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[@TrueChristian]

Thanks for hanging out with me Alex. I don’t care what anyone says about you from my side and I don’t care what any Catholics say about me. You are my friend and if people don’t like that. God bless and Go in peace

[@boi__7898]

I can respect that bro. Go in peace

[@VoiceOfReason_]

@@TrueChristian God bless you, my brother! I am so honored and humbled that you went all the way out there to watch the debate in person. Hanging out with you was so much fun and I want everyone to know that I admire you a lot. Thank you again for the beautiful icon! 🙏🏽

[@Darth_Leche]

Bruh you have said Mary aint the mother of God..this man is just not very intelligent on Church History. Hes a dollar tree apologist

[@darrellperez1029]

Mark 9:38-41. Amen. I believe this for both sides

[@DC-zz7fm]

If more Christians were a little more like you, the world would be a better place, and our religion much stronger. God bless you, my brother in Christ.

[@HipHopTV_Official]

Bro don't listen to the guy on the left, YOU SPANKED JAMES WHITE! I'm a reformed baptist and now I want to be a catholic. You were so good brother

[@tony1685]

from the frying pan into the fire. why not follow God's Word and honor and obey Exodus 20:8-11?

[@jorgebeltran342]

@@tony1685shut up Tony

[@fantasia55]

​@@jorgebeltran342 If unblocked, Tony turns every Catholic comment section into a JW forum.

[@lenaacosta8092]

1000% agreed from the beginning, opening, rebuttals, closing, “absolutes” and everything in between sincerely Brother Alex you represented ALLLL of Jesus Christ Holy Mother Church AMAZINGLY!!!!!!! Im so proud of you brother, my husband and I watched you with so much admiration from the Lord. Pure perfection and an excellent example of a God breathed debate. I wish I could’ve shared this comment in the main comments section. ¡VIVA CRISTO REY! ¡QUE VIVA!🙌🏽❤️‍🔥🫓🍷♥️📿🙏🏽

[@tony1685]

@@jorgebeltran342 Galatians 4:16 *Happy Sabbath!!!*

[@juneluk7554]

I 'am a devout Catholic . I love to read the bible. St. Jerome said ignorance to the bible is ignorance to Christ. I pray that all the Catholic will spend more time to read the word of God. Amen

[@TheTrustingGamer]

What I like about your debate style is that you are blunt when answering questions. You don’t try to play debate games and tactics but just simply state how something is and it’s refreshing to see.

[@TriuneGodofIsrael]

I can’t explain how much I loved that! Christ bless him

[@jamesjonse2976]

Yes! I love the fact that you were confident, and direct, and share a plethora of Scripture, with explanation , and respectful. Outstanding job!

[@JakePenick]

Mike is absolutely wrong! You can make absolute statements in a debate especially when they are true! And what you said about “God-breathed” is something that most people don’t think about, but it was SPOT ON! The reason he doesn’t like it is because it breaks down his false understanding of “God-breathed.” PLEASE DO NOT RETRACT ANYTHING YOU SAID! IT WAS AWESOME!

[@CrusaderApologetics]

Hello brother. I'm a former Protestant and I've not been exposed to too many of your videos yet but I watched your debate with James White and I must say I'm thoroughly impressed! You did an amazing job refuting Sola Scriptura, spoke with clarity and never went off topic. And most of all, you were very humble and charitable and truly emulated the person of Christ and represented us Catholics well. And I hear that this is your first major public debate which makes it all the more impressive. Thank you for this awesome debate and I hope to see more great debates from you in the future!

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Why on earth would you convert to catholicism?

[@protestant77]

@@CrusaderApologetics 🗣️SOLA SCRIPTURA‼️ 👉(Matthew 4:4) 👉(Isaiah 8:20) 👉(2Timothy 3:16) 👉(Isaiah 28:10) Peace be with 🙏🏽

[@MariaGarcia-el6ph]

@@protestant77 Hello! I wanted to ask how Isaiah 8:20 proves Sola Scriptura?

[@protestant77]

@@MariaGarcia-el6ph The Law = 10 Commandments! The Testimony = SACRED SCRIPTURE

[@protestant77]

@@MariaGarcia-el6ph The RCC claim to have changed the 10 Commandments 😳⁉️⁉️ And teach contrary to many scriptures 😞!

[@dianedoucet3005]

My favorite debate ever. I was on the edge of my seat the whole time. So refreshing.

[@maryjordan4129]

I loved Voice of Reason’s opening statement 10 points! Just sat here amazed at the eloquence of this young man. ¡Felicitaciones! ✝️

[@shamounian]

You can easily prove the church is God-breathed. John 20:21-22.

[@authorityfigure1630]

You are among the GOATs. Love you Sam

[@christopherventura]

You Sir are a Legend! When will we see you debate James White? I’d love to see you show him a couple things 😂

[@darrellperez1029]

Amen. Further in John 20:23.

[@themadtitan4550]

The GOAT 🔥🔥🙏🇻🇦✝️

[@shamounian]

@@christopherventura he won't debate me.

[@Socrates-apologist]

The debate was great honestly. For us life should be about following Christ, so a debate like this, where it is not about attacking the other person, but to show respect and reason from the scriptures in search of the truth, is super important for all of us. Gloria in excelsis Deo ✝️

[@ChristianCatholicMedia]

Confession and Mass before the debate was the Key. God Bless!

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

How was it key? It's not biblical.

[@slik_sean6346]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaithExplain how it isn’t?

[@andreeattieh2963]

​@@TheTruthsOfOurFaiththe bible is a catholic book

[@tony1685]

@@slik_sean6346 well, Christians 'confess' 3rd party sins to God Alone -- it's idolatry that this 'church' is practicing -- and blasphemy on his part. 'mass' is a day early and too much paganism involved.

[@muriel2267]

Imagine James White and Mike becoming Catholic! They’d be such a blessing for the Church 💪🏽✝️♥️🙏

[@samuelotache9239]

Catholicism is an error. James White is too knowledgeable to fall for it.

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

It looks like they have a great chance to. But after this video I can see how poor in spirit I am that looking at Christians through the denominational lense. And thinking I am beter than they are. Beautiful lesson learned from this video. How to apply it now then? I hope I will remember.

