POSSESSED PowerStroke Flatbed? (Part 1: Drains Batteries OVERNIGHT!)

Another Ford PowerStroke Tow Truck with WEIRD electrical gremlins!
This 2014 F550 Flatbed apparently keeps all the accessories (Radio, Windows, Wipers etc.) energized ALL THE TIME, quickly DRAINING both big batteries overnight resulting in a NO-CRANK the next morning.
Customer tells me that the BCM and Ignition Switch were already replaced with no success.
Let's see why this Ford PowerStroke is POSSESSED, and if it will need any expensive parts to get back on the road...
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Ivan

[@lvsqcsl]

Those Ford trucks can be something to deal with, Ivan. I noticed you did jump to the passenger side battery; I have always been told to do that on those trucks and I have 2 of them. I disagree that you got everything working on the truck is a miracle; no, you knew exactly what you were doing. I had an issue with my Powerstroke recently. I got to work and worked all day, came back to my truck and it was a no crank, no start. (It wouldn't even click.) I called my mechanic and he told me the wires going to the cooling fan clutch had been chopped up by the fan after the plastic conduit broke and the body control module sensed an open in the circuit and was holding out the starter circuit. I asked if he had been drinking. What could a fan clutch circuit have to do with ANY of that? I got a ride home and went back with my Excursion and trailer and brought my truck home. I removed the fan shroud and those wires were ground up. I replaced the fan clutch and wiring and it started right up. GREAT VIDEO!

[@tallbrian100]

The thumbnail with the corn field made me think at first glance this was a Watch Wes work video.

[@DS-ss7vl]

This is better. imo

[@ricebike]

At least Wes was granted a shop build... Ivan area zoning board won't allow him to build out a proper pole barn to work on vehicles 😢

[@subzeromjc]

@@ricebike I cannot understand how that could be denied, its a barn for the horses and horsepower.

[@lvsqcsl]

He lives in Center County, Pennsylvania, and that is the county Penn State is in. He has stated that zoning laws preclude him from operating a business. I will have to say that area he lives in is absolutely breathtaking!

[@mattcat231]

​@@lvsqcslAnd Fallowfield Twsp in Washington County Pa is worse, you can't even sell used stuff on eBay without legally getting a permit

[@SlipFitGarage]

I'm not sure if it's a Ford thing, or if it's a problem with aftermarket truck up-fitter companies (and their typically shoddy wiring) .... but we have a couple of those newer Ford tow trucks that would just randomly turn all their lights on and off while parked in the storage yard at night. It could be several hours since anyone has been near the truck and the lights just randomly turn on and off. It's not just a quick flash, either... the lights turn on and stay on for several minutes before they turn back off. This happens with at least 2 or our Ford tow trucks that I know of. I've seen it myself. These trucks were purchased new and other than having the towing equipment installed, the trucks are 100% original. It's the interior and exterior lighting, but not the aftermarket emergency lighting. Only the original Ford lighting is doing this. It's weird.

[@topher8634]

Sounds like the BCM or the RCDLR (if it has it, not sure) is receiving a wakeup signal. It could be radio interference too. A signal simulating an unlock command from the key fob. Ivan can figure it out, I'm sure of it.

[@misterk7040]

The ghost of Henry Ford is probably the most likely cause. If someone says Found On the Road Dead, it will bring him out with a vengeance. 🤯

[@orcoastgreenman]

Older than this, back to 98, Fords have a known issue where if metal filings or ferrous debris get in the magnetic (Hall effect) sensors, that tell the truck someone has opened the door, they will think the doors are open even when they are closed. The solution is to spray wd40 in the lock all around the rotating latching plate and test, until you wash the debris out. Not sure if it was ever intermittent like this, but it was an easy fix for my 2 door after years of my overhead lamps not turning off. Not sure if it is anything like this that could be doing that with those trucks since you say outside lights are on too.

[@htownblue11]

These complex electrical issues always make me appreciate the level of skill Ivan has and the approach of his diagnostic process. Thanks for all the adventures Ivan.

