"FGO Hot Takes" : Tiamat / Larva

[@PlushieMistress]

Made it before the stream lol, looking forward to draco and whoever else they release.

[@kun2588]

Interesting video. I feel like the biggest hurdle for Tiamat single core stuff at 90++ level is T1, since she's so ramp-oriented. A powerful addition to the game nonetheless.

[@PlushieMistress]

Yes, if they keep making nodes like the last white day she is kinda screwed as well. But that goes for most who rely on oberon

[@kun2588]

@@PlushieMistress Yeah also 2T stuff like the GudaGuda one and Valentine's would affect her too since her main steroid is on 6T CD and it's one less turn of ramp. Lack of niche is also very surprising considering how much they love throwing those around these days. But she's still a very potent option for 90++ when her cards allign, which is more than what half the SSRs in the game rn can say so she's very very good.

[@bennogb5069]

@@kun2588 shes the second best AoE Busted when youre Not fighting dmg mod enemies for other good Buster AoE. If not, I would say shes the best cuz she has the best oberon synergy

[@kun2588]

@@bennogb5069 Bruh she trash against Knights. She prolly the best against Cavalry barring AA and certain counterclassists tho. And, no the person with best Oberon synergy is the man himself lmao.

[@bazah23]

@@kun2588 an alter ego being bad against knight classes 🤯

[@the_wake_]

Rewatching this 8 months later, I feel like the part about Alter Egos really holds up. While priority #1 is still 1 invested universal looper (preferable 1 Arts and 1 Buster), after you have that and your supports, you get the best returns from new loopers that outperform the universal loopers in specific niches. Sure you can drop thousands of SQ to hyper the *next* omni-farmer to push that ceiling a little bit higher, but with how the 90++ game has been shaping up, IMO you're much better served by covering specific niches that let you break open otherwise-inaccessible nodes. And with how wide their coverage is, a superpowered Alter Ego is perfect for that. Back when we were all chasing that one universal looper (in the days of Summer Musashi vs. Spishtar), something with weakness vs. all 3 Knight classes was a huge liability. But these days, with universal farmers up the wazoo, things are different.

[@rejoicingfakepriest201]

Thank you for the Tiamat hot take. I will make an account specifically just for saving for Tiamat 😂

[@ousamadearudesuwa]

So, you didn't get Mom?

[@christianvannucci6455]

As CEs go, I'd suggest poster girl, even if they're usually kept lv1 to have multiple copies. Postergirl, besides taunting, also gives a 60%-ish attack buff for three turns, effectively acting like an attack version of black grail. You do miss on the synergy with Oberon, but I believe it'd be a very effective alternative that not everyone may have, but it's there

[@Noisemaze1]

The highest damage I was able to get out of her was 6,900,000. Only LVL-90.

[@bazah23]

Wow

[@CanhNguyenSuy]

Damn dude I really like ur hot take. It's very objective and makes me (as an NA player) consider to roll for her in the future

[@bigboi_tony]

After experimenting with both, Tiamat seems like more of a damage dealer, while on the other hand you take Kukulkan to some boss fights. Not to say that Tiamat didn’t do well in boss fights, she actually carried me through the Tamamo beast boss fight, she just doesn’t have any hard survivability.

[@bleach4k239]

Great video. I tried using her to farm knight classes. It worked just fine.

[@PlushieMistress]

Yeah fpr lower hp knights she can brute force, but stuff like 90++ will stop her

[@bleach4k239]

​@@PlushieMistress you still going to drop hot take on Kuku by any chance?

[@Hisyamafi]

@@PlushieMistress lucky we got draco for knight class now

[@kun2588]

@@Hisyamafi Draco is ST, bruh.

[@Hisyamafi]

@@kun2588 yep, she need draco to cover definciees on high level/boss knight class. Tiamat can brute force the mid-low knight class

[@otakuelric7782]

Imagine that except for the batteries, the other effects of Skill 1 and 3 were inverted while keeping their cooldown, now that 100 Crit chance down would be very relevant, right?

[@PlushieMistress]

Id imagine so, but the short cd heal and charge is better imo

[@otakuelric7782]

​@@PlushieMistress Yes, I just remembered the solos you did recently and it's true the healing is better, a small adjustment that would have been nice if they gave us was that the 20% NP strength of his third skill was 1 time, 3 turns as it happens in space ishtar's second skill to make sure it doesn't go to waste

[@kun2588]

20% Np damage up for 1T on a 6T CD 🥴

[@brennennestvogel3983]

Isn't Melusine countered by two classes, rulers and lancers? Not that they're common, but they show up more than pretenders for alter egos.

[@Unlimited-D-Works]

Sabers*

[@mrsheldon9134]

Alter Egos deal half damage to Sabers, Lancers, Archers, and Pretenders. Melusine only deals half damage to 2 classes.

