Possibly one of the worst Star Wars scenes...

[@CSIGrissom]

Morgan and Anakin literally had to hold back their fighting speed for Grandma Ahsoka

[@TonyStark-zt5fe]

@CSIGrissom Ahsoka literally looks so wide as well. I guess it’s canon that Ahsoka *really* likes to eat lol

[@alexcervantes6297]

@@TonyStark-zt5feyou look wide

[@mudkipzuzu]

@@TonyStark-zt5feIs she actually wide? Or were most TCW characters shown to be very narrow and lanky? It’s a similar matter to how Count Dooku’s head looks in that show compared to live action.

[@TonyStark-zt5fe]

@mudkipzuzu Yeah you could be right that due to TCW’s animation style she could’ve looked slimmer than intended. And tbf the actress they cast for young ahsoka didn’t look entirely like TCW Ahsoka, so you could be right

[@mudkipzuzu]

@@TonyStark-zt5fe Yeah it’s interesting because while I think Rosario Dawson looks more like Ahsoka face-wise than the actress for young Ahsoka, that actress’s body is more similar to animated Ahsoka than Rosario’s body is.

[@X_x_ShadowGaming_x_X]

Was she playing Beat Saber or did she forget that she: -Fought through the entire Clone Wars -Was trained by Anakin -Bested Darth Maul -Survived Order 66 -Set the foundation of the entire Rebellion -and fought Vader and lived to tell the tale?

[@AodhMori]

Making Ahsoka the reason for the rebellion is bland

[@Piesolesy]

​@@AodhMorii didn't watch show, did they really do that? Then what happens to things in Andor??

[@VulpesInculta-h2b]

@@Piesolesy I think he was referring to the end of the animated series

[@urDM2nite]

No…the hover bike chase in Boba Fett takes the cake by far.

[@Pinkorchid72]

😂

[@Ghlain]

Oh yea.. the power ranger scooter force... that was pretty painful to watch.

[@envrie9423]

Oh man I agree haha

[@artforgreatness2015]

Oh yes, by the power of the Power Ranger scooter team. *So embarrassing and bad,* don't forget the guy doing his spinning technique with his blaster in the Book of Boba Fett, another scene where its so stupid and bad. Or where the woman bonk something at a stormtrooper helmet in Obi-Wan Kenobi..... yeah that was bad.

[@australiancreepycrawlies6417]

I still can’t believe that. How many people did that have to go through to end up on the final product???😭😂

[@CnCW453]

In season 7, Ashoka was mocap by Lauren Mary Kim who is a phenomenal stuntwoman. The difference in physical skill is extreme.

[@DarthDevorin]

Remember Sabine's flamethrower and wrist launcher? Because the writers and directors of this episode clearly didn't.

[@kecksbelit3300]

I think the wrist launcher was already empty by now

[@CornyBum]

Mandalorian weapons are so versatile and powerful that writers often seem to corner themselves into facing questions like these by indulging in a moment when a weapon's capability is shown for some dramatic surprise. At least several moments in combat would've been quickly ended by actually using Sabine's weapons to their proper advantage.

[@_KaiTheGamer_]

Also pretty sure she has one of those shield projectors on her left gauntlet like Bo-Katan and Paz Vizla. That would've been handy (har har).

[@bernardliquete9292]

Heck, even Sabine's jetpack would come in handy when they were trying to board the Chimaera. It'd be like: oh no, Ahsoka is in trouble, better scoop her outta there and join Ezra on that Star Destroyer. 😂😂😂

[@DarthDevorin]

@@kecksbelit3300 A simple scene of her trying to use it and nothing happening would've sufficed.

[@Delicashilous]

Remember when anakin waited trillion years to wait for her to dismarm him? It's pure star wars Comedy, and really must laugh in a genuine way. This Scene is almost on the same Level.

[@wraith1701]

The scene felt extremely awkward; it literally had me cringing. It made me think of three cheerleaders performing their routine, only to realize at the last moment that they had each practiced a different set of moves.

[@GuniMoo]

Exactly my reaction too

[@wickdaline8668]

Why do the things that make other people cringe not bother me at all?

[@CrispedUp]

I like your pfp, you a fan of Wizards?

[@wraith1701]

Thanks. The movie is cool, but what I like MOST about it is the character design of NECRON-99/Peace. He’s iconically bad-ass. 🙂

[@idiocrat3744]

​@@wickdaline8668because people exaggerate their reactions while writing them.

[@KyleWallPuncher]

0:38 Ahsoka really said 😼

[@SpaghettiO_prime]

I didn’t hate this scene as much, but the only thing that bothered me was the Night troopers, not being chopped in half or at least a decapitation or 2 A little disappointing

[@xSharpW]

Yeah for some reason lightsabers in Disney don't act like lightsabers unless plot needs to happen. They act like bats instead. In Kenobi it's really stupid when he is basically giving the storm troopers in Leia's holding room 2 quick taps not even leaving burn marks. And then here with the night troopers it was also just...it's just not great, it'd be so good if they had things work how lightsabers are supposed to but yeah...

[@FrenchieArma3]

Yeah like it would be more horrifying if you had dismembered stormtroopers crawling towards them trying to kill them.

[@DaveMaguire]

I agree I barley saw any cuts to the armor that looked fatal. If Cal Kestis attended, there would be no survivors cause he would've thrusted his saber into every chest he saw.