[@muriel2267]

@@AndreLeBlonde1 I fall into that line of thinking sometimes as well. I need to think of bringing them back to the one holy Apostolic Church is saving their soul. Because that’s what the Church teaches. Salvation is through the Catholic Church

[@myfakinusername]

@@muriel2267 At this point it's just pride. It's not easy to admit that you've been wrong all these years

[@rsissel1]

But would they? 🤔

[@purgatorean]

I like how Alex stuck to his guns when his friend Mike noted that Alex said something in the debate that no one should ever say in a debate. Mike recommended that Alex never say " if this happens then this is false". He was referring to what Alex said in the debate that if the Church ever sanctions homosexual marriage then the Catholic Church is false. But Alex came right back and reiterated that Catholics know that if the Magisterium ever teaches something opposite of what they taught before then that would indeed indicate that the Catholic Church is confused about what Truth is thus that would discredit the Church as being the True Church of God. Mike simply does not understand this. Protestants don't get it. Way to go Alex. Thank you for demonstrating such confidence tenacity in defending the Bride of Christ.

[@MariaGarcia-el6ph]

When you know that the Catholic Church is the true universal church established by Jesus, and that the Lord does not lie when he says the "gates of hell" shall not prevail against her, then you totally CAN make absolute statements like Alex did. I agree with you and with Alex on this. If Mike is cautious to make such a statement, can it be he has doubts about his own post-reformation beliefs?

[@purgatorean]

@@MariaGarcia-el6ph You said a mouthful and you hit the nail on the head. Mike is absolutely aware that many Protestant denominations have caved in to social demands and that those denominations would be well advised to heed that kind of advice. His advice speaks volumes about their ignorance of the Magisterium and Apostolic Succession. They deny the Power of the Keys because they do not possess the Keys. I have never financially supported a youtuber before, but I believe that Alex will be the first. I will be watching a few more of his videos before I make my decision but after that debate with White then I am convinced it would be the right move for me to do so.

[@joeyn985]

​@@MariaGarcia-el6ph"the gates of hell will not prevail" isn't talking about hell attacking the church. That verse has nothing to do with saying the church can never go astray or that a church can't become corrupt

[@dr.tafazzi]

@@joeyn985 that is the interpretation of that verse handed over to us by the Church fathers. By "corrupt" I assume you mean "it would teach against God's Word". Think of the neighboring verse: whatever Peter binds on Earth will be bound in heaven. Would heaven bind error?

[@matthewbroderick6287]

True Christian ministry said Alex should not bring up God breathed so often, but Holy Scripture itself teaches that God breathed is not limited to Holy Scripture! Alex was spot on for pointing this out! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!

[@jacobecklund3651]

It really showed that the basis of White's belief in sola scriptura was unsound. I'm glad Alex kept bringing it up. Dr. White didn't know how to deal with it.

[@KSTrekker]

I loved your debate with Dr. James White. You could tell that he was trying to throw his academic credentials around and kept slipping into Greek, a common tactic I see with Evangelicals. Sure you can exegete all you want, break it down into Latin, Greek, Aramaic, whatever, but it doesn’t change the truth. I thought you did an awesome job of representing Catholicism! I just subbed your channel. I was Evangelical for 40 years until a couple of years ago when I found the one, true, catholic, and apostolic Church. Praise be Jesus Christ!

[@gloriarobles0422]

Thank you Alex, I did watch the debate. There was much that was said and as a Catholic convert you represented us very well. I hope we gained new converts or even doubt from protestants so they can continue searching for the truth. 🙏❤

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Why would you want more converts. The carholic church lies. Catholics are sinners. God tells us in 1john3:6 that sinners don't know God or understand Him. So you pray that more people get led astray from God. That's terrible.😢

[@matthewbroderick6287]

I absolutely love how Alex challenged James White to provide evidence where Pope Francis teaches heresy and anything contrary to Church teaching or Canon Law or Holy Scripture! I have over 20 encyclicals and Biblical commentaries by Pope Francis and have come so much closer to Jesus Christ through them! I also loved when Alex says if all we need is Holy Scripture, why did James White write over 20 books to help us understand Holy Scripture better! Even though James White will never admit that his own interpretations are not infallible! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink!

[@stephenler3850]

You did Great Alex 👍 Praise to Our Lord Jesus for raising up young people like you , for defending the ONE and ONLY TRUE HOLY APOSTOLIC CATHOLIC CHURCH.

[@TrueChristian]

Alex, the saddest part of these comments is all the people who dislike me based on my tone and body language as if they know me. While you have spent hours around me and know me. It demonstrates how many Christians. Catholic or Protestant care more about others than their own faith. May the LORD forgive them all.

[@darrellperez1029]

@TrueChristian But Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. 40 For the one who is not against us is [a]for us. I believe this wholeheartedly. I once called a protestant brother. He flat put refused me. That is what sucks between both of us. We forget who we serve. Though I agree, sometimes, I, too, get caught up. But it's how Christ said, "If they are not against us, it is for us." I know you mean well. And I hope your followers are as welcoming as you are in your comment section, too. Pax.

[@lilyd5596]

How do YT comments provide proof that people care more about others than their own faith? Would your comment here …criticizing those people….mean you care about others than your own faith?

[@TrueChristian]

@@lilyd5596 read their comments and figure it out.

[@TrueChristian]

@@lilyd5596 out of the mouth the abundance of the heart pours

[@lilyd5596]

@@TrueChristian haven’t read them. But your 6-word reply wasn’t very friendly. Where should we judge your faith according to your measuring stick? Is there a line that gets crossed...mean vs friendly comments… that decides where a person’s heart lies? Who gets to judge that? We all know very friendly atheists who write in happy-face emojis. And there are plenty of very faithful Christians who don’t have a gift for communication or get angry from time to time. Is there a dividing point that proves a person does or doesn’t “care about their faith more than other people?” What about the way a comment gets perceived?

[@rolandoinfante5494]

The one think o loved os seeing the unity between different beliefs coming together and not let the difference destroy their relationships

[@HellenicPapist]

You did God’s work, Alex. You’re a blessing to the faith. I pray Dr. White sees his errors and comes to the truth. He’ll even have an infinitely easier time in debates defending the _actual truth._

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Since when is doing God's work lying? How do you know he is doing God's work. God says that your lying and so is Alex. All catholics are sinners. God tells us in 1john3:6 that sinners don't know God or understand Him. So you are calling God a liar. Catholics dont know God.