[@arlangunadi8674]

Glad I choose to roll for Tiamat Larva over Draco. Gameplaywise, Tiamat has better gameplay value than Draco overall, but not gonna lie, Draco is very awesome looking, and that 'special summoning animation' itself already a big temptation to roll for her.

[@adz4528]

Still to this day, after years I need a one more copy of BG to mlb it on both Jp and NA. That's also after picking it with the 5* CE ticket we got on jp as well.

[@bennogb5069]

I still need 1 more copy even after 5-6 years of FGO NA. I guess Ill get it with the guaranteed ticket

[@davidsamudio3899]

I mean, if you have All the pieces for tiamat, you also have all the pieces for farming knights since Oberon is a pretender and he can also use black grail, now he doesn't ramp up nearly as hard as tiamat but he is an anty knights servant

[@kun2588]

Np1 Oberon is 🚮

[@ArceusShaymin]

Funnily enough, while obv her damage ramp-up potential is insane, I actually think her third skill and ramp-up damage on her NP makes her a good hybrid damage pick for stall comps. The heal is light, but comes out often, the small AoE battery matters over long periods of time, and the NP damage only being for 1 turn matters less when you can usually wait a turn to pop off an NP. That, and it makes the crit damage down on her 1st skill a little more relevant, since wasting uptime for a 50% battery matters less when you're getting more turns to pop off your 10% AoE charge. Edit: oh yeah, I nearly forgor about the passive damage cut and NP gain too! She definitely seems like she'll excel both at farming AND in defensive comps. I couldn't be happier, I think, with what we've got.

[@lhv2k]

16:12 Technically Melu got countered by 2 classes, Ruler. 16:37 5 classes, she counters Foreigner

[@kun2588]

Ruler 90+ don't exist...

[@Matowaar]

@@kun2588 Y e t

[@namit5068]

@@kun2588 Oh we will defo get Rulers in 90++ nodes if we havent already.

[@kun2588]

@@namit5068 I said 90+. Besides, I doubt it'll be all too common at the 90++ level; the strongest old gen servants are all Avengers after all.

[@FateTrap-ec9cz]

I wish her second ascension was her adult form without those ridiculous huge horns in the back.

[@namit5068]

One thing I just saw is that her Bond CE also charges the backline. That's full gauge for the whole backline in 20 turns.

[@kun2588]

20 turns 🥴

[@namit5068]

do you not know the concept of dpsing? with merlin and stuff? stall teams?

[@kun2588]

@@namit5068 Stall 🥴. Why use Bond CEs? Stats on those are dogshit. Use something else on Tiamat and you'd clear much faster smh.

[@namit5068]

@@kun2588 Bruh I was just stating a fun little fact. You could do a less effective immortal comp replacing merlin if you have her bond ce. And most people who checked her fandom page early probably don't know that her bond ce can charge the backline.

[@kun2588]

@@namit5068 Most ppl don't know that because it isn't important information, lmao. Appreciate the thought, tho.

[@nightshrine4257]

I didn't even pull for her but I wanted to watch this educational video to boost my intellect

[@rohilsatam5452]

Plushie make a playlist for all these hot takes videos

[@bazah23]

Yeah that would be great and one for the kiara fights and one for the solos

[@omega197]

Friendship with np 1 110 s.Kama might or might not ended. My tiamat is np2, so She can go for lv 120 in long term rite.

[@jesterlefae3940]

Sick Tiamama on all your enemies.

[@inferniarosa]

About her performance in high difficulty... She's high tier pick for many reasons, from damage to her soft survival and party utility. Damage us self explanatory, Soft survival Tiamama has is low key insane. Constant healing, stun, Crit down and passive dmg cut are all great considering she does so much damage you won't have to survive more than NP and mystic code usually is enough for that, in that specific regard she's rather similar to Nero Bride as she too does amazing damage in a short time while having just enough soft survival to not care about normal attacks. Tho what makes her so good in challenging content is her absolutely broken s3 that puts her essentially on support level, her constantly healing your entire team, and charging them allows for much easier clears, especially if you use high rarity supports like Merlin, she also covers for Koyan's issues allowing her to get her NP much easier and canceling her s1 demerit. Breaking it down Tiamom's s3 is essentially permanent garden of Avalon without star regen lol

[@inferniarosa]

S3 heal isn't much in one cast but since low CD she uses it so much that practically its a LOT

[@Dratzio]

Thanks for the video Plushie!!

[@marselprakoso8832]

That makes sense melusine buster only 20% from her np while tiamama buster up is from skill and np , and her buster is 30% at base. If tiamat doesn't have that melusine probably win cause melusine attack up and np damage is higher (40% and 30%).

[@PlushieMistress]

Tiamat gets 40 np dmg up on w3 bc you use her s3 twice but yeah melusine has better sustained damage

[@marselprakoso8832]

@@PlushieMistress yeah and not to mention melusine can also ignore invul

[@lhv2k]

Bruh, the notion that "if X servant doesn't have x buff in their kit, then they'd be worse than Y servant" sounds dumb as hell.

