POLITICON - DESTINY REACTS

Date streamed: October 20th, 2018
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[@HasanAbi]

oh man idk if i wanna see this 0 .. 0

[@storyspice974]

You did great man

[@shortyboyhero]

You did AWESOME, Dude. You actually brought "Reals over Feels" in that debate. Well done.

[@Kuhubulu]

You did well Hasan! I'm sure you are looking back on this wishing you made different rebuttals/counterpoints (as we all would in your situation) but your debating chops have improved considerably since last year and you maintained level-headedness and ideological consistency.

[@TurtleFul]

Considering how extremely gish galoped you were constantly you did admirably in that debate. Especially since it was so public and not moderated AT ALL. What was the point of the guy in the middle!

[@Gaiafreak6969]

The acrobatics done to strangely couple being a Democrat with being a leftist was strange. The Republicans and Democrats are jointly the capitalist party. Socialism isn't the government doing more things, it's an arrangement of labour relative to capital. Reading up on the countries that are often boogie manned by reactionaries like this (Cuba, USSR, dprk, Vietnam) can help against intellectually and historically dishonest arguments. Also, great point when you asked why deaths are only attributed to non capitalist ideologies and not (neo)liberal capitalism

[@issaosama4937]

I absolutely disagree with turning debates into WWE style fights instead of actual discussion of policy however Sam Seder destroyed Charlie in every way possible.

[@dcon9995]

Boooooi I saw that fuckfest, we need a gofundme for Kirk to buy him a diaper and a pacifier.

[@wfjhDUI]

I really enjoy WWE debates but unfortunately I guess we can't have nice things because people who don't know what actual, substantive, good-faith arguments sound like take these memefest "debates" seriously.

[@issaosama4937]

w4fjhDU514I1 I mean if they had a disclaimer saying “don’t take this debate seriously” it would make sense but the organisers are trying to feel legitimate and influence people. Good faith debates have died and unfortunately it turned into a popularity contest.

[@wfjhDUI]

issa osama I think the problem runs deeper than the organizers. Shock jock conservatives have taken over the public face of the right, hollowed out any depth that conservatism had, and replaced it with a resentful culture war. /pol/ is now the intellectual backbone of the right and thoughtful people are way out on the fringe.

[@dcon9995]

@@EsotericOccultist You sound like the typical conservative who bitches constantly about other people's opinions and wants their own opinion validated then cries when no one actually cares. Projection at its finest.

[@neclark2]

I lost it when Charlie bragged about wages rising 3.8 percent in 18 months under trump. That is under the inflation rate - literally stagnant/falling wages!

[@ravivdlin9412]

I lose it when he pretends like he gives a fuck about the working class

[@shace4765]

@@billclinton8382 nope, look at the debate with sam seder. If i remember correctly even someone in the audience called him out for that blatant lie

[@spacezoo5079]

In my field the positions I was looking at ~4-2 years ago are all paying ~$4 more an hour than they were then. That's about a 25% increase (18 to 22, 20 to 24).

[@Akkoston]

@benny pitt woah!! Omg really? You're the first person on earth to ever say that. Such an icon. Revolutionary 😱😱😱

[@pauluhlenbruck]

Who is here after their break up?

[@goduvideo7995]

Crazy to think it's already been a year

[@ishaansingh8090]

Yo I just started watching both of them, what happened?

[@goduvideo7995]

@@ishaansingh8090 destiny said the n word on accident and that cascaded into a massive private vc public language arc that lead to destiny's falling out with trihex, Hassan and the broader online left... It was pretty sad to see and it distorted destiny's perception about lefties but he's made it clear there's nothing to be done...

[@ishaansingh8090]

Godu Video oh yeah I watched a couple of those debates and fights but I didn’t know that those were what caused their fallout

[@goduvideo7995]

@@ishaansingh8090 there's a video that recaps that whole thing but it's pretty long: 2hrs 40m, it's called "the hard r truth" it's fanmade and compiles most of the events, it has a bit of a destiny slant but it still accurately documents all the important stuff

[@Mabmark]

"The most important thing that soldiers defend is politicians and arguments" ~ Destiny LMAO

[@awoofer]

Hopefully he does the same type of video with the Kirk vs Seder debate Seder killed it and was able to shut down Kirk on almost every point kirk tried to pivot to.

[@guyfromcollege]

Yeah he later did this for the Seder vs. Kirk debate. I'm sure it will be up eventually

[@melrakan]

do you know what timestamp on the stream it begins?