[@HellenicPapist]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith I can just as easily put the shoe on the other foot and say the exact same thing about you, and that you’re the one Paul is describing when he wrote to Timothy: “If any one teaches otherwise and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching which accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit, he knows nothing; he has a morbid craving for controversy and for disputes about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, base suspicions, and wrangling among men who are depraved in mind and bereft of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.” ‭‭1 Timothy‬ ‭6‬:‭3‬-‭5‬ ‭

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@@HellenicPapist Well, actually you can't because I am not a sinner. I know God and His word. I understand God. I have never taught anything different then the word of God. So no that does not apply.

[@HellenicPapist]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith Really? You’re not a sinner? “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” ‭‭1 John‬ ‭1‬:‭8‬ ‭

[@HellenicPapist]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith And apparently you’re also infallible? You also sound like this kind of person Paul was warning: “For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own likings, “and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander into myths.” ‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4‬:‭3‬-4

[@alexandregb566]

The best part was when a guy asked if the Catholic Church ever contradicted the Bible, and you just answered: No!

[@dylanschweitzer18]

That was my second favorite moment behind the hug 😭

[@tony1685]

yet when it pretends the 1st day is the Lord's day it is contradicting both the OT and NT.

[@BensWorkshop]

@@tony1685 We've had this conversation so many times. I have even pointed you to explanations and quotes from Saint Paul. And yet you persist in believing that Jesus abandoned his Church to error until the mid 19th century, when he promised to guide it in all truth. By so saying you are calling Jesus a liar.

[@Knight-of-the-Immaculata]

@@tony1685 Tony, you missed the boat but it’s not too late. Stop believing a fake woman from the 19th century and believe Jesus instead. Leave your cult and join a community of love.

[@cantrait7311]

@@tony1685hey Tony the seven dayer Still waiting for you to answer my question Why you follow the female version of Hitler? Waiting

[@dsonyay]

The point where you held up a stack of papers and said “I have the proof right here in writing” when questioned about some pre-Vatican 2/Nicene creed information.. I’ve never seen James White looks so defeated in my life. And this was probably the most crushing defeat of White, protestantism, and a a great defense of the Catholic Church doctrine Ive seen in years

[@that_boi_BK]

After seeing the full debate between you and Dr. White, its such a blessing watching this afterward with yet another Christian theologian I love. Blessings all around, y'all know your doing the good work.

[@maryjordan4129]

I respectfully disagree with Mike as far as elder brother schooling the young man as Alex clearly won that debate.

[@EmmaNewton-jj5nr]

I really enjoyed this video! I love how even though there are different beliefs, you guys can still come together and support each other!❤

[@SouthernFriedPap1st]

I remember when Fr. Pacwa debated Walter Martin on John Ankenberg's show. I was not a Catholic then so you know who I was pulling for. However, the two became lifelong friends and Mr. Martin's wife called Fr. Pacwa when he passed away.

[@Electric_]

I thought you did so excellent. I have listened to James White for many years, including over 20 years ago when I was a teenager with Protestant parents. Candidly, I didn’t buy his arguments 100% as a Protestant. Something always seemed off about them or there was a pressing question that was unanswered. Now I understand why that is. But you were totally thorough in this debate and there was nothing off or unanswered. The only recommendation I have is if you ever debate Dr. White again is to press him on the false Pope stuff pushed by the crazy sedevacantists and “rad Trads” who go overboard.

[@jjwurtz]

I think most debates James White does he knows exactly what people are going to say. Since he didn’t know you he didn’t have the rebuttals he usually uses. Keep doing what you are doing, don’t become an apologist like the rest. You be you!!

[@VividVisions3]

Voice of Reason you heavy cooked him

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

I think cooked isn't applicable to this video. For the debate yeah, but this one? Christians seeking for unity? That is so bigger than me. I just look for the reason to prove the other side is wrong. How many of us like this here?

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

How so? Does voice of reason know God? Voice of reason is a sinner. 1john3:6 tells us that sinners don't know God or understand Him? So if alex doesn't know God, then how did he cook him?

[@VividVisions3]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith fair point. However, voice of reason knows Gods Word, the history of the church, etc. Voice of reason used, well, reason along with his prestigious knowledge of the church, the popes, and of course, the Bible.

[@darrellperez1029]

@TheTruthsOfOurFaith you mean to tell me that you are sin LESS?

[@KingJunie]

@@darrellperez1029Catholics are so arrogant

[@patarelquiroz]

Great debate Alex! You did a great job, there is great hope in the future of Catholic Apologetics. Glory to Christ 🇻🇦

[@maryjordan4129]

Great to see you all together. You are all a great example of Christian camaraderie ✝️😄

[@lenaacosta8092]

From the beginning, opening, rebuttals, closing, “absolutes” and everything in between sincerely Brother Alex you represented our Catholic Christian faith [The one True Church Jesus Christ established] AMAZINGLY!!!!!!! Im so proud of you brother, my husband and I watched you with so much admiration from the Lord. One of my favorite moments was your respect, honor and humility for Dr. white. Pure perfection and an excellent example of a God breathed debate - your comfortability was felt through and through because the Holy Spirit was speaking directly through you. You were on point, confident, direct, humble; you didn’t miss a beat (don’t let anyone tell you different). Your Protestant brother can have his opinions but you represented God’s Truth beautifully 👏🏽 Love learning from you brother Alex✊🏽¡VIVA CRISTO REY! ¡QUE VIVA!🙌🏽❤️‍🔥🫓🍷♥️📿🙏🏽

[@menoftheclothKTOG]

The protestant brother here coming to understand the truth of that "absolute statement" is HUGE! It should motivate a hard core dive into church history and teaching to trace the them back all the way to the apostles. Hint: This is what many, many, times brings our separated brothers home.

[@maxwellke2030]

"Heaven and Earth will pass away but my Word will not" reflect on That

[@georginatalamo2451]

The absolute statement won me over to Alex 100%

[@menoftheclothKTOG]

@@maxwellke2030 Upon reflection, the NT scriptures rarely discuss the WOG as written teaching but as Christ himself. Otherwise, as in the case of the passage you present, there also is not an indication of reffering to writ but to all the teaching, instruction, commands of God. All the word of God in view and is his revealed word to his people, not only that of his word that was committed to writing.

