Serial | Season 01, Episode 02 | The Breakup

[@michaelreese2919]

Guys my teacher had me listen to this for extra credit in 2019, I still think about this. Cherish it, this is a VERY good reporting on a fascinating story.

[@iamtrxpy4249]

Isn't it a little weird how he told Jay someone who isn't even good friends with Adnan that he was going to kill hae and didn't tell anyone else not even his best friend Sadd. I think Jay is lying

[@Supremedream300]

True but I feel like Saad is apart of his family Muslim “other life” Jay seems like a friend he’s with at school that adnan acts differently around. The things jay states adnan says to him seem like things he would say to impress jay or act all tough around his school friends “ keeping up appearances “ I think his family feels he couldn’t have done this because they know him as this all around good boy while at school he’s this player like sports guy that everyone likes I think that jay knew consequences of telling police he helped him and knew it wasn’t right. I think the verdict was correct adnan is guilty

[@sean7854]

No u big dummy. Your smoking pot with someone and your high. You say I'm gonna kill that bitch. Jay is NOT lying. How would he know how deep the grave was or where her car was ? Jay had no motive to kill Hae. It was his girlfriend's birthday and he loved her enough to go buy her a gift so why would he all of a sudden go kill Hae. Duhhh

[@moonis5632]

I am from Pakistani Muslim family grew up in pretty similar conditions to him and conservative Muslim parents showing up at homecoming with the girl you love would destroy your ego and off course you would act to your friends and make it a like a funny incident that’s the easiest way to salvage your reputation from that incident. How do I know thats how I dealt with a similar incident when it happened to me.From what I have heard he seems to have decent reputation compared to most immigrants in high school. I think he’s was conflicted because maybe he had sex with other girls but that was temporary but he was serious with her it was blow to his ego and she left him it was humiliating for him he kept it inside him and only shared it with the guy he knew would least tell anyone or anyone else would talk to . Doesn’t seem that guy had a nice reputation or friends. He was conflicted and his mother shows that it was not a big deal the incident at the party may be she has come to terms with that now but to any Pakistani mother knowing her son is openly having sex and girls friends is a big deal even some of the liberal Muslim families and she seems conservative considering the part of Pakistan she’s from .

[@notsocooldude7720]

Moonis Yea that makes a lot of sense. There’s no way that Adnan was totally chill about the whole thing like he makes it out to be. Doesn’t mean he’s the killer but it does mean he’s at least partially lying to make his case sound better

[@HerobrineGaming]

Jay is definitely lying, no doubt about it. He's the only one who testified against him like this lol + he kept stuttering during his testimony. What would his motive be to lie? He must be the culprit.

[@TKdrizzle]

Why does my teacher got me listening to this.

[@lifeaszymariee]

literallyyy THE WHOLE DAMN SEASON

[@Azam001]

What I don't get is why wasn't Jay prosecuted as an accessory to murder!! He supposedly knew what was going to happen and provided a fake alibi.

[@melz3671]

Who the hell is going to go openly admit to being an accessory to murder!?!? Why is no one asking Jay, why did you willingly go along with all this, why didn't you call the police then, before it happened!? Like, he is swooping in to being the good guy after everything happened and telling police, but if that was his character, he would have done it before she was killed! It makes no sense!!!!!! By the time he goes and tells cops he has already picked him up, drove him to do it, picked him back up, and went and help bury the body, which in the interrogation Jay said when they got to the place Adnan had told him to help and he said fuck no, but right after that he says yeah I helped, we dug about 6 inches......

[@envysoap5998]

I know you wrote this to months ago and I don’t know if you’ll see this but my theory is what if he just had a bad lawyer public representative and they agreed to a plea deal Maybe

[@raipike2699]

Jay did it but is lying so adnan dies in prison for her death because jay knows

[@someonelikecierra]

Melz this is what I’m asking ???!!!!! Like even when you do a plea deal for being an accessory typically the person gets less jail time not a “alright thanks man”

[@anthonywesterman4166]

Here is your issue he didn't openly admit to a crime. He was being interviewed by police which usually means you are asked or forced to come down and give a statement. Especially if one of your friends is a suspect in that crime. Clearly you have no bearing on how male relationships work. 90% of the time when a bro asks you to do something and you respond with a "fuck no" it usually means yes. Plus it was cold on that day so Jay more than likely said "fuck no" but then realized this would take forever and decided to join in and help.

[@8only._.jordan8]

@@anthonywesterman4166 yeah because if one of my friends wanted to commit fucking murder I would be down with it.

[@honestinsincerity2270]

What's really funny is writing the name of someone you are interested in 127 times over and over in a notebook is the exact thing that a prosecutor would use to help convict that person as obsessive and mentally disturbed. It really is just exactly how you spin things and how you create a narrative.

[@kc-lq1fh]

I graduated from woodlawn 2012 so listening to these videos and visualizing locations is like wow

[@JohnThreeSixteen7373]

k c - I went for 9th grade, and grew up in that area. Same for me. I remember all of the spots they’re speaking of, including the snack stand by the gym. It’s crazy.

