Possibly The Worst Professional Game of Warhammer 40k Ever Recorded

This game from the LGT 2021 final between Alex Harrison and Malik Amin-Rubio is possibly the worst professional game I’ve ever seen. It totalled 40 minutes and was over before the end of the first turn. Both players demonstrated some extreme salt, argued over rules and there was even an unfortunate medical emergency mid-game (though they handled that well). Apparently the players weren’t even supposed to be recorded, but the commentators were out or their setup wasn’t working.
I’m aware the players were stressed and fair enough, but the sportsmanship on display was lacking, especially for a pro tournaments finals.
Please do not harass anyone involved in this video, it is intended for comedic and educational purposes only.

[@hjelsethak]

These guys had so much fun. You can feel it.

[@Mondo78951]

I can't believe the random guy having a medical emergency was the least awkward part

[@cameronsharp2022]

Wahahehey

[@Rokashy]

There were like gunshots or something right after 💀💀💀

[@theotv5522]

@@Rokashycommisar said “why waste on medical when a bullet does the job”

[@MightyGachiman]

That person had an epilaptic seizure, too real and familiar... Damn. They really need medical attention and FAST

[@YungQueef]

if autism was a pastime

[@theraf2u]

Alex Harrison was banned from tournaments a few years ago for endless cheating, sad to see he's back to his old ways yet again.

[@MrPotatoWaffles]

He's been to and won numerous events since with no issues so maybe he's changed his way. Im all for 2nd chances.

[@dudeman5300]

Just wondering how he cheated? I have no idea about cheating as I never played in a tournament or even anything competitive so I am just wondering what some of the normal ways they try and cheat are.

[@UmJammaLamma]

​@dudeman5300 a couple years back he was playing against Geoff Robinson and was on camera shifting a badly positioned model to be a better spot during his opponent's turn by pushing it with a water bottle. This was among several other shady things he did during that video.

[@YomamaYodaddyYobjtchassGranny]

@@UmJammaLammahe also tends to “forget rules” 😂

[@chrisg8321]

​@@MrPotatoWaffles Maybe he wasn't caught...

[@josharts4757]

This is the result of meta chasing from both sides, you can see the negative ego floating around, and sadly it is more common than people think it is.

[@rf-cattleprod6207]

I have made some really great friends playing this game BUT there are some d-bags running around.

[@TheAgentmigs]

Its kinda why I dont feel like ever competing.

[@rf-cattleprod6207]

@@TheAgentmigs 40k tournaments are the worst. But they all have a fecal aroma to them. MTG, looking at you.

[@torganya]

​@@TheAgentmigsdid it for a very very very short while. Met some cool people but those 1 in 50 can really ruin your fun for a long time. Its toy soldiers. Stop making it so serious

[@Retard634]

wacf@gging

[@TheDrewcas]

A known cheater who was banned from the London GT for being a scumbag. Not shocked he's featured here.

[@burgasaurus7792]

Which guy? The admec?

[@TheDrewcas]

@@burgasaurus7792 Alex Harrison, the Deathwatch guy.

[@thelion2751]

@@TheDrewcas oh yeah I heard about this guy in a podcast I don't what podcast was but they were mention he cheated or something

[@YungQueef]

What happens when you play against brown people....

[@EternalDawn]

How tf do you cheat in this? Outside if like, weighted dice or some bs

[@johnsandfort8908]

Imagine ending a game with "gg but not really though"

[@tad9786]

Most cringe match ever lol

[@joeybravo6172]

when I used to play magic when ravnica came back out, I had a jund midrange deck and clobbered a dude's usa deck first game. I was like "hell yeah, not bad for my first time" and the other player said "I've never been more insulted" and left the tournament.

[@martinlysy]

@@joeybravo6172 lmao

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

That can get you disqualified from tournaments in some game spaces, idk about Warhammer, but I’ve seen it happen in magic

[@daltooinewestwood6380]

@@joeybravo6172same, I had a game where I was playing against some 15 year old kid and after the game I said GGs and he goes “It wasn’t a good game”

[@DudeWatIsThis]

Why would you make the blue player's text red and the red player's text blue? I don't even know who to hate on.

[@NukerOfFace]

It was so annoying.

[@chrisjones6792]

Having been to one real tornament "I'm too tired to do that" is the most real thing ever and the reason I'm never playing in another Warhammer Tornament.

[@MatthewBreck]

They are grueling. Between the game mechanics themselves and the typical personality that is attracted to this game tournaments are not even remotely worth it

[@Cyd98]

After playing my first few games and being utterly crushed by Ctan shards in 1k games I’m just done with the game

[@CaptainWwowW]

C'tan shard in a 1k? Yeah that is scummy

[@Cyd98]

@@CaptainWwowW is it?

