules.

[@SolVoltalix17]

Hey look buddy, I'm an warhammer player. That means I solve problems, not problems like "What is beauty?" Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy. I solve practical problems, for instance: how am I going to stop some mean mother Hubbard from tearing my warlord structurally superfluous be-hind? The answer, use a contempter, and if that don't work... proxy. Take for instance this heavy lascannon equipes contempter proxied as a regular dreadnought made by me, painted by me, and you best hope... Not pointed at you.

[@madflam3192]

*menacing guitar starts playing*

[@waynegoddard4065]

I just play using an older rulebook sometimes and pretend the Primaris never happened. Everything is metal and just feels better when you move them around. Plus the older rules are better anyway.

[@cpt.moloscorneroftheloststuff]

If your refering to 3rd edition, thfn Yes! But if you are implaing that 6th or (Empero forbid!) 7th was good...

[@waynegoddard4065]

@@cpt.moloscorneroftheloststuff whichever takes fancy. I love 3rd.

[@richtheunstable3359]

The first 4 editions work well.

[@LordVader1094]

​@@cpt.moloscorneroftheloststuff3rd-4th reigns supreme

[@carlossanblas5807]

I just want the toads man, RETURN US THE PLAGUE TOADS

[@Bladecharge]

they probably spin a wheel to see what goes into legends

[@Laivavihupaska]

My entire old Space Marine army is in legends, not a single model left. I will most likely just online-borrow the upcoming Space Marine 2 game, just out of spite.

[@Hiridion]

I actually collect Heresy models, and this "legending" of the Contemptors reminds me of my annoyance when the legion-specific resin Contemptors were discontinued around the same time. Now they do plastic/resin hybrids which, in my opinion, just don't look as good. Plus, since you have to buy a full plastic Contemptor to go with the resin torso, you’re not actually saving much money over the original all-resin version!

[@Yormolch]

@@Hiridion plus, you are missing the custom legs and shoulders, i.e. The parts of the Salamanders dread that have the drakeskin.

[@Hiridion]

@@Yormolchcompletely agree, the way they e done it means they’re now missing a lot of nice detail. Would have preferred it if they’d kept the bodies and instead just used the new plastic contemptor weapons as the plastic component

[@ishitrealbad3039]

just 3d print at this point

[@Spartan536]

I just got into Warhammer 40K, 1/2 of my army is "Legends" because my Successor Chapter is a Dark Angels successor chapter, we got lots of relics locked away. Anyone that says "I will not play using Legends is not someone I am interested in playing with anyway, they have no "cool factor". As for GW, its already criminal what they want you to pay for such a small piece of plastic that costs them about 50 pence to make (50 cents in the US, I used UK because that's where they are based out of).

[@will-oq7cx]

I think i was the only person at my local friendly game store to get a leviathan dreadnought off that shelf ever and the contemptor next to it has just been rotting on the same shelf

[@thegeneralscall]

GW doing things like legends is just dumb. They're creating an environment of fear. It just dis-encourages people from buying models because, who knows, that model you just bought for $60+ may or may not be viable to play with within the year. Do you want to risk it? And with everything getting more expensive, GW really needs to stop and think if people are going to put money down on food, videogames, or plastic you may or may not get to use.

[@HighMarshalHelbrecht0]

GW sold me 3 deathwing command squads,imma use 3 deathwing command squads

[@kikolokopo_toys]

the thing I like about new models is that I can buy the old models secon hand for cheap from people that got tired of them. I want a rhino but wont pay 30€ for one

[@ArcusArmis19]

The third kit I ever bought was an Ironclad Dreadnought, only to get home and find out that it's in Legends lol

[@tomtheconqerur]

Virtually all of the Forge World space marine units except the primarchs have been made into legends for no reason. They could have done unit consolidation instead.

[@Rottenflieger.]

