Pre-Patch MKX Triborg was more broken than you remember

Some remember that Triborg was pretty crazy in the early days of MKXL. However, revisiting this specific patch years later with modern knowledge uncovers broke tech beyond limits.
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[@yoitscleavlandjr5109]

i do miss pre-patch cyber-subzero and cyrax

[@bloodmarth]

I would subscribe but the button says subscribed.

[@oklimbo]

Imagine how scary a Triborg main who actually played all the variations and counter picked with them would have been back then.

[@trunksesp1149]

Oh you picked kenshi on day one? CYBER SUB ZERO TIME.

[@thithanhtuyetnguyen7055]

Can someone tell me which is better jason or triborg

[@libertyprime619]

@@thithanhtuyetnguyen7055 relentless jason, he has a combo that can take away 62% of someone's health but its tricky to land

[@markguy6847]

@@libertyprime619 high damage combo means nothing, Kotal khan does most damage in game but does not mean he is the best in game,he loses to character like liu kang and johnny cage any day of the week

[@13lucygoose]

That was me as a kid

[@aint4u]

16:23 i like how kano stares at the bomb accepting his fate

[@bloodycherri2798]

Bruh at the end when Ketchup was just saying all the nerfs 😂😂😂😂

[@grimesresurrection9357]

Yeah Cyrax got nerfed so fucking hard I almost didn't play him. Cyrax is my favorite character.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

@@grimesresurrection9357 yeah it sucked Cyrax and Cyber Sub Zero was nerfed so hard

[@reysolo]

Basically a new character at that point🤣

[@lordshura9717]

Triborg should’ve came back as part of the default roster. Such an interesting concept of a character.. He’s essentially just Robo-Chameleon but it’s still cool.. he could’ve been working along side Frost to restore the Cyber Lin Kuei only to betray her later because “Robots are better”.

[@chestbumphero]

It really be a missed opportunity since they already have Sektor and Cyrax models in game but refuse to have them be playable in any capacity. It would make sense to use the assets but nope. Though when I think on it the cyborg characters have all always been broken in one way or another

[@GudsSkyfall]

No, he shouldn't. Sektor is one of the most plot-relevant characters so he should come back. Triborg makes no sense. You might as well remove Sub-Zero and Scorpion and substitute them with Chameleon in that case.

[@williamcalhoun883]

with MK11s kustom variations too, you could probably mix and match the cyborg moves as well. Have a sektor/cyrax fusion for example. Who knows how good it would be, but it would be cool. Still though, I would rather just have Sektor and Cyrax come back over Triborg.

[@pious83]

I think you're on to something there. Realistically, "Triborg" could have been Chameleon. Captured and cyberised. It would have at least added the Kharacter to the roster in a more permanent way and possibly boosted its chances of appearing beyond MK X.

[@thebatman68]

@@chestbumphero bro, they need to put new moves, special moves, brutalities, fatalities, intros, outros, voice actor, new frame data, end of round taunt, friendship, skins, over 90 gear pieces.

[@thelightskinhokage7118]

imagine them giving smokes trident and sectors teleport upper cut to 1 character

[@PNDKM]

UMK3 Robo Smoke

[@daddysaso]

Gee, I can't imagine a character like that! 😭

[@thelightskinhokage7118]

@@PNDKM but im talking nowadays (ive watched your umk3 meta video 8 times and counting) but i mean like now in mk11 would that not be broken i can seeing some infinite set ups

[@EnderGoku9001]

PNDK&M smobo roke

[@tjfrye11]

@@thelightskinhokage7118 they'd never do something like that in 11, since 11 is meant to be a slower, grindy-er style

[@kylenguyen7371]

20:50 The Nerf-ening.... IT HAS BEGUN!

[@METAS0MA]

The little spikes of humor like the ending are the perfect addition to such comprehensive looks at this history. The patch notes part at the end is one of the best bits I think Ketchup has ever done in a video.

[@sharkaholic2171]

Nothing better than some quality content from the god tier netherrealm KZbin channel

[@secondsaint214]

When we got to Smoke, I was wondering if you were going to go over the bullshit downplay he got at the time, and you did not disappoint at all.

