Porsche Taycan fast charging at Tesla Supercharger v3

Will it take 800V?!
That's the big question, the second test of today after the v2.
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[@andreaszallmann9485]

You need to clean up that car ;-) Thanks for the video, very interesting…

[@electricfelix]

Not my car but I'll tell the owner ;-)

[@andreaszallmann9485]

@@electricfelix Finally a Taycan dirtier than mine…

[@abraxastulammo9940]

@@andreaszallmann9485 RSymons RSEV has the dirtiest Taycan ever!! (But it is only a wrap 😅)

[@honesty_-no9he]

@@electricfelix You should clean up as a gesture.

[@electricfelix]

@@honesty_-no9he I like the idea but there was hardly time available to do these charging sessions to begin with, had to rush back!

[@tronderikbrekke8792]

If I'm not mistaken, the reason you won't see higher charge speeds at these 400V chargers is the car actually has a built in transformer to transform the 400V into 800V, and you loose a bit of power during that transformation. It will only accept 150kW from the charger, and loose a bit of it while transforming it into 800V. And that's why you will not get 150kW.

[@JoeyDee86]

It’s not as much as you lose much with the transformer, it’s that the cars wiring is sized for 800v, so they need to limit it to prevent more current than the wiring is designed for.

[@tronderikbrekke8792]

@@JoeyDee86 Have you read the available information about the onboard converter? They double the voltage and half the current. And given that the chargers put out 300A at 500V to get to 150kW the car will not ask for that much. That's 1000V. The amps are not the issue. The converter will have converted the current before it goes into the battery. It's just the math with the doubling and all that's not doable.

[@dufonrafal]

It looks like the Taycan is limited to

[@leighpurnell5156]

The v3 supercharger cabinet only have a max of 450v. This is a hardware limit and will never change with software unfortunately (the cables will be rated at 1000v tho)

[@kenion2166]

time to wait for V4 haha

[@TassieEV]

Wonder then if the side you were on had issues since no Tesla's remained on that side, perhaps you would have got the full rate on the other side??? Nice to see the Kona charge as well, curious to see an Ioniq 28 charge there, mind you it MAY end up blocking potentially but just something that will have to be dealt with if you park near an end at least doing least amount of blocking.

[@johndoe1909]

its likely a limiation in the car. it wont accept the amperage needed at 400 volt. not enough cable area probably.

[@gsmb2bcom]

great! Thanks!

[@abraxastulammo9940]

Want battery saver charging with Taycan? Go to a SC. ;-)

[@Generation-E]

Yes, it's the (non) 800V situation It looks very curious to see a non Tesla charging at the SuC. But I did this with my BMW i3s in the past in Germany...But Felix, what about a cleaner interior space of the Taycan...? 😆

[@electricfelix]

Not my Taycan sir, not that that would make it cleaner instanstly, hahahaha but yeah I had it for a VERY short time, nothing I could do :>

[@EmborFrost]

Jesus Christ, I thought my car was dirty.

[@sandpine]

You mean the cable wouldn’t have reached the Kona’s charge port if I’m parked forward? Good to see you guys using the superchargers.

[@kenion2166]

correct its verry short cable

[@kinross24]

Absolute disgusting cleanliness of the inside of that Tycan.

[@electricfelix]

Well thank you kind sir!

[@Zetura]

Good job explaining the guys in the BMW, but still they won't go on the Superchargers xD In France, most of the Superchargers are not ready for others brands, the stall are often away from the parking and some brands have the plug on the wrong side. No problem with the Porsche Taycan of course. Too bad it's charging "slowly" compared to a Model 3 Long Range, but is it the stall or the car? About the V3, the superchargers are not 800v compatible if you check the informations on the stall.

[@alexhaddock4554]

UK Right Hand Drive Taycan’s will still get to hog two spots though 🤪 (DC on left). And 150kW is the max rate on Taycan on 400V with the 400V option added.