[@rowmohamed3929]

Do people talk about this a lot at your school?

[@vickyconde1644]

Idk why put to me thats cool and i lil' scary

[@lstruggy]

You can’t pay me to be near leaking park 😵‍💫

[@sk-ec4co]

@@JohnThreeSixteen7373 oòp.

[@aleesac5414]

I think Jay acted alone. He was jealous of Adnan, who was good friends with Stephanie. Adnan danced with Stephanie at their junior prom and then got her a gift for her bday, which set Jay off.

[@ZeeArtss]

YESSSS I FEEL THE SAME

[@lanneymonteiro]

It’s either Jay or Don

[@ilyasuddin3428]

I think it was Don his alibi has been proven to be false. She was on his way to see him after school. Also there was no DNA linking Adnan OR Jay to her car, but their was a third persons thumb print on the trunk of the car - which was never tested. Also Dons DNA was never tested.

[@stewpitteejit]

That's it.

[@monica1047]

THIS

[@Investigativebean]

The conclusions that these prosecutors make, don’t jive with the very typical teenage behavior that is plainly obvious. How uncomfortable. I can only imagine what they might take away from my diary, and poetry. Everything is the end of the world in high school.

[@mrmaldoon8362]

Happy to find this gem of a true crime podcast. Sarah, your great at this.

[@mrmaldoon8362]

@Adam Thank you for taking time out of your day to graciously give me a grammar lesson, Adam. Sorry for the mistake. It won't happen again.

[@vickyconde1644]

@Adam i-

[@vickyconde1644]

@@mrmaldoon8362 pffft- i love that come backkkk

[@vickyconde1644]

Same most pf the murder mystery podcasts i want to listen to are fake and just odd..

[@WhitneyDahlin]

I don't believe Jay. I think he did it.

[@YoungHaveNot]

Why exactly would he do that? No motive at all. Adnan had all the motive after she moved on

[@msgirly6827]

@@YoungHaveNot did you miss the part were he was moving on or?

[@YoungHaveNot]

@subito zx lol

[@sean7854]

Adnan was NOT moving on. Not one girl showed up in court and said she was seeing Adnan. Adnan is a murderer.

[@sean7854]

Thank God you weren't on the jury. Adnan the murderer would be running free to kill another girl.

[@Zenab-hs1ky]

What the fuck Jay literally admitted to being involved in the murder by “helping adnan bury her” why didn’t they look into him this is so fucked up

[@lanneymonteiro]

Exactly

[@Mrmeowgi123]

I think I know what happened... Jay used Hae's love for Adnan to lure her and trick her into thinking Adnan needed her help by calling Hae and telling her Adnan needed help using Adnan's phone. Hae told her friends Adnan needed help with his car... but NOT who called her/texted her. She drove to Jay thinking she was going to help/pick up Adnan only for her to see Jay and get killed. Jay had Adnan's car. Adnan left his phone in the car explaining radio tower pings (only way to fight this in court is to say radio tower pings are unreliable). Jay is the murderer. Motive? Jay constantly boasted about noone being able to find any dirt on him... which points to something private. I think Hae rejected Jay in private and she didnt write it in her diary.

[@swedishboi3208]

Jay is not even a suspect.. awful theory

[@bicolorlamb2119]

​@@swedishboi3208Ya but he still admitted to helping bury her body so it's retarded that he was even convicted

[@WhozaCardoza]

Just a heads up guys in case you haven't figured this out yet. DO NOT EVER TALK TO THE POLICE. It can never help you but it was always hurt you. Get a lawyer if arrested and if not BE QUIET.

[@jameson1239]

Exact that’s what the Miranda rights are all about the only words out of your mouth should be I want to talk to a lawyer and then nothing else

[@disgustedintennessee8840]

You helped dig a hole but you had nothing to do with nothing. Ugh!

[@lgammon1562]

the whole calling at night system is super nostalgic .. but this story is tragic af

[@disgustedintennessee8840]

Awwww....I think this was everyone’s favorite song & I was definitely in love at that time. 😍😍

[@novemberonathursdaymanymoo7459]

I honestly do not believe Adnan killed Hae. Just basing my knowledge of this case on this podcast, which by the, my hats off to your research and investigative skills. Chic, ON POINT! SHARP AS A TACK! It is oh so amazing Jay finds his self consumed with a overwhelming need to talk. I believe what he said was mostly true. Except the part where Adnan is the one who murdered Hae.

[@queenjolie]

I feel like Jay is guilty

[@coll4455]

He sounds so normal this whole thing is so fucking normal it’s scary. The teacher is my favorite, “dark side? I don’t remember any of them having anything upbeat to say” I coach teenage girls lol this is the true statement.