[@yahwehvii3105]

David Ilea He either watched him to get a hint of Sam's style of debating or was warned about him. Sam has a tendency to domineer and steer the debate to his strengths.

[@zero4337]

@@guyfromcollege did destiny watch Kyle's debate?

[@wfjhDUI]

David Ilea Yep, it reminded me a bit of when Molymeme invited on Chomsky and Molymeme was suddenly treating a lefty guest in an extremely subdued and deferential manner even after all his sparring matchings with easy and unprepared lefty randos.

[@jacerox]

Wow, Destiny got Venezuela'd in this debate

[@ToxicTerrance]

I'm currently pooping.

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

Vuvuzela’d*

[@Ceade_]

Despasito'd

[@miguelzavaleta1911]

What's with these "Destiny got X-ed in this debate" comments? Where did they come from?

[@Junebug89]

Retards would say "Destiny got destroyed in this debate" when he clearly didn't and his fans started saying it ironically and well yeah

[@Rezinstance]

Charlie: "Stop interrupting me." "I let you finish your diatribe...." "Let me finish please Hassan." "For the love of God, Hassan let me finish...." **literally spent the entire discussion interrupting and gishgalloping with largely irrelevant and/or incorrect talking points** One of the most frustrating discussion I've heard this year. What a hack.

[@ravivdlin9412]

He's a douchey shill who probably believes 1/3 of the bullshit he spits out and sleeps in a pile of money while pretending to represent college students around the country lol the reason he freaked out at the Young Turks guy who interrupted is because that guy asked Charlie how much money HE makes spouting these talking points he's been given by his donors.

[@trentirvin2008]

They literally can’t engage in a conversation is the problem. People like Kirk can only memorize surface level talking points with no deeper understanding of the issue at hand

[@1unknown1er]

Right because Hassan is such a beacon of intelligence. The guy who says things like "I don't give a fuck about Egypt dawg" during a political debate, lmao.

[@snkenjoyer4989]

@@1unknown1er entirely beside the point

[@MyNameIsJ3ffrey]

Cancer how so?

[@wfjhDUI]

"Capitalism vs. socialism" debates are sometimes fun to watch with a bag of popcorn but both sides of the debate are so broad and vague that it's impossible to have a substantive discussion. It inevitably becomes a dumb memefest. "Wadabowt muh free markets?" "Wadabowt muh libraries?" "Wadabowt Venezuela?" "Wadabowt Chile?" "Wadabowt the Soviets?" "Wadabowt the Nazis?"

[@fullmetalsnowflake2508]

w4fjhDU514I1 fuckinnnnn word. It’s only ever interesting and fruitful with concrete examples and some relevant factual evidence. Socialism and capitalism mean completely different things in different contexts, and each can have a million different variations. And then, you can take a million specific readings from each variation. You’re gonna wind up arguing past each other

[@BunnyBoyMcGill]

Oh boy CRTV ads! Thanks Google can't wait to KMS

[@Tryhardblackguy]

The right is being censored though. You shouldn't get an ad like that.

[@pathocrat]

Amazing grassroots fundraising to put a CRTV ad on every single video I click on.

[@mynameisjack0618]

Oh my god finally someone understands! I saw one with Gavin McCinnes on it, even though the major news media is starting to realize that maybe he’s the leader of a hate group.

[@qwerty-ib7ww]

every video from destiny gets a CRTV ad, why? Does youtube algorithm categorize steven as a right-wing personality??

[@pathocrat]

I think of it more as a hate clan, since they're all just geeks trying to fight left-wing geeks. They suck at life but they're not dangerous.

[@awsomeben4kills]

Destiny as a Norwegian I get cancer everytime some Republican tries to say that the system we have in Norway would not work in the USA. Norway has a mix of private and Public Healthcare.It's not super fast or the best but it takes care of people that would otherwise be left to die in the streets. Also if you have money and you can't wait for the public Healthcare you can always go to private.

[@wfjhDUI]

Get a load of this commie bullshit! People living in the totalitarian hellscape of Norway don't even have the freedom to die in the streets. USA! USA!

[@lennoxbaumbach390]

You know, you sound like an erratic crazy person by engaging in ad Hominem attacks and chanting the name of your country IN CAPSLOCK!

[@awsomeben4kills]

@@wfjhDUI 😂😂😂

[@ProfessorBalth]

@@lennoxbaumbach390 I'm pretty sure he was being Sarcastic.

[@awsomeben4kills]

yeah i think he was joking as well :)

[@wfjhDUI]

46:20 Charlie Kirk with the hottest of takes: Chicago has a high murder rate because of strict gun laws.