[@Matt.e_Black]

MANY supercharging stations in the US have been set up like this for a long time, so this is nothing new or special for “open” charging

[@electricfelix]

That shows that in the US open charging will also be a real possibility then :>

[@dutchcoastcustoms]

Free charging is not open charging.

[@joshualewis3337]

And here in the UK the CCS port on the Taycan is on the left side 😞

[@electricfelix]

Ouch :/

[@asaftzadok6647]

It is the onboard charger current limitations. Nothing to do with V3.

[@asaftzadok6647]

@timemachine_194 The cables of the Taycan do not support high current,, same goes with the onboard step up. There is nothing modern in 800V, just a shortcut.

[@marcusbiller867]

@timemachine_194 There is nothing "modern" about 800V... And a Tesla can do 250kW with 380V so there you go...

[@marcusbiller867]

@timemachine_194 No, "physics clearly" does not say 800V is far better. You have no idea, just another mor...on the internet.

[@marcusbiller867]

@timemachine_194 4* losses?! Where inside the car, on DC charging?! The difference between a Tesla charging om V3 and a Taycan on 800V is about 2(two) percent. And the internal losses in a Tesla are less than 1%🤦

[@JakesOnline]

Ha! Porche is not blocking physically, it's blocking electrically!

[@marcusbiller867]

5:21 How can you expect more if the system outputs 400V only....

[@johndoe1909]

it the car rhats limited. it needs better cabling to support higher amperage.

[@xMaFiaKinGz]

The charger can deliver 1000v DC and 425Amps

[@marcusbiller867]

Did you pay for the add-on to charge with 150kW on 400V when you purchased?

[@stevenday2067]

That was my thought 400V charging goes through the DC-DC converter, limited by whatever the car has onboard to convert it. Good thing he didn't have the 50kW base model or he'd be REALLY complaining.

[@marcusbiller867]

@@stevenday2067 not sure what you mean by 50kW base model. As I remember both 50kW and 150kW DC converters were optional extras, at least in Germany. I am sure most or a lot of the Taycans out there don't have the 150kW option ordered.

[@dufonrafal]

@@marcusbiller867 50kW standard, 150kW extra. But since the Taycan charge at 350A not 400A, it's limited to ~130kW.

[@motofan16]

Like the way the Kona did in the end.

[@rogerb8193]

its possible to charge two cars at the same time with one subscription at the SuC?

[@goetzingert]

Would be interesting when taycan throttles down, when charging with 400V

[@electricfelix]

indeed, unfortunately no time today for a full charge!

[@maartenoben6906]

At that stall you can plug in supercharger cables, One left and one right --> 400V left / 400V right= 800V?

[@scribklu]

No. The car wont let you have two open charge ports.

[@lorenzneuhaus5687]

The spec from the supercharger is showing max voltage of 1’000Vdc and a max current of 425A. So booster should not be active here. So 50kW / 150kW should not matter. So like normal for tesla I think we will see much higher charging charging after they collected some data

[@marcusbiller867]

No, max 450V comes out of a V3

[@lorenzneuhaus5687]

I remember that there was a sticker with the 1’000V on the stall directly but ok my 3 is anyway not charging at 800V 😜

[@TheOhamd]

What a messie car :-) 0.24€ is nice. Only in Netherland!?

[@electricfelix]

Right now yes. It will come to other countries but probably not at this price :>

[@winkcla]

Do you know whether that Tycan had the 50kW or 150kW 400V DC booster? (probably had the 150kW booster based on the results) Doesn't the car show the charge voltage or a message when it's using the booster? Seems a bit lame if it doesn't tell you the booster is limiting your charge

[@electricfelix]

Checking with the owner, he definitely got all charging options available at the time (so I'd think the 150kW booster) - but I've never seen what you're speaking about (I've driven two Taycan's only).