[@michaelcaldwell1495]

I hate that this all took place in 99. If this was current maybe we'd get 100% honest answers

[@Mexicutioner744]

i really don’t get how jay could say he didn’t have any correlation with the murder but yet says he didn’t help but then said he helped with the hole and KNEW how deep it was. more than likely already planning how deep the hole was going to be to also further help his frame with adnan, his framing was perfect. jay knew how dee it had to be to have someone see the body, he knew how he’s a perfect liar. idk just seemed a little, weird.

[@notsocooldude7720]

So are you suggesting that Jay killed Hae? Or maybe someone associated with Jay who isn’t adnan? That sounds nice and all but what would be the motive?

[@maxi0613]

@@notsocooldude7720 There was no proof that Adnan was the murderer except for Jay's statements which are inconsistent. He keeps changing his words and not to say he was a dealer so probably was a good liar too it's not whether he's the killer or not it's more like why would they pin it on Adnan just because Jay is saying Adnan did it.

[@notsocooldude7720]

Bangtan rules You’re acting like adnan had no inconsistent statements. Adnan first said to a cop that he had asked Hae for a ride and then later denied ever asking Hae for a ride. It also seems odd that he would remember nothing from that day considering he got contacted by a police officer about his missing ex, and it was the same day he lended Jay his car and his brand new cellphone, AND it was the last day before they got snowed in for a few days. You see what I’m saying? The only reason adnan doesn’t have an inconsistent story is because he’s claiming he can’t recall anything from that day. Isn’t that a bit suspicious as well? I’m not saying jay isn’t suspicious but you can look at it both ways

[@maxi0613]

@@notsocooldude7720 i get your point but is that still enough evidence to convict him is what I'm trying to say

[@mrjoobjoob17]

Sarah Koenig: "Hae does not describe Adnan as overbearing or possessive in her diary." Actually, Hae did describe him as possessive in her diary once, and several other times alluded to his controlling/possessive behavior and how much anguish it was causing her. Their friend Debbie read relevant excerpts of the diary at trial, and she testified under oath that Adnan was a controlling boyfriend and that he was paranoid about Hae's new crush Don.

[@elanacarter1787]

MrJoobJoob 🙌

[@jameson1239]

Hey can you provide a source for that I’m doing this for school and would like to actually read the court case and not just this podcast

[@27sadhu]

Thanks for this comment.. That was first thing that came to my mind also. SK trying her best to show him in good light..

[@mmarccie6764]

jays story is all over the place. also i’m studying this in school lmao

[@pensbch66]

JAYS story is all over the place??? Might want.to chk.out Adnans.

[@dogsneaudeau122]

This is absolutely amazing. So well done. Thank you for this

[@alejandrahernandez3112]

I agree with her. I don't buy into the motive the state presented. However, that does not prove he didn't do it. Maybe he had a different motive. The whole premise of it seems off. Everyone around him said there was nothing menacing about him, nor weird. I do think that he might of been upset, that him being a player, sorta got played by Hae with the whole Don situation. Maybe he was one of those guys that are okay with playing girls, but will not stand for being played. But was that reason enough for Adnan to kill Hae?

[@aKushProductions]

People kill eachother over stuff as minor as wanting the same parking space or road rage. Someone breaking up with you hurts a lot more than someone cutting you off in traffic.

[@YoungHaveNot]

@@aKushProductions exactly. Why on earth would jay kill her, adnan was involved

[@anthonywesterman4166]

It always makes me laugh when I hear or read someone saying that he wasn't menacing or didn't look dangerous because Dennis Rader, Ted Bundy, Jeffery Dalmer, or many of the countless number of serial killers that had the same description. The motive isn't great but it does play.

[@notsocooldude7720]

Anthony Westerman Yea. And even saying he didn’t seem angry about the break up is stupid. People can say things or act cool about something but deep inside still be very angry about it

[@neweden8755]

Yeah he killed her. His ego couldn’t take it

[@nyomicasey]

Ok Jay is a liar, but what about Don????? Nobody ever talked to him?

[@kr50401]

Sarah did, in one of the last episodes 😊

[@erianadenise3145]

Bro Jay is an accesory to murder since the FIRST ep! Jay's story doesn't add up. The prosecutors are annoying in my opinion. They twist teenagers words like crazy...

[@melz3671]

I am obviously not far in on this crime, but if it continues this way I don't understand how they could have possibly found him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, there just isn't any evidence to prove he did it!!!!!

[@sean7854]

U r dumb

[@jameson1239]

Sean brilliant who needs a debate when you can just say U R Dumb fantastic this is what’s wrong with the human race no one wants to debate different ideas

[@muntasirchowdhury456]

What surprises me is that they made the decision based on the story if only one teenager who seemingly looks like delusional, doesnt even know what he is talking about!

[@adalenerodriguez8936]

Does anyone find it suspicious that Jay stutters so much???

[@inflameddrip180]

I hate English class

[@alexcervera1324]

fax

[@tharealldeezy]

Your here too? lmao

[@dianakhalaf3429]

LMAO 😭 this is pretty good tho

[@Crevsy]

Hate it as well

[@lilsubwoof930]

Same reason that im here

[@Mohammed-ej5ix]

I think Jay was a suspect and the Police said it’s either him or Adnan. They coerced Jay to ‘confess’ about Adnan. It seems to have been quite common back in the day like Steven Avery case where the Police coerced Bassey. The police just see it as any conviction is a successful conviction.