[@killercaos123]

Those guns don't even originate from Illinois. They come from gun friendly states.

[@aabbcc7532]

Try to commit gang crimes and violence in Dallas or El Paso. Break into someone’s house with a gun, your dead. Hop in someone’s car with a gun, your dead. Go to Chicago, do whatever you want any non-criminal will be defenseless

[@Alex-cw3rz]

I can hardly breathe under the amount this guy is gish galloping.

[@jamesclement8985]

If the Nazis were socialist because they used the word to describe themselves, then North Korea is a democratic republic. I'm surprised more people don't use this absurd counterexample.

[@timmd8766]

I'll take note of that and might use it actually. That point has always bothered me. In Sweden we have a party calling themselves the Sweden Democrats yet they desire a one-party rule for the country and for the king to appoint people to political positions.

[@warbon8853]

Yeah. Like communists saying they care about the working class... Oh wait

[@dw3yn693]

Well they don’t do because North Korea actually is a democratic country :)

[@MLPGamer44]

Destiny needs to get Kyle on to debate the minimum wage. Wish we would have watched something with Kyle kulinski in it.

[@LewdConnoisseur]

Don't they agree on minimum wage?

[@MrRickyRAW]

Kyle Kulinski and a destiny video would make me so happy.

[@MLPGamer44]

Doesn’t destiny disagree with a raise of the minimum wage, and the minimum wage in general? I might be going off of older videos but I thought destiny was the opposite of Kyle on that issue at a surface level?

[@Avenger222]

@AHxIntrovert44 Yep, you're right. I think they might find common ground with unionization, however. I think it would be a good discussion, none-the-less.

[@Aberusugi]

@@MLPGamer44 nah, he thinks that Bernie's minimum wage proposal of 15 dollar federal minimum wage is probably too far because in some states that would have a dramatically bad effect.

[@awoofer]

I think Hasan has a lot of potential, he still did well in this debate, but he just doesn't have the practice that Seder does.

[@awoofer]

@@xXscreamingkoalaXx he definitely made mistakes but his healthcare argument was pretty solid

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

@@awoofer I was triggered by him earlier. But I stand by it. I believe he's simply been taught the arguments. He's not capable of doing his own analysis. That's why whenever he speaks off-argument (off-script) he sounds 100% less intelligent. Occasionally he does well but I have a hard time giving him any credit.

[@herny45]

I mean if any one says "highways are socialists" and expects to be taken seriously is laughable imo. Neither of these men understand the underlying problem with socialism (and Marxism) by extension. There's no such thing as private property under socialism. And you would lose it at the end of the barrel of a gun.

[@feelmypuddle4963]

@@herny45 Could you elaborate, because presenting the problem with socialism is that you don't own property seems rather simplistic

[@herny45]

@@feelmypuddle4963 Because it is a simple problem. Under socialism and Marxism, there exists the communal ownership of property. (I'm not talking about your toothbrush). But private property as a whole. Meaning: this business isn't yours. It's the people's business. This house isn't yours. It's the people's house, and as such everyone needs to live in the same kind of houses. And under socialism, the land / business will be taken away from you. At the barrel of a gun.

[@The_passiveObserver]

DO NOT I REPEAT DO NOT LET THIS DISTRACT YOU FROM THE FACT THAT ITS *SPOOKTOBER*

[@jondoh9414]

Destiny is already defending Socialism, I'm so proud.

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

Jon Doh ALL ACCORDING TO KEIKAKU.

[@Matt-ww9wv]

Maybe he's not a sociopath after all

[@ravivdlin9412]

It's either defend socialism or be on the Trumptards side Destiny had no choice!

[@Nersius]

How long until Destiny is discussing Bread Daddy on stream?

[@howitbe4670]

Socialism objectively doesn’t work

[@sperez5402]

Kirk asked Hasan what was his salary but got triggered when cenk asked him the same question that he thought was to fair to ask Hasan and then said he makes less yeah the guy who offered Alexandria ocasio Cortez 100000 to debate makes less money than 68000 a year

[@bloodmoon3155]

My family live in Sweden. I lived in sweden as well. I don't think any of those guys lived in Sweden b4? Sweden is not just about healthcare, and education. It's more true freedom and safety, great public transportation, no schools shootings or cops shoot ppl, Sweden is like a whole different planet and culture than the United states, because they don't believe in a God or go to wars, or segregated, or built by slaves. America has the hillbilly culture that's why many ppl who moved to the USA legally. Left couple years after living here. You can't fix America. It's too late and needs time of education.