[@knightsolaire6342]

@@Cyd98 yeah it very much is. In 1K lists, most armies lack the firepower to take a Ctan down.

[@ARegularGhast]

"its my word vs yours" nah bro its your "word" vs genuine fucking caught in 4k video evidence

[@TerribleContentz]

"I'm not trying to cheat you there's a big camera above my head" while clearly trying to cheat on multiple occasions

[@17blaziken]

Me: "6 minutes video? It must be edited" * watch the video * "Well, they just cut the dead moments, but it's just a single turn, so...."

[@Tehstampede]

Moving 40k away from being movement and positioning focused to pre-measuring distances and "gotcha" stratagems has changed the game for the worse, i think

[@niccogiova6728]

I think there should be a rule that doesn't let you check the distance before moving. I too am not a fan of stratagems.

[@Nazdreg1]

@@niccogiova6728 No, the result will be that players start "measuring" in weird ways that aren't actually measuring (i.e.) "leaning" on a table with the hand in between something and use that hand as a reference because you know it's length or something weird like that. Pre-measuring is great as it does allow for much more transparency. Believe me, if you declare a move first and then measure and see if you can do it, those guys will be toxic af. By the way, 40k is very much positioning. Not on this terrain though, that is hot garbage as it is a desert right in the center. Anyways, I'll take the current game over the 7th any time. Invisible bike stars with 2+ rerollable invuln and I think 3+ fnp, no thanks. Free transports for like 15 units, no thanks. Multiple barrage template sniping, nah. It was so much procedure and dice rolling for nothing basically. I'll have (almost) any stratagem there is now.

[@cyanideinmycereal1077]

The insane micro is not very fun tbh.

[@matthewjohnson1415]

I always felt like the pre-measuring broke the fun side of the game. When it suddenly all becomes about cheesy stratagems something important was lost. But you could say the same about any competitive game. It is supposed to be FUN. If it isn't, what's the point?

[@alexmac851]

@@matthewjohnson1415 Sounds like a skill issue there

[@koncorde]

"I'm not tryna cheat you out of a wound" he said as he effortlessly tried to cheat his opponent out of a wound.

[@MarkusMaximus2000]

Gosh that was a hard watch. Their only decent moment was the concern for the wellbeing of someone nearby. But also this is by no means typical of the 40k game. This is the 1% tryhard WAAC competitive players breaking the game for a 3D printed trophy.

[@timdefreitas1470]

This is 40k in Australia.

[@40kWarpHeroes]

actually this is quite typical. people not knowing their codexes, the terrain rules, all because GW cant right write coherently

[@jameszeropr]

At a tournament, I'd say this is closer to 25-33% of the time. Narrative or casual then more like 5-10%. This is from my experience.

[@kamerionsmith4551]

Everyone says it's just 1% of the community, such a small number yet everyone has tons of stories about meeting people like this

[@YungQueef]

What happens when you play against brown people....

[@TheFatdingo]

This single handed forced the lack of player mic’s for all the major events in the US for the following year

[@minimatterspodcast]

So all events have mics now?

[@svenylford4047]

​@@minimatterspodcast "forced the lack of"

[@CromTheDestroyer]

This is why I don't play with anyone but my close circle. this is such a waste of precious free time. I can't handle the passive aggressive shit going on here fo real 😂

[@HansFlamme]

sadly my close circle is kinda like this too. Or at least they take it way too serious

[@captaincorundum9788]

​@@HansFlamme that sucks dude

[@HansFlamme]

@@captaincorundum9788 it does, I'm a new player if you want so (started two years ago) and I recently started to play CSM. They legit got mad at me because I did forget to make a Dark Pact a couple of times lmao even tho it's in favor of them.

[@James-de2hp]

The mismatched dice offend me

[@benjamincoubrough95]

I have a visual disability and really struggle to comprehend mixed dice. Especially when some have symbols on 1s and some have symbols on 6s. For this reason I have 50 spare plain dice that I’ll ask an opponent to use if I have a problem with theirs.

[@Fortheweak13]

@@benjamincoubrough95 These looks suspicious af tho haha

[@spitefulgit]

Is this 40k now? Tabling your opponent on the first shooting phase in the first battle round? Genuinely sad. Also imagine encountering either of these two while looking for a pick up game in your LGS. Terrifying.

[@hobbithubby5076]

No, this is an older game and the Admech army was brought back into balance quite a while ago.

[@Reqqles]

this was 40k until recently. Since this game there's been some nerfs to admech, nerfs to the amount of aircraft you can bring (this game shows 4, the limit now is 2), some more nerfs to admech and other powerful factions and as of the recent balance dataslate the game is in a good place where the balance between armies is much better and turn 1 blowouts are pretty much impossible to do.