A big issue for me is that every edition stuff vanishes from Legends, so even if your old model is playable now, there's no real guarantee that you'll be able to play the models in 1-2 editions' time. If moving to Legends came with a reassuring "don't worry, it'll be playable for the next 10 years" notice, then I think people would be a lot more comfortable with them, but that's clearly not a reasonable expectation. Without bodging the rules, I can't play a Leman Russ Annihilator or a Razorback with twin plasma gun and lascannon for instance, despite these being in legends last edition. Units like Krieg Engineers went from a FW compendium unit in 9th to completely vanished in 10th, requiring proxying as other datasheets such as arbites. When primaris units replace firstborn space marines, it's anyone's guess whether legends profiles will be written, or if the firstborn model will be ignored completely. If you wanted to play Sternguard with a grav gun or a multi melta in the squad, or a techmarine with their servo-harness weapons represented, there's no Legends profile for you. It's assumed that the Primaris datasheet covers it. On top of that, the Legends profiles themselves are full of errors and minor inconsistencies which we know will never get addressed. Why can't a relic contemptor have a meltagun? Why can't a proteus landraider have a twin lascannon instead of heavy bolters? Why do heresy space marine tanks have so few pintle weapon options? These are all issues that come from the legends profiles being a copy and paste job from 8th and 9th editions' inconsistent forge world datasheets. Nobody had the time to check if they were correct this edition, let alone to add the weapon options provided in the newer plastic versions of the kits. The only saving grace with this particular subset of issues is that with this edition's lack of points for wargear, you can argue that "my contemptor actually has a meltagun in his fist" because even if it was included on the datasheet, the points wouldn't have changed.

[@aedwynn6474]

As a Tyranid player, let's see... lost Malanthropes, Sky-slashers, Meiotic Spores, Dimachaeron and Shrikes... and yes, I had them all. At least the Dimachaeron works as a Norn Assimilator expy, and Meiotic Spores and Mucolid Spores are interchangeable. Hilariously, there is now a Winged Tyranid Prime (stop trying to make the Prime a thing, GW. The Prime will never be a thing)... but the regular Winged Tyranid Warrior is Legended.

[@red4foxela]

This policy drove me out of 40k. Still have like 3 Heresy armies, but 40k is dead to me. From 5th to 7th (or even to 9th edition?) GW very rarely stopped giving units no rules when moving forward. From 5th to 7th basic rules where kind of interchangeable, but the playerbase was weired about FW Units back then. Had quite e few refusing to play against anything from the IA books. I also have like a complete Tau Army that is completely unusable because they just stripped all XV9 from their line. Cerastus Knights will not be in the new Codes if Andy gets his way. He always was a big advocate to not have units within more than one game system, god knows why. He spoke about it on a FW open day or Heresy Weekender about if I am not mistaken. God how I miss weekenders.... Middle Earth funnily has the opposite problem. Every model ever produced has rules, but only like half are available from GW, making a few factions impossible to collect.

[@scumbaggaming9418]

Hey, bit of a tip on Tyberos You could run him as a Captain in Gravis Armor with a Power Fist and Relic Fist in Gladius, with The Honor Vehement, in Assault Doctrine. This gives him 10 attacks at Strength 10, AP -2, 2 damage. He'd be able to advance and charge, and with a strategem, get Lance. Yes he's not a Termie, but he'd be on the same base as a Termie, and even if you want the 2+ save, you can go with Artificer Armor instead. It does give him 8 attacks and S8 AP-2 D2 though, so slightly less powerful, but still wounding Space Marines on 2s. With this build, Tyberos has a dangerously high chance to one-shot *Abaddon.* EDIT: yeah never mind, you can't give more attacks to a weapon with the "Extra Weapons" keyword, this build don't work

[@sthelios3864]

I own about 16000 points of Horus Heresy, from multiple legions, both traitor and loyalist. All is painted and mostly kitbashed. I thought, since it was my entry in warhammer, "hey I might give a shot at 40k since it's still space marines right?" Suffice to say I am not fielding those 8 contemptors, 6 leviathans legion marked, 3 kratos and 4 spartan anytime soon. Oh well. I feel you buddy. Edit : oh yeah fuck my aquilon custodes as well.