[@thsxi]

All that there was was shallow cuts to the armour, which are less lethal than what happened to Sabine

[@matthewoconnell1490]

Fuck yea! That is some straight bullshit. You cant deny it...

[@NickKrav]

My sweet summer child... Here comes "The power of manyyyyyyy"

[@bobbybrown1258]

Andor>>>>Acolyte>>Ashoka

[@Ace85205]

@@bobbybrown1258 I don't like ahsoka, but acolyte is on such another level of bad...

[@bobbybrown1258]

@@Ace85205 it's really not. Acolyte tells a coherent story with fairly consistent rules. Ashokas ship gets blasted for 5 minutes without a scratch one episode and then in another because it's serves the plot gets taken out by a tie fighter in one run. Ashoka runs across an open field full of turbo laser fire etc. Star wars theory just didn't whip up his drones to hate Ashoka but it's objectively more nonsensical than acolyte.

[@chrxs61632]

@@bobbybrown1258😂😂😂😂😂

[@tienluong9648]

@@chrxs61632at least he still has Andor on top list. Unlike some fangays I know…

[@Severian1]

The fights in the show feel choreographed. They don't feel like people trying to murder each other. There's no urgency, there's no weight, there's no intensity. The prequels have shit dialogue but Anakin wanted to split Kenobi in two on mustafar and you knew it. You felt his hatred, you saw his speed, you knew his skill just from looking at him fight. Here everything feels slow.

[@kinglift5611]

Preach 😂😂.

[@Davross]

I think the prequels went too far in the other direction. Over choreographed to the point it looked like a dance scene with glow sticks.

[@andrewli6606]

The part where Anakin and Obi-Wan were just twirling their lightsabers definitely didn’t look choreographed. What are you talking about?

[@LilacSreya]

@@Davross Prequels choreography is inspired by old school Eastern Martial Arts movies which always had this type of “over-choreographed” gymnastics fighting which doesn’t look “real” (example Jackie Chan movies). Combined with the enhanced senses of space wizards with who can see the future, this is what it would technically look like.

[@tastethecock5203]

@@Davross Dancing and martial arts are linked. Both require high skill, stamina and control over your body. You would be surprising how many of martial artists irl have dancing background of some sort. Calling fight scene a dance is a compliment, not an insult because of how physically demanding it is.

[@mrcyberslayer6095]

As soon as I saw them standing like that. I thought “bro this is like those really bad scenes in cheap movies”

[@Belisarius536]

It made me think of the video with the two French farmers fighting with sticks and someone edited in lightsabers.

[@TheJadedJames]

Part of me feels like if Ahsoka was an animated series instead it would have been the most bad ass thing ever, but they failed to capture lightning in a bottle bringing these characters to live action. The show has its moments, but it falls behind its predecessors

[@moneybaglifts1944]

That’s what I was thinking

[@MahiMahi-yu5jo]

Yes. I would have prefered them taking the animated route...

[@StrykeSZN]

EXACTLY! that’s what I have been saying, fights would look so much better

[@TheJadedJames]

@@StrykeSZN Remember Ahsoka vs Maul? Remember Ahsoka’s utterly bad ass decapitation of that dude in Tales of the Jedi? We could have been getting hype **** like that every week!

[@General_Klytus]

Agreed it should have simply been a new Animated Season of Rebels and Nobody would have Complained

[@owensanfordstuff]

All the light saber battles in ahsoka were so bland. They'd just walk around each other, thinking about fighting

[@deedee2455]

For me the difference is clear when Ashoka vs Morgan. Morgan actress' movement is fluid while Rosario looking so stiff.

[@anzuis7]

I think Rosario has potential. That fight was honestly one of her best. I think it has something to do with her “hair” tails which is y it makes it difficult but I’m sure they could have thought of something.

[@arc1419]

Maybe is more difficult for rosario with all that makeup

[@zackjl2777]

We also have to remember that Ahsoka is in her mid 40s she is not as powerful as she was in rebels and the last season of clone wars

[@Clairejart]

The fight scenes use stunt doubles.

[@JustSumGuy01]

Morgan's actress is the god daughter of Bruce Lee

[@nerva-]

There's been quite a bit of criticism of Rosario Dawson's un-Jedi-like physicality/athleticism in the series. Seems like she's not gifted in that respect and the production did a lousy job of covering for it with clever choreography and editing.

[@ChapMeifan]

I never understood how you can have a room full of armed troops against three people, only one with blasters, and the troopers take turns shooting at them so as not to give the good guys too much to block. Why don't all the Stormtroopers just open fire at once and obliterate them? It worked in the Clone Wars against Aayla Secura and other top-tier Jedi. Why wouldn't the Stormtroopers follow the same plan? After all, their leader is the most decorated combat strategist in the Galactic Empire.