[@speakingtruths]

Cops lie, all day, every day! I've had it happen to me, more than once🤷

[@honestinsincerity2270]

That statement about "religion being the most important thing to him" but then he fell in love with Hae and one day "he'll have to choose between her and his religion" could only have come from an over dramatic teenager who had his first or second girlfriend. Cause it's exciting when you're that age to think "Ooooo, I'm like another Romeo and Juliette, this is so exciting and important!". But it's all just silly teenager bullshit and for anyone to take that seriously seems a little off base

[@liamdennis8559]

I'm 2 episodes in and I feel the narrators best defence for the suspect is that she thinks he had lovely eyes and is charming... 🤷‍♂️

[@27sadhu]

There's just so many weird things about this case, that seem overlooked and noone is discusing . 1) (bit off topic) Noone has heard from Hae since 2 days and they're all having a gala dancing birthday party and looking ecstatic in pictures ?? Maybe understood for others but even adnan debbie etc looking happy and cheerful??? Wow some "friends"! 2) What about the duration between her disapperance and her body? It was a long time, 2 weeks. Noone is talking about it, but It would be interesting to know if Adnan expressed interest to anyone for helping find her or seemed worried and was making physical efforts to find out her whereabouts.That would be strong circumstansial evidence , since all those things would be expected from someone who loved her so much and was in a loving relatoinship just few weeks ago. 3) Why everyone is only focused on the 20 mins time-frame the murder happened. What about his whereabouts when Jay said they were out at Best buy or spending hours trying to get rid of evidence and burying the body. Does Adnan's family say he was home till late that night or was gone for several hours late? If he doesnt remember where he was at very late hours of the night , and his family says he was out a lot the whole evening, isnt that strong circumstantial evidence? Does anyone know about such information? 4) Imagine you love someone with all your heart for a long time, few weeks aftera breakup they end up murdered,you dont know who murdered her, wouldnt you go insane with rage and not rest and just think and talk about trying to find out the person who did that horrible murder of your loved one?? 5) Similar to point 4, imagine you lose everything and the world labels you murderer and you have to spend 30 years in jail when you are innocent,ONLY because ONE person said you did all that and was just lying about everything. Would'nt you have unspeakable resentment and hate towards that person to the point of wishing you could beat the living shit out of them? Now listen to adnan's audios, does he sound like that when Jay name comes up? Or even if the name doesnt come up, i would still keep telling the world that Jay is a horrible person every time i get an opportunity to speak.

[@exuberance8876]

@@treyrice6803 So did Adnan do it? No speculations, just facts and evidence. Does it point towards Adnan?

[@mayaperez6353]

i mean adnan has been in jail for a while i wouldn’t expect him to be raging with anger at the mention of jay. adnan has probably come to terms with it.

[@27sadhu]

@@mayaperez6353 no way..maybe for one interview, but the entire serial?? Daheck! From psychological n body language perspective if u will, he is already guilty as fk...the only thing is it surely didnt happen the way jay described, he just minimised his involvement n threw adnon under the bus while both deserve jail

[@27sadhu]

N why say “pathetic” to him rubbing his shoulder in court..that sounds like “snitch” accusatuion..id rather if he said wtf is wrong with u, u lying scumbag, or why jay why..but “pathetic”? Ooh another guiltty point

[@mayaperez6353]

@@27sadhu i see your point. but there’s a chance adnan was just pissed that jay told the police he killed hae. what evidence is making you think adnan is guilty other than body language? i still don’t understand what adnan’s motive would be and he has an alibi.

[@yamo1944]

Why does jay keep fake coughing

[@vickyconde1644]

Yoo.... 👀

[@Wrath_Lxrd]

yamo19 He’s choking on all of those lies.

[@elchismethegossip]

Movements of guilt ,just like when they yawn or stretch lol

[@27sadhu]

The great Sherlock Holmes..thanks for solvibg this cass

[@yuhdude2607]

I personally am a teenager and I can tell you I have no idea what I did six weeks ago. I too stutter at being questioned what I did November 5th, I can tell you I probably did this and that because I like order and do the same thing every week. But I can’t tell you for sure who I did or didn’t talk to

[@27sadhu]

Aww..not even when that day u lent ur car n new phone to someone for first and only time AND a cop called u and spoke 5 mins for disappearance of one of ur closest friends ( he called her thrice the night before ) Even then the day is just "normal day" lol u Adnan is innocent supporters are out of ur mind just cuz he goodlooking

[@shifa444]

@@27sadhu or maybe just maybe ppl think he’s innocent cuz there is not nearly enough evidence to put someone in prison for murder???