[@TheBry_Guy]

I agree. But we also have to mention his fearlessness to dig in farther, tug that wire, undo that corroded connector, try to reprogram that module that we likely cannot UNDO.... There are fearless techs that can't, there are knowledgeable techs that cower away.. Now and again you get someone like Ivan who is both!

[@davidgrisco1939]

At the beginning I jumped to the conclusion that a new key switch was needed assuming drivers had heavy key chains damaging the switch. Looking forward to part 2.

[@ronhannink1968]

Ivan, I hope this helps. Anytime you install a new or used BCM for those super duties. You have to go into security and reset the parameters. That is a must. Otherwise you will not be able to program the keys. Now I use the Ford IDS. I have no idea your scanner has the ability. You might want to look into it. Under security/programming keys/reset parameters. I hope this helped Ron.

[@jeffmiller6100]

Can't wait for part 2 Sure it will be educational. And entertaining ❤

[@advancedleveldiagnostics]

Looking forward to part 2! You gotta get Forscan, the Licensed version that allows programming, is only $12 a year, and it pulls the asbuilt from Ford servers.

[@DJ-tn7vj]

Keep killing it bro. Thanks for the video

[@greggc8088]

Looking forward to part 2. Thanks

[@androidraytech4269]

The best channel I have found. Mesmerizing once I start watching. Thank you pine hallow!

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

Glad you enjoy it! 🙂

[@jrehtil1494]

You are getting there, keep up good work.

[@JoseSilveira-newhandleforYT]

Convoluted fault, Ivan! I went Mr. Obvious, going for the key switch, but you soon showed it was a something else. Maybe with a different scanner you can access PATS. Curious about Part 2 :-)

[@davidturner4639]

The original problem, I believe, was caused by the bad battery..... The parts cannon just added another layer of issues. A good battery and restoration back to original parts is in order for this one.

[@JessClearyAutoRepairLLC]

Ohhhh this is going to be a good one, going to pop some popcorn and enjoy part 2!!! You say they replaced that bcm to try to fix the accessories staying on? Aftermaket junk backfeeding on one of those 2 fuses? Best video i've seen in a while!

[@goodtimejohnny8972]

I had one with a wiring connector heavily corroded. It would latch the internal relay of the bcm turning it on intermittently. Customer could not shut their vehicle off unless they pulled off battery ground. When ground cable was reconnected bcm would intermittently turn on lights thus killing the battery overnight.

[@mikechiodetti4482]

Ya, upfitters can cause problems with the electricals in the vehicle. Sometimes an auxiliary battery is needed with a battery charging relay to separate the systems. On to part 2.

[@SAMSAM-zr3hs]

Thank you so much

[@topher8634]

369K miles. I wonder if it's original power train. I've seen GM and Ford trucks with a lot of miles. It all depends on how they are maintained. I've put a ton myself on GM and Ford vans doing HVAC service. I don't do a whole lot of mobile mechanic anymore.

[@LesReeves]

Had a similar problem with my Nissan Pulsar 2002 the tiny chip in the key head was faulty (had a really hard time finding someone to fix it the only auto sparky had retired but I got his number & he found a chip & fixed it saving me $ 5000 aud would have had to buy another vehicle.)Cheers Ivan looking forward to part 2.

[@mrblonde2013]

Try programming keys with a different tool, put a battery maintainer on it. Some scantools suck at doing PATS, they also need good steady battery voltage.

[@rustynail7866]

Wish you were closer. I have a 4500 Ram doing the same thing. Dealer has no idea.

[@craigthepony6259]

Built Ford Tough, yeah tough as fuck to work on

[@vpimike2646]

Try working on European cars.

[@calholli]

meh.. Not my 2002 F350 7.3L 6spd 4x4... This thing might as well be an old tractor. :) It's great

[@somerandomguy3868]

Ford hasn't made a decent ignition switch for forty years, almost bought one years ago between the sloppy ignition and the snap from the turn signal that was it for me, ended up purchasing a Nissan and have no regrets

[@calholli]

I would have liked to you try programming the key with the Xtool you have. They make a powerful locksmith scan tool and I think they have integrated it into most of their higher end scanners, because when others fail, the Xtool can still get it done usually.