[@SuperOmegaBerserker]

Terrifying? Just say u concede when u see their list and just play someone else. They will understand when no one plays them

[@theadro91]

It’s not what 99% of 40K is, but this is two hyper competitive players at a tournament, at least one of which has a very spammy list when the admech were very much overpowered.

[@killercreek450]

It is if you play against bikes

[@Glarrgify]

I feel like there needs to be some context added to this. This was day 2, hour 15-16 of the event. These were the only two players in the hall and they were dog tired playing in an absolute hell meta of Admech flier spam. The entire game was just a first turn rolloff because of how broken OP these flyers were. Neither wanted to be playing this game and nerves were frayed

[@dogshake]

@@nateg.6187I think you’re confusing table top games with sports. Athletes play sports, this is just a board game.

[@nateg.6187]

@@dogshake Glad you got my joke! I hope your day goes super smooth from here.

[@JannPoo]

@@dogshake Chess is recognized as a sport by the international olympic committee, and that's basically a board game. Apparently athletic skills are not considered a necessary requirement for something to be defined as sport.

[@yellowsaurus4895]

​@@JannPoo Not according to the Oxford dictionary, or literally any random person on the street for that matter. Even if the IOC consider chess a "sport" they themselves don't include it in the Olympics specifically because it doesn't require any athleticism or physical exertion like the other Olympic games. So basically it's a sport in name only, according to one governing body that doesn't have any actual authority on the definitions of words.

[@JannPoo]

@@yellowsaurus4895 The Oxford dictionary provides more than 10 definitions, you need to pick one specifically to claim that "chess" isn't included.

[@mcsnaffle5443]

They both deserved each other, no winners here.

[@Mietin]

Yeah. Jesus christ

[@sleesonphoto]

I'd absolutely HATE to play somebody with that attitude

[@matthewdavies986]

I've never really understood playing tabletop games super competitively, because the inherent randomness and unbalance of games like 40K makes them pretty luck based and unfair IMO, and because playing for any other reason than simply having fun (like playing only to win) feels boring and like it would breed this type of behaviour,

[@heinz8233]

You don't understand? If the ruleset of the game is well made playing competitive is the default way to go. Playing super casual and only for fun, whatever that means, sound really good and peace and love but only works if you play with close friends and even then problems can arise. If the ruleset is tight there is no need to distinguish between casual and competitive, the game just is. The problem is that 40k is not a good ruleset, period. It barely holds up as a casual game among friends, it definitely does not hold up as a game you can play with randos. The problem is not on competitive play in itself, the problem is wanting to be competitive on a bad game that can't handle it

[@matthewdavies986]

​@@heinz8233 I think you misunderstand my comment, I used the phrase "SUPER competitively" in my comment because I'm not saying competitive play is inherently bad, I'm saying when players are so focused on winning they ignore basic manners and good sportsmanship problems arise, friendly competition in which all players are gracious and polite whether they win or lose is great. Also I play non-competitive and narrative games with strangers that go well, so I don't really understand why you think casual play only works with close friends

[@funkydanieluk]

Once you start moving models with tape measures everything becomes imprecise. I've never understood try to make this loosy goosy kind of came ultra competitive.

[@IdolsHextech]

Playing tabletop games competitively is great, 40k is just not the game for it as GW purposely makes the game unbalnaced for profit

[@ZarisWhiteFoot]

Or just make a board with a light graph on top of everything?

[@sidewinder3694]

Two dudes who couldn't punch their way out of a wet paper bag trying to big dog eachother while playing a tabletop game. WTF happened to 40k

[@Rob-fn1kp]

Lollllllllll amazing

[@hellcat64]

It became a icon of the gaming world. With money involved. Huge power creeps and a company who don't give a crap about customers/fans.

[@knatureknight7504]

I first got into warhammer years ago the I forgot about for some years then found it again through the video games and I was like I know I will see if I could get into the community or something then I saw stuff like this and realised I would have better luck trying to get my friends into it

[@fallstar7013]

Nothing....

[@glitch200]

It got popular.

[@alexwe6116]

To all the guys complaining, this is not even 1% of the games you'll ever play.

[@mpepp9]

Depends on if you play in tournaments. You get a *lot* of rules disagreements and grumpiness in high level games. I used to play in 5th Ed tournaments, and you’d genuinely see games like this all the time

[@alexwe6116]

@@mpepp9 I still play in tournaments as well and usually referees are available in case of disagreement. However people straight up cheating is quite rare and if they were found to be cheating they would most likely be banned and black listed in every tournament of the region

[@Gman1ist]

Tbh I have been to many tournaments (usually make middle tables) and I have only ever had one bad game (slow play) otherwise all have been good

[@derykhenderson5187]

I'm trying to play home brew and I get this all the time. Takes about 5-6 hours per turn. Seriously considering giving up

[@alexwe6116]

@@derykhenderson5187 homebrew can be a source of more confusion. The game is already complex enough as it is so adding more rules might make it more difficult. If a turn is taking hours, there is definietly something going wrong. You might want to consider playing with other people, that should definietly not be a normal occurrence. A full game of 2k vs 2k points usually takes between 2 and 4 hours maximum if both players know their rules

[@Akrna47]

Why is it when i see clips of people cheating it always involves this alex harrison guy and why is he still playing?