[@WorshipperOfKhone]

6:05 I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad. I'm not mad. Just sad...

[@arkslippyjunior7773]

I don't mind them putting old as balls stuff in legends Like nobody is gonna miss imperial space marine, he can just be a lieutenant but like why something i bought literally the day it got legneded isn't playable is beyond me

[@sparrowsbewertungen6930]

Old Drednaught is just amazing, i wanna have that box back

[@jonyoung3547]

as an old school csm player i can testify chaos has been getting crappier and more mundane since 5th ed... and post primaris, chaos may have some new units but it lacks the flavour chaos used to have

[@Ickbard]

i still pour one out for my Mastodon

[@Nomen._]

Nah just CHONKY land raider model

[@HighMarshalHelbrecht0]

Don’t worry,it’ll come back as a grav tank for primaris for twice the cost

[@AJ-oj1xy]

Legends wouldn’t be so bad if they did a balance on any of them every once in a year or so. Half the marine stuff just has the same abilities as their primaris counterparts

[@dukedevlan5457]

World eaters have a (legends)model zhufor which cant be use in the World Eater even though it has the key word but its in the chaos space marine legends

[@jacksonwyatt4512]

“I know that Orks were taken out behind the shed recently” *me laughing as I try to not to cry as I gaze upon my shelf of looted wagons of all shapes and sizes, as well as my hand made proxies for FW models*

[@Handi_Crafts]

My condolences

[@BadmanOfBanterbury]

Worse than the legends treatment, is the not even legends treatment. I kitbashed some primaris breachers with storm shields and bolters. Used to be able to field them as company veterans because you could put basically everything on those guys. Not even legends anymore, so I just can't use the models at all now lol.

[@xxklesx1]

you can play them as interssecors or sternguard.

[@BadmanOfBanterbury]

@@xxklesx1 I put them on 40mm bases and use them as heavy intercessors nowadays.

[@WolfLordNeo]

Lol, My vampire raider, which is bigger than a Thunder Hawk, does not even have rules anymore.

[@lonecolamarine]

What gets me so much about the mass purge is… Look for a minute with me at the current CSM line. …oh yeah there basically ISNT ONE. Holy shit CSM are what Grimaldus called the Orks! “An army of beggars” There’s basically nothing. We have ***2*** transport options. Rhinos and Land raiders. Wargear choices are either nonexistent or very, VERY weirdly limited. And worse still… considering we’re the army comprised in a non-small way of dudes that were LITERALLY THERE for the Horus heresy… We don’t get shit from then! Loyalist SMs carry more Volkite weapons than us. We only have 1 “dreadnought” and he’s a jack of all trades mess. Vehicles are just… dang, again, next to nothing. And WHERE ARE MY DAEMON ENGINES??? We get The Defiler, Forge fiend and Mauler Fiend… And that’s basically it. Damn I was so excited for this codex drop and it’s… empty. 40k’s in a bad spot rn. I’m tempted to just give Wargaming the finger and spend my time and money more wisely.

[@lonecolamarine]

Ok but I am just realizing you can kinda fill that emptiness with Daemons and Chaos Knights, so it’s all good 👍 (Not really but the range feels bigger when you consider the whole Chaos line)

[@japhettheprophet4619]

In my opinion, the bloat for space marines especially came with primaris, most primaris units are intercessors copy pasted with different weapons so they aren’t the same squad as like a devestator squad which is the first born weapons teams. Before primaris there was a smaller amount of bloat cause it was mostly legion specific people or variants on rhinos. Now it’s bloated cause a kit that should’ve just been a weapons team is now 4 seperate weapons teams with the same pose.

[@TEMPcontrol9000]

Primaris lacks individuality, ornate details, and just is the poor man's space marines for double or triple the price. FIRSTBORN ARE JUST COOLER

[@buriedgarbage8933]

Something that just bugs me is that CHAOS cant take anything from the heresy? I understand sorta for loyalists, lore wise time has been a lot longer for them and i doubt anyone but the original legions have heresy shit left, but why the hell wouldnt they let chaos marines take a kratos or a leviathan dread? The range doesnt have a tank that was made this century outside of the plague burst crawler, why not let people play with all the shiny new models they just made?