[@jerrylarsen8329]

Years ago I had a Ford 1971 Torino that one night that had a dual filament lamp in the left rear light assembly short both filaments together. When I got home I turned off the ignition, removed the key, and the turn signals, wipers, and radio where still on. The shorted lamp was somehow back feeding power into the accessory system. Replaced the lamp and problem was fixed.

[@wyattoneable]

So much to think about. Which direction do you start? That's the part I learn from is seeing how you attack the issue.

[@world_still_spins]

I think if i ever get enough money to buy a new vehicle someday, I would rip out the bcm and replace all its functions with fuses, toggle switches, and relays.

[@bryans8895]

A worthwhile subscription with FORScan using your j2534 is a hugely worthwhile investment for fords. Immediate asbuilt programming of a ton of used modules, and tons of dealer level configurations and little tweaks. Also, key in switch is super common on 06+ fords and it’s usually ignored in my area. Customer never notices.

[@dickdelete]

We want more! 😆

[@carloserazo1286]

Thanks!

[@carloserazo1286]

just finish watching the hole thing thanks brother! another ghost love them

[@carloserazo1286]

Im going to take a guest and form a hypothesis, that's why they changed the first bcm and the second one was defective

[@michaelvtx1]

I love watching your videos thank you very much for your time. I cannot seem to find that website for the Ford Motorcraft build data to save my life by chance could you put a link? Appreciate it Michael Miller

[@trevorvanbremen4718]

Program the PATS with one of your OTHER scan tools... Furd has _issues_ with some scan tools that skip entering in a code to program a module.

[@truth4reel]

It could be due to your scanner. I have a Phoenix Smart that consistently failed to gain security access on the same vintage f250

[@MarzNet256]

A chime delete would be sweet on this one.

[@awakenotwoke1973]

I simply wouldn't buy a vehicle that makes all that noise.

[@rodneymiddleton9624]

The parts cannon once again

[@ricebike]

The owner has a long commute to Ivan so he may try to resolve something first 😢

[@robertprelewitz4511]

I'm thinking some buddy installing equipment with a welder without unhooking the battery's. Something got cooked.

[@AP9311]

It's called found on road dead lol. 😂😂 but sure is possessed lol. I belive that the TPiPM is not correct for that vehicle hence the bad comm codes etc? I'll wait til part 2!

[@hikerJohn]

Get the old BCM back . . . And there it is LOL

[@knowone6214]

I'm amazed that anything now days works with all the stinking computers built in to them.....especially Ford and GM

[@ricebike]

The downward spiral started around 2010 for All manufacturers... Built in planned obsolescence 😢

[@toddstanley7804]

Have you tried Forscan for Fords ?

[@PandaMan02]

with the original BCM, i would have tried copying and transferring to the new one and seeing if it started working better.

[@riaanlouw1874]

re the reprogramming, it wanted cetain basic conditions to be met. I can swear that needed the rear door ajar to be closed, as well as front hood open, to be closed. because an alarm will not set with those open.

[@Guillotines_For_Globalists]

Maybe the second battery has an isolation solenoid.

[@Garth2011]

It sure looks like this tow truck has been neglected of all vehicles. Usually, tow trucks and other service type vehicles are in top mechanical shape. This one is not from a cameras perspective. Conditions like this make diagnosis more difficult, thats for sure.

[@russellhltn1396]

Since things improve by going back to the original BCM, is the original PCM available?

[@jws3925]

You need to hire an attorney to look into why you are not allowed to build an outbuilding. I suspect they do not want a commercial endeavor where you live. Just don't tell them the usage. Pull the permit for an Ag building. Unless your neighbors complain whose to know or care? It looks like you are well out in the country. Keep your neighbors happy and all will be well. YOU NEED A SHOP, with lift, heat and water.