[@lieutenantgothmog4370]

And to nobodies surprise, Alex Harrison is involved.

[@headlesshunter8435]

from my understanding 95% of players play the right way scuffed narritive battles.

[@surpriseandterror9698]

The difference in emotion state between "Your commander was sniped turn 1 because you forgot a stratagem and your opponent has Alpha Strike that can kill God himself" and "Your commander was shot from orbit because the neighbouring Battlefleet Gothic game got outta hand" is wild. Never going back to competitive.

[@timho4386]

I play myself using two different armies and i get into heated arguments against myself too! Sometimes even end up punching myself..

[@Freakincident]

We all make mistakes in the heat of passion

[@rishnix]

Super based. So based in fact that I am assuming you are playing 2 Ork armies, one representing Gork and the other Mork.

[@Cry4Tanelorn]

Random pet peeve: I really dislike when opponents' dice are all different colors

[@scottseaver4070]

At some locals you never see this type of play, but at others it's infected almost everybody. It just depends

[@testprime4248]

It feels like they are tired and they landed in a matchup with terrain where you go first and you win.

[@harleyjay338]

how does someone in finals not understand basic rules

[@zaganim3813]

because some armies were literally point your stuff towards the enemy and win at that point of 9th edition

[@YomamaYodaddyYobjtchassGranny]

Alex Harrison is a known cheater and tends to “forget rules”

[@MsWubwub]

It should be noted that this footage is like over a year old. Despite being uploaded recently.

[@kevlonk]

How chill players interact outside of a tournament setting: "Dude, I love the paint job on that vehicle! May I see?" "That's cocked. Go ahead and reroll it." "I should warn you now, this unit has really nasty overwatch. You sure you want to do that?" "You forgot to shoot with that unit? Nah, go ahead and shoot with it. Mistakes happen." Absolutely not how these guys were acting.

[@cyanideinmycereal1077]

40k is easily my favorite way to hang out with the boys but 40k against like random people trying to get a leg up on you sounds absolutely miserable. The game is busted enough bro you don't have to cheat.

[@Donjon_keeper]

There weren't even any pew-pew sounds when they shot with their toy soldiers 😮

[@liqerise]

"I'm gonna build my army around a first turn win if I go first" ... "Why would games workshop make such a bad game where you can only win if you go first!"

[@nonya_bidness]

Exactly, see if hed be singing the same tune if hed won the die roll

[@embearasedbear3694]

I mean you can do that in magic and yugioh too, and I'm sure a fair amount of other games as well

[@MrSolidsnake293]

@@embearasedbear3694 you just compared card decks to table top wargaming, theres a little more RNG with table top than yugioh even if the newer yugioh stuff is a bit overzealous

[@embearasedbear3694]

@@MrSolidsnake293 "I'm sure a fair amount of other games as well" You think WH is the only mini game you can win turn one?

[@MrSolidsnake293]

@@embearasedbear3694 there are many that can have turn one wins but we both know Warhammer feels the worst and is based on tons of dice. As I said previously yugioh while complex isn't the same complexity as table top simply because the biggest limit of deck building is simple deck shuffling you either get your build or you don't.

[@steadydets]

Just to give a bit of context : This meta was ridiculous. The ad mech plane/ranger brick spam was ridiculous and it frequently ended on the first turn. This is why the both are just over the game before it starts. They know if Ad mech goes first, there is nothing he can do about the bombers since at this time, every list had 3.

[@AllThingsCubey]

Actually there's only a single bomber in Malik's list. He had three gunships.

[@michamalinowski8015]

Example of antiquated design. You can still do "I go you go" in a good way- but lame the first turn and give reaction moves to players. Take SAGA as a good example of a competitive wargame- in most senarios the first player gets only 3 of 8 SAGA dice used to charge activations and abilities, but can manover freely during first turn. Also players can react to attacks by closing ranks to lower their attack but improve armor saves. So things like that will never happen. This is what happens when you only care about releasing units but not improving the ruleset in ways that matter.

[@Mickekzon]

For some reason GW doesn't want to let go these rules from the 80s. I always tell people the first thing 40k needs is to move away from d6 to d10 at least, but d12 preferably. There are so many armies now that we need more granularity. I love 40k... the lore, the models, even the game but every edition that doesn't completely overhaul the gameplay is a waste.