[@dustrockblues7567]

Warhammer looks so cool... But I just can't justify getting into it. I mean, it takes years of spending and work to build up a full sized army, terrain, etc... It also takes just a few years for the stuff you were collecting to get removed from the game, become irrelevant, or change so much it isn't even the same thing you bought anymore. You're telling me that not only do I have to spend thousands of dollars now, but it also isn't even a permanent purchase? It's a SUBSCRIPTION?! It hurts to miss out on the fun, but how can I say anything other than Hard Pass?

[@Handi_Crafts]

Battletech is honestly better you can still use old pewter sculpts still as long as they are on a hex base. Along with it being a significantly cheaper barrier to entry.

[@dustrockblues7567]

@@Handi_Crafts well that's the problem with wargaming isn't it? Too niche... Tiny player bases... GW just dominates the ecosystem. Can't find opponents for anything else! Maybe it will change with time.

[@Shrouded_reaper]

Lots of people are reverting to older rules or using OPR. Just about everyone in my club is done keeping up with this crap and it's great. Resin printers and OPR are causing a revival, we have more players than we have had for years.

[@crakkbone]

@@dustrockblues7567 you’re very complain-y. I see what you’re saying but you’re just such a negative Nancy it’s hard to empathize.

[@istvanmitca5691]

I have a decimator, blood slaughterer, Kyatan Ravager and a greeter brass scorpion I feel your pain

[@acidnine3692]

As a mechanicus and mechanicum player; At least you guys had rules for your hours heresy units

[@Hallow_the_fur]

Yeeeeeaaaaaahhhhhh

[@The_Penguin_8964]

Well, we DO have Legend rules for Secutarii, so...yeah🤦🏻‍♂️ But I mean, why Secutarii🤦🏻‍♂️🙄

[@Rottenflieger.]

It's a massive shame that after Alan Bligh died it seems that there wasn't really anyone at GW to bear the torch for 30k models in 40k. The Imperial Armour: Fires of Cyraxus book was going to have 40k rules for mechanicum models but even though it got teased at an adepticon it's clearly never happening.

[@acidnine3692]

@@Rottenflieger. yup. it's a meme at this point. Alan Bligh seemed to be the only vestige left that could write good rules too. Omnissiah rest his soul

[@lebendigesgespenst7669]

Ah, just like Star Wars. A word to act as a rug to sweep all the beloved old things under in order to make way for new things

[@hideshisface1886]

Legends feels like the idea taken straight from Disney - when they murdered the Expanded Universe of Star Wars. That said... You think 40k has it bad? Remember Fantasy when Age of Skubmar came out... "You can use all your old armies", they said. Isn't that right, Bretonnia?

[@flameknightdragon]

i mean the Expanded Universe of Star Wars was getting retconned before Disney.

[@iholdtinytermanator5630]

RIP the entire chaos space marine forge world kits

[@thegentleman9650]

Me, with 6000 points of firstborn: "Oh good, I'm not alone" I eventually just decided that my chapter began to emulate Horus Heresy tactics, so I use Primaris tactics/data sheets for firstborn. Assault Intercessors to Assault Marines, Hellblasters to Devastators, etc. Gravis armor is funky, so they brought back the breaching shield, which I think honestly looks pretty dope My firstborn will not go quietly into the night!

[@SnekoftheOzarks]

Blew my mind moving from Warhammer to Battletech, that WYSIWYG isn't enforced or even encouraged that often. Got a Centurion model? Congrats, that will essentially cover every variant of Centurion that's in the game. Avoids this kind of crap completely.

[@LordCrate-du8zm]

The problem is that soon it gets complex if you play competitive. Also, Battletech is tedious as fuck. I play with the simplified rules and it takes so long just to play with 1 mech on each side.

