Possible Total War:Warhammer Factions Skaven Tactics

[@jeremiasastorga8399]

Has nobody tried throwing cheese at them?

[@jeremiasastorga8399]

Not racist if they aren't real!

[@arainndaley1392]

+Saruman The White that's what the skaven want you to believe. It would have to be offensive to be racist.

[@gunnblades]

I really hope they add Skaven. They were by far my favorite race back when I used to play. I subbed and hope you keep us updated!

[@hugovandyk9918]

Scaven sub factions will probably be based off the great clans. so you'll be a bit limited in troop choice until you unite( or enslave) the other clans.

[@dIRECTOR259]

Its actually not considered true that the hoplites just "pushed" each other... there probably wasn't any pushing at all.

[@makri870]

+1 for no eye cancer!

[@kirkcannon4704]

Nurgle must love these guys

[@honestkyn718]

Plauge monks my friend

[@rolandbjorn7982]

dont know if anyone gives a damn but if you guys are stoned like me during the covid times you can stream all of the new series on InstaFlixxer. Been binge watching with my gf during the lockdown xD

[@josephlewis347]

@Roland Bjorn Yea, been using InstaFlixxer for years myself :D

[@desperado3236]

Bots are so retarded sometimes that they reply with their garbage spam on things that have nothing to do with each other. Case in point, above.

[@charlesquintanilla1045]

Arch Warhammer I've never played warhammer but from your videos I've turned into a total Skaven fan-boy. I love horde armies and tactics.

[@Rikrockify]

same

[@garvielloken3929]

Just BINGE re playing, commenting and liking (after the hack) ..

[@Turbs89]

excellent video arch. look up some stuff on mongolian/hun/sarmatian battle tactics. some pretty damn impressive stuff. fun fact : the mongols were the first to incorporate creeping barrage tactics (artillery followed immediately by infantry/cavalry charges, basically WW1 without the poisonous gasses) they first used it against the hunarians and poles in order to make a river crossing where their cavalry dominant army was very susceptible to the crossbows of the hungarians and poles. they also used nurgle tactics too haha, biological warfare and psychological warfare, cutting enemy bodies up and shooting them over the walls causes mass fear and sickness. there's one instance genghis himself lit a bunch of bats on fire and sent them flying towards a walled city in order to cause fire and a breach. the mongols were nuts man.

[@yuripantyhose4973]

The Skaven would be the most beautiful army in Total War With all those special effects. Love watching artillery batteries in Shogun Total War 2 Fall of the samurai, now replace them With Lightning cannons, flamethrowers, grapeshot ratling guns, doom rockets etc it will be eye candy galore

[@ethanbadberry4333]

I startes to like Skaven when I first played Warhammer:Mark of Chaos

[@calumdeighton]

I like to hear more about Clan Moulder Arch

[@skedarblegarble]

Viewing in celebration of breaking 6k points of cuddly little mouse bois!

[@kanseiyamazaru435]

Well thanks to End Times a new Skaven spell has been unearthed, The Dreaded 13th Spell A.K.A. Curse Of The Horned Rat. It takes a pretty long damn time to wined up but once unleashed it turns a sizable amount of enemy troops into skaven!

[@jakobschoning7355]

Tyler Stalvey Well, lets forget those end times please :P

[@MrGhaundan]

Tyler Stalvey That spell was there before the end times, it's in the army book...or have they changed it?

[@littlet8198]

MrGhaundan no

[@rush4in]

I think I'm falling in love with the Skaven. 1. I love Rome. 2. I love rats and insects.

[@ArchYouTube]

The skaven are the most adorable creature on the horned rats good green earth!

[@davidodonovan1699]

Can't the doom wheel be stopped with a shield and spear wall? Like the way Roman soilders knelt down, ramming their shields into the ground, and let the enemy come to them. Just have the doom wheel roll relatively harmlessly over this shield wall. Hopefully the warp stones brief zoom over the kneeling soldiers heads, could possibly be past before serious side effects happen? I'm just guessing here.