[@gabrielchastain6091]

These stormtroopers are not trained in the art of killing Jedi like the clones were Clones were made to be ready to kill Jedi Not only this but not every Jedi is good at blocking blaster bolts Different Jedi is saber forms are better or worse at blocking blasts And multiple Jedi didn't even. Have time to know what was happening Aayla secura was shot in the back Plo koon was blown out of the sky Ki adi Mundi was confused as to why his buds suddenly just started shooting at him and he was having to worry with droids possibly attacking him from behind him That one Jedi got blown up on a speeder bike And you want to criticize this but this is a problem in all of star wars So many scenes where expert blaster users conveniently miss for plot reasons This isnt an Disney issue This is a star wars issue One scene that already comes to mind is Yoda and obi wan storming the ruined temple and multiple blaster bolts just conviently flying past Yoda and obi wan and some even being aimed at the lightsabers blades themselves

[@ChapMeifan]

Fair enough, but if Grand Admiral Thrawn was really the top-tier strategist he's made out to be wouldn't he have forseen that eventually Jedi would be engaged in combat and taught his Stormtroopers to fight them this way? I don't think it's fair to blame fans for inconsistencies in writing. This was an awfully filmed scene that could have been done so much better. That in itself is a Disney problem.@@gabrielchastain6091

[@thestrongestnerd4284]

Because plot armor always protects the good guys in these kind of things😅

[@thunt02]

It’s just a Star Wars thing

[@chadbrad8100]

That happened to Ashoka during Order 66 and she still escaped

[@hammer911tube]

Ahsoka is moving as she has an intercostal neuralgia

[@DaveMaguire]

I'm disappointed with Ahsoka's lack of speed and agility during her fights overall. However the duels against Morgan really had me engaged, both actors did a great job displaying skill and power (especially actress Diana Lee Inosanto). I liked the finale and how the show explored Ahsoka's guilt about Anakin and why she's deserving at a life of happiness. I loved when Ahsoka smiles it truly warmed my heart.

[@andrewj1754]

Ahsoka isn’t as young as she used to be…

[@uhagi6720]

The fight with Morgan looks cool, until you realize that there's no reason why Ashoka even should have fought against Morgan twice. Its like she forgets that she has force abilities that would make it so that Morgan wouldn't even be able to touch her. What's stopping Ashoka from flinging her away like she did to Shin? Or pushing her like we've seen Ezra do to the Night Troopers? She could probably rip the blade out of her hand and just end the fight immediately.

[@novustalks7525]

​@@uhagi6720because Morgan has powers too

[@christophernemeth421]

These fights might look better because a stunt woman probably played Ahsoka

[@Natee178]

@@uhagi6720mother talzin fought against mace window and held her own, nightsisters are very powerful especially when they are given the rebirth that Morgan was. You could literally say the same about any lightsaber fight ever, both characters are leveled up for their final fight and that’s why Ahsoka sent Sabine and Ezra away, Morgan was a much more formidable opponent once she got the power boost and the sword.

[@kashkinn]

Why couldn’t they get someone who actually looks like ahsoka and is more agile and hire a stunt double for all the flips she does in her signature fighting style

[@fraydizs7302]

One thing that i DO love about the scene is when sabine tries to deflect a blaster shot, misses, gets shot in the head, stumbles back, then flails for a bit. Had they focused more on that during the scene it could have been more salvagable.

[@isaackershnerART]

that would have been way better. I love how she realizes she has a blaster and basically goes f*** it, im shooting them

[@brodaline2124]

Yeah great show she’s quite literally invincible

[@royshavrick]

@@brodaline2124all live action Mandalorians on Disney+ shows seem pretty invincible except Paz rip legend

[@FlyingCircles]

Gotta love how if she didn't have Beskar she'd be fried. Gotta give credit to a stormtrooper with perfect aim (and a zombie trooper at that). But, you know, sometimes plot armor is literally physical armor. Just ask Mando. I personally want to believe that Beskar must have a "magnetism" effect on blaster bolts considering how nobody with Beskar ever takes a hit on the 50-80% body mass NOT covered in it.

[@piffpete420]

Her training in the ship before the scene looked a senior citizen doing morning water aerobics

[@lifeinjersey9846]

I think the problem was that Ahsoka was doing a lot of twirls in the same direction, like twirling both sabers forward and then backwards so it looked funny. Her deflections seemed loose, like look at Ezra he is blocking shots and keeping his stance tight and centered. Ahsoka in clone wars did the same thing, even with dual lightsabets one would deflect, then she'd have another block the next shot but she kept her stance tight and the sabers centered for maximum protection. The speed isn't the problem, its her stance its loose, not maximizing protection of dual sabers, its awkward

[@justinharvey7398]

They look like baseball hitters trying to gently punt a ball. Like, why are Ahsoka and Bo Katan pushing against the blasts?? They can just hold the lightsaber in the proper angle to deflect the bolt. There's no need to push it back.

[@davidcirovic8620]

ezra looks like a donkey in the shot aswell

[@ejtom7455]

Probably one of the most accurate comments. CW ahsoka doesnt do twirls coz it's irrelevant. Their stance and blocks have to be planned and accurate, not just randomly swinging without a purpose. Also CW ahsoka's gameplan wouldnt be just standing and waiting, she'd be charging towards you and do acrobatics.

[@tk-6967]

0:31 All of the complaints about lack of decapitation and limbs being cut off are really stupid. Do people seriously not understand how ratings work? Be happy that they did give us a decapitation at all given the restraints on such violence.

[@ridensroom6957]

But these are zombie troopers. I think that will get a pass with the censors here

[@tk-6967]

@@ridensroom6957 No, they were humans. They become zombies later

[@random135246]

its really weird because the action in all previous 7 episodes looked great - especially episodes 4 and 5. So its really confusing

[@crplegokid1268]

All had different directors to be fair

[@urDM2nite]

I wonder if Rosario was injured or something. It all started in that kata scene with the Anikin holo. She was so slow and rigid, unlike anything done before that.