[@zetta-slow-gobbo]

Ork Dread Mob literally having Grot Vehicles listed to get buffs and they just sweep all of the Grot Tanks and Megatank right into legends on Codex release.

[@Spinularity]

My poor poor deathwatch terminators aren’t going to exist in a couple weeks and probably more.

[@MatthewNope]

They will likely continue to exist. Keen to add some to my Krieg or Knights :D

[@MrChiefchili]

​@@MatthewNope From the WarCom article: "Those with full Deathwatch Space Marine armies needn’t worry - they can add the Deathwatch-specific units to a Space Marine army of black-clad units like Intercessors and Terminators..." That seems pretty clear to me that DW terminators are no longer a unique DW unit.

[@MatthewNope]

@@MrChiefchili Fair point! Bummer.

[@ThatTarkur]

I'm not sure why we can't treat legends as a seperate format like what magic does for their rotated sets

[@Handi_Crafts]

cuz gw

[@warhounds]

how to fix GW issues with "too many models" (they have waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too many pramirs and sigmarines where many units do same thing), STOP MAKING MONOPOSE MODELS WHERE YOU CAN ONLY CHANGE ARMS AND HEADS. MAKE ALL CHARCTERS, INFANTRY AND HEAVY INFANTRY MULTIPOSE WITH BASIC LOADOUTS AND DETAILS THEY LATER CAN BE REPLACED OR UPGRADED WITH ADDITIONAL LOADOUTS. for instance we get 10 man units for marines (very original) and if you want to have sternguard you buy an additional kit which is basically for stern guard where you get cooler helmets, details, weapons and heads. also of course its easier to make chapter/legion customazation. i dont understand why GW cant do it for ALL ranges. imagine having a separete kits for IG where you buy a basic kit for IG with coats and you buy an extra kit thats Steel legion specific or death korps with appropriate details, heads and weapons, or imagine having a kit but infantry with pants so you can do traitor guard, penal legion, cadians, tanith and many other regiment... same can be for eldar: 1 basic unit like guardians and then you have a loadout kit for aspect warriors, autark and craftworlds.

[@Handi_Crafts]

GW: Instructions unclear releasing 30th primaris lieutenant

[@SkarneZ]

My army went legends so i cant play in tournaments anymore. Unless i cough up $600-$700 for models.

[@Handi_Crafts]

my condolences

[@Yormolch]

I have never been happier to collect for display, than during 10th edition. I have no reason to be salty about legends and no reason to sell my minis, because the ones I bought, I bought because I like looking at them. I understand peoples frustration, but focusing on different parts of the hobby can maybe help alleviate some of it.

[@buttemountain]

One Page Rules: Where Legends go to be played

[@ttoo1830]

And will have fun again

[@gaufridusofthefire6555]

GW likes bad decisions this is known

[@cottermcg123]

Primaris were a mistake, old box nuaght was prime 40K the new dreads are so dumb

[@Toactwithoutthinking]

This is why Im playing historicals that last got a revision 12 years ago.

[@DeathTheDestroyer-vh4lu]

I literally just found this channel understand nothing of what's going on subscribed cause I just enjoy your rants of 40k lol

[@saucynaut]

I need a Great Knarloc replacement/comeback

[@Henners1991]

I'm sorry you don't have space for a 3D printer. As soon as I got mine, I sold off all my GW minis and now print whatever I want, in a matching 32mm scale and fully magnetised. It's honestly the best way to escape being trapped in their ecosystem, and you can always pick up OnePageRules or something if you finally fall behind on the GW rules. I was always a WHFB over 40k player so I suppose I was faster/more keen to say screw you and jump the boat than others.

[@TimeMaster0]

My poor world eaters Kharbdis assault claw isn’t even legends it’s only legends for chaos space marines. This is on top of 3 contemptors, a leviathan, a kratos, a storm eagle, a deredeo dread, my boxnaught and much much more.

[@ppppppppppppppppppppp600]

Dude at this point just play Horus Heresy

[@TimeMaster0]

@@ppppppppppppppppppppp600 I would if our Horus Heresy community wasn't pretty dead over here.