[@kun2588]

@@lhv2k It's what people who can't cope with the fact that their waifu got powercrept use as an excuse, lmao. I gotta say I'm loving the meltdown that these Melu simps are going through rn.

[@lhv2k]

@@PlushieMistress That's not true. How does Melusine have better sustained damage when she does less damage than Tiamat in both W1 and 2, and that's when holding to use Tiamat S3 twice in 3rd wave. In fact, even if Tiamat chose not to save S3 and only use it once in 3rd wave she'd still outdamage Melusine there, and her 1st and 2nd waves damage would be even more higher, which she has the flexibility to do, not restricted to the same skill sequence everytime like Melusine, and better damage across the board no matter what order you choose.

[@treebush]

Ill save for Nero beast and tsundere Senpai

[@uselesshero.official]

Who's the tsundere senpai?

[@Jasons_Argo]

7:29 *CoUgH**CoUgH* MYST *CoUgH**CoUgH*

[@anonjohn9760]

Tiamat didn't need to be this ridiculously good to be a guaranteed seller, 'cause we all love one of the best mothers around.

[@phuongngo7385]

flash new Nero-chan up coming

[@ShiraFuyu2022]

Imagine the S3 keeping the Skill Cooldown while increasing the NP Damage duration for 3 Turns, that'd be a frickin Goddamn AoE Black Grail when done right

[@kun2588]

Stop dreaming, lmao.

[@Rosemaryalter2711]

Oops,that dream will be coming true on 2028

[@rdwn1999]

That's stupid

[@Karvantes]

That's a high copium right there

[@ShiraFuyu2022]

@@Karvantes I mean they Buff Gramps just recently, even if he's doing fine as a Soloer with only Kama being the one that's actually better than him

[@ForsakenSandpaper]

Where do you see monster? All i see if soft caretaker.

[@fatman248]

Good video

[@fatman248]

HAVEN'T FINISHED IT YET

[@inferniarosa]

I respectfully disagree on s1 crit not actually being that good as even though yes the uptime is lackluster, it makes boss/Bosses literally unable to crit for a whole turn which combines really well with the rest of her kit like stun that wins another turn and constant healing on her absolutely broken s3 giving your whole team a lot more survival. 100% crit down for 1 turn on its own wouldn't be amazing, but since it combines with her other means of survival and has really powerful second effect in 50% battery its an amazing skill

[@namit5068]

Agreed. There are a lot of bosess/CQs which gain a shit ton of crit dmg up on things like bar break, so just pop S1 on that turn and you're safe.

[@GeorgeMonet]

Assuming the boss isn't CC immune. But that is becoming more common.

[@inferniarosa]

@@GeorgeMonet her overall value is still huge, and immunities are put in place because Enkidu slaughters divine stuff too good

[@kun2588]

Bro those are trash. Swap them out for almost any other effect in the game and she'd be way better than she is now lmao.

[@kyanzennaro2290]

what I will say is Plushie does have a point kinda sorta not really I didn't watch the video lmao the main problem with that Crit Down is its uptime if it was 50% 3 turns I'd gladly take it but being only 1 turn is a little awkward on triggerring like sure if you can forecast a break then it has huge value but it being paired with your main battery makes it weird to trigger and not what I will say though is Healing Block is very niche, so if it could be replaced by any effect then it might have a better utility but Crit Down is always good for challenging content of course farming only people wouldn't get it

[@thornszk]

So this was the one that powercreeped Melu?

[@5anctuary]

I really want to pull for her but her skill set is so boring. Kuku can farm any class but can't use event ce unless they themselves give you np charge.. Ugh got 2 years to ponder I guess.

[@Quetzalcoalt-ne1hz]

Una pregunta quién es más fuerte type ORT o Una clase beats

[@c_layps]

Do you think that Tiamat is on Kuku level interms of neutral damage?

[@Hisyamafi]

Yep, on ramp up NP

[@PlushieMistress]

She doesnt do neutral 99% of the time tho

[@bazah23]

Will grails be enough cus I don’t think I can get copies

[@graycute3971]

I have 2 np tiamat, and i want to grail her. What do you think?

[@baot102]

I have a question. Kulkulkan or Tiamat or Tonelico if they all np5 ? 🤔

[@erikhaugan]

Lmao her horns are huge. How does she walk?

[@Tarkara]

Would you be able to further explain why lots of buster ups is a bad thing? The "watering down" you mentioned, is it like diminishing returns?

[@kun2588]

Yes, it's diminishing returns. The damage calculation in FGO is multiplicative across buff types and additive within. You'd get far more value with smaller numbers on various different buffs than overloading one type; specially card-color which is oversaturated by supports.

[@kmk_zero4858]

cav al ry....

[@Sleepyduo38]

So don't go for higher NP levels of Melusine? Go for Tiamat?

[@Sb142sf]

Mid

[@lordtea]

If only mommy has gut on first or sec skill Common 😭🥲