[@netm203]

I feel like they're leading us to think he is innocent. There may have not be enough to convict.. but he had something to do with it... Rip young Hae

[@sean7854]

Adnan is GUILTY but they have to make it sound like he's not so they have a podcast

[@LLMood]

Adnan told Jay before the act , jay didn't tell the cops, Adnan called him after the act to help him with the crime AND he dropped him off after and didn't tell the cop immediately, Jay acted shady AF he should have been locked up with Adnan only way to be sure the killer paid for his crime.

[@Macken-n9l]

For anyone thinking Adnan is Guilty I would like to point something out which neither helps nor hurts Adnan. It just clears this podcast and Sarah Koenig of ridiculous claims. First Sarah has been open to Adnan being innocent and guilty many times throughout the series. Even at the very end she doesn’t have a definite conclusion. Second, she is offering her perspective on this matter. How she feels, how other people who knew Adnan feel. That doesn’t mean she is forcing us to think Adnan is innocent or guilty. She’s offering her perspective and how she takes it. Also repeatedly offering two perspectives of innocent and guilty. The crew of podcast did a great job on this bringing this case up and how interesting it is. That does not mean they are too blame for people thinking Adnan is innocent. It’s unfair to them when they simply wanted to tell a story. But they didn’t write a narrative of Adnan being guilty or innocent. Because they probably did fear it would spark controversy. It’s so f*cked up how people will call this case biased. But I’ve listened to this enough times to know, it isn’t. And whoever keeps saying this is, is writing a narrative.

[@chefbetsy9094]

Listening again for the 3rd time! Its that good!

[@Michelina22]

Just found you though a friend, excellent podcast

[@TheKourtneyDee]

Hae never describes Adnan as posessive. Meanwhile lidterslly verbatim in Haes diary it says " It irks me to know that I'm against his religion. He called me a devil a few times. I know hes only joking but its somewhat true. I hate that. It's like making him choose between me and his religion. The second thing is the possessiveness. Independence (indiscernible) I'm a very independent person. I really rely on my parents. Although I love him, its not like i need him. I know I'll be just fine without him, and i need some time for myself and (indiscernible) other than him. How dare he get mad at ke for planning to hang with Aisha?" Even if thats an 'unimportant' detail, which id argue its not, there are several of Haes friends yhat did interviews explqining how Adnan would show up to Haes friends house when theyd be having a girls night and cinstantly paging her to see wuat she was doing even after theyd already spoken. Also a few times in which she had asked a teacher to not tell Adnan that she had been on the phone a few times if he had come by. In fairness thats pretty normal for highschool relationships, but i find it unfair to the victim and her story to not include her truth.

[@ahlungjai]

That's so crazy that they believe Jay smh

[@HopeAndrea_HFG]

RapsLeafsJays The dealer, of all people

[@notsocooldude7720]

RapsLeafsJays But it’s also crazy to believe Adnan or Asia or anyone else for that matter. Btw, a classmate of Asia said that Asia had told them in class that she was so convinced that Adnan was innocent that she would make up a lie to prove his innocence

[@hunterpendleton7647]

At this point I’m the killer

[@ads13924]

Great big flapping in the breeze type red flag. I think he is guilty. So far. He even gives them kinda vibes. But will wait and see

[@LsBrigandes]

Why would jay confess like that and implicate himself if it wasn't true??

[@kevintab1044]

LsBrigandes only reason imo is because he did it. I’m only hearing ep 2 now so haven’t heard the rest yet

[@Elor427]

1. The detectives could have had something on him and he wanted to save his own skin. 2. They implicated him or lied about him being prosecuted and he wanted to save his own skin. 3. He murdered her and wanted to shift the spotlight onto someone else. 4. He let the detectives get to him and told them what they wanted to hear.

[@notsocooldude7720]

Erika But what is the motive?

[@Trish.Norman]

Prosecution needed Jay’s testimony in order to take it to trial. They probably offered him a deal. You testify and we won’t charge you.

[@georgesteck86]

I think Stephanie murdered her and had jay help her with the body . I think that all the things jay said were prob true but it wasn’t Adnan it was Stephanie .

[@kaylah951]

What I don't get is how everyone is saying that Adnan was possessive and shit like that but Saad says that they were laughing about the whole homecoming thing. I honestly think Jay is lying and yeah maybe Adnan was upset that hae had a crush on don but that's how boyfriends are. I'm doing this for a class assignment so hopefully whenever I get deeper, everything will make more sense.

[@koogle5410]

Because saad is Rabia chaudry son and has a vested interest in adnans innocence

[@megansgot47]

Was Jays shoes ever tested for soil like Ahnan?

[@rayyansubhani4802]

It’s adnon not ahnon

[@kristiesteenson7163]

Its ACTUALLY ADNAN.

