Porsche Cayenne Turbo S v Mercedes S63 AMG | evo DRAG BATTLE

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@MateNako
@MateNako 10 жыл бұрын
Well sorry, but that was a stupid test... ML63 vs. Cayenne Turbo S, fair enough but S63 vs. Panamera Turbo S would be more in place here...
@dedeco1200
@dedeco1200 10 жыл бұрын
I agree!
@BOtheLemur
@BOtheLemur 10 жыл бұрын
totally true
@rextetron
@rextetron 10 жыл бұрын
True that. They did a race against Ariel Atom with Panamera Turbo S, and by the numbers it's far quicker than the S63. So the winner after all is Porsche in this luxury car segment.
@vtr0104
@vtr0104 10 жыл бұрын
Indeed Sir. A like for you! Plus, it's not really fair saying the 4WD is a plus. That means there's more gearing between the engine crank and final power delivery to the wheels. On a rally stage where all you do is dash between corners it's all fine, but in a normal drag on tarmac you don't get the same benefit..
@MateNako
@MateNako 10 жыл бұрын
I have to agree that on the long way AWD is worse (except WRC stages xD), but for just simple light to light acceleration it is better ;D I'm mean 500m max races ;) But unfortunately guys from autocar, evo, mototrend etc. have really bad habit in choosing wrong cars for those comparisons/drag races...
@anotherone10
@anotherone10 10 жыл бұрын
I love the way the new S-Class looks, it just looks so nice and elegant with some super subtle hints of aggression with the AMG bodykit :)
@Dominuce
@Dominuce 10 жыл бұрын
torque is the key. horsepower shows your how far you get up there, and torque shows you how fast you get up there
@ryansaab1544
@ryansaab1544 10 жыл бұрын
the cayenne was supposed to win, the torque and hp ratio are equal which gives it maximum advantage...
@ImDembe
@ImDembe 10 жыл бұрын
Said the diesel and lost :(
@Dominuce
@Dominuce 10 жыл бұрын
Brunlera i have a 1.5jz sc300 on pump i make 505rwp and 490 ish ft/tq my buddy has the same car with a regular 1jz with 2.5 liters. with same turbo setup makes 500rwp and 390 ish ft/tq and I win 95% of our races. Horsepower sell cars, Torque wins races
@dreray4077
@dreray4077 10 жыл бұрын
Okay, So a 700Bhp car with 400Lb Ft will lose to a 500Bhp car with 600LB Tq? lol Yeah right, Torque is only part of it.
@RobertWebbWEB2B
@RobertWebbWEB2B 10 жыл бұрын
I think all the haters are missing the point. The so called 'experts' that claimed they knew the outcome ...still clicked. If you knew the answer then you didn't need to click. Just because the outcome was obvious to most, doesn't make it a rubbish video. We were all slightly intrigued - hence the click. And yes, the cars are a show of profligacy, but they intend to divide opinions and that's a good thing. It makes them interesting. Interesting is GOOD. Interesting is better than mediocrity. Not everything has to have a 'point'. Pointless is a non-comment. The world needs MORE interesting things that divide opinion. I would buy neither even if I had the money... but is interesting watching and reading the comments;-)
@gamerguy348
@gamerguy348 10 жыл бұрын
The S63 is just gorgeous. The Cayenne is still a good car, but I like the S63 more.
@GiveMeABloodyUser
@GiveMeABloodyUser 10 жыл бұрын
its more expensive too
@gamerguy348
@gamerguy348 10 жыл бұрын
givemeabloodyuser gv True, but both will become affordable in a few years.
@raphymartinez
@raphymartinez 10 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see S63 vs Panamoomoo turbo S
@ryansaab1544
@ryansaab1544 10 жыл бұрын
panamera turbo s is too fast for the s63
@javor9111
@javor9111 10 жыл бұрын
Tha Panamera Turbo S will demolish the merc!!!
@youngdrug5927
@youngdrug5927 10 жыл бұрын
Actually its should be E 63 S AMG VS panamera turbo s
@Elmir511
@Elmir511 10 жыл бұрын
Panamera is too slow for Merc ((
@naels91
@naels91 10 жыл бұрын
ryan saab hmmm, NO!!