[@jd3jefferson556]

This was my favorite debate from James White. It seemed like you guys really got into some interesting subjects, and not just the same old Protestant vs Catholic talking points. This might be my favorite theological debate I've ever seen, but I am biased since I've met Alex and have sat in his Catechism class. Good on you Alex, hopefully I see you at OLoPH soon.

[@monicarodriguez1669]

Alex you did exactly what was needed. I'm glad your good with feed back but the Holy Spirit had you emphasize exactly what was needed. The Holy Spirit needed people to hear what you said. Great job!!

[@NotSoCradleCatholic]

We can state an absolute in regards to the magisterium teaching something heretical disproving Catholicism because God Himself spoke in an absolute when He said “…the gates of Hell will not prevail against it.”

[@robertwilson4266]

Your willingness to put your self out there is inspirational, I have been In the church since birthday , but to have the likes of your self giving me great information, it makes my journey easier to understand, ( well done on your debate)

[@proudpatriot6567]

I've been showing everyone at my church! You did excellent! God won through you! ❤

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

How exactly did God win? Alex is a sinner. According to God 1john3:6 sinners don't know God or understand Him. So are you saying that God won by Alex lying?😢😢😢 So sad.

[@proudpatriot6567]

@TheTruthsOfOurFaith God won because Alex spoke the truth about God. Because he went in with the Holy Spirit in him. So sad you can't see that.

[@protestant77]

@@proudpatriot6567 🗣️SOLA SCRIPTURA‼️ 👉(Matthew 4:4) 👉(Isaiah 8:20) 👉(2Timothy 3:16) 👉(Isaiah 28:10) Peace be with 🙏🏽

[@rookiedriver6770]

The confidence about saying if the Church comes out and contradicts itself it means it’s false come from Jesus saying “the gates of hell shall not prevail against it” (the Church)

[@joeyn985]

That verse doesn't mean that, though. "The gates of hell" was a specific location where Jesus was preaching where pagans were sacrificing animals. And Jesus was saying that His church would prevail against them. That His Church would win.

[@digita1aj]

Youre too humble Alex and Ive learned a lot from you. That made me a real subscriber and hoping to learn from you more.

[@Jerammie.Beltran]

I love it bro! You are breaking barriers. Keep up the great content. 😃👊🏾

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Why are you congratulating alex for lying?

[@digita1aj]

“Lets pretend you got the one true church…” I can still see pride gets in the way 😇

[@Anthony-jx6wz]

So good to see Christians united despite differences

[@cantrait7311]

Great job Alex! Respect to you For doing the debate You won over the Baptist crowd with your knowledge and humility

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

What knowledge? All he did was lie. Alex is a sinner. God tells us in 1john3:6 that sinners don't know God or understand Him. So if alex doesn't know God then what did he teach? Obviously he didn't teach about God.

[@andreeattieh2963]

​@@TheTruthsOfOurFaithblah blah blah

[@Bythegraceofgod1646]

17:20 Catholic-Curious Protestant here belonging to the Presbyterian tradition (PCA church). I am so grateful for this debate. The Lord used James White (& other men at Apologia) to initially bring me to Christ through debates against atheists about 7 years ago. In the last couple months, the Lord has used James White’s debates again, but this time to convict me through his debates with Catholics regarding sola scriptura & the authority of the Church. Thank you, Alex, for your presentation of Catholicism *and* your respect for James White… I must say, it is easier to hear your reasons when you reason in love! You were not a noisy gong. That said, I put the timestamp for what @truechristian said because I agreed. It was the one moment of the debate that Alex’s argument felt a stretch to me. He may be right in what he taught, but if so, I didn’t understand the way it was explained. I hope Alex will make a video for @voiceofreason and follow-up with a recant/walk back of what he said, or simply to clarify and elaborate in order to help bring understanding to those of us who are Protestant and never heard theonostos spoken of like that before.

[@thebenzaga]

I don’t think Mike understands the whole “God-Breathed” part. Alex was trying to say that the protestant understanding of the term is incomplete. And that being theopneustos doesn’t necessarily mean what protestants think it means when the bible calls scripture theopneustos

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

I don't think alex understands anything about God. Let's listen to what God says. 1john3:6 sinners don't know God or understand Him. Since alex is a sinner then it's impossible for him to know anything about God.

[@jesusrosary9067]

​@@TheTruthsOfOurFaithwe are all sinners

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@@jesusrosary9067 We have all sinned but we don't all stay sinners. Paul teaches in Romans that Jesus fulfilled the law and because He fulfilled the Law it has ended. Paul also teaches that since there is no law, there is no sin. Paul teaches in Galatians that if you rebuild the law after Jesus ended it then not only are you a sinner but you are condemned. Jesus tells us many times including the narrow door passage that sinners will be told, get away from me all you who do evil. I never knew you. So although we have all sinned, some people have been set free from sin by believing in Jesus.

[@fantasia55]

God-Breathed was a common term back then, used to describe various people and things.

[@thebenzaga]

@@fantasia55 yes and VoR makes the point that protestants sometimes use the term to mean something that isn’t a necessary result of being godbreathed

[@LloydBenitezDeGuzman]

YOu are filled with Holy Spirit brother. I am a Catholic Faith Defender here in the Philippines...May God bless you and keep inspiring fellow catholics. I watch the whole debate of yours to Dr. White.

[@Phoenixmagnus]

Poor Mike, coping. I think what Alex said regarding God breathed is a great way explaning it

[@Sixpenny2480]

Hey man it's great seeing you on here. We were mutuals on tiktok. God bless

[@Phoenixmagnus]

@@Sixpenny2480 were?

[@Sixpenny2480]

@Phoenixmagnus I deleted tiktok. Got tired of debating Protestants

[@AlwaysCatholic]

Yeah, I was watching live and many comments were definitely distasteful. It’s sad that many would rather choose to argue rather than listen. However, there were also some people who were incredibly kind and really excited for the debate

[@xxfreshpineapplesxx]

The Protestant ignored Alex’s claim. He’s the one who brought it up😂 yet had nothing to say on the matter because he knows he couldn’t argue Alex’s point on the infallible teachings of the church🎉🎉🎉

[@protestant77]

@@xxfreshpineapplesxx 🗣️SOLA SCRIPTURA‼️ 👉(Matthew 4:4) 👉(Isaiah 8:20) 👉(2Timothy 3:16) 👉(Isaiah 28:10) Peace be with 🙏🏽

[@slowmo405]

@@protestant772 Thessalonians 2:15 . God bless

[@protestant77]

@@slowmo405 Amen! There’s nothing wrong with traditions, as long as it doesn’t contradict scripture!