[@ximbabwe0228]

100% agree. asymmetrical maps and an attacker / defender position can help offset the first turn advantage too

[@Hellvine]

Mage Knight solved all of these tabletop problems 20 years ago but the industry didn’t pay attention.

[@Hasharin14]

This is why I refuse to play w40k. The game is a joke with no alternated activations.

[@chrismac1835]

I have no idea whats going on but I thank God that my introduction to Warhammer was through video games.

[@Neddicus]

Yeah, I've finally reached the "I wanna paint" phase. Because the lore and games weren't enough, and this is now a crippling addiction. Help.

[@AParticularlyConcernedCitizen]

Might as well keep it that way. They're probably going to crater the lore or pull a "End Times" on 40k any day now, so there's not much left to look forward to.

[@4TL45_40K]

I played Alex at a local tournament maybe close to 10 years ago, I was maybe 14-15 but I knew the rules like the back of my hand and this was the final, the game we played was fine he had the better army and I played not so good but he was cool to play against, as for the way they conducted themselves at the table this is far from the worst is it ideal? no you play with your opponent not against them but with so much rules bloat and codex creep eventually you'll run into games that maybe don't make for best viewing and this was one of those occasions

[@captaincorundum9788]

I dunno he seemed like an ass in this video

[@chaseh432]

10th edition sorted out a lot of the rules bloat, but still can lead to some heated moments even between friends. Its just a big time commitment so you dont want to be screwed I guess. Luckily with friends everyone still ends the game happy, seeing randos behave like this is almost insufferable!

[@impguardwarhamer]

40k has been like this since 8th. Its all strategem/special rule gotchas instead of being about positioning and generic rules

[@richardpagel6959]

@@impguardwarhamer Yes exactly.

[@theclash24]

back after a year...I totally missed it was a first turn kill...that's pretty much 40k damn bro that's awful

[@bamaretiredgruntscottb.6533]

It's things like this that are the reason I won't play anything tournament style. I will only play narrative games with people who don't believe that 40k, a game, is not life or death.

[@TheLloydro]

Wish I could find more laid back players. I hate playing competitive 40k it sucks.

[@thegiantratthatmakesalloft9415]

ESL

[@gamingcooperations]

This. Absolutely this.

[@benn1181]

If you try some local tournaments chances are you'll be greeted by laid back dudes who are very experienced with the game. There are always a few numpties, but most are cool dudes.

[@SamuelButts]

wouldnt it be better if the game was still fun with both players trying to win? narrative games are cool but do you intentionally try to lose? or intentionally make bad decisions? this is why 40k is terrible, you end up in situations where you literally have no chance of even fighting back if your opponent goes first.

[@ReaperoftheWar]

meanwhile I show up stoned out of my mind carrying all 12 of my leman russes and just sending it up mid board. gamell be over in turn 3 one way or another.

[@Izayoink_Saccuy]

Fairest deathwatch player

[@LOLMAADAD]

40k isn't that shit, shit is just the way these guys are playing it... of course you want to win, but also you want to have fun.

[@mpepp9]

Nah let’s me honest, the overall game is a completely bloated mess compared to 4th and 5th edition

[@roberthardwick5114]

I come back to this video occasionally to show new people into the hobby how certain people and certain situations can take something that is supposed to be “fun” and literally ruin it, so much so that they can’t even enjoy it themselves 😂😂

[@tadamoriyagi8265]

The one game of 40k I played was with me and my friend after school. I was playing Space Marines, and he was playing Eldar. I just remember blowing up half his guys with my 2 land raiders and other heavy weapons from across the board on the first turn, and then he rage quit.

[@PapaLycanDnD]

Couldn’t these battles be made more fun with narration and descriptive action sequences describing what’s happening in the rolls?

[@Aerakade]

Tournament play sort of requires speedy playing and neither party is interested in it. There are many excellent KZbin channels that go the other way.

[@mergenocide]

That would require actual interest in the setting, comp 40k players are 90% sweaty neckbeards who are just looking for a medium that they can be "winners" at because they are incompetent at anything else.

[@TheBlightspawn]

Alex Harrison, where have i heard that name before?

[@holzbergerpeter4480]

40k dont look anything like back in the days when we used to play. Quit 40k many years ago and dont regret it after this video

[@fdhappy6930]

Warhammer lore: Bazillions of dead in mere seconds, war without care for losses. Warhammer tabletop: "NUH UH THOSE ARE 3 INCH TOO CLOSE" Bro just get out your fecking gun of annihilation and end the match yourself! FOR THE EMPEROR

[@HolySmokesTheSquire]

Pretty much why I keep putting the hobby down over the decades, cool universe and models but the game always boils down to this exact formula.