[@darkwolf860]

​@@urDM2niteshe's always been choppy and lacking fluidity. This was just one of the worst cases. To be fair the anakin/ahsoka fight shows it really well. You can tell Hayden is fluid and is actively slowing down to account for her.

[@random135246]

@@urDM2nite I dont think so - I think it was the director. The staging of all the combat in the episode exceept for the duel was off

[@Mr.HeisenbergTheCook]

​@@random135246It was the same director who did the Mandalorian season 3 finale. That had it's own problems but the action was actually pretty good.

[@jeolban3287]

I literally laughed when I saw this scene. It looked like a school project lmao

[@thewalrus45]

Anyway the real reason why Lightsaber fights have been slower since TFA is very simple: The Props they've been using the LED light ones are bigger and heavier than the Allimnum/Carbon Fiber/Plastic rods they used in the PT, so it's harder on the actors and Cherographers (but easier on the VFX team)

[@thunt02]

Exactly, I’m hoping they will figure out something that still has a light up blade, but nowhere near as heavy, kind of like the base lit sabers you can buy online

[@vetarlittorf1807]

I still think they should bring back Nick Gillard to choreograph the fights. Also, the reason the sequel fights were so slow was because JJ Abrams hated the prequel choreography for being "dance-like." He apparently forgot that Jedi have precognition and heightened senses.

[@mikeschmidt4624]

Not entirely true. There are plenty of fan films and live choreo that use the same LED sabers and are still very fast and kinetic because these are people that have trained for a while. Ewan McGregor and Hayden Christensen still move great for being out of practice for nearly twenty years. Most of the stunt people look good; I especially think the actress for Morgan Elsbeth elevated the final duel because she was a stuntwoman. The actress for young Ahsoka looked great even though she had the same or maybe even less prep time as the main cast. The new sabers might be a bit heavier but the main problem is still time constraints and choreography.

[@jpcreativeimagery]

nah, they just suck. Disney sucks, the writers suck..all of it, maximum woke sucktitude.

[@mr.sidecomments9278]

"The Props they've been using the LED light ones are bigger and heavier than the Allimnum/Carbon Fiber/Plastic rods they used in the PT" So how do you explain Hayden and Ewan being able to recreate their ROTS moves in these series?

[@SwaggerLikeUz]

D+ cons: Too reliant on The Volume (creating a claustrophobic (boxed/linear feel), lifeless environment, which limits actors, choreography, action possibilities, filmmakers, directors, & writer's options) , no real sets shoot on real locations, and to add insult to injury, a (flawed 8 Episode season structure format) avg ep length 35 mins, etc. Only Andor wasn't handcuffed by D+ cause it didn't follow the typical flawed structure that every ambitious D+ series did. Andor opted for 12 Episodes, unlike other(Live action) series it opted for shooting on real locations, never relying on The Volume, & it was beneficial to the writers, actors, & directors overall. Imagine if Andor hypothetically opted for 8 short (35 mins) episodes instead of 12, whilst using the exact same script, but heavily relying on The Volume and not shooting on real locations & building actually real sets? It would of been a drastically different experience that would of been detrimental to the story, actors, directors, and writers. The issue is D+!

[@ChocolateAsian9000]

I really think her costume has something to do with her stiffness. Although the scene of her practicing with Anakin’s hologram has to be some of the most awkward movements I’ve ever seen

[@TonyStark-zt5fe]

@ChocolateAsian9000 Rosario also looked like she’d gained a bit of weight so that could’ve been it

[@OdaKa]

they should have made a better costume then

[@Strytax]

rosario can't do fight scenes and it shows, maybe that's why they got rid of one of the lightsabers, so she can have a better time with them. i don't think the actors train like before and direction team just do the fights to the actor's capabilities which is obviously very low for rosario since she's not an athletic person lol.

[@GiltleyRage]

I noticed that too. Her moves were clunky and wierd. It didn't look like she actively tries to deflrect blaster shots but she's practising parade performance.

[@Hippolestrian]

Rosario looks stiff in every combat scene. She doesn't move the lighsabers as fluidly as Ahsoka did in Season 7 of the clone wars or her Rebels appearance. She needs to have way more time spent just getting comfortable with lightsabers and swinging them around. A jedi master moves as if the blades are extensions of themselves, not like they are separate tools.

[@christianwinandy341]

Lets be real, Ahsoka, Sabine, or Ezra have NEVER cut an actual person in half. Only droids. I know this was due to them originating from a PG animated series so they COULDNT show that. However, this still canonically makes sense. I also dislike how people criticise this scene because they dont move. When in almost EVERY episode of Clone wars/ Rebels you have these "stand your ground" moments, where all the characters do is hold still and deflect blaster fire with their light sabers. Everything the characters do in this scene are things they've done before. that's jsut how they fight. How they;ve always fought. People who criticise this scene have no idea who these characters really are and have probably never watched the shows they originated from. everything they do in this scene is soo spot on and just perfect for them. PS. i also like how Ezra gets introduced. In his first fight scene all he does is do the things he used to do in Rebels. never actually strike the enemy with his light saber. he kept his fighting "pg" XD.. (only knocking people out, blasting them with their own blasters, etc) and that just felt soo true to how he use to be in rebels. Like.. we gotta take into consideration how these characters fought i nthe past. Ezra isnt gonna be chopping people in half anytime soon .. he's NEVER fought like that before.