[@colemcgill3845]

Massive props dude you did great. Glory to God.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

How is this glorifying God? Alex is a sinner. God tells us in 1john3:6 that sinners don't know God or understand Him. So how is alex glorifying God by lying?😢 That's not glory.

[@colemcgill3845]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith If that's what you took away from this debate and conversation then you are truly lost. You come to this comment section looking for confrontation rather than pursuing the truth.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@@colemcgill3845 This is the problems with catholics. You dont want to know the truth. It is a sincere question. How is Alex Glorifying God? If you were truthful you could answer that but you can't. Your deceiving yourself. Glorifying God means telling the truth. CAtholics are sinners and that is stopping you from knowing God. I would think that if you wanted to know God you would want to know the truth wherever it leads. Why do you follow a sinner?

[@bm2_852]

Alex we need a sam shamoun collab asap

[@johnchung6777]

What I can’t understand is that why are there so so many many different denominations and they all understand interpret and worship God differently and disagree with each other and yet claim that the Holy Spirit is with them,now can anyone tell me if God can possibly be divided in his teachings and way of life and his church and his people is there anywhere in scriptures that reveals this?🤔

[@andreeattieh2963]

A protestant told me to listen to James white I started laughing and said the same James white who is so bad at debating his own sister became catholic because of him It's insane

[@jfgskaintayo8167]

Mystery of Catholic faith 🙏❤️

[@mmbtalk]

@@andreeattieh2963 True conversion is the work of the Holy Spirit, that is why Paul was not dependent on his eloquence when preaching the gospel (1 Corinthians 2:1-4)

[@andreeattieh2963]

@mmbtalk that's why I'm catholic because God and scripture lead me to the catholic church

[@mmbtalk]

@@andreeattieh2963 for me I am led the opposite direction

[@andreeattieh2963]

@mmbtalk because you don't know what the catholic church teaches

[@bluewaters1991]

Well done Alex, you glorify God and you edify His Catholic Church! Thank you!

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

And how exactly did he do that???? Alex is a sinner. God tells us 1john3:6 that sinners don't know God or understand Him. So how was it edifying God for Alex to lie about Him?😢😢

[@bluewaters1991]

Sinners all we are, conceded. But once restored to grace through the sacrament of confession, we can glorify God once again. Alex went to confession and received the Lord Jesus in the Eucharist as his spiritual preparation for the debate. Is God not glorified in that? So now, can you point out and list down the lies which you allege Alex told about God in that debate?

[@protestant77]

@@bluewaters1991 (Matthew 4:4) ➕(Isaiah 8:20) (2Timothy 3:16) ➕(Isaiah 28:10) 🟰SOLA SCRPTURA! ✔️ Peace be with 🙏🏽

[@yvetteestevez8660]

27:01. I found Mike to be a bit egocentric at this moment. After Alex elaborated, mike expressed himself to be childlike in the middle of a serious conversation.. I’ve heard it takes a lot of maturity to be catholic and very respectfully I see it here. Prayers for Mike 🙏

[@maxwellke2030]

I don't see the egocentric part tho, You wanted him to affirm the statement made? or what exactly did you want him to do. Him not affirming it makes him egocentric huh, you're sounding the horn" Judge not by appearance but with the right judgement"

[@PalermoTrapani]

I did go to this Mike Fellow's Channel and watched He and another guy do a debate review to get a protestant perspective on Alex's debate with James White (rather than go to Kelly Powers site who I think also did one). One thing I pointed out at Mike's channel is that Alex is new in debates and noted when He got into the debate with James White regarding the word "theopneustos", which means "God breathed or inspired" (2 Timothy 3:16) and then went to another passage (John 20:20-21) which speaks of God breathing, it starts out with as the Father sent me, I send You and then He (Christ) breathed into (enephusēsen is the word here) and said Receive the Holy Spirit and gave them authority to forgive sins. I 100% think Alex was correct, but not as clear. Alex correctly noted that the Catholic Church states that the Sacred Scripture Has God as its Author and that it is the Inspired Word of God. The CCC (1992, Article 3) clearly says that (CCC para. 105) and that God inspired human authors of the Sacred Books (CCC para 106). But regarding the interpretation to interpret Apostolic Tradition (Sacred Scripture or Tradition), "the authority" (God Breathed as well) has been given to the Bishops of the Church in communion with the Bishop of Rome. But, that does not mean the Magesterium superior to the Apostolic Tradition (which includes Sacred Scripture) but it has been Divinely established by Christ and guided by the Holy Spirit to preserve, defend and Define Doctrine. So distinguishing "theopneustos" (2 Timothy 3:16) from "enephusēsen" (John 20:22) was possible to refute James White did regarding 2 Timothy 3:16 and Alex using John 20:22 about God breathing into the Apostles was correct because that is giving them authority and reinforces Mt 16:18-19 where Peter is given the keys (symbol of teaching authority) and also the ability to bind. When I pointed that out, one fellow, maybe a mod at Mike's channel, said well well Peter was not even n Rome. I said the Early Church Fathers are unanimous that Peter (and Paul) were in Rome (Saints Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch, Saint Irenaeus of Lyons, Saint Clement of Alexandria, etc). The response well the Church Fathers are of of ?.authenticity. Protestants relied on Sola Scriptura but in the 19th century Protestant Patristic scholars when British Archeologist found manuscripts that were brought back to the UK and Protestant Patristic Scholars analyzed them, they were authenticated. These would include Philip Scaff (Reformed), JD Lightfoot (Anglican), Adolph Von Harnack (Lutheran), Theodore Zahn (German-Reformed) thus there is now a consensus on what is authentic among them is in agreement with the Catholic and Orthodox Scholars. Only a few American bible fundamentalist in Rural USA are the ones on social media saying otherwise. I was told well I need to study more like "He has", HA! I then said ok, I don't own any protestant Biblical commentaries. I noted that most protestants that I have run into say (as Catholics do) that Revelation 17:9-18 refers to Pagan Rome (7 Hills) and the rulers (7 Kings). Some interpret the 6th to be Nero, some Domitian (81 to 96 AD) so who is the 7th depends on who u think is the 6th. Well then when 1 Peter 5:13 speaks of Peter writing to Mark from Babylon, the same Protestants will say well that does not mean Rome! This is the mental gymnastics that fundamentalist and evangelical me and my Bible protestants do to twist there way out of calling imperial Rome as Babylon in Revelation 17:9-18 because 1 Peter 5:13 speaks of Peter writing to Mark from Babylon (Rome). After that last comment, I was asked to leave by the mod there and my post was deleted. Just my experience over at that Site others may have a different one. Cheers and God Bless

[@jessetoler8171]

Superb work Alex. I had no idea who you were until I saw the debate and now I and a subscriber.