@kilove1
@kilove1 10 жыл бұрын
now this one was pointless.. you guys could have put the merc- ML63 AMG vs the cayenne turbo S ..not the S 63 sedan ...now that would have been a better fight..
@iviiroglu
@iviiroglu 10 жыл бұрын
s-class is the ultimative BOSS car especially if its amg or brabus
@banddude121
@banddude121 10 жыл бұрын
Do people not understand that the purpose of these is take cars from 2 different classes and to see how they do?
@MacVSog64-72
@MacVSog64-72 6 жыл бұрын
The Benz did not impress me at all! Respect to the Cayenne Turbo S!
@nabilhamid7746
@nabilhamid7746 10 жыл бұрын
Great video thank you I love drag races Please keep posting this kind of videos
@MrGabrielPeterson
@MrGabrielPeterson 10 жыл бұрын
Why does not it surprise me? Both cars are overkill in the US. We have 75 mph speed limit. But no one can take away the fun of acceleration of 550 horse car. It fishtails at 60-70 mph. It is an ultimate thrill. Thank you for the video!
@26lumma
@26lumma 9 жыл бұрын
s63 amaizing car but this battle was unfear. they should put, cars like: Audi S8, BMW 7 series M, or maybe porshe panamera turbo S, but not SUV Cayanne.
@PorscheCayenneLover
@PorscheCayenneLover 10 жыл бұрын
Even with the S63 being the monster that it is, I still prefer the Cayenne. The Cayenne is truly a beauty 😍 .
@delboy2596
@delboy2596 10 жыл бұрын
I've never heard anyone call a Cayenne a "true beauty" before.
@maoristereo
@maoristereo 10 жыл бұрын
Cayenne is hideous
@lifehacker123
@lifehacker123 10 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one around here who thinks that neither one of these cars should really exist? Yes I know it is quite exciting to have a racy version of a big everyday car but here is my problem: If I'd buy an S class, I'd buy it because it is really comfortable and a piece of pure luxury. Making a hard and sporty version of that kind of ruins the purpose of an S class for me. And as for the Cayenne: They put a really awesome motor into this thing but be honest. If you were to buy it you would constantly wonder how fast this car would really be if it was not unnecessarily huge and heavy. You'd just enjoy that engine way more in a smaller and lighter car, wouldn't you?
@rscars1948
@rscars1948 10 жыл бұрын
Nah, these cars are insane, and gearheads love insane!
@lifehacker123
@lifehacker123 10 жыл бұрын
RScars Well I love cars as well but I just think that they could be even more insane if they just were not so huge and heavy.
@MrTurboist
@MrTurboist 10 жыл бұрын
lifehacker123 These 2 cars exists for a very very great reasons and they are as follows below : S 63 AMG : A person who has a family or needs room for friends defiantly needs a salon car, And if that person was a gear head and wanted something very powerful and exciting and also is one of the best quality cars is defiantly going for the S-Class not forgetting it safety and technology. If that person by any means could afford an S 63 i am 75% sure he would have a sports coupe for his personal enjoyment. Cayenne Turbo S : This SUV is ridiculously amazing because as an SUV where you can beat numerous sports cars in drag race and still have the advantage of off roading and i am not saying it's the best off road car, But you still get out alive. And again a Porsche so heritage & quality is sublime. Cayenne is the biggest hit for Porsche & trust me they would laugh at anyone saying this is useless after seeing their sales figures ;)
@nabiln.6055
@nabiln.6055 10 жыл бұрын
Those cars are marketing products. They exist just to sell amg style pack, or cayenne diesel with a s pack. Porsche and mercedes press services will always put the extreme version in the light. Most of people will think that all cayenne and s class are v8 monsters, only petrolheads will see the differences. Marketers are liars..
@lifehacker123
@lifehacker123 10 жыл бұрын
***** Yes but still I think the sportiness of an AMG S class would kind of ruin the luxury experience for me personally. I get that sometimes it can be safer to have a fast car, but I wouldn't be too comfortable in such an S class. I want it to massage me because it has massaging seats and not because I can feel the bumps on the street since it has been fitted with stiffer shock absorbers. Just like someone above me already said: They are trying to be two cars at once and I don't think that it would make me personally happy. I have nothing against you if you like those cars but yeah. It is certainly a point of criticism for me.