[@wfjhDUI]

Well ok, but do you have freedom? Got 'im 😏

[@MadJackChurchill1312]

Inb4 response about refugees. Inb4 not knowing a single thing about Sweden’s history with refugees. Inb4 rape stats ignoring 10-year trend line.

[@thesupremegentlemanatheist7382]

I'm tempted to go on a school shooting in Sweden now just to shit in your cereal.

[@TheKornesczuk]

sounds like you guys have everything figured out! mind taking America's minorities? you guys could use a bit of diversity, after all

[@niksn8247]

"or built by slaves" Vikings, pilaging, raping, slave taking raiders

[@badbadnotgoodgoodgodnotbad2930]

Imagine having a political debate about the economy, healthcare and fail to mention the perpetual wars that have got America in the position it's in today.

[@HappyMan0203]

@avenderiel Maybe a decade ago. Nowadays, we're pretty fucking sick of it.

[@avenderiel]

Yeah, you guys said that during the Vietnam era as well. Then the government threw you another bone with Reagan, and you gobbled it up.

[@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy]

I agree getting hung up on the semantics of "socialism" is unproductive, and labeling any sort of mixed economy or public service "socialism" is ignorant as hell. That said, we should also be just as frustrated when the more ignorant zealots of the left label any sort of government/corporate corruption as "capitalism". Socialism and capitalism are *economic systems* and are very different and separate from the issues of public services and corporate corruption.

[@Learning2BeBrave]

@@CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy . definitely an important point. Corruption exists in most human groups and is hard to stop obviously the bigger they get.

[@francisdonahue4999]

Corruption is very prevalent in small groups because of social forces we are all prone to. It's necessary to have people whose role it is to be watchdogs, such as a free press, internal checks and audits, systems of approval for spending and appointing officials, and so on. Generally the more authoritarian a system and the more a leader cultivates personal power, the more rampant the corruption.

[@12Altaire]

Saying a person is successful because they aren't on food-stamps is like saying a person is healthy because they don't have cancer.

[@knallekalle9920]

If the bar is that low, I don't see why Charlie Kirk is even complaining about the state of the US.

[@sammfshields]

Title spelt wrong it says politico destiny

[@EditorMaddog]

Fixed! Thanks for pointing it out

[@kazer7907]

Steven needs to coach Hasan at debates

[@xXscreamingkoalaXx]

Hassan needs to give up he'll never be good.

[@pathocrat]

As much as people shit on Charlie Kirk, he came very well-prepared with his bullshit. I don't think most people appreciate how difficult it is to debate someone like that. Sam Seder did a great job and it took him a long time to carefully corner Charlie on the conservative answer to the financial crisis after refuting many claims he made. The first gotcha moment came like a hour into the debate when he got Charlie to say lack of regulation was both the cause and solution to the crisis.

[@iang7244]

@@lucianraphael9527 People keep saying this like Destiny tries to find the dumbest person on /pol to debate. It's literally an open invite. I havent seen an instance where he has ran from a debate. If you can show me one though, I'll change my mind. Metokur didnt even make him look like an idiot. Metokur made an analogy between a border wall and the front door to your house lol. He completely misrepresented Destinys point about aiding trying to help Mexico into some weird strawman about "bombing the shit out of Mexico". I will admit that Destiny made some poor arguments for affirmative action, but it ain't like all of Metokurs arguments were air tight.

[@lucianraphael9527]

Ian G Destiny in that argument literally supported nation building and bombing runs over Mexico. He legitimately looked out of his depth Meanwhile the door to your house analogy wasn’t air tight, it was still valid. All nations should have adequate border security. Just because there are other ways around the system doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t attempt to improve the system. Ben shapiros debates are also open. Anyone who feels up to debate him, is free to debate. Yet he still debates retarded college kids most of the time. So no, the “open invite” argument isn’t particularly valid considering most of the people destiny brings on to debate are ill prepared or just downright retards. He even won 1v5 debates which shows exactly how stupid destinys opponents are. There was even another time where destiny had a debate with a guy on the Middle East and middle eastern politics and destiny ended up getting completely destroyed to the point where he had to resort to opinion based arguments with 0 information to back them up. Call me when destiny starts actually debating competent people, on the right AND left.