[@LiliaArmoury]

sad ministorum noises we don't even get legands rules for some of our discontinued units crusaders and death cult assassins are just gone from our armylist

[@Try_Again_Bragg]

Just found this and all i can say is "Oh dear some of your units were made legends. Looks at his Elysian army."

[@oniswdbs]

This is 100% why I switched to warsurge. I no longer have to worry about this. I can use my models and they play how i want them too

[@minxlove01]

I wish I could bought one of the classic dreadnought

[@Handi_Crafts]

same

[@Ruggedtoaster]

The biggest local store in my area has a lot of Warhammer stuff I’ve never seen move. They still have the black knight launch box and whatever the banana boys vs genestealers box was called. But people do buy some of the 40K stuff (I asked once and they said it was mostly the characters and combat patrols that sold) but they will only order new heresy models if you have a specific request because in my area none of it sells. It’s stinks but I get it the heresy models are cool but if I’m buying one of GWs more expensive units I would rather it be in a system I know I can find people to play it with. And he’ll we have weekly local 40 K and age of Sigmar nights. We’ve even got monthly blood bowl and necromunda games or second edition 40 K games.

[@kam833]

As much as this absolutely sucks for any competitive play, i dont play comp. I play whit friends, so if i had huge ammounts of leggends stuff i'd probably come up whit updated rules for them and use them anyway

[@timgillott9290]

I got fed up with GW getting rid of stuff I wanted a while ago. So I kicked GW into "Legends" and switched to Malifaux. Wyrd's models are so much cooler than GW's as well.

[@darkdave1998]

The Danmed Legionnaires being thrown into Legends peeved me because it was going to be my main minis when I got into the hobby. Then I got a punch in the gut because I had just assembled and primed a Deathwing Command Squad just as they axed it

[@luispereira3704]

One page rules grim dark future : You have nothing to fear little ones , take my hand, you are safe with me

[@honstalys]

You know... your Legends are still valid units for One Page Rules... join us!

[@wolfmanhcc]

My beasts of chaos got completely squated. It happens.

[@pedrosouza9508]

I began collecting Blood Angels just before 8th ed came out, I don't even know what isn't legends in my army anymore lol

[@NeumaghAnon]

I got legends’d so hard that I got pushed into Horus Heresy out of spite

[@POWERPRIME01]

GW doesn’t want you to create ur own units anymore. It’s why I got into the hobby kit bashing models to make new ones. I’ll still play with my models and if someone gets butt hurt over it I just start packing up my stuff.

[@luuuminocity]

I bought a Deimos Pattern Rhino for my Death Guard since it costs like 10+EUR less than a normal Space Marine one or the Chaos one... and I mean the people I play with just do not care if its a 30K Rhino or a 40K one since they're basically the same in size and all that...

[@stratigangames508]

They Legends'd the Venerable Dreadnought too... literally days after I bought mine.

[@aarondunn6759]

I have played Space Wolves pretty much exclusively since 2nd edition and played in every edition with the exception of 9th edition which I skipped. I've played in 10th edition and have found no units of my old boys are playable with the exception of maybe Logn Fangs and Wolf scouts both or which have better options if I play them under generic brand marines. I have come to the conclusion that I should only paint special characters and unique units, and keep my generic units unpainted. I can then paint Character and unique units of other chapters and run them as Space Wolves one week and Raven Guard the next because it feels like all of the troop options just feel like Ultramarines now.

[@yagsipcc287]

GW does this for a couple of reasons. 1 so you have to buy more new stuff as your old stuff will at some stage become "illegal" 2 because they are lazy and dont want to do more stats hell they bring out new edtions with nothing working correctly then want you to buy more books to fix the issues they made, yet small companies are able to pretty well balance their games and GW cant hhhmmm lazy.