[@sarahc2401]

So true

[@alaskayoung3413]

Rosario Dawson has to be the least athletic person I’ve ever seen fight in Star Wars. It was really mind blowing how slow it looked. And it came off clearly like it was rehearsed. They were already in the place for the next swing or block etc way before the other person was there.

[@Ms.Aquarelle]

It annoys me that people are now saying 'what ever happened to the choreography of the prequels' when the exact same people spent the whole of the 2000s and 2010s complaining that the prequels over-did choreography, and looked too planned out, saying it was like a dance sequence. Are we just going to pretend we don't remember that? Now that enough time has passed and newer things have come out, they romanticise the prequels and act like they weren't saying the exact same thing less than 10 years ago about the Maul fight. This is why I hope creatives stop trying to listen and pander to fandom cultures, not because they won't make mistakes, as all creatives do at some point in their career, but because the idea that fans know what they want and know better than the creators is false. When Sequel era kids are old enough I can't wait for 'What happened to throne room choreography?' It's the same pattern, no wonder George got fed up and stopped making new films. Many fans just don't care about consistency of perspective, it's just their knee-jerk reaction to something taken to the furthest extreme and the further people explain why they have a strong emotional reaction to something, the clearer it becomes how little they understood the source material, to begin with.

[@00-JT]

Exactly!!! People complained so damn much about the prequel trilogy having fake looking saber battles that they looked like a dance and it was to flashy and the moves made no sense. Its annoying this fandom is shit

[@DarthRive3]

People seem to forget as well that the prequels, were prequels. You know, where thousands of Jedi existed and had free time to actually train in combat properly? Unlike the OT Where Luke had like a year's worth of training or so, and Rey had even less in the sequels. Unless the character was trained by a prequel era duelist you're not going to get prequel level choreography lol. And people also seem to forget that in the prequels, we have the Obi-Wan vs Anakin spin off that was completely useless to the fight on Mustafar lol. The Throne Room choreography sucked too, you have that one guard getting hit by an invisible weapon lol. it's the same with lightsaber effectiveness. Original Trilogy had luke's saber bounce off metal pipes against Vader. Kenobi's saber bounces off stormtrooper armor. But fans cry "Why don't sabers cut through anything?" Because it already exists that sabers will not always 100% cut through an object.

[@Ale-dd3ek]

The problem Is that they tried to combine prequel spin with OT pacing Turns out It sucks

[@MrOiram46]

I think the people who complained about the prequels are like 40-60 years old now, and the people who praise the prequels and complain about the stuff now were growing up during the prequel era 😂

[@hapablap2088]

Too much choreography to no choreography at all. You seem to think people cant dislike both.

[@gloud_genn]

How are they able to make it look so cheap with such a huge budget. There is truly no talent left in lucasfilm

[@charleslaine]

0:16 Actually, Star Wars used to have 'meaning and depth'. Now it's just content for a failing streaming service.

[@Host.Of.Nightmares]

No it didn't

[@Mouse_Metal]

They are so unathletic, slow and clumsy they make Ramzan Kadyrov, the best accidental stand-up comedian, look like a ninja. LOL! There is absolutely no excuse for this when the prequels had so cool fight choreography and the actors trained hard to be crazy fast. Even for the animated glorified fanfic TCW there were skilled fighters used for motion capture for Maul and Ahwoka. Was it impossible to hire the same people for Ahwoka show?

[@KenobiStark1]

The Qui-Gon/Kenobi Vs Maul fight, the Anakin VS Obiwan, then in the OGs with the gravity of Luke and Vader on Cloud City, this just doesn’t compare so it feels kind of powerless. That’s actually the real word for the feeling I get behind this new Ashoka series and the force in general in Star Wars now. It just feels powerless. Like no weight to anything.

[@vekomaboomerang4094]

What is up with Ahsoka's fighting style, she looks like a cheerleader. I'm guessing that Ahsoka is somewhere in her late 30's, which would explain why she is slow. However, she could have been a bit more brutal with her lightsaber. Jedi Knight Erza is in his early 30's, so he should have been a little faster taking down the troopers down and protecting Jedi Apprentice Sabine. The actress's and actor's should get themselves in shape The producers need to bring Nick Gallard back into Star Wars to show them how it's done, because he made the Prequel fights what they are.

[@WendingWyrd]

All those troopers had to do was form a firing line, then all fire at once. The fact that clones could kill Jedi by shooting them but that massive number of stormtroopers couldn't do jack was pathetic.

[@kurtpunchesthings2411]

remember these are storm troopers they can't hit shit LOL ever since A New Hope

[@sensepaprkut]

Rosario is possibly the most stiff and clumsy star wars actress in the franchise, it's hard to watch her fight scenes. The facial features fits the character, but her body composition and especially movement doesn't.

[@reeceemms1643]

I was actually expecting it to end with Thrawn’s campaign beginning with him making an announcement and then the former imperials in the New Republic began to attack Republic officials. And one of the things would have been Hera having to get Mon Mothma away from being captured meanwhile the Imperial remnant meets with Thrawn and they begin an attack.

[@rl00668]

The writers don't understand how to create tension and raise stakes. Look at Mando season 3's ending. It set up nothing. There was no big loss experienced by the characters, no growth. It's all just content now.

[@superiorkaos]

if we're not training actors/ actress like the prequels or hiding their flaws with cgi/ cutting, then either cast everyone in their 20s so they at least look fast or do it animated

[@Galm1]

The props they use are a lot heavier compared to the ones they used in the prequel’s. Disney tries to compensate the weight by making the blades shorter but it’s still not the same.