[@sclarke6969]

To be fair to the AdMec guy he probably was just depressed knowing he was going to have to play with this guy. Also how can you be a "pro" and not remove the fails rather than picking up the hits to avoid potential confusion like the "4"

[@bigmitchy4026]

seeing this late but I feel like a decent amount of useful context has been removed here for me to actually make a judgement. The first thing where they say "oh i havent deployed anything yet..." seems fine, like I could see myself saying that to make sure they don't get mislead. The squabble over the flyer and whether or not it was already deployed is hard for me to judge. The context of it being placed down is removed, so I actually have no idea if that was clearly deployed, was clearly just sitting there to be moved later or if it was just an honest mistake. Checking how the infantry is moving seems fine, it just seems like they're tired and awkward. If i had some other important context I might view that interaction differently. The flyer moving thing seems weird, I don't really remember how those rules worked but it seems fine to try to make sure it's moving correctly in a tournament if you did think there was a mistake The dice that's a 5 being said to be a 4 seems pretty sus, I'd be a bit miffed too if someone took away a potential wound from me. Like it could be an honest mistake. And if i knew how the context to the squabble over the flyer being deployed or not earlier then I'd potentially much more hard set on thinking this guys a scummy player. This encounter is like the most salty any of them got. The thing about him saying "good game, well not really" I can totally understand when he clarifies afterwards that the game balance feels wack and only turn 1 matters. If that's not actually how 9th played and he's pulling that out of his ass then fair enough, he's being super salty there, but i dont remember enough of 9th to say otherwise. Saying in the description that "both players demonstrated some extreme salt" feels weird when these guys didn't seem super salty much at all in these clips

[@Ghost3210]

Meanwhile I just want to have fun with others, while we admire our small forces of well loved and overpriced plastic.

[@pudgylittlehamster]

Dear god what a nightmare's its what happens when you allow players to police themselves in competive games.

[@Theinternetnerd]

How many archeopters does a guy need, Jesus christ

[@zamnodorszk7898]

I have had no compulsion ever to play competitive 40K, and this video affirms it. Why the f would I waste 3 hrs of my time doing this?

[@coyote4326]

This is why I never got into the tabletop. I bought a ton of books and codices for the lore, but never once wanted miniatures. Primarily for this reason, and also because GW is one of the worst companies I've ever had the displeasure of being a "fan" of their IP.

[@badgermead8228]

Table top is great just not when your testing to be the try hard master of the universe to win an utterly pointless event, playing weekly with friend and just having fun in far far better and the way tabletops should be played once you stick the competitive tab on things every geek/nerd that's never won anything in there life goes full retard to try to claim some form of success and grandeur, which is why you get guys like the one in the video trying to pull everything out because he doesn't know how to take a loss

[@FarseerB1rdy]

That's an absolutely stupid reason. Sorry. Some of the best times of my hobby life has been awese games with good friends, a few beers and pizza. This is like 0.1% of the game. For one, you'll probably never make the final of a GT in London. So you don't need to go in competitions. You find good mates and gave good times! Try it, you might like it.

[@coyote4326]

@@FarseerB1rdy It's a stupid reason to get into a hobby because their company treats it's consumers like dogshit, it's heavily overpriced, and incidents like this are widespread?

[@FarseerB1rdy]

@@coyote4326 You don't play the game so you have no idea apart from a few videos. It's really not like this all the time. It's hardly anything you will ever come across. This is from someone whose been in the hobby of Wargaming (GW and non GW) for over 20 years, played dozens and dozens of tournaments, ran a miniatures shop and tournaments from said shop. It's been a net positive experience for me personally. Sadly this video shows the absolute worst it can be. I couldn't care less about the price and company. They aren't the be all and end all for me. The amount of hours of pleasure I get from painting and gaming beats the price. Plus I just buy less/smarter. It can be done.

[@guerrillavanilla]

@@coyote4326 "treats it's consumers like dogshit" yes "it's heavily overpriced", ehhh if you're not a shrewd spender, yeah "and incidents like this are widespread?" no

[@thundergoat421_6]

I thought that was turn two or three. Turn one and nearly tabled? I still can't believe seeing this, and I've been seeing it happen with almost every new codex during 9th. I'm just happy I don't play 40k anymore. I play warhammer that isn't 40k.

[@thundergoat421_6]

@@icaruspotion7080 Basically yes!

[@jamesdo3086]

This was the London Open tbf, it’s still seen as one of the worst supermajors of all 2021

[@AllThingsCubey]

Most of the Marines were off the table in drop pods. He just threw a tantrum and called the game after turn 1 regardless because all his Dreadnoughts were killed.

[@thatoneoctopus7494]

People like this are exactly why I refuse to play with anyone outside of my friend group. Way too many of these losers out there spoiling the fun

[@nekochen]

This is like some card game national tourney I went to, you can hear people calling judge every 5 minutes, everyone's trying to rule shark the other person. It's expected though, when you're at that level of competitiveness, winning is everything otherwise there is no point in even trying to get that far. Me? I died on round 1 lol.