@worldtravel101
@worldtravel101 10 жыл бұрын
the more powerful, expensive, lighter car wins
@TTyt2
@TTyt2 10 жыл бұрын
M63 AMG vs Cayenne Turbo S and S63 AMG vs Panamera Turbo S. Not what you done! Pointless Battle!
@ayrtonatif572
@ayrtonatif572 10 жыл бұрын
Gosh that S63 AMG is one hell of a ROCKET LIMO. I think i want it.
@autodelta93
@autodelta93 10 жыл бұрын
What about the s clas coupè AMG? I love it
@ayrtonatif572
@ayrtonatif572 10 жыл бұрын
Federico Cimolini That is a perfect car if you want to travel by road from country to another.
@J0lker
@J0lker 10 жыл бұрын
Federico Cimolini it would be a perfect car... if only the rear ;s Laguna coupe... wtf
@autodelta93
@autodelta93 10 жыл бұрын
J0lker Maybe it reminds a bit the laguna but I could live with that :) For me the s class coupè is the best stylish autonabahn monster. And if you can afford it you can also buy a speciale/gt3 for track an b roads.
@autodelta93
@autodelta93 10 жыл бұрын
J0lker Maybe it reminds a bit the laguna but I could live with that :) For me the s class coupè is the best stylish autonabahn monster. And if you can afford it you can also buy a speciale/gt3 for track an b roads.
@HouseOfPetrol
@HouseOfPetrol 10 жыл бұрын
People who say that this dragrace is nonsense,because its a s class amg and a cayenne turbo s,both very differet cars,but look at all they're drag battles,none of them seems to be right in some kinda way,but thats what they said at evo! They do just because they want to see whats faster,its cool to put 2 vert different cars together,and see what the outcome is :-) every petrolhead should just like everything that does a dragrace,whatever the cars,and that's the meaning of the drag battles video's! Grtz
@joshnegane4007
@joshnegane4007 10 жыл бұрын
Great video, I always wanted to see something absurd like this. But why keep switching from imperial to metric and vice verse?
@26lumma
@26lumma 9 жыл бұрын
Ok, a good start, NOW lets try with Porsche GT3 vs Mercedes GL AMG !!!!!
@Speednote10
@Speednote10 10 жыл бұрын
This is the perfect example of "cocking about" while still doing your job. - What do you want to do next week at work John? - I don't know Steve, we could just go to an airfield and drag race the least sporty car types on the planet. Ring up Merc and Porsche and see what they've got. - Yeah ok. Love it.
@Wositsch
@Wositsch 10 жыл бұрын
Well of course the Cayenne lost, it might have similair performance, but it has aerodynamic properties of a house. A fair comparison would be the S63 vs Panamera Turbo S.
@Macavellic
@Macavellic 10 жыл бұрын
You might as well race a Scania 730 hp V8, against a Ariel Atom 507 hp V8. Both V8s with lots of horsepower, but not really comparable are they? This is great for the noise, but completely nonsense.
@MrJPablo10
@MrJPablo10 8 жыл бұрын
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE?!?! You should compare an SUV with another SUV!!! And a Saloon with another Saloon!! The Cayenne Turbo S should be compared with an ML63 or an X5 M.
@LeshVarg
@LeshVarg 10 жыл бұрын
I like the S63 and its a great limo for 2-4 people. But for a family of 3-8, GL63 will be the sub for the S63 since the GL chassis is based from the S-Class. I like the Cayenne and its quick, but not as spacious as the GL.
@Marwenzonda
@Marwenzonda 10 жыл бұрын
i've been thinking about a decent battle between the 911 turbos S and the Jaguar F type coupé version given the fact that this issue hasn't been correctly dealt with with other car magazines, in fact they put face to face a simple 911 unturboed and that notorious jaguar ( the porsche won that battle) Thank u for the videos u uploaded especially the video quality
@24thMandark
@24thMandark 10 жыл бұрын
I'm disturbed by the lack of exhaust notes created by either car.
@DirtymaxxxL5P
@DirtymaxxxL5P 10 жыл бұрын
You guys should do this Cayenne vs GL63
@SammooFTW
@SammooFTW 10 жыл бұрын
Nice how it just went in!!
@UDPride
@UDPride 10 жыл бұрын
A sedan with more power and less weight beats an SUV with less power and more weight. In the annals of time, who woulda thunk it.