[@kecksbelit3300]

I don't get why they use them at all. Yeah they may be cheaper but they lose a lot more. The sabers don't feel als powerful they more look like led tubes.

[@Galm1]

@@kecksbelit3300 I believe it’s because the props give off actual light. It also makes editing in post production easier.

[@kecksbelit3300]

@@Galm1 yeah that's what i meant with it may be cheaper. But i still don't get it, cause it also looks cheaper. In my opinion a lot of people would like disney star wars a lot more if at least the fights looked like in they looked in the prequels

[@bardockmou]

Easier? i hate seeing the sabers being that short...@@Galm1

[@gigaatom]

​@@bardockmouthey edit a longer blade ontop of the prop?

[@OdieuxBarbare]

Rosario is just spinning left and right. Look at her duel with Anakin. She is simply not at the physical level required for such a character.

[@jaffinator2166]

0:38 what lore explanation?

[@DarthNoshitam]

Still no answer ...

[@joshuacraig6447]

People are so nit-picky. The show was good, and if you look at the character progression of Ahsoka there's a reason her style is changing. Freaking internet critics.

[@pbjames]

It literally felt like the boba finale 😂

[@thestrongestnerd4284]

Very good comparison actually, a stiff, jumbled up plot armor mess

[@ImaginaryNate]

Everything people always find to complain about this show, I never ever noticed or understood. Ahsoka was amazing as fuck to me

[@sarahc2401]

Same here

[@ricardomartinez8430]

I was more upset that not one of them thought about slicing a trooper. Like they see that the troopers LITERALLY rise from the dead and even as they were backing up that even deflecting or causing flesh wounds they still got up and kept coming after them I would’ve expected Sabine to actually be the one to at least cut a trooper head off or in half and could’ve shown a difference between Sabine and ahsoka that ahsoka would’ve still been deflecting shots as a light side thing where ahsoka isn’t directly doing something vicious vs Sabine finding a solution that is quick and end all but it would be a way for her to fall to the dark side with being more aggressive and her killing something this already dead that she can go and kill a still sentient being

[@andreypopov9053]

young ahsoka was so much quicker then Rosario here. Thats what Ahsoka should have been like. Plus age doesnt play that much a role when you have the force just look at Palpatine, Yoda, Dooku.

[@starcabal2006]

I can agree with you on that, could've been at a faster pace than what we got. But that's Disney Star Wars after all.

[@crplegokid1268]

Hey bro, I know you’re retired, but who do you think would win? WBW Anakin, or Mortis Anakin? Hope you’re having a great retirement!

[@username.exenotfound2943]

tbh saying its disney star wars is no excuse

[@starcabal2006]

@@crplegokid1268 WBW Anakin

[@crplegokid1268]

@@starcabal2006 thanks, have a great rest of your day!

[@klerb342]

disney has no problem making good fights for their marvel movies maybe we should stop accepting their garbage for star wars

[@chriswalsh3712]

Looked like theater kids trying to play sports

[@Hanmi103]

The immediate comparison that came to my head of that initial awkward to frontal head-on cut is a literal game of Beat Saber. Rhythmic slow motions like swatting away flies with fans or a conductor in front of an orchestra. Luke at the end of Mandalorian Season 2 had faster, sudden moves which make more sense in combat, not the slow and lazy moves as in that opening scene. I liked the fight choreography that came after. Ezra's Eman did alright, and Sabine was SUPPOSED to be less skilled and awkward trying to predict blaster shots so Natasha Liu B. is off the hook for this one. Rosario... 🤦 She had better fight scenes, this was not one of them.

[@bigosbro21]

Totally agree with Ahsoka looking like she is moving in slow motion all season. Bring back the lightsaber deflections and bladework of The Phantom Menace. And zombie troopers should be no match for lightsabers.

[@RepsyHD]

Even Fanmade shows are better than this ...

[@TonyStark-zt5fe]

@RepsyHD in fanmade videos, 20 year old cosplayers will play characters like Ahsoka and will actually be fit and in shape. Rosario Dawson got too fat

[@squirrel6687]

The spacing was all wrong. Ahsoka is very much an in the pocket in your face acrobatic fighter. She would have advanced while deflecting and repelling.

[@JustinWedekind]

It's like when you played power rangers on the playground back in the day fighting fake bad guys

[@Raptor_Ren]

They needed a skilled stunt double for Ahsoka there.

[@Trojan073]

It looks like your holding deflect in the complete saga

[@whatdatechnodogedoin]

Its just so weird that someone who was a practicioner of form 5 a very acrobatic defensive form and hard hitting offensive form, is so slow in this scene.

[@exclusiveoro5349]

Will you take it back now that acolyte is out?!?!?

[@Jay-sg5uc]

No because the acolyte choreography isn’t even comparable to the dogass Ahsoka one

[@ladyvader2648]

Dave Filoni has never been strong with live action cinematography, it feels cheap, as can be noticed in his episodes in Mando and TBOBF. I prefer Bryce's episodes, they look more cinematic.

[@alfeersum]

Yeah - I found this scene very disappointing. There wasn't the intensity of earlier fights, it was almost as if they couldn't get it right, so they used rehearsal or 'the best of the bad takes' footage. "Just wave your arms around, we'll put the FX in later."