[@mikeh9708]

In the first round of the first Magic tournament I ever went to, I drew my first card of the game and another card slid off the top of the deck (it happens sometimes when cards are freshly sleeved and they are still super slippery and not perfectly flattened out yet). It was face down, neither of us knew what the card was and knew it had come from the top of the deck. I quickly put it back on top and figured we would keep playing, but my opponent called a judge. I was given a warning and told if I did anything like that again I would be ejected from the tournament. Lived the rest of the tournament in terror. Those were the days.

[@Ulubai]

​@@mikeh9708when in doubt call a judge, especially if it's something you did or something your not sure about.

[@phil5357]

Wow, this looks like the absolute best way to spend an afternoon ...

[@chrisj9628]

Yeah, 9th could be pretty cancerous if you were in the top-end of competitive players with all the stratagem bloat/gotchas, and the super lethal go-first alpha lists like this guy's planes. Events in 10th are much more enjoyable now that the meta has settled and the game is less complex/lethal overall.

[@shiwan8]

Basic tournament stuff. This is why I don’t want to play in those. People care too much about winning, they care enough to cheat.

[@nopenope3678]

Still too this day I still don’t know how you play warhammer

[@imbored2568]

"its my word against yours", he says to the live streamed recorded match

[@Stealyourmemes_studios]

why did it have to be the two armies I play myself…

[@solid-snake7336]

40k turned into nothing but rules lawyering

[@mpepp9]

@@fenook8634 That’s been high level tournaments since when I started playing 15+ years ago

[@Freakincident]

That’s always been the case these guys were just being asses

[@harleyjay338]

this is anything but professional

[@nixedification]

bruh this is all in TURN ONE????????

[@warhammerclipsandbits910]

Yes Senator Armstrong, all on turn one on the first player's turn, the second player didn't even get to play because they got eviscerated and conceded.

[@cadet1ice]

@@warhammerclipsandbits910 where's the fun in that

[@richardpagel6959]

@@cadet1ice There simply is none. It in fact is just a waste of time. Instead of wasting time in placing entire armies you could in fact just roll-off for the 1st turn and call it a win there already.

[@SamuelButts]

@@cadet1ice exactly the point, and this is why i dont play 40k anymore, i'd say since end of 6th/7th edition the game's lethality has amped up to the point where you can get such good turn 1 alpha strikes in, it pretty much ends the game. for this to not happen both players need to avoid over tuning their armies, but this is a competitive tournament of course both sides are going to tune their armies heavily. its the sign of a really bad ruleset where you cant have a decent game if both players are trying to win

[@richardpagel6959]

Exactly!

[@championofkhorne7576]

Geez that was bad. Shit attitude throughout, redeploying stuff already on the table, being an ultra-stickler about a single wound despite it wounding on camara, T1 stomp, getting super butthurt after the game. Honestly, I get being tired and not wanting to play, but thats not an excuse for a lot of this stuff.

[@ClassicTophatGaming]

Jesus, these two sound like they are one bad day away from roping. this is 3 years ago, so their is every chance they already have...

[@XCATX25]

One of the two also talks almost like Herknes Dragonblade, which increases the awkwardness

[@slimjim7411]

This is why after stopping after 1 tournament in 6th edition, and coming back for 2 tournaments in 8th edition. I stepped away for the rest of 8th and all of 9th. I might try 10th but i doubt I'll like it either.

[@geordan4951]

I would much rather just play in the basement with some friends and take whatever list looks or sounds fun than play some meta in a tourney

[@user-zv5ui5ol5f]

this was painful to watch almost makes me want to throw away my models if i encountered any of these guys at a game i would pack up and head. i could feel the joy and fun being sucked out

[@12XxXHandlesAreStupidXxX123]

People like this (rude dry attitudes), are one of the big reasons underworlds tournaments no longer do anything for me other than feel like a waste of time.

[@dylan9025]

Where is Stillmania when we need it most???

[@mrbongalong2788]

At first glance I thought this was stick arena

[@OldGuyRetros]

Can't we all just get along and have fun

[@sinfrax]

Flipping the colours of the people speaking really threw me off for a while there.

[@EMusyk]

9th edition really was the edition of, roll to see who goes first, GG game over.

[@Tzar-TZ]

This is by far the worst game i have seen ever. imagine calling it there on the first turn wtf. Competitive gaming ruins games, regardless of what they are.

[@TheDrewcas]

Maybe GW's unbalanced shit show. KoW has a pretty healthy competitive community across across the US and in other countries.

[@Jimmy_the_Saint]

If a game is well made and at least have a semblance of balance competitive games are fun. Even unbalanced shitfests like yugioh or magic are mostly fun in a competitive setting. AoS 3rd edition is the most fun i had with a wargame since 40k5e and hordes. 40k had been going down the drain since 7th edition this is just the culmination of years of bad decisions.