[@georgebell3964]

👍

[@johnmorrow1628]

Calling the fuse box. We had trucks not shut off becuase of bad fuse boxes

[@androidraytech4269]

Hello, can you tell me the exact model of your thinktool, I want to upgrade from my 906bt. Is topdon pheonix a good option or?

[@Mr2004MCSS]

He uses a Thinktool Pros.

[@androidraytech4269]

@@Mr2004MCSS I like it. Thank you.

[@Mr2004MCSS]

@@androidraytech4269 I have the same scanner and really like it. I've had mine for over two years.

[@David-mo4qt]

How do you like the ThinkTool vs Autel?

[@davidche554]

Thinktool is way better

[@ricebike]

If you're in within towing distance or drive distance to Ivan, definitely take your problematic vehicle to him! His diagnostic process is guaranteed and even outperforms some stealerships 😅 That's why this towing company is going all out of his state to get these problems fixed right - the first time

[@Don_Iocco]

What did we do when we didn’t have all these modules 😂

[@calholli]

Well my 2002 F350 has manual roll up windows, manual mirrors, manual seats, manual door locks, manual transmission, manual locking hubs, manual transfer case.. lol. and guess what, it all works over 20 years later. It's fantastic

[@billmalec]

Don't understand holding on to a crappy steering wheel cover all the time.

[@volvo09]

Yeah, seeing crappy steering wheel covers bugs me... There is a perfectly fine wheel under there!

[@ricebike]

Heavy use... Guess they can rotate the cover to maximize protection. Function over aesthetics for this 24/7 towing company

[@billmalec]

@@ricebike can't stand them when they're new. Nasty.

[@ricebike]

@@billmalec the naked OEM spongy steering wheels get chewed up on the FedEx vans that I drive if no cover is applied - GM or Ford or Chrysler...

[@billmalec]

@@ricebike I replaced the one on my Excursion with a sew -on cover. No slip. Real leather. Infinitely better.

[@jabjab12]

Ford cars just keep on giving you work.. 😂

[@robertaccorsini4663]

With all these modules on new cars you’re stuck as a DIY. You need an expensive scanner to do what used to be simple repairs.

[@neilmurphy845]

Why do they have the oil light in green instead of red so people would recognize it

[@dakotabedwell6829]

Must be Ford week

[@adamwhite9014]

Ok hear me out- if the truck wont "see" the key out. When provraming i would disconnect the battery to "turn it to off" and then see what it does 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@devttyUSB0]

Man, that Ford dinger. It's beyond annoying. :D

[@awakenotwoke1973]

It's ridiculous alright.

[@timramich]

Whoever wrote those codes in the programming. It's no wonder technology is going to crap. Doesn't know the difference between duel and dual.

[@mercedesvan-doors34]

Cant help but believe at least 75% of the electronics are completely unnecessary and simply added for deliberate complexity and to prevent customer repair.

[@aciddiver1978]

Maybe they should change car brand?

[@volvo09]

The thing has almost 400k miles on it.

[@ricebike]

Plus you stay domestic models for easy parts replacement. Don't go Japanese or German for towing business 😅 FedEx's and Amazon's choice of Mercedes sprinter cargo vans was a bad one... Parts more expensive because -german for example

[@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics]

They tried GM and Ram... and went back to Ford 😜

[@awakenotwoke1973]

​@@PineHollowAutoDiagnosticsThey probably RAN back to Ford...

[@SqualidsargeStudios]

Well that’s the issue with cars becoming more and more complex and more computerized.. people are getting lazier and lazier.

[@SHSPVR]

Gotta love new vehicles when they work when they don't there are huge money pit 🤣🤣 well Ford are no longer Built for Tough they're Ford Junk and same with Stellantis Vehicle is no exception neither.

[@awakenotwoke1973]

So what you're saying is they're like your written language skills...

[@SHSPVR]

@@awakenotwoke1973 If you don't like what I have to say you know where the door is feel free to used it as not everybody is good at language skills especially considering that I'm partially deaf.

[@larstell]

I'm buying a key fob but he didn't believe I could program it myself..🥹🫣