[@chillycoldchomper9389]

@@kristiesteenson7163 yeah

[@heyitsalex2619]

I vaguely remember listening to this a few years ago and am re listening for a research paper. Here's my opinion based on what I have already heard and what I remember Jay did it. 100% Weather he acted completely alone, I am not sure. There was one guy coming up in later episodes that makes me think he may have helped- he's the one who found her body. The way he acts and talks just seems so suspicious. I won't put him in there, though. Maybe he was too drunk when he found her to understand. I don't remember if he was drunk or not. I'll figure it out when I get to that episode. Anyways, I think Jay did it. He was jealous of Adnan and Stephanie's relationship and wanted to get him out of the way. Like Sarah says, "everything is the end of the world in highschool". So, he acted on how he felt. Maybe he was smart about it. He would be suspected if he killed Adnan. Plus, from Sarah's description of Adnan, he would have easily overpowered him too. So, he did the next best thing, he killed Adnan's ex and framed him. That way, he's out of the way. Hae was a lot smaller than Adnan and easier to move and the body. Then, since he already had Adnan's phone and car, as Adnan had left it with him to buy Stephanie a birthday present and the phone so he could call him when he needed a ride, everything he did after looked like Adnan did it. It was extremely easy to do. Whatever Jay did, tell them that it was Adnan.

[@jordandelacruz1051]

For real

[@StinginShadow]

I see some comments on this one and the last one of people complaining because they had to do this for school, but i would have loved to listen to these for school because I love true crime stuff.

[@chefbetsy9094]

@MrMeogmeo the more i think about your theory, the more it makes perfect sense! It would explain how Jay who was not a super tight friend, knows so much! Jay got away with murder!!!!!

[@elijahcorbett4630]

I keep on thinking about Jay because most of the evidence points to him but then they would try to convince us otherwise.

[@MaMgazi]

Rn I’m too annoyed at Jay to keep listening. I have to pause and come back later. Justice system failed Adnan case-wise.

[@adnaabd8544]

Ummm Don should be a suspect

[@bvanityofficial2004]

Adna Abd that’s so true

[@elisahoffman1613]

jay: um- uh police: yes, you are right. Adnan killed her

[@sosaonthebeat1695]

@kirby did you just cite reddit lmao

[@MichaelKollman]

It's been proven by Adnan's own private investigators hired by Rabia Chaudry, that the timecards couldn't be altered without leaving a trace. Not to mention, there were 9 OTHER PEOPLE AT LENSCRAFTERS that would vouch to seeing Don. Stop engaging in slander, you pos. Accept the truth, Adnan killed her. It wasn't Don. It wasn't Jay. It wasn't Bilal. It wasn't "Mr. S."(weird for people to call Alonzo Sellers that btw...)

[@YoungHaveNot]

The bias is ridiculous, Adnan was clearly devastated by the break up

[@msgirly6827]

Your bias is ridiculous. The amount of prove that exist that he didnt do it is overwhelming. And im not even talking about the fact that Jay is shady as fuck.

[@notsocooldude7720]

That Girl It’s not overwhelming at all. Of course he’s going to act cool to his friends about the break up. Deep inside he could’ve been very angry and it makes a lot of sense that he would tell someone like Jay how he really feels deep down. My point is that there is no overwhelming evidence on either side

[@musaxcoco2833]

But wait.the girlfriend of Jay is called Stephanie, as in the prom princess who was mentioned in Hae Mins diary? Who was somehow dumped by Adnan to be with Hae? Crazy theory: Stephanie was in love with Adan and more than jealous of Hae, so she got somehow in contact with Jay, ending up planning to murder Hae Min and blaming it on Adan as a punishment? The dna found on the wheel in Haes car, could be Stephanies, who parked it there, so the story would make sense?

[@Rebelass74]

🤣 don’t let your imagination run wild. All you need to know is Adnan didn’t even call her once after she went missing, as if he knew she was dead. The day before he was texting her 40 times!! Everyone was calling her phone to find her but he never did. Don’t you find that strange?

[@BennyHarassi]

@@Rebelass74 texting in 1999? dawg that woulda been a $200 bill stop lyin...

[@Rebelass74]

@@BennyHarassi ????!!!! That’s the official report. FACTS YOU MUPPET!!

[@khayyamshaikh9182]

@@Rebelass74 don never called her either

[@vickyconde1644]

My friends think its weird to listen to this but like.... whats a college kid gotta do when drawing likee ........this is really interesting and so nice to listen to and to just feel like your there and seeing everything happe all at once i just-

[@ghoul4009]

Jay was a drug dealer and not all drug dealers are bad but it could’ve been something drug related? And Jay killed her and made Adnan take the fall.

[@elanacarter1787]

“None of the friends said that Anan was possessive or controlling.” First of all yes they did, and secondly there are so many times when abusive behavior goes undetected, they aren’t going to show people what’s going on behind the curtains.

[@rayyansubhani4802]

It’s adnon not anon

[@elanacarter1787]

Rayyan Subhani wow thanks so much I will change that ASAP

[@PepeFuego369]

Watching October 2020. Adnan still in jail. Hopefully he will get out.