@douglascosta4050
@douglascosta4050 10 жыл бұрын
Good job .. fan from Saudi Arabia ..
@M3Conv
@M3Conv 10 жыл бұрын
Why is everone complaining, who cares if you don't like it or would rather see a Nissan Micra vs a Honda Jazz. I love seeing the mixed class runs on here, you will not see them anywhere else
@samharper5881
@samharper5881 10 жыл бұрын
I don't mind the apples vs oranges tests because they're still kinda fun but honestly you guys should be doing more like-for-like tests and even some same-brand stuff. (Merc SL65 vs SLS AMG GT?) Also let's get some three-way tests done. Huracan vs 650s vs 458 Speciale, please. :)
@connorbamber8001
@connorbamber8001 10 жыл бұрын
Love these two!
@ferrariscuderia4290
@ferrariscuderia4290 10 жыл бұрын
Both please!
@Karanevoix
@Karanevoix 10 жыл бұрын
All these drag battles have cars that aren't competing or even in the same class of car. I would rather watch individual reviews of both cars.
@sowetoboi
@sowetoboi 10 жыл бұрын
"cayenne is the peoples car" I laughed way to hard at that
@jessechen4971
@jessechen4971 10 жыл бұрын
sometimes it's fun to compare two cars that are completely diff. just dont take it too seriously
@92129cbell
@92129cbell 10 жыл бұрын
Why would you ever compare these vehicles. How about the Porsche Panamera Turbo as a challenger?
@MrLalasd
@MrLalasd 10 жыл бұрын
Because the Panamera turbo s will win.
@Driver_88
@Driver_88 10 жыл бұрын
why not against the Rs6?
@tayyebshabir177
@tayyebshabir177 7 жыл бұрын
Interesting race. Similar price bracket and with that view competitors.
@bryanthun
@bryanthun 10 жыл бұрын
There's no replacement for displacement ! love the S63 !
@PixelVogue
@PixelVogue 10 жыл бұрын
Was expecting the Merc to sit there and burn its tyres to shreds
@miksom96
@miksom96 10 жыл бұрын
Doesn't have a launch control system? If the merc pulls away with no wheel spin with your foot flat on the gas after building the revs with the brake engaged at the same time = launch control
@_dan_here_
@_dan_here_ 10 жыл бұрын
Ooooo shoes without socks. Very Bob Geldof
@southbeach09
@southbeach09 10 жыл бұрын
Car vs suv? EVO is beyond idiotic with some of their tests.
@f1errar1
@f1errar1 10 жыл бұрын
can someone tell me how does long wheelbase increase traction for S63 AMG ??
@bmwpowercn
@bmwpowercn 10 жыл бұрын
Why people thumps down this? No better video can be made.
@CefiroGuy3
@CefiroGuy3 10 жыл бұрын
Cayenne turbo s appeals too those young dads who want needs the practicality of a mid size SUV but wants to the feel & handling of a sports saloon when on a free open road...... Cayenne diesel s/turbo(s)/gts Range rover sport sdv8/supercharged ML 550 4matic / 63amg Hell, even the smaller audi SQ5 does it 4 us The x5 does not count. Driven the 2013 4.4 v8. Tho it handles well, it's lazy to give you it's power. Have never driven a jeep, much less the srt8 version....but I'd figure that would work in the lineup aswell Either way, opinion........ :p
@RichardJoashTan
@RichardJoashTan 10 жыл бұрын
does the S63 have AWD?
@harryc266
@harryc266 10 жыл бұрын
I don't understand you evo... Surely you'd put it against the pan turbo s or the merc m class amg
@k0pix
@k0pix 10 жыл бұрын
I would love to see the new S65 :D
@dnez3791
@dnez3791 10 жыл бұрын
Why would you put a truck against a car with way more bhp and torque...what was this challenge suppose to prove...even if they were both the exact same weight and power the car would win do to better aerodynamics.
@CJM44.41
@CJM44.41 10 жыл бұрын
S63 AMG vs Panamera Turbo S Executive please!
@engels1920
@engels1920 9 жыл бұрын
Why not with Panamera?