[@iang7244]

@@lucianraphael9527 Bombing runs over Mexican drug cartels. Dont just leave details out like that. It seems like semantics, but that is actually pretty important that we make the distinction. Destiny's proposition was extreme, but atleast he understands that a wall isnt going to resolve the issue. Legal immigration will still be an unreleastic option for people trying to immigrate to the country with the ridiculous wait times and present dangers in their country. Also, people from Mexico wouldnt be immigrating like they are if their country was stable. That's one of the reasons Destiny wanted to invest in Mexico in the first place. Not only would it massively reduce immigration but if Mexico is doing well, America will see the benefits as well. Personally, I would prefer a permanent fix, or an attempt at a permanent fix rather than trying to put a bandaid on an issue like this. Shapiro debates dumb college kids all the time because he frequently speaks on college campuses. I'm not sure what you want me to say here. Similar to how most of the people on the internet have poor arguments for their positions. Also, the open invite is completely valid UNLESS you are declining debates. If you can show me am instance where Destiny just declined a debate for some superficial reason, I'll shift my perspective on this issue. Yeah he was out of his pay grade when it came to Ryan Dawson. I'll give you that. But atleast he had the conversation. Also, what about his debates with Exskillsme, Irishladdie, Nick Fuentes, Lauren Southern (yeah I know, but she literally wrote a book on an issue that Desriny was debating her on, so it's not like she is your typical e-debater) James Allsup, Alternative Hypothesis? (They only talked for like 12 mins and this was in the middle of a doglile). Like hes debated competent people. I dont agree with their conclusions and they do have problems with their arguments, but they arent brain dead like NO BS and JonTron.

[@ChichiNaka]

Did he watch the kirk/sam seder one? I'd be interested in that as background noise if I can find it on his twitch

[@claritybluee]

www.twitch.tv/videos/325855274 a little over 2 hours into this

[@ChichiNaka]

Aw thanks, I really appreciate it

[@phiwokuhleqwabe2097]

43:39 Zimbabwes economy fell because of UK sanctions, how does Charlie Dork not know this.

[@HarperSanchez]

Wow, how fucking convenient for Zimbabwe that it can’t take responsibility for its own failed state.

[@phiwokuhleqwabe2097]

@@HarperSanchez what's convenient is that third world countries are apparently 'independent' of their former rulers and they are supposably as 'sovereign'. However, everytime they do something the 'former' master state disapproves of, the 'former' imperial states destabilize the 'sovereign' country. Now that's convenient.

[@rightofleft6280]

@Harper don't you get it? Every non-white shithole country is a shithole because of white people, and every majority white country is great because of its non-white immigrants. Isn't it logical?

[@fullmetalsnowflake2508]

Right of Left Zimbabwe is an incredibly corrupt country, but how exactly are you gonna claim massive sanctions don’t have a big impact on an economy? That’s the whole point of them

[@phiwokuhleqwabe2097]

@@rightofleft6280 man you would be great at farming because you are really good at building strawmen. I don't think countries in bad situations are like that JUST because of white people. There are all types of factors that play into it. I mean Obama was black that didn't stop him from fucking up Libya. You're the fucking sjw here buddy, I did not make this about race, you did. Get your white victim complex out of here. Maybe then you will be more coherent in constructing an argument.

[@leogalvan8127]

Charlie wearing yeezys but they look like the sexofender 11s

[@Bigblunts613]

😂😂😂😂

[@glenkoko3649]

Have we done it bois? Have Destiny finaly become a socialist!?

[@MjoedDrikkar]

He will soon be a tankie, just wait Comrade.

[@AllthatremainsMV]

Socialist nimrods

[@206guy5]

I suggest going to Cuba or North Korea is the best option because sorry to break it you, the Nordic countries are free market and freed trade economies.

[@206guy5]

@Rehan Zainul Abdeen Lol muh Denmark, muh Sweden, muh I wish these were socialist countries so I can provide a better arguement about socialsm.

[@Idk-ks9mg]

fucking commies jesus it's cringe seeing people unironically supporting that shit

[@neverknowsbest1717]

I got an ad for the Trump wall petition lol

[@jeffc5974]

Playing a video game while listening to a video of someone playing a video game while listening to a video.

[@bronzee548]

The index for healthcare in a country is infant mortality rate, USA is pretty bad, even Slovenia ,Bosnia ,Latvia doing better than USA. Actually CUBA is doing better in healthcare than USA. We were studying how they were able to do it.

[@MalcH]

Bronzee cubas healthcare system is outstanding considering how wildly their economy has been stifled and crippled by sanctions. They also have had a vaccine for lung cancer available to the public since 2011.

[@wutangzak]

The moderator sucked at doing his job which was.......moderating.

[@Ayble]

I'm on a diet.