[@marcusbiller867]

I don't think it's the booster alone. The Taycan chargers slow on 50kW too. I think some part is lost in the converter, some goes for battery heating and some depends on the output of the V at that SOC%

[@TOSHIK420]

5:55 the column indicates a voltage of 1000v it is strange that the Porsche Taycan cannot get its 800V

[@electricfelix]

Yes I'm pretty sure that the charger could deliver 800V, yet it's not configged or outfitted to do so (at this point)

[@TOSHIK420]

@@electricfelix in another video, they said that Tesla employees were testing the Porsche and there was 250 kW there, but they were forbidden to shoot. kzbin.info/www/bejne/rnfOq2Ssott6Y9U

[@electricfelix]

@timemachine_194 I will. When I visited a v3 for the first time in 2020 I did check the cabinets and I do remember what you are speaking about, this location (Eemnes) though is far newer. So will be interesting to see if it's the same stuff still.

[@travelingteslastyle765]

So many Karens commenting, maybe he likes it dirty?!

[@electricfelix]

Thank yoU!!! Riding dirty!

[@scottw595]

Next they need to allow you to use vacuuming!

[@electricfelix]

Now that would be something right!!

[@juliahello6673]

$250,000 Superchargers placed between parking spots? If one out of ten thousand cars hits them they’ll still lose a lot of money.

[@sandpine]

I think most of that $$ is not in the stall but the ac/dc converter which is out of the way

[@leckers15]

I'll watch your video after you clean it! Lol...

[@electricfelix]

hahahahahaha

[@zeydallahoum]

Ioniq 5 would be surprising I guess. They have a special system

[@electricfelix]

Planning a visit when my buddy Hugo returns to NL with the IONIQ5! Could take some more weeks but it's coming :>

[@nailil5722]

That fiat Punto just chilling

[@electricfelix]

Who doesn't love free parking (quite special in NL nowadays) :>

[@MrShahramk61]

It might be the battery temperature

[@electricfelix]

Absolutely not. Far as allowed I raced it down to 6% SoC PLUS I did a v2 charging session (short) before arriving here.

[@joeyfaithful4497]

How can u have your car so dirty. 😭😭

[@electricfelix]

Not my car :>

[@honesty_-no9he]

The car is disgustingly filthy !!

[@electricfelix]

Well well well. Daily driver!

[@JakesOnline]

Kona needs a traffic cone so a Tesla doesn't park there

[@Wantobe123]

Was that an 1hr charge?

[@electricfelix]

Twenty minutes Phil!

[@Wantobe123]

@@electricfelix thanks for clarifying. How many miles do you get on a half charge? Thanks ahead

[@electricfelix]

@@Wantobe123 I think the owner did a record in summer of around 500km on a single charge - it doesn't really matter in my opinion because when you visit the right infrastructure (Fastned/IONITY) this one easily pumps around 50kWh or more in 15 minutes which is just nuts (see my BerlinChallenge video last year). If you push it on the German unlimited Autobahn you can still do 200km, 5min charge, another 100km full speed, and so on. That's what's important. you can stay moving FAST. Consumption is especially impressive the faster you go.

[@irekfilms]

Electric car does not have a plug it’s called a socket 😂😂😂

[@perlaursen1885]

The power supplyed to the car is limited by the lack of the grid expansion. Tesla can provide superchargers, but if the local grid isnt built out yet, that will limit you and Tesla owners as well. Tesla is ahead again as usual.

[@JeffyLube409]

you need a detail and wash lol

[@electricfelix]

Hahahah I'll make sure to tell the owner :>

[@PepeDeezNutz]

Lol

[@jackripper5240]

Dude! Please clean your car. 😅

[@electricfelix]

Not my car :>

[@willemvandoesselare7959]

Just a waiste of time . Ionity is King .

[@electricfelix]

Show me an IONITY station with a Tesla amount of stalls please!

[@willemvandoesselare7959]

I don't put time in non - competing technology .

[@EinzigfreierName]

Well, it's a test. If you look at "A better route planner" for example, there are so many HPCs in that area, I doubt many non-Tesla owners will charge at SuCs. Only "just for fun" maybe.

[@kenion2166]

Ionity is hot trash lmao, in most EU countries they are broken or dont deliever anything near the 150kw xd

[@EinzigfreierName]

@@kenion2166 You made this up, right ? :)