@J0lker
@J0lker 10 жыл бұрын
Music? pleeeease
@MrStlover99
@MrStlover99 10 жыл бұрын
Damn, they finally made the Cayenne fast. Time to put a bigger turbo on my STI
@manoharjishnu2009
@manoharjishnu2009 10 жыл бұрын
Is it just me or did someone thought that the Merc's V8 sounded like a Messerschmitt me 109!!!
@zrnza
@zrnza 10 жыл бұрын
if you'd bother to compare s63amg (with awd) with panamera turbo s, the comparison would make much more sense...
@karamhatem2619
@karamhatem2619 10 жыл бұрын
The 4 matic s63 mag would do a lot better, y didn't u guys use it?!
@darrenc12pdg123
@darrenc12pdg123 10 жыл бұрын
Even if you had money why would you buy a Cayenne turbo S to spend most of your time in a Petrol station
@idrift4wd
@idrift4wd 10 жыл бұрын
PLEASE PICK BETTER "DRAG BATTLES" IF YOU CAN'T, MESSAGE ME AND I WILL HELP YOU GUYS!
@integraf40
@integraf40 10 жыл бұрын
The whole point of these battles is to drag race vehicles in different categories/prices etc to make it interesting. So please stop your moaning about the predictable and boring alternative you would have pitted the other one against
@christianaugustin7047
@christianaugustin7047 10 жыл бұрын
Gosh... Who organizes these battles?? Really Evo?
@hojdasamoila3826
@hojdasamoila3826 10 жыл бұрын
I'd like Porsche Cayenne turbo S vs ML 63 AMG...Same class...
@rare6499
@rare6499 10 жыл бұрын
The s63 is epic. I am not sure why these two had to go head to head...but i guess its amusing.
@B0SS330
@B0SS330 10 жыл бұрын
Hehe, gives new meaning to the term drag race... looks like the Cayenne had more than it's fair share of "drag" to deal with..
@nothingtoseehere5760
@nothingtoseehere5760 2 жыл бұрын
Weird that you're comparing cars in completely different classes - why not compare an AMG G, M or GLK class?
@SwarthyRevolutions
@SwarthyRevolutions 10 жыл бұрын
Love these dags, but for god sake get some actual rivals, cars that are built to actually compete against each other in the market!
@jeroenrathe
@jeroenrathe 10 жыл бұрын
Why did they not share the 0-60 time of the 3-4 times cheaper Caterham? Sure looks like the 7 was faster for the first 5-6 seconds...
@youngprankster94
@youngprankster94 10 жыл бұрын
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL THAT MERC MERKED THE PORSCHE XD
@HexaSquirrel
@HexaSquirrel 10 жыл бұрын
Next week they compare the space shuttle to an aircraft carrier
@guzziiw
@guzziiw 10 жыл бұрын
What's the point of this drag race?
@dkitts
@dkitts 10 жыл бұрын
Why do I get the feeling that someone simply did not show up when you had the airstrip reserved and you had to make up something? SUV vs any sedan or coupe just means nothing, unless it's buddies in a grudge match.
@pol1250
@pol1250 10 жыл бұрын
Money gives you the right to buy big cars but shouldn't give you the right to pollute ten times more than the average!! These kind of cars are soo last century!!!! It is so disappointing that people still think that these are cool cars!!
@nivrin13
@nivrin13 10 жыл бұрын
music used?!
@MrPro56
@MrPro56 9 жыл бұрын
one is built solely for the road, the other is built for both on and off road purpose. maybe next time drag race in the mountains to make it even.
@mazdapremacy97
@mazdapremacy97 10 жыл бұрын
Since when do only brits get the good MErcs and we in Europe get that with 4 matic ?
@richfuckable
@richfuckable 8 жыл бұрын
the Rear wheel drive s63AMG is way ahead...imagine countries that only gets all wheel drive version of the s63 AMG
@scrustle
@scrustle 10 жыл бұрын
The noise of German V8s sometimes don't really come through very well on video. It sounds kind of farty and flappy. I guess it's just the mic quality on the stick-on cameras.
@gottliebdee263
@gottliebdee263 4 жыл бұрын
I'm an AMG driver and wouldn't have it any other way but in the real world the Cayenne is faster. In the UK the average speed is below 56mph, (yes I know there will be motorway mile eaters that get better from time to time), but the reality is that a lot of the driving is not above this speed. This was a stupid test.