[@borneandayak6725]

I'm new subscriber here. You do well in that debate.

[@henrylimnyuy3195]

I love the friendship ❤. God Is Love

[@bobthebuildest6828]

i think you were fine on the God breathed, you were pointing out that the sense in which the word is used is much weaker than the protestants want trent horn has been showing the same thing from a different angle

[@kings-Rex]

Twas a smash. You smoked him. I love and got a lot from your humility

[@samuelotache9239]

He lost to James White. This channel says he won because it is an echo chamber of Catholic.

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

​@@samuelotache9239 Hi brother, could you explain why he lost? I think that Alex won, but I am biased. Would be nice to know your opinion. I think the point of the debate was to establish the friendship and profess common belief in Jesus Christ, therefore finding way to God together.

[@georgegibon4937]

@@AndreLeBlonde1Good thinking, discussions nowadays are all about cooking and schooling.

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

@@georgegibon4937 Yeah. I am guilty of this more than I ever realize. This video shows three amazing role models, whether you protestant or Catholic.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

​@AndreLeBlonde1 what you don't understand is alex is a sinner. God tells us in 1john3:6 that sinners don't know God or understand Him. So because alex is a sinner he did not tell anyone the truth about God. It is impossible for alex to talk about God when he doesn't know God.

[@henrylimnyuy3195]

Alex Nailed it. But the biggest win was the humility on both side. Alex was humble debating a ledgend while Dr white was humble by Alex intelligence. Im a Catholic and i think Dr white will make a good catholic.

[@hokage6984]

Thanks for sharing ❤

[@williammcenaney1331]

Alex debated admirably. Since my background is in logic, computer science, and philosophy, I can hold my own when discussing natural theology with an atheist. But a public debate would stress me out. Alex knows much more than I do. So, I'll research and write privately.

[@hervedavidh4117]

Alex, you did great and clear. As always Mr White instead of proving sola scriptura, tried to disprove catholicism by spreading errs about the pope and the DDF prefect. Lately it is always his thing and it is getting tiresome.

[@paularnold3745]

At about 22 : 30: I would like to add that since Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church and also promised that the Holy Spirit would remind the Church of all that He taught and lead the Church to all truth; if His One true Church ever taught something false (regarding Divine revelation) then not only would His Church be false, but Jesus would also be false, because His promise about the guidance of the Holy Spirit would be untrue and his promise about the gates of hell not prevailing would be broken. The great apostasy, theory, used by some groups (like Jehovah Witnesses and LDS) to justify the need for their existence, ultimately ends up discredited Jesus himself, because Jesus is intimately connected to His Church.

[@thecatechumen]

I will say, I had to slow it down from 3x to 2x speed when watching y'all debate because of how fast you talked.

[@julielabrecque6416]

Alex, you were AWESOME!!

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

Alex you smashed it. You're humble and on fire for our Lord Jesus Christ. I would take the constructive feedback you got from our protestant friend with a pinch of salt. You represented our faith wonderfully. Thsnk you brother. Edit: you have quickly become my favourite Catholic applogist.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

What faith did alex represent? He definitely didn't represent God. Alex is a sinner. God tells us in 1john3:6 that sinners don't know God or understand Him. Since alex doesn't represent God he had to represent the devil.

[@YeshuaIsLord7777]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith I'll pray for you. Alex did a great job of representing Jesus Christ and the one true church that he built. To reiterare, I pray that you find our Lord.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@@YeshuaIsLord7777 This is the problem, God disagrees with you and alex. How can you even pray for me? God tells us that He doesn't know sinners. If you belong to the one true church you should be able to answer this.

[@HenryDurth]

That debate was a slam dunk for catholicism.

[@christopherneedham9584]

My struggle with this take is that when @Voice of reason said "If the catholic church said that homosexuality is ok, then Sola Scriptura is true", In order to make that statement, regardless of whether or not he believes it ever will happen, he has to assume that Sola Scriptura is true, and is of greater authority than the church. Otherwise the answer would be "If the catholic church said that homosexuality is ok, then we have been misunderstanding the bible for most of history". So really, James managed to make Voice of Reason affirm sola scriptura during cross, so James White seems to have won because of that admission. Here is the logic to why. Protestants are criticized for supposedly submitting scripture to their private interpretation, which the Catholic asserts is invalid. Some Catholics go so far as to affirm that no scripture can really be understood without the guidance of the church. So, if the church infallibly defined, lets say Romans 1 and other anti homosexuality passages as "not referring to same sex relationships" or even "Not referring to the same type of relationships". Then the intellectually honest Catholic must accept that to be fact, They would also be required to accept it as part of the deposit of faith and affirm it as true. If you are willing to break fellowship with the Catholic church for literally any decision, then you do not actually believe that what the catholic church is the voice of God.

[@HenryDurth]

@@christopherneedham9584 He didn't say that. You misquoted him. He said catholicism is false if we said gay marriage is ok. He already established sola scriptura as not true and proved it. Also his point is that the catholic church is the true church of god therefore it will never allow a thing like this to happen in the first place.

[@christopherneedham9584]

@@HenryDurth Yes, and how would he know if the catholic church is false if they say that homosexuality is ok?

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Your right. It was a slam dunk for the devil!😢😢😢 Alex is a sinner. 1john3:6 tells us that sinners don't know God or understand Him. Since alex doesn't know God it was a slam dunk for the devil.😢😢😢😢

[@darrellperez1029]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith so, you're without sin?

[@chukulan]

Is Mike wearing a Crucifix?