[@_KaiTheGamer_]

I will say, while the criticism of this scene is understandable and valid; everything's stiff, stunted, and very unbelievable, it is by and large NOT the worst lightsaber vs. blaster scene we've gotten, even if you discount the sequels in their entirety. To those who care, I present to you: the Geonosis Arena Jedi vs Droids scene from AotC. Sure some of the jedi actors are swinging quickly, some have some pretty decently coreographed moves, and (most) don't stand in one spot for 10 minutes swinging a bat, but it's also painfully obvious that they're both swinging at nothing AND have very little knowledge of swinging a sword-like object in any believable way. It gets even worse when the clones arrive to save them, because when the camera cuts back to the lineup of Anakin, Padme, and a few of the council members, with gunships in the background melting droids, you can literally see when the cue to "start fighting" gets called (hell, everyone in that group are all staring off into blank space before they, all at once, start doing stuff in a small area). So while I do get the criticism about this scene (I personally hate that they went with Romero-style shambler zombies instead of the more "feral" nightsister-type zombies from TCW, who would climb droids like trees to tear them apart), it's not the first time this has happened, not even recently, and I'd argue that while some of those shots are cringe, the geonosis arena battle has 40x as much cringe stuntwork. Let's be glad they haven't tried THAT again. To answer that last question, this episode definitely wasn't the worst of the season, but this *scene* is in the bottom 3. It's disappointingly not good.

[@cliffcorson4000]

On Ahsoka's part it's as if she was learning how to use 2 sabers for the first time She'd do 3-4 parrys with one blade then switch to other, then rinse and repeat

[@cain412]

The way I see it, is that Disney cant get actors who are both good at playing their characters AND being physically able to do all the fancy choreography said characters are know for in the story. Just one of the limitations of live action I guess. Im sorta use to seeing it at this point. The prequels had very good choreography but the acting was a bit "meh" imo so not every film/show can be perfect, just good in some parts and bad in others

[@jamiekay4210]

I see people saying "Ahsoka is in her 40s" as a defense for why she is so slow in this scene, and that's just a poor excuse. Far more Jedi and Sith have demonstrated far greater combat prowess at older ages than Ahsoka. Qui-Gon, Dooku, Yoda, Palpatine, even Baylan, all several years (in some cases decades, or in Yoda's case centuries) Ahsoka's senior, and all performed far more competently in open combat/duels. Overall, this scene just fell flat and was, frankly, embarrassing. All Ahsoka did was stand in place with a smirk on her face and twirl her lightsabers. Something like this could be forgiven as passable were it in Rebels (and it feels like they based a lot of the combat for the series off of that show), but in live action it just looks slow paced and horrible.

[@ChrisStavros]

She really looks like she's in slow motion and the plan was to speed up the sequence in post... and they just forgot to do it, or something.

[@leichtmeister]

Everytime Dawson takes up a lightsaber everything on the screen goes to shit. The woman had no propper training in how to wield her weapon. I am a teacher in historical fencing and she moves like every beginner I ever had to train: stiff, unconfident, no awareness of her own body or how the object she is holding can move. She is either an absolute miscast or received literally zero training for her choreographies. It's just painfull to watch her as Ahsoka.

[@reznik232]

That is simultaneously one of the most hilarious and pathetic things I've ever seen in Star Wars!

[@DrLynch2009]

The Acolyte episode 3 : "Hold my blue milk"

[@Haythaway]

Basically rosario Dawson couldn't be fucking bothered to work out a little to move like a jedi would

[@TonyStark-zt5fe]

@HockenheimIsMyDaddy that’s being generous. Looking at the size of her, Rosario Dawson couldn’t even be bothered to stop eating as much. She gained so much weight since Mando

[@paulinelambert7780]

Ahsoka is so fat in this scene, it's not even funny

[@TonyStark-zt5fe]

@paulinelambert honestly this annoyed me too much. Didn’t really take Ahsoka to be someone who would relax and gain weight, but damn this season she became a fat Jedi. The belt sort of covered it, but you could definitely see a round belly in some scenes

[@ichigokurosaki7505]

@ probably because Rosario Dawson didn’t bother to go to the gym or even get a personal trainer

[@TonyStark-zt5fe]

@ichigokurosaki7505 oh yeah 100%. You could easily see the difference between her in Mando season 2 and here

[@randomcracka3]

Glad I didn't didnt watch this show. She is by far one of my favorite characters. And was played by one of my favorite actresses in this show. I can't watch them both be ruined

[@thatoneguychad420]

The power of manyyyyyy

[@lowhp_comic]

10yr old me when i find some sword-shaped sticks at the park

[@TheTyroofToriyama]

Omg… The way she keeps her head dead still while muzzing like a TikTok girl playing drum and bass…. The cringe was unreal Just give us Ani and Obi on a full Clone Wars series with some baby Ahsoka, please.. We all know we want it. Stop delaying the inevitable as if they’re too big for their boots

[@WforWill]

I loved the episode personally and so have most people I’ve talked to. I think that scene felt a little stiff but I really liked the night troopers. I only wish there was some limb loss from the troopers. Despite that the episode was great in my eyes.

[@anubhavdassharma1854]

This scene is overhated. They were being backed into a corner and Ahsoka Ahsoka literally says to hold their ground i.e play defensive and draw them out. Once there was an opening, Ezra took it and sliced them off one by one, Sabine provided cover fire, while Ahsoka formed the main shield blocking the blaster fire. Its more strategic than flashy.