[@soffren]

Damn, kinda glad I won't be at any top tables in the UK

[@colonelturmeric558]

This is partly why i always play casual. Along with hating 10th and how it destroyed my firstborn space marine armies

[@nickkohlmann]

100% with you

[@Shrouded_reaper]

Manlet marines had to go, they've been horribly proportioned for a very long time now.

[@nickkohlmann]

@Shrouded_reaper From the very beginning, being a part of the entire universe. That's decades. The thing is; what everyone wanted was just a redesign. Not a new army inside the same faction that poorly just mangles them to the side and was supposed to aggressively push you to buy everything new so you could still play the tabletop at all. The execution of all this has been extremely, ridiculously chaotic and took almost a decade to be where people actually wanted it to go from the VERY start.

[@JohnathanJWells]

​@@nickkohlmann Sure, but with the way they did it they still had to go. Space Marines have terrible bloat even after they were taken out

[@dannydementia2542]

anyone know what the medical emergency was that made some one cry out in pain?

[@ulture]

dick exploded. saw a woman. tragic but happens every tournament. only way to avoid it would be to have those horse cock pumping machines on the doors so everyone's starting from a drained sac, equal footing yknow

[@wmandthings]

He fell on a model and it went up his bum 😔

[@SugaryCoyote]

​@@wmandthings A manta?

[@user-mr6mw5ri6z]

These games make me takes breaks from the games for MONTHS

[@gregoryseraphin1426]

My buddy is still on hiatus from a bad experience with a knight player who was being a dick.

[@roland2864]

This is my experience every time I play with a stranger at a GW store

[@jamesdo3086]

To be fair it’s Alex Harrison he’s a known cheater

[@cadet1ice]

Really?

[@jamesdo3086]

@@cadet1ice yeah lol he got banned for a bit

[@MrPotatoWaffles]

@@jamesdo3086 Didn't he get unbanned and won like loads of events since? If he was that bad, I'd have thought the TOs would have kept the ban. Maybe he's changed?

[@user-ot8yh9bh8l]

The Red voice is the Blue marked Player right?

[@greenghost2008]

Why didn't they just call a judge

[@FokkeWulfe]

As someone who doesn't play, I don't suppose anyone could explain? What's going on and what meta chasing is?

[@nudeood]

I don't know the exact context of this game, but it's a tournament/professional setting with cameras which means some money or prize is at stake. In warhammer you bring a selection of models up to a limit, obviously some models/combinations are more powerful than others. The powerful combinations are known as the 'meta', so meta chasing just means these two players have both brought the most powerful armies (i.e. not very fun at all to play against). The result is that the player who went first practically wiped out the opponent in the very first turn. The other player surrendered before they even got to move a single model - not exactly a very fun thing to watch or be a part of. On top of this, throughout the video one player is constantly questioning the other's rules, and double checking everything they're doing (including asking to re-roll a dice which had already rolled successfully). On the one hand double checking things and following the rules to the letter is not exactly wrong in a professional setting, but it wouldn't feel good to have your opponent constantly asking to check every thing you do, slowing down the game and essentially accusing you of trying to otherwise cheat or lying about a dice roll. The other player is obviously tired and doesn't really care to argue, but you can hear the frustration in his voice. In summary, not exactly a super advert for warhammer being a fun filled game with nice people

[@trialanderrorgaming5355]

This was the 9th edition where a lot of the rules were weird and if you use them in a dick way you would win a lot of people are actually assuming that this guy is marines died quickly but they didn't he had a lot of them in Droppods and most of his army was still alive but the ad mech army the other guy is playing has those big plans which when they drop bombs on you make you slow and basically every aspect meaning you basically can't play the game so if ad mech got first turn you lost thank God they changed it in 10th

[@richardpagel6959]

As an old 40k player, mainly played editions 3 to 5, with a very long tournament history, even being a former ETC champion with Team Germany once, I can just disapprove what 40k has become. Also how these 2 guys show off what "competitive" gaming is meant to look like nowadays. I mean these 2 guys probably had more discussions, cheating, trying stuff, nitpickiness during their deployment and first turn than I had during all of my ETC games together (being it 18 games as I participated 3 times the 40k ETC with Team Germany). At least they show to care about that injured guy.

[@DavidArce-qh8of]

This was painful to watch, to much crap going on for a game.

[@ColCoal]

I have never played but it seems stupid I have to use a tape measure to play a game.

[@SlappingCheeks]

I paint but have never played, is it really like this

[@usernamehandle]

Did lego yoga fall off the map?

[@mpepp9]

The most fun tables at a tournament are the bottom ones. Guys who have gone with zero hoping of winning, usually much more interesting armies, just there for the fun