[@343-penitentnarrator8]

Arch, why don't you do a series of videos focusing on the lore and usefulness of the various lores of magic for each race (since it has been confirmed that magic will be implemented in TWW and that it looks visually gratuitous). Might be a good way to carry on the series and explore the possible tactical opportunities that this new gameplay element provides? Also, when am I going to get my damned Daemons of Chaos lore video?! (You don't have to mention the Soul Grinder. In fact I would prefer it if you didn't )

[@rasmussalen3363]

Looking forward for the orcs and goblins videos :)

[@danni2746]

Look how you have grown arch.

[@OrthodoxGod]

I really hope there will be an expansion with playable skavens, I really wanna see Clan Pestilence and Moulder in action hehe

[@littlet8198]

OrthodoxGod HELL PIT ABOMINATIONNNNNNSSSSSSS!GFGNHFGUFGOGIHUEOINETOJHIOEIRNJH

[@OrthodoxGod]

DeadMeat Gaming I was already hyped, and Im still hyped. Nothing you say will hype me even more :D

[@littlet8198]

OrthodoxGod PLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGUUUUUUUUE FUUUUUUUUUUUURNAAAAAAAACEEEE!!!!!!gfrhfhuigferigiUFGUIERGETHJ

[@captainhindsight6994]

+DeadMeat Gaming excited? 😆

[@littlet8198]

alex cripps DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMWHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELF/JFRYYGIKLYLYU;LYKJGL.KHHLLGUHIIIY

[@sadwingsraging3044]

Said it before and I say it again. Arch must be Scandinavian for Willard.

[@Matmannen01]

The Skaven sound like such an interesting faction. Also the slaves sound really dynamic and interesting. I wonder though how the slaves retreating buffs could bbe implimented. I guess there are two possibilities: 1. When Slaves retreat friendlies (only skaven) within a certain radius get buffed morale for some time. But that feels abit dull and not really usefull. 2. When slaves retreat friendlies (only skaven) within a certain radius get buffed attack and charge for some time. I thinks this makes the slaves more dynamic. You can send them in, wait for them to get killed, and when they retreat send in your now buffed other troops. That could be to OP though...

[@ArchYouTube]

Well it's not so much a buff as that the other skaven just don't care, and so don't have to take a test to see if they run also. While other races upon seeing there comrades flee they must take a leadership/morale test and if they fail they also run away.

[@Matmannen01]

Arch Warhammer So you mean that in total war the slaves would couse any morale problems for other skaven while routing, thus not contributing to a mass route. The only problem I feel is that, that seems to boring...

[@ArchYouTube]

***** It really depends on what CA wants to do with morale

[@captainhindsight6994]

+Matmannen01 in the tabletop game, slaves running only affects other slaves. I mean skaven are actually allowed to attack their slaves with magic or missiles to inflict damage to the enemy....only race who can do that I believe? that's how much they give a damn hahaha x

[@captainhindsight6994]

+alex cripps why the X? sorry lol

[@Gokkee]

Comment for the greater good 👌

[@Archon3960]

Could this tactic be recreated in TWW2 ? Because it seems-looks good-good ! :)

[@cnlbenmc]

To be fair the French probably didn't acquire their reputation for cowardice until after WWII. At which point they had been bled nearly dry in years of trench warfare in WWI, had their whole country overrun in mere weeks and had to almost totally rely upon foreigners to free them in WWII then had the humiliation of losing what was left of all their colonies in a series of brutal wars throughout the '50s and '60s capped off with a failed Military Coup by the professional part of the Army and were attempting to oust Charles De Gaul (the former WWII hero of the Free French Army and the President of the time). After all this shit happening in the course of 50 years would be exceptionally trying on most nations.

[@aeranthial439]

wouldn't skaven be at a great disadvantage against lizardman,woodelves,and high elves

[@trrebi981]

If and only if they managed to shoot down either all/or most of the dangerous flankers or break the front lines quickly. Failure to rapidly end the skaven front lines (which ur infantry should be able to do handily in all your named races except maybe not wood elves) is what allows them to do damage to ur more valuable troops.

[@Ranked_Journey]

I wonder, what would happen if two Skaven armies fought?

[@pandaparesseux2482]

+Jens Heika Simonsen (The Sniper) ratception !