[@SSJRadioBluth]

I thought those short and tight deflections were specifically a direct reference to her training with the 501st and the motions are literally the exact same as the first few she deflects before Rex gets up and starts shooting at her from the back in which case she starts doing short half spins. I loved it. It's literally her training both Ezra and Sabine in the same vein as Anakin trained her. It reminded me of Kelleran Beq anticipating where the bolts would be. Now Ahsoka can sense their intent even when they're dead. Pretty cool. Beyond cool to me. Like she's advanced so far that it looks effortless to her. Then immediately she dialed it up against Morgan including at some point fighting off both troopers and Witch.

[@publiusventidiusbassus1232]

I don't get why Star Wars fans feel the need to defend bad choreography with "lore". Rosario just looks goofy doing those halfassed lightsaber spins.

[@charlessaint7926]

I had to slow it down. @0:48 It looked like Ahsoka accidently deflected a laser bolt into Sabine's helmet. But that may just be the screen distortions masking the shot really came from the Dead Men.

[@theGhoulman]

I could actually see how the fight was, that I really liked. Call me an old wizard.

[@J-Salamander69]

Yeah I completely get that. I loathe good fight sequences getting ruined by silly vfx. People have become used to what I call the "schizophrenic camera" with jarring focus zoom and fast cuts, which is frequent in contemporary asian action entertainment. To me, that style is unwatchable, gives me headaches. Unfortunately the attention spans of some audiences now only last for about half-a-second before they get twitchy and annoyed. Hence the rise of Tik-Tok. So I guess now, 'normal speed' is too slow. 🤷‍♀

[@theGhoulman]

@@J-Salamander69 no one cares what some AI thinks.

[@J-Salamander69]

@@theGhoulman Huh? How do you arrive at that conclusion?

[@theGhoulman]

@@J-Salamander69 unlike a lot of films, etc., the fight scene was visible, not in the dark (!) and one could follow what was happening. As opposed to the often terrible habit shows have of dark, muddy, shaky shots of kicks and punches through the air lazy junk.

[@aluisious]

I didn't really notice this scene in particular because the whole show is such a pointless blah fest it doesn't stand out. Although when they do start being zombies, I think I said to my girlfriend "why don't they start chopping their legs off?"

[@williams_57]

I am glad you made a click-bait video about what some dorks on Twitter said.

[@BiriBiri925]

I'm generally concerned about Ahsoka as a live-action character. I'm not sure it was good casting, she clearly doesn't have the training to play such an acrobat. Because of this, any action scene with her looks slow and boring. It's almost as bad as the Kylo Ren and Rey choreography.

[@Starlightofvega]

I liked it, seemed fine to me. How about instead of looking for things to criticize; enjoy one of the best pieces of StarWars media in a while!! Be happy.

[@michaelalmodovar4332]

Rosario Dawson. It was like an old woman. Her scenes are horrible. She couldn’t even try.

[@BlueSpectre]

And then came the accolyte HAHAHA!

[@spiritice2863]

the power of maaaaanyyyyyy

[@Alx1744]

Why aren't the force-users moving like force-users? Why are the lightsabers not cutting things? Why are the trained force-users moving their weightless lightsabers so slow?

[@neofulcrum5013]

These complaints are becoming nitpicks now

[@louisedwyer1365]

Ashoka is not as fast and flexible as she was in clone wars maybe due to her age maybe and plus Disney doesn't want to show good old chopping limbs. The lightsaber is a joke especially when Rava survived being stabbed in the chest twice. But I wouldn't say this is worst scene. Looking at BOBF

[@grimshock6983]

The power of ManNYyY

[@580mafiarecords4]

Disney destroyed the clones wars. 2003 Clone wars is the real one

[@xaalcarlsonanimations1539]

Honestly I never realized ahsoka moved slow…but then I realized it was because I never actually watched the fights. My mind just glossed over them all as there was no stakes or internal consistency. So I just mentally checked out.

[@ljoness1]

Relatable

[@LWNightmareSheriff]

Really didn't bother me that much. I liked it. SW fans just love to find things to complain about no matter how good or bad it might be.

[@Andrew-uh4wf]

What don’t fans complain about bruh

[@crysispat]

Reminds me of the horrible choreography in boba fett, especially that final episode battle... that was a pure what the fuck is going on moment

[@ridensroom6957]

Spin around to shoot in the same area for no reason 😅

[@JinxyMuadDib]

Totally disagree, this scene was amazing. It showed the training that Akakin bestowed onto Ashoka that trickled down to Ezra (from him watching the hollows, he's using the same form), that trickled down to sabine. They're in a defensive stance, so they're trying not to get surrounded or overrun. They also haven't seen Ezra in years but still manage to coordinate a successful defensive attack. Ashoka shows off her wartime training by recognizing Sabines weakness, and calling out to her to switch to her strength. Both Ezra and Ashoka are slower seemingly because of 2 things, 1. it's live action and not animation, characters can only move as fast as the actors and budgets will allow. 2. because they've aged significantly since Rebels, so it's natural for them to slow down a bit, even though we see Ezra still shows off some of his agility, also keeping in mind that Ashoka has to look after 2 padawans, her priority is their safety. Lastly can y'all remember this is a DISNEY show, so we're not going to get any kind of decapitation, and if we do it's going to be managed by camera tricks like we saw. A "The Boys" style Star Wars would be absolutely amazing, but we'll never get that.