[@carrenpalmer3453]

1020s/1930s: birth control & eugenics have a scary and entwining connection; also great to see coming together of Christians whether debate or discussions; I work for a very large Corp and can't even start to explain some of the mandatory trainings that 10's of 1,000's in my firm alone, have to take with very little next to nil emphasis on tolerance of the Christian faith in the workplace/everyday living, yet covers (metaphorically speaking) everything else under the 'rainbow' with heavy emphasis on secular leaning & imo, extension of the college/university systems. Edited for spelling boo boo

[@paveli1181]

I am a Protestant, and the debate was beautiful. Dialectics is the enemy's method of pushing sides to extremes and sowing divisions. So, having a spirit of humility and love is necessary when utilizing this evil method. Great job. Regarding "theopneustos," I see that Alex was generous with his interpretation, but he raised some valid points. Another argument is that the "scriptures" that Paul is referring to are most likely the Septuagint, not the canon accepted by Protestants.

[@SeanScott-cx8mx]

Alex I think you are the one who can bring Dr. White into the Church...Dr. White needs to come into the fullness of the faith in the Catholic Church.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Why would you want that?

[@SeanScott-cx8mx]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith Because Christ started one Church, and I pray that all come to the fullness of faith in the one Catholic Church.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@SeanScott-cx8mx So would it be fair to say that the true church would have to be truthful? Because if rhat is true the the catholic church is not the true church. 1john3;6 tells us that sinners don't know God or understand Him. So because of that, that means that catholicism is false. All catholics are sinners, Including popes and bishops. So the pope could not be infallible because He is a sinner. As a sinner the pope doesn't know God or understand Him.

[@SeanScott-cx8mx]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith Of course the "true" church would have to be "truthful," however, you present a false premise when referring to 1 John 3:6. The one Church built by Christ (Matthew 16:18) is the the pillar and foundation of truth (1 Timothy 3:15). 1 John 3:6 is not referring to the Church universal, it is referring to individuals, and as Paul taught, all have sinned (actual sin) and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Christ did not teach that his Church would not include sinners and the context of 1 John 3:6 does not teach that members of the Church do not sin, 1 John 3:6 teaches that those who continue in sin have not seen him and do not know (ginosko) him. There are sinners in the Catholic Church but it does not change the fact that the Catholic Church has been in existence for 2,000 years. The Catholic Church defined the doctrine of the Trinity in 325 AD at the Council of Nicaea under the authority of Pope Sylvester and it was the Catholic Church that compiled, preserved, and canonized the books of the Bible in 382 AD under the authority of Pope Damasus. Members of the Church do indeed sin, but those sinners do not mean the Church isn't true. The Pope is not infallible. I have no idea where you came up with that, but no Pope is infallible. You have obviously been taught nonsense about scripture, considering you presented a false premise and you have a complete lack of understanding of the Pope.

[@johnchrysostom330]

Alex, YT channel "BRBC Media" had posted the debate days ahead of yours. 90% of the comments said you won. When I saw your own video, I came back to that channel. The comments were turned off.

[@G.Valen72]

Amazing crew hahaha great job gentlemen!

[@jayb7154]

anyone else looking for Sam Shamoun’s comment? 😅

[@ballz6211]

He must have deleted it

[@shamounian]

Alex, WHY ARE YOU DELETING MY COMMENTS?

[@regostMMA]

BECAUSE YOURE BEHAVING LIKE A MAN-CHILD, I USED TO BE BEHAVE THE SAME WAY YOURE BEHAVING NOW WHEN I WAS 12 AND ATHEIST. Grow up.

[@EM-cw9eh]

@@shamounian he might not be. KZbin just deletes, or refuses to send, some comments. I don’t know why.

[@fer52993]

Sam you would get destroyed in a debate with Mike, stop idolizing idols

[@Shiharu597]

Sam, that Mike “pastor” is talking bad stuff about you in his tiktok since he has a lot of followers there. I stopped following him because simply he is an hypocrite base on his response

[@Shiharu597]

@@fer52993shut up bro … Sam does not need to debate with a nobody

[@davidnikolovlekes5353]

@VoiceOfReason_ Brother can you do REBBUTAL or DEBATE on ISAIAH SALDIVAR’s attack on catholic faith?

[@leoashura8086]

James White would be a beast if he became Catholic and defended the Catholic Faith.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Why would anyone want to be condemned? Catholics are sinners. According to God,1john3:6 sinners don't know God or understand Him.

[@protestant77]

@@leoashura8086 🗣️SOLA SCRIPTURA‼️ 👉(Matthew 4:4) 👉(Isaiah 8:20) 👉(2Timothy 3:16) 👉(Isaiah 28:10) Peace be with 🙏🏽

[@marcuslow1386]

Not if he continue to debate in an uncharitable manner!

[@georginatalamo2451]

Sincere Protestants can make for the best Catholics

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@@georginatalamo2451 I am curious why you think that?

[@Continentalphilosophyrules]

Internet Christianity sometimes leaves a lot to be desired, but you guys do one thing so essential to Christianity so very well: brotherhood.

[@protestant77]

@@Continentalphilosophyrules (Matthew 4:4) ➕(Isaiah 8:20) (2Timothy 3:16) ➕(Isaiah 28:10) 🟰SOLA SCRPTURA! ✔️

[@AmbiguousMotion]

I agree you cannot say if Pope teaches something contradicting previous teaching then catholicism is done. Remember, we are all the Church. Also, remember we might be put to trial by God. And first and foremost: we must preserve the Deposit of Faith. Anything taught against Deposit Of Faith by anyone is void by definition.

[@nickoru1]

Oh my gosh, I don’t like this Mike guy. He sounds like he’s extremely jealous and he’s attacking you with no real basis. You killed it with that debate!!

[@maxwellke2030]

You don't like him 😂😂😂 okay well well, "extremely jealous" Sounds a horn, judge not by appearance but with the right judgement.

[@nickoru1]

@@maxwellke2030 what??? lol

[@alexs.5107]

Great stuff

[@timboslice980]

Alex did great, i was praying for him, i will watch every debate he does. I thought we would see Jeff Durbin going around with James White maybe one day take over in his shoes. The future of calvinism isnt looking great on the apologetics front. There’s so few that seem on Dr. White’s caliber.