[@narcisoferreira9976]

+Jens Heika Simonsen (The Sniper) i do believe they had a civil war raging for over hundred years

[@Ranked_Journey]

Narciso Ferreira They like ALWAYS fighting themselves it seems, though, I am wondering about two armies meeting...

[@narcisoferreira9976]

Jens Heika Simonsen my best guess a HUGE ASS meal for the winner

[@latayantheazran]

+Jens Heika Simonsen (The Sniper) it would probably be chaotic as hell, becasue they combine really shitty units with beasts and machines of mass killing. Just imagine thousands upon thousands of ratmen charging towards each other, most of wich would have little or none training, and getting shot by ratling guns, smashed by rat-ogers and other monsters, and horribly killed by all the poisonous stuff they throw at each other. Basically to huge meatshields to wear out the few really important units and protect the warmachines. Not a place where you'd like to be, im pretty sure. And as Narciso Ferreira said, a HUGE ASS meal for the survivors, i mean, winners.

[@daltonlyle7727]

If the skaven do not make it into the base game as some sort of playable faction do you think a modder will add them in?

[@OctoBooze]

+Poxxs cast I hope so. They were modded into Medieval 2 so no doubt a game even more suited for a Skaven mod will draw modders to it

[@Muck006]

+Izana is suffering Medieval 2 is a rather "limited" game in the graphics department, which made that rather easy. TW: Warhammer looks like it will have a hugely awesome campaign map ... which makes Skaven - who are underground most of the time - seem to be the hardest to add due to the need to add this additional level to the whole map. That being said ... I want Skaven in the game too.

[@OctoBooze]

You know Muck, somebody is going to add them as a separate army regardless and proxy the map effects. I'm still quite confident they will make a Skaven DLC considering how popular they are

[@GeekEnglish]

My Hochland army will crush the skaven

[@ArchYouTube]

HA! Hochland soldiers can barely even dress themselves! much less fight, i mean have you seen those colors! img.4plebs.org/boards/tg/image/1400/68/1400687256016.jpg horrible! ;)

[@GeekEnglish]

Arch Warhammer :O! We are the Gun of the Empire!! I love the green and red! I'm playing as Hochland in the med 2 mod atm I love em xD

[@ArchYouTube]

***** Hahaha well that just makes you crazy! :P what manner of unfashionable monkey leaves the house in such attire! insane people that's who XD Just you wait till CA finishes there game and i will teach you the error of your ways ;)

[@GeekEnglish]

Arch Warhammer Challenge accepted! perlahochlandbrewery.blox.pl/resource/handgunners2.jpg

[@Mateo-oq7ui]

Arch Warhammer No, no, no, no. My dear, the word for it is "FA-BU-LOUS!"

[@davidodonovan1699]

Can't the enemy army just ask the Skaven slaves to just walk between their front line squads to freedom, or to join them, to get revenge against their former slave masters?

[@thehillz726]

that is possible but unlikely, most factions fighting the skaven would just shoot on sight so to speak, and most skaven slaves would be to fearful of it being a trap to take it. that being said something like that did happen with the night goblins

[@davidodonovan1699]

@@thehillz726 I'm not expecting the orks or chaos to do this, but any tactical enemy that the slaves would see as having some hope being in...anything civil compared to being slaves under the Skaven. Aren't the Skaven slaves a melee combat unit in tabletop? Like any half decent crossbow group taking pot shots at the slave keepers, and offering the slaves freedom when they go down? Also, if the Skaven have enough slaves, they can send recon teams to see if a slave uprising might be possible. Apparently during WW2, a plan for an armed uprising in Auschwitz Nazi concentration camp was floated in England and a separate suicidal slave uprising happened in real life within the camp...until it was crush, but again, when I visited the now memorial/ museum camp years ago, it seemed like they where not planning on escaping and the movie about it definitely made it seem like a pure suicide rebellion by slaves that knew that they where to be wiped out soon regardless. Btu yes, Skaven might be too fearful to use their slaves as melee chaff in combat.