[@Handi_Crafts]

its almost like standardizing all your weapons makes everything balanced cough battletech cough

[@MrGrummel]

I am literaly just got back into 40k. Finally painting my thousand sons leviathan dreadnought, which has been sitting on a shelve for ages, just to find out that gw has still not gave thousand sons Sorcerer-dreadnoughts, but instead removed all of them... So much to that sorcerer dreadnought army if been working on. I think it is time to write my own rules because otherwise thats a whole lot of wasted money and time...

[@RotomLandry]

Since I have no intention of playing competitive Warhammer either officially or unofficially, I don't mind there being what is essentially a "ban" list that non-tourney players can ignore. However, I don't like that things can disappear from Legends. Honestly, every single datasheet that's ever existed should be in Legends. Is there a reason why there cannot be a Hive Tyrant with twinlinked devourers in 10th edition Legends?

[@daywalker4650]

Me wanting to come back to the hobby after a good ten year break only to learn my 35K point army is now unusable is the most painful thing i've learned about this year

[@Handi_Crafts]

OOF

[@retlaw83]

The game store I play at is Legends friendly, even for tournaments. As a primarily Chaos player, the only "good" options in Legends are the Spartan and the drop pod; the rest of the units are things that make perfect sense, like Chaos Lord on bike, which doesn't need special balancing, or overcosted units that things in the codex fulfill a better role for.

[@sumdudefromthemoon2401]

can we put the legends rule into legends in 11th edition please?

[@AngryPomeranian]

My 3 dimacherons legends. And now Hierodul too…and my Malanthrope…why?

[@Alexander-yg4dr]

I started with 40k around 2003ish and have agiant army which grew over the years. Now once in a while I buy some miniatures for coloring but no interest in spending hundreds of euros on building a new army which won’t be able playing in a few years

[@AlterumVeniet]

My entite Elysian army is legends. Half my guard characters are legends. My crusaders are legends. So my Elysians are now scions. My crusaders are now primaris psykers. I aint givin' GW more money lol.

[@knightsolaire6342]

I personally found it really idiotic that they created a whole canoptek detachment for Necrons and then decided to delete three Canoptek units.... And I am totally not salty because I bought a Tomb Sentinel and a Tesserect Ark two weeks before they decided to yeet them into legends....

[@Handi_Crafts]

OOF

[@lunanyx8592]

Warhammer TTG is so wild to me, you spend tons of money and time on your armies only for them to possibly be buff'd, nerfed, or outright retired. If this stuff happened in a video game people would lose their shit.

[@gabeperras3711]

Anything short of thanking GW for giving you the opportunity to purchase more expensive models to replace all your old ones and the GW glaze fanatics start coming out of the woodwork

[@bentwineham1986]

0:37 Don’t worry, there will be. 😐

[@TheDeadPoolfan]

I literally just rage quit outta a ranked finals game due to my teammates trolling and leaving mid match, turned on yt and randomly had your video in my recommended and accidentally clicked it while trying to scroll. Quite the pleasant mistake. Made my mood better. Good vid

[@windsweptjoe442]

People complain, people still buy. The cycle continues.

[@LiliaArmoury]

if the unit has the horus heresy tag on it's name there is a good chance it won't stay in 40k because gw see cross system models as loss makers not as value for money for the player. this is the reason i currently only own one offical malcador and am very hesitant to buy more offical ones because I am not really willing to waste 150aud on kits that get taken out of my armylists because of some prick in nottingham

[@LiliaArmoury]

I also notice that both the malcador defender, malcador infernus and valdor are yet to get plastic kits and atleast two of those are marked on the webstore as "no longer avalible"

[@zombiemidgetable]

Never forget losing my Levi and contemptors for my World Eaters. Love having expensive models I can’t do anything with. Feels great!

[@carlstanford7607]

The box dreadnaught will never forgive GW for sending them to legends

[@TuorTheBlessedOfUlmo]

Lol for the MESBG (GW:middle earth strategy battle game) they released a supplement called "Rise of Angmar" and like a half dozen new models, in the same announcement they also said the book and the model profiles will all be outdated early next year when the new edition releases. basically the Rise of Angmar book was "legal" for half a year at best