[@thefivespokewheels]

okay this is epic

[@rozzo8639]

I was thinking about watching the rest of the politicon debates but if there's a destiny commentary of them I'd rather watch that. Does anyone who watches the stream know if he did a commentary of the others?

[@rozzo8639]

Ok awesome. Hopefully they get posted to youtube

[@psyjax2]

I didn't have high expectations of Hasan but I was surprised by him. He did quite well.

[@KategariYami]

Wow Destiny got [insert verb]ed in this debate.

[@Rikifat]

gnomed

[@challengedperson610]

@@Rikifat gnomeded?

[@luk4hoplite157]

@@challengedperson610 gnomededed?

[@KategariYami]

gnomedededed.

[@CrisjoseCruz]

Please bring back your skeptic debates

[@phiwokuhleqwabe2097]

I wish he would too but they called the fbi on him so it seems like too much of a risk

[@Zelmarked]

The "I augree with that" at 48:19 is a clip from here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/f4SaYnh6dtyLZ9E The progressive voice must have added that in his stream. Also freedom toons is probably some content you could pick apart for content.

[@haydenb5258]

I think libertarians forget that most corporations don't have to compete with anyone because they are either so well known and established, or hold a regional monopoly. Charlie Kirk is dumb.

[@politicaltroll8920]

Kirk got thrashed even worse by Sam Seder last night

[@vallokius886]

Thanks I hate it

[@chronicfilms101]

what modpack is steven "destiny" bonnell the second using in this debate?

[@axlglenn2156]

painful to watch...

[@chandler7493]

I really don't understand why I hear people laud formal debates. 90% of formal debates I listen to are A) the deluge of impossible-to-coherently-respond-to points like Destiny mentioned toward the beginning or B) arguing over the semantics and/or specifics of the motion to win. The only reason I go to listen to a formal debate is to hear a particular person to speak about a subject; the actual debating as like an exchange of ideas and arguments is consistently hollow.

[@chandler7493]

OK right after I said this it became clear to me this is not really a formal debate

[@TheAwesomoe]

Sawing off my legs sounds more enjoyable than watching that debate. For once, I‘m not going to be self-destructive. :)

[@hgoggs]

you were right to say marxism is an analysis of capitalism but a major part of that is that a revolution is inevitable because of the contradictions within capitalism.

[@lawso3798]

Generic algorithm comment

[@kleptopolarbear1609]

I doubt Destiny would read this...But Kirks debate with Sam Seader was alot better. Sam was able to reel in Kirk and control the debate. He essentially forced Kirk to keep walking back on alot of his points and could never stay consistence on his argument

[@kleptopolarbear1609]

corporatism is capitalism...There is no real difference. Dont let him get away with that.

[@misssydnerella]

Agreed, but it was pretty obvious Sam would win going in. Hasan did better than I expected though, I hope he learns how to debate better the next time around

[@kleptopolarbear1609]

@@misssydnerella I mean your right on everything...The about debating is just because someone isnt good at debating, doesnt mean their views are wrong. Like Hasan was right in what he was talking about and he did do a good job for the most part. But yea some of his issues were debate related and Destiny did a good job pointing them out because he has alot of experience with doing so. Thats why we were happy when Sam was doing a debate because weve seen he has no issues debating and he knows what the hell hes talking about.

[@kleptopolarbear1609]

also did you notice hes used the exact same talking points he did against Seader. This guy is a robot with a talking script. when hes given something that isnt part of his script...he falls apart

[@kleptopolarbear1609]

also also...that moderator was shit

[@macaron3141592653]

Hassan's point about the VA and Destiny yelling "NOOOOO" gave me goosebumps. (17:39) 16:05 scared the fuck out of me

[@Nielint]

Destiny needs to put Crowder in the ground.

[@grahamwilton-emberson576]

So I looked up Cuba’s life expectancy as of 2016 (had a hard time believing it was 15 years lower) and it is actually higher than the United States so yeah I can’t think of a better way to prove the efficacy of socialism other than to look at how much the US has fucked with Cuba for like 50 years and compare that to the fact that their people actually live longer lives on average. Cuba 2016 Life Expectancy 79.74 Years United States 2016 Life expectancy 78.69 Years

[@justLiquidSky]

This dude Hasan? I love him now. The conservative dude was foaming at the mouth at some points.

[@cyrusmufc2914]

Can u please be their next year

[@tomboz777]

Dave Rubin cameo @ 48:21

[@DaneMorgan]

I'm a veteran and I'm terrified they are going to privatize my healthcare and I'm going to lose the exceptional care I receive at John J Pershing VAMC. I know numerous other veterans who share my concern.