[@davidodonovan1699]

@@thehillz726 good points BTW. 👍

[@thehillz726]

@@davidodonovan1699 I completely agree that that is a sound move tactically. And I'd love to see that in a game like total war or warhammer table top. But there is the unfortunate fact that there is a lot of bigotry in the warhammer world and the skaven have done a lot to earn there's from the dwarves, elves and many human nations and lizard folk. The only factions that could be the mercenaries, human empire (with a remarkably open minded commander) and The warhammer equivalent of Japan. Possibly even the ogres. But there's still the likely possiblity that the skaven would turn on there savoirs. But I don't see why you couldn't make an army that has freed slave rats in it. And a game that had that would be great. Additionaly the evil factions like dark elves, chaos armies and chaos dwarves do trade with skaven and could buy there slaves which means they could be in there Armies or seen in the cities work forces. Also undead factions should have undead skaven in there armies bc that's what happens every time the undead fight the skaven. They just res the slain rats and send em back at them.

[@davidodonovan1699]

@@thehillz726 very good points. Great thinking. But I mean Skaven Slaves as in Slaves of the Skaven, that are not Skaven themselves, like humans, elves, and goblins.

[@stefankrunic116]

If you think quality is a lot better than quantity,think again,skaven can beat absolutely anyone.

[@Buzzy_Bland]

Stefan Krunic Yeah. People tend to flat-out overestimate the power of quality against quality in general ; it only works within a surprisingly small margin. In military terms an elite unit has a decent chance to fend off a lower-quality unit twice its size, but as the ratio gets bigger, the larger force's advantage goes up exponentially, as the smaller force just can't keep up with three or four people taking on one of their own, no matter how good they are.

[@stopmotiongarage220]

FOR THE EMPEROR!!!!!!!!

[@42pantelis]

why not simply use zombies, and take vampire lords, which are a lot more dependable?

[@Buzzy_Bland]

42pantelis Well, Skaven Slaves are even cheaper than Zombies, and Vampires don't have anything similar to the insanity of the Skaven war machines. Also, an undead army that loses a leader literally (and this is one of the few cases _literally_ actually means _literally_) starts falling apart on the spot, while the Skaven are going to react only marginally worse than any other mortal army that loses its leader. I mean, the armies are really just _different_. The Vampire Counts rely on magic and terrifying night creatures supported by cheap undead, whereas the Skaven rely on obscenely large hordes of the cheapest units around to hold the enemy in place while their specialist units deal the damage. (...And yes. I know this is 9 months old. I'm bored.)

[@brodieknight772]

what is that background music?

[@sceligator]

So what in Sigmar's name can actually beat a Skaven army?

[@ArchYouTube]

AOE is the key! heavy warmachines that can run of the skaven slaves revealing the soft juicy clan rats behind as the clan rats alone will really struggle to break lines of infantry. Also while those massive blocks of skavens are scary as all hell the real danger is the flankers, rat ogres and rat ninjas that will turn your flanks, they need to be stopped at any cost via light infantry, skirmishers or just try and bludgeon them with heavy cav.

[@hugovandyk9918]

sceligator Surprisingly it's the Skaven army itself. It's as likely to self destruct as it is to beating the enemy army.. Not to mention that Skaven moral is a fickle thing.

[@tomawesomeface5552]

+sceligator Grimgor Ironhide...

[@danni2746]

+Tom Awesomeface good one i really mean it good one

[@tomawesomeface5552]

Daniel Gardarsson thanks

[@V1k1ngm4dn3ss]

I know this might be a pain or perhaps you wouldn't know but could you do a tactics video for further factions, this was really good

[@ArchYouTube]

I could certainly do that, my biggest worry is the simple fact that i just don relay have a way of illustrating what i am talking about. But yeah i can give it a bash, maybe ill just put adds on them to try and scare people of!

[@Kassen777]

Man you very little about historical tactics. Macedonian big innovation was cavalry and pike. They use the basic hammer and anvil that every total war game is based on. Romans had more than a half dozen different versions of their armies before even getting into the Byzantines and their vaious innovations including the thematic army. Nomadic army and their feigned retreats etc etc. Reducing it to just guys running into each other is the equivalent of saying every warhammer faction is the same since they are just figures. Also World War 1 was NOT JUST INFANTRY LINES. Read a fricking book about how the Germans and Russians innovated and broke trench lines with infantry.