[@wildlifeof10]

@SARAH ELLEFSON no evidence on him & plus jay is giving signs he is lyin

[@jessicabaca5186]

For years after first listening to this podcast, I've thought maybe he was innocent. But now, I think they just let out a guilty man and feel so sorry for the poor girls family His intelligence and charm manipulated Sarah and everyone else

[@mikethetiger1759]

an old tv show had a detective who would say JUST THE FACTS MAAM...

[@vickyconde1644]

Waitttt why does jay keep saying uh or um i got a feeling he did it

[@suzzzan3]

@PodcastCentral Did anyone, or could someone examine the cell phone/social media messaging records between Asia and her boyfriend, Derek, on the afternoon of the murder? Any records of Asia messaging Derek to find out why he was late might help to establish her timeline in the library. Additionally, if Derek is anything like many jealous boyfriends, he would be unlikely to let the whole girlfriend-talking-to-somebody-else thing go with only one conversation. If Asia's initial report was accurate, I would think there is a good likelihood that further exchanges on the topic may have followed in subsequent days.

[@chefbetsy9094]

Good theory

[@cheesesteaksfootball7103]

How does he not remember where he was dosent he say he could have been at the library. Like bro u don’t remember. If I was charged with murder after 20 years you still don’t know where you were

[@linkjourney422]

I mean what I don’t get is how could a man who was fasting, have the ability and the strength to strangle someone to death without leaving any physical evidence on the victim or having any marks on his body to suggest he was in a physical altercation. Especially given in the fact that the victim was a lacrosse player and physically fit as well. Combine that with the ever changing stories of Jay about the events in question and the fact that AT&T gave a warning saying that geolocation was not reliable at their towers when receiving calls. I have reasonable doubt on Sayd’s guilt

[@no_name9825]

16:42 what do you think of Saad? Not sure how to pronounce his name. Is it possible that Saad and Hae had a secret relationship too ? He’s way too excited for a phone call.

[@monicapressley2390]

Was a polygraph ever done on Jay or Adnan? Or why hasn't the defense performed any DNA testing on Hae? So, many questions.

[@jamiemorrell3872]

The thing is held into a court of law polygraph tests can’t confirm anything bc they’re not 100% accurate so done or not they wouldn’t of used it. This whole thing is trialed wrong

[@Sweetliltulip]

@@jamiemorrell3872 actually they can use it for the narrative.

[@notsocooldude7720]

Monica Pressley It’s a known fact that the polygraph test is completely meaningless. There are several serial killers who beat the polygraph even though there is 100% certainty that they committed the crime

[@jameson1239]

I’m pretty sure polygraphs aren’t admissible in court

[@mrunal6364]

Maybe it's Jay who did the murder and then told the same story he conducted when we was summoned for investigation

[@georgesteck86]

I think jays girlfriend Stephanie is the one that murdered her and had her boyfriend jay help her burry the body and came up with a plot to blame Adnan for it .

[@NCMETAL]

An interesting take but one I don’t see any real evidence for, what motive would Stephanie have to kill Hae?

[@milart12]

Why do you think that Stephanie did it?

[@khayyamshaikh9182]

@@NCMETAL jealousy

[@lionelcregut1222]

If I was innocent, the thing I would have said to Sarah over and over again, this freaking Jay is framing me man, I m telling you, you gotta investigate him, what he pointed the finger at me......and that s totally missing from the podcast, Guilty!!!!! both of them

[@tinamina5859]

Aiesha sounds different in this interview versus others.

[@melfreemans]

I've had several Muslim Pakistani friends who's parents immigrated to the US. They never had the restrictions placed on them that this boy had. Idk if their parents were more lax, or his were unusually strict.

[@ilyasglobal]

mine are like his, except I don't really feel the urge to go against the restrictions /shrug

[@melfreemans]

@@ilyasglobal you obviously have respect for your parents. That's something we all share, Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, etc, we want to make our parents proud. But then as teenagers we all think our parents are ridiculous and old fashioned! Now I am 60, and I realized years ago that my parents were much wiser than I thought they were!

[@ilyasglobal]

@@melfreemans yeah thats true. I'm 16 and have pakistan muslim parents. Ig it's just different for some people

[@melfreemans]

@@ilyasglobal my husband's family are Lutheran and they are very strict! On Sunday after church they could not watch TV, or go to any restaurant. Absolutely NO drinking of course! They couldn't even go to a movie theater or go fishing, play baseball, anything. My husband and I are not strict like that now that we are old lol! My parents were opposite...I was not allowed to go to church because my parents thought religion was ridiculous. But they were still strict...no dating until after 16 years old, no bad language, always study hard and make good grades, clean house, etc.

[@Zahra-lc3mj]

Well obviously not all Muslims are religious just like not all Jews or Christians. Adnan happened to come from a religious family. His mother wears hijab and his dad has a beard and is obviously devout. So no premarital sex/dating, drinking, or drugs. This is what I find silly about Adnans motive. Obviously he didn’t call Hae after she disappeared because he didn’t want any more association with Hae. He along with Don were probably scared/freaked out by the cops calling him that day and didn’t want the cops coming to his home or calling his house again so cut ties with Hae. He didn’t want to get in trouble With his parents let alone get in trouble with cops so why would he kill her? He was a senior excited to go to college and meet new girls and got the cell phone so he can talk to girls without his mom eavesdropping on the land line

[@nicholashadley126]

Open and shut, j admitted to being present and you can’t prove adnon was, why is there so many episodes?