[@Antiprogressivepraxis]

Destinay budday dawg stream with Brown Fabio mydewd?

[@1000aaronaaronaaron]

Destiny PLEASE react to Sam Seder talking to Charlie Kirk as well. Her told him like you do your guests and said they should both interrupt each other. It was well done

[@jacerox]

Hasan had some great points, but the dude needs to stop interrupting.

[@henria7393]

Jace Beveridge if you timed their speaking times Kirk spoke more than twice the length of Hassan yet you think he interrupted too much?

[@jacerox]

@@henria7393 It felt like it sometimes, you're probably right though.

[@camb546]

A free market includes the freedom to restrict others. It's not some anomaly. It's working as intended.

[@gurujot951]

This is one of the incremental steps to Idiocracy. It was completely unproductive. The moderator was useless. It was just a competition of doing sick burns and getting your supporters in the crowd to cheer. This is now how we consume political dialogue, and its only going to get worse.

[@vvieites001]

Hassan: “you sound like a politician” Charlie: “oh you mean saying facts” Me: 🤦🏻‍♀️right because politicians are known for spitting only facts and never lying 🤥 😂

[@hellraiser5671]

Can we get a conservatives vs socialism bingo card?

[@Switchplayar]

Destiny listens

[@barronstankus6220]

It's so frustrating that liberals keep falling into this trap to defend the merits of socialism and not make the arguments for social welfare and how it relates to the economy. You can have a welfare capitalist state in which citizens are taken care of and markets can be competitive. We need a true socialist or communist to run in an election so people can finally see how idiotic it is to call something like healthcare paid for by taxation or environmental regulations "socialist" and "communist".

[@doommafia]

Oof

[@jackskellingtonsora]

My aunt owns a small business and exploits the fuck out of her workers. I know this because of the way she talks about them. Paying them super low wages and very little regard for them.

[@SandmanJr90]

"corporatism is different than capitalism" Wow, its not like corporatism is by definition a consequence of large profitable capitalism or anything..

[@gobilygoop]

You can't say "that's corporatism not capitalism". Corporatism is capitalism, everything that kirk brought up until that point was corporatism, but he says its free market capitalism (which is something we don't, and never should have). Then when it comes to something that goes against his narrative he says "oh, but thats corporatism. I don't like that". Its such a weaselly thing to do. And then he goes on to gish gallop all the "socialist" states that the US has either sanctioned, embargoed, invaded, or funded revolutions in. Most of which were brutally genocidal movements that the republican lead US governments of the time helped cover up. "Where was the US interventions in Zimbabwe"? The US applied heavy sanctions, there were multiple assassination attempts against Robert Mugabe, and the US gave tacit consent for the UK to not only govern the apartheid state of Rhodesia, but the assassinations of ZANU and ZAL leaders. And that "florida became second in education" bullshit was slimy too. Florida was second in test score growth in 2018. They had the second highest increase in test score growth of 3.5% between 2017 and 2018. They're ranked at 21st in the country for overall education. And then his food stamps bullshit. Many of the people were dropped from SNAP because they no longer qualified. They didn't qualify because trump cut funding to the program. So just because they're no longer recieving SNAP doesn't mean they're making more money, and trump made changes so that it made it harder for new immigrants to get the benefits.

[@felixwinkler6450]

I think Hasan should have left the discussion the moment Kirk said the Nazis were socialists. At that point the debate is over. Overwhelming victory through brutal stupidity! If he doesn't even know what the Nazis were, he's lost all credibility as a political being. It's the one fact everybody knows about politics. If you get that wrong, you're out. It's over. You fucked up the first two minutes of the first lesson of Politics 101. You're not proficient to partake in debates. You demonstrated that you're utterly unqualified to even use words. Or sounds. It is questionable if you have the mental capability to breathe without outside help - and an obviously oxygen deprived brain hints at Kirk not having that capability. The level of record breaking idiocy will forever be pondered by future life forms and none will ever be able to explain this phenomenon of negative intelligence. Hasan should have just laughed for three minutes while unplugging the microphone and simply walked off the stage, hands up in the air in a victorious gesture.

[@macaron3141592653]

As for cities, most cities are liberal, all of the larger cities in the country are mostly democratic. Chicago is a massive global economic power house. New York is the LARGEST in the world. You can't compare them with cities like Anaheim, Florida, which is a small city in a much larger, much more Liberal metropolitan area. The cities argument is moronic; New York is not a very dangerous city. Neither is LA, Seattle, Boston, Denver, Vegas, San Diego,etc. etc. They're all pretty good to in that respect.