@Bark820
@Bark820 10 жыл бұрын
you cant compare cars if they have same horsepower and weight.. Saloons and SUV are poles apart and Mercedes is best drag cutter in the business!
@26lumma
@26lumma 9 жыл бұрын
sedan luxury vs SUV?!? wtf?!?!
@hmjs13
@hmjs13 10 жыл бұрын
W222
@timobac1
@timobac1 10 жыл бұрын
4.1 for the Cayenne???? Holy crap
@deancostello14
@deancostello14 10 жыл бұрын
The Porsche didn't do too bad considering it has the same frontal area as a barn door.
@5nayan
@5nayan 10 жыл бұрын
m6 gran coupe vs cls63 or panamera turbo/gts
@johnnyr25
@johnnyr25 10 жыл бұрын
Not really a fair contest, guys. Anyhow, this might sound a little incredulous, but over 500 horsepower and over 600 pounds-feet of torque and 4.4 seconds to 60 is its best?
@Kr0nicridah
@Kr0nicridah 10 жыл бұрын
I challenge you to propel a 2.2 ton car to 60 in under four seconds. A car's 0-60 time depends a lot on weight - that's plain physics. The Mulsanne, for example, has 752 lb/ft of torque and over 500 hp, yet takes 5.1 seconds to reach 60 mph. More power and torque does not always mean faster acceleration, especially if weight is increased with power. 4.4 seconds to 60 for such a massive car is nothing short of astounding.
@Speednote10
@Speednote10 10 жыл бұрын
^^ what he said. And it's not exactly built and geared to be as fast as possible 0-60.. It's a powerful executive sedan, not a GT-R rival.
@StoriesWithAlex
@StoriesWithAlex 10 жыл бұрын
This car isn't meant for going fast and the car is more than two tons. 0-60 in 4.4 is mind blowingly fast for something this big and heavy. Let's not forget that in the early 2000's cars half this weight would do 0-60 in 4.4 and it would be amazing, only the best super cars got into the 3 second margin, so cool your jets dude.
@12389h
@12389h 10 жыл бұрын
You're saying that like it's slow.
@ImDembe
@ImDembe 10 жыл бұрын
If it was in a 911 that ammount of hp will do 0-60 in 3 seconds, now it's in a biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig saloon car so it's slower ofc...
@Chilischote100
@Chilischote100 10 жыл бұрын
I wish a Video with a Mercedes c63 AMG 507 Edition this car is soo awesome *__*
@MrRhaegar8
@MrRhaegar8 10 жыл бұрын
Sedan>SUV
@Geardos1
@Geardos1 10 жыл бұрын
not really fair the s63 weighs a lot less.. I'd rather see a battle vs panamera turbo
@xxthehuskycaboosexx
@xxthehuskycaboosexx 10 жыл бұрын
The Mercedes absolutely WRECKED the Porsche!
@wahabalmesfer3438
@wahabalmesfer3438 10 жыл бұрын
The s class competes with panamera turbo s and or S8 S 63 amg vs Panamera Turbo s
@TheCarxpert
@TheCarxpert 10 жыл бұрын
Prefer a Range Rover Sport or a Jaguar XJR thanks!
@mprziv
@mprziv 10 жыл бұрын
The lighter and more powerful car won a 1km drag race? No way!
@tony-xu9sx
@tony-xu9sx 10 жыл бұрын
id buy both of these when i win the ca lottery :)
@conranjoyce8204
@conranjoyce8204 10 жыл бұрын
so my dad is looking for a new car I'm trying to get him to buy a mercades c63 but he prefers the porsche panamera could anyone give their opinion ?
@Goncalopb
@Goncalopb 10 жыл бұрын
It's not like the outcome was surprising, now is it?... I mean, one's structure is like a boat and the other like the empire state building.
@Soulvex
@Soulvex 10 жыл бұрын
Funny that a 1990 Lotus Omega with about 377bhp from a 3.6L twin turbo is only 0.6s slower than that Merc from 0-100kp/h.
@umaralikha
@umaralikha 9 жыл бұрын
Soulware3D Funny that the Merc is a lot heavier and a lot more luxurious
@Soulvex
@Soulvex 9 жыл бұрын
Umar Khan no doubt, i was just referring to the age gap. the old Lotus is 25 years old now
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