[@appleromas694]

Very soon Mike will attend the Holy Mass 🤣🤣🤣, i saw his cross.

[@paddydobbs2318]

Genuine question I'd like addressed if you would be so kind, so Catholic religions say they do not worship Mary but simply venerate her, my issue is this, the word venerate comes from the Latin venerātus meaning to worship. Look forward to an educated reasoning if possible. Thank you in advance and blessings

[@MariaGarcia-el6ph]

That is not the only meaning in Latin of veneratus. Other meanings include "to pay honor to", "to solicit the good will of", etc. There is more than one inference in venerate. Blessings.

[@BrandonAbrahams-nt6qr]

Voice of reason I'm not trying to make trouble but that true chirstian ministry is abit salty I thought you did great and there is one true church the holy catholic church

[@minorityvoice9253]

No he is exactly right, that if God is breathed into us we are God breathed. This is why the Church gives us the Bible and it isn't dropped out of the sky. The scriptures comes from the human element of God.

[@MrMannemanu]

Im a protestant priest. But it is starting to get really hard to stay Protestant…

[@sciencebehindthebible]

I feel you!

[@brxxklynn_]

Nahh, you weren’t loud or aggressive. I felt like that was more the case for Dr. White😅

[@CesarRicardoChavez]

Alex I hope you meet Padre Luis Toro one day and pick his brain . Great job brother you are only going to get better as the Holy Spirit guides you to preach the truth. ✝️⛪️

[@liliabrizuela2569]

The defense on our Christian Catholic you did great and that’s the way it should be, we must defend, protect, and proof the history of our one and only religion / church ⛪️ funded in the person of Peter in Mathew 16, 18. In the year 33.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

Too bad what you said is false. Christ church existed before peter. Look it up

[@darrellperez1029]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith before Luther too

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@@darrellperez1029 Jesus Christ is the head of Christianity. Since Jesus is God that means the Christian church has always existed, before luther, before Peter , before Abraham. God taught Adam and eve that being saved was by faith alone in the Garden of Eden. So the very same faith alone goes all the way back to the very beginning.

[@darrellperez1029]

@TheTruthsOfOurFaith faith? Did they have faith ir HID FROM? The bible too affirms that Christ IS the Church.

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@darrellperez1029 can you please retype yout message I can't make it out. It looks a little garbled. Thanks

[@joeyn985]

I just wanna commend everyone involved here, Mike, Alex, and Dr White - the grace and love shown between people who disagree should be an example to other Christians. The savage fighting going on in the comments of this debate between Christians is embarrassing, and not in accordance with the conduct if the participants.

[@rosendoislas7915]

What is the point of a pastor if they believe in sola scriptura? I’m catholic and we believe in the authority of the church, yet Protestants contradict themselves because they celebrate the word of god in a church and there are pastors that read the Bible and try to “guide” them per say, doesn’t that contradict there belief in sola scriptura? Does that make the pastors role invalid because it is encouraged for all Protestants to follow no man and just read the Bible?

[@christopherventura]

Alex did an Amazing Job, wish I wash a quarter of the man he is! On his way to becoming a Legendary defender of the One True Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church!

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

What are you talking about? The true church existed before the catholic church.

[@christopherventura]

@@TheTruthsOfOurFaith Hahaha read Matthew 16: 15-19 where Jesus Founded the One True Holy Catholic & Apostolic Church. But I’m sure you’ll say something ignorant to justify your interpretation of the verse 😂

[@TheTruthsOfOurFaith]

@@christopherventura Jesus never founded His church on Peter. That is silly. The head of the christian church is Jesus. Jesus is God. God existed since, like , forever. Long before Peter. Paul testifies that Christ was with the Israelites in the desert before Jesus was born. God says that they were even baptized. Paul teaches that Abraham was saved along with many others. The reason people have been saved before Peter was because of Christ. So if Jesus church only started with Peter then Paul tells us that would mean God was not fair. Paul tells us that God is fair because He gave the whole world including those that died before Jesus the very same gift. If you read Genesis, God teaches Adam and Eve to do the very same thing that Peter said with His confession. That is to believe in Him. Matthew 7 even tells the same story. Matthew talks about a foundation and that foundation is Jesus teaching that He is the Messiah, the son of the living God. By the way. There was no apostolic succession. Peter was never a bishop. Against heresies tells us this. 3. The blessed apostles, then, having founded and built up the Church, committed into the hands of Linus the office of the episcopate. Linus was the first bishop of Rome. Not Peter.

[@jd3jefferson556]

100% if the Catholic Church allows for gay marriage then Catholicism is false. That was my favorite part of the debate! For me, Christianity is false if the Catholic Church is false. If Christ is not present in not the Most Holy Eucharist then He was never really God and all Christians should be pitied above all others🕊

[@rightinthedome9973]

Catholic or bust

[@AndreLeBlonde1]

Amen!

[@Qwerty-jy9mj]

True, falsifying the Catholic claim is to falsify the Christian claim. It's either the Catholic Church or atheism

[@zidane0196]

I promise you Christianity will survive without that particular dogma. The scripture is written in such a way that you can take it as a spiritual reference. Christianity existed before the institution of the Roman catholic church and it will exist after. The church is the people not the institution.

[@jd3jefferson556]

@@zidane0196 no it didn't. There is no Christianity without the Most Holy Eucharist. The early Church knew that heresy and schism were not small issues. If Christ is not present in the Most Holy Eucharist, then He was never really God and all Christians ought to be pitied above all others. St. Ignatius of Antioch. He was an apostolic father meaning he knew some of the 12 apostles and was a friend of St. Polycarp of Smyrna who himself was trained by the apostle John. “They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer, because they confess not the Eucharist to be the flesh of our Saviour Jesus Christ, which suffered for our sins, and which the Father, of His goodness, raised up again. Those, therefore, who speak against this gift of God, incur death in the midst of their disputes. But it were better for them to treat it with respect, that they also might rise again. It is fitting, therefore, that you should keep aloof from such persons, and not to speak of them either in private or in public, but to give heed to the prophets, and above all, to the Gospel, in which the passion [of Christ] has been revealed to us, and the resurrection has been fully proved. But avoid all divisions, as the beginning of evils.” Letter to the Smyrnaeans, Chapter 7

[@thetruthisnotsubjective]

I wana do a sola scripture debate with you