[@scooldrood]

1:14:45 Charlie "diaper boy" Kirk TRIGGERED by a SINGLE sentence.

[@camb546]

They need to have Peter joseph up there debating Charlie. Or maybe Chris hedges. Charlie would've left crying. They're the best in the world at this topic. I mean Peter trounced Stefan, and Stefan is like the #1 ancap. Although people would look him up and probably avoid debating him, just like the kulinski vs Coulter debate.

[@joshuamigel]

I'm dumb. Destiny why do I feel like you are that adventurer in a fantasy world that could make thing better but just won't do it because he doesn't want to. Why do i feel like you could make a difference.

[@adub4ever]

TYT should never be sending people to debates because TYT is a left wing echo chamber and they don’t engage in these type of debates on their channel. All they do at TYT is talk about how everyone should be more progressive, without ever really laying out the case with push back. As someone on the center-left we’d be much better off with people like Destiny who are experienced at the tactics needed to debate the Right.

[@miinus8972]

8:50 if someone pulls that on you just tell them they just said hella things and that you think you should focus on one thing for now and then choose his weakest argument. The points that didn't get discussed aren't worth anything at the end of the debate. That's what we learn in school in Germany xD

[@tris8001]

1:09:30 lol destinys like yeah this debate is cool and all but “real quick if I upgrade my sword is it gonna consume my kit?”

[@szirsp]

"Must take responsibility for failure" What was this too big to fail then?! Capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich.

[@totesMagotes83]

39:00: Whenever someone mentions Venezuela in a debate, instead of just letting the other guy have that point, I wish that the other guy would just go: "OK, let's talk about Venezuela before and after Chavez":... oil exports: up, poverty:down, murder rate down, child mortality rate: down, hunger: down, inflation: up (you can't win em all), GDP per capita: waaay up... www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/oct/04/venezuela-hugo-chavez-election-data

[@wfjhDUI]

1:02:05 When libertarians say stuff like this, are they pretending to be stupid or are they really oblivious to the history of the gilded age and the fact that the alternative to public regulation is the accumulation of unchecked and undemocratic private power? It's so weird to call yourself "libertarian" and talk about freedom so much when you want society to be de facto run by unaccountable private companies. "Corpratism" would be a more accurate name but I guess that doesn't have as good of PR.

[@angadgill91]

Good debate tips And Charlie goes fucking crazy at the end

[@DisturbingFacts7]

NOPE

[@SkeledroMan]

1:14:45 my god he really lost it

[@acheyawachtel9409]

The way Destiny didn't realize that this was Progressive Voice video and him being confused by some mysterious and disembodied voice is the second best part of this video.

[@OfficialTurtleCo]

What modpack is he playing?

[@hahahalol870]

Which minecraft mod is playing?

[@Sprite_525]

4:49 Destiny impersonating Bernie 😂

[@djon3043]

Destiny please go to politicon, Kyle was trash this year

[@mudsh4rk]

Ironically, the procedure that eventually became Lasik was mostly developed in the USSR in the 1970s.

[@simiolonga]

"Donald Trump is making the world a better place" Ah haha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha ahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahahaha hahahahahahaha aaaaa as ahahaha hahahahahahaha Jesus Christ

[@forxfilms]

so hassan has always been this bad at debating LOLOLOLOLOLO

[@LunaticThinker]

11:30 all the way to 14:50 *P U R E G O L D*

[@nonsenseiii]

asmr tuning forks

[@User71956]

I miss Heather Feather.

[@SpookyEggs]

Minecraft?? Nahnahnah O U R C R A F T

[@Hotshotter3000]

You know what. I have seen so many of these videos that I simply cannot articulate anything anymore. Largely because they have become nearly background noise to me at this point. I need to take a break from all of these and come back when I can take notes.

[@nr1skiller]

We in Sweden have a school choice in the one of the 290 municipalities we live in so yes we still have it and had it since 1992. 48:30

[@patriciaholmes3779]

I fucking love destiny

[@Omega172]

It's crazy how conservative rhetoric about how glorious and wonderful the free market is, sometimes gets creepily religious. They almost talk about the free market like its the force from star wars or something. Sometimes their devotion to it borders on zealous and fanatical.

[@biz7862]

The range on that pickaxe is insane 3:39

[@decadepasts]

Destiny's feeling that the large portion of Priorities USA's funding comes from large donors is 100% correct.