[@shifa444]

and how do u know that jay is not lying? especially considering that he changed his story 5 times

[@ibrahimmirza4903]

He's been freed finally

[@v1n.gutsngalore]

this is my damn homework

[@foofy3406]

i don’t buy the motive. not one bit.

[@Poppy-yx8js]

Does serial support robbing homes because you received a cease and desist?? I wonder.

[@iLuvMyHIPHop]

At 31:26 does Sarah say “no one testified they saw Hae and Don leave together” ?

[@sexmaster9617]

Noemmy they told the police not the court

[@hanner8830]

She says hae and adnan very quickly so it sounds like hae and don.

[@jgomez931]

What do we learn about adnan lawyer? What’s is some physical evidence found? Edit: plz help me out

[@chivamarudelasrosas5774]

22:00

[@hansen2461]

Mayfield gang

[@JinjoJinjoJinjo]

Hi Sam :]

[@Shah91270]

GUYS PLOTTWIST WHAT IF SARAH LIKES ADNAN AND SCNCE ADNAN LIKED HAE SARAH KILLED HER AND SHE FELLS BAD FOR ADNAN AND ALSO JAY IS SCARED THAT ADNAN LIKES STEOHONE SO HE BLAMES HIM WITH LIES.

[@hatsune_baker6227]

That's dumb😑

[@sadethesad]

Part of epics ela courses

[@RickCostello]

As guilty as OJ.

[@laurabc0814]

32:50 the day I was born

[@jaylay9524]

I'm waiting for this story to get good, but after episode 2, it seems to be moving way too slowly. I feel like the same point is being made over and over when it could move much more quickly. I'm only 2 episodes in though. Perhaps it will make more sense as things start to progress.

[@Zenab-hs1ky]

I feel like episode 1 was a brief explanation of what was going to be talked about

[@SoneBlink]

Her friends say he was very controlling, that's a red flag. That's the type of guy who see a girl as his possession. She's with someone else, his "object" is not longer his and he kill her. That's exactly the motive sick guys kill girls all over the world. By the end of ep 2 i think he did it. Killers can be so manipulative ans charming.

[@shifa444]

7:36 it says it in the podcast that by her own admission she doesn’t know if her memories are colored by what happened later. also if u look at haes diary, there is so indication that he was controlling.

[@sean7854]

Adnan is 100000000% GUILTY

[@jameson1239]

Yeah probably but So far there isn’t enough evidence to convict beyond reasonable doubt

[@MichaelKollman]

@@jameson1239 "Reasonable doubt" is a joke standard defense lawyers use to get obviously guilty people free...

[@jameson1239]

@@MichaelKollmanwell good news if you want a justice system where that standard doesn’t exist move to Russia, China or North Korea

[@MichaelKollman]

@@jameson1239 that would be worse, idiot

[@Misspennylemon]

This narrator is so biased it makes this whole podcast useless

[@rztt]

Whats going on here......😮😮😮

[@patrickmahomesthegoat180]

I feel like jay did it

[@carolmiller3585]

Think it could be simmering deep down

[@may-hj1hi]

The parents should feel a sense of guilt about all of this if he did do it. That culture makes no sense and pride doesnt mean a thing. Real live is acceptance. Worried about what people think of them why?. Look how much worse it is now! Half the world think hes a killer and there harsh rules all been exposed as part of the plot. Hopefully other structures parents learn from this.

[@shifa444]

they weren’t worried about what other ppl thought of them. his mother was the only one in his family who had an issue w him dating bc that’s against their religion not bc of what other ppl thought.

[@MichyHernandez-b2q]

I hate my emglish class beuh

[@sean7854]

Adnan says he wanted to make fun of his friend cause Asia had a new man . So did his friends humiliate him that HAE also had a new man and made Adnan look like a bitch ? Is that why Adnan got angry and killed her ? I think so

[@ScottClarinet]

Bruv Ngl it honestly sounds like don bc she was calling him at his house and he probably got mad

[@MichaelKollman]

It's been proven by Adnan's own private investigators hired by Rabia Chaudry, that the timecards couldn't be altered without leaving a trace. Not to mention, there were 9 OTHER PEOPLE AT LENSCRAFTERS that would vouch to seeing Don. Stop engaging in slander, you pos. Accept the truth, Adnan killed her. It wasn't Don. It wasn't Jay. It wasn't Bilal. It wasn't "Mr. S."(weird for people to call Alonzo Sellers that btw...)

[@melacholicpeach6645]

17:04

[@youflaw3285]

It’s obvious hai definitely was bipolar and saed parents being sooo strict caused this all. I’m not saying his parents are to blame but it definitely played a part in his relationship