[@PNDKM]

I'll never forget

[@galio7741]

I was flabbergasted honestly, he was the first variation i touched at launch and he was so fun

[@BilalKhan-ng3ex]

I think they can retool this character type for ninjas as well. They can use Chameleon as the base character, and any ninjas that aren't in that mortal kombat can be variations.

[@Cezkarma]

Sitting down with a new K&M video is a great Sunday treat

[@RayzeCruxis]

So after up missiles, when you went downstairs and made your cup of tea, did you put the cream first or last? And did that choice add to the mix up?

[@PNDKM]

You don't add cream to a cup of tea

[@trishikinmukherjee8120]

@@PNDKM Wait,you don't? So that's why I was vomitting

[@PNDKM]

@@trishikinmukherjee8120 almost certainly

[@RayzeCruxis]

@@PNDKM some of us have to due to sugar sensitivity. Last thing I need is unstable hands in IT work.

[@galio7741]

I like my tea with just sugar

[@dimples4075]

Cyrax used to have infinite bombs it was broken

[@danceyrselfkleen]

Why whine when you can just play better?

[@huleyn135]

Its always interesting to see how old players had no idea about the potential of a move until it got labbed properly. Like phaseaway. I cant even think how one could think that move is weak.

[@l750z_6]

I saw ketchup on mkx on pc earlier in my friends list, this was why huh

[@PNDKM]

Precisely

[@iMorands]

"oh yeah and Mustard beat me for top8 in that tournament" ahahahahaha

[@morromk7538]

He’s still really good online he’s always a pain with his mix and DB3 DF3

[@churlesjenkins4338]

How active is mkx still? I play on pc

[@morromk7538]

Churles Jenkins people are still active on ps4, it’s not like mk11 but there’s still a lot of activity and the gameplay is tighter than ever

[@slightlyabveaverage4059]

I like this one better, they're way bigger and the hits sound like they hurt. In 11 it just sounds like they're getting hit reallly hard with tomatoes wrapped in oatmeal.

[@Evil1nside]

Triborg was broken beyond belief on day 1, but I do admit that was a little too harsh on the path list. It is funny the way you read it, but I remember me almost crying when I first saw it, lol.

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Thanks for this. I wanted y'all to talk about first patch Triborg with amazing Cyrax and Smoke.

[@nybethobdilord6912]

You should cover Shinnok. He's always overlooked when he's still considered the best.

[@jessiesewell4076]

Impostor Shinnok is fantastic.

[@TevronPlays]

Never again put lazy mechanic trash like impostor in a mortal kombat again Netherrealm.

[@roosterpirate]

Impostor shinnok used to be able to move around after stun/stealing the opponent's move

[@scarsunseen24]

pre-patch Boneshaper was god tier

[@undeadinside3571]

@@scarsunseen24 i remember that too! Boneshaper was great! But impostor vs jax was 1 combo auto-win 😂

[@kevinmanga117]

Always looking forward to seeing a video from the two of you. Ketchup, this is another amazing Video, good job. Once again we can feel the energy in the video, choice of music was epic. Keep up the good work :).

[@Unblissful_]

Man, watching this again, really bringing back my need to revisit this game.

[@gregcuevas7738]

Your narrative is OP! Superb content 🤘🏻

[@just_2swift]

I remember all this also using smoke fade in combos gave smoke extra dmg

[@mikeackworth1871]

great video as always absolutely love triborg in mkx

[@berzerkplayzz7907]

Amazing video as always Ryan! Keep em coming!

[@Rabyuken]

I Remember the First Viennality where Madzin robbed me with Cyber Sub , there was a buggy interaction at which we both screamed out WHAT?!. still great times and great games !

[@stellarblades]

I was just playing him in rankd lol

[@kylenguyen7371]

10:28 Ketchup, would you say that version of Cyber Sub-Zero had the true "Polar Vortex"?

[@usamahhussein6591]

Great video as always

[@Iheartdrumzz]

Getting into Mortal Kombat years later thanks to these great and informative videos :)

[@LOLKEKOV]

Wow! Amazing video, I'm a new MKX player and I wasn't aware of these facts. I heard that Triborg was weakened, but I didn't think that they were weakened so much😱😱😱 Cyrax was a true dangerous Cyber Assassin! My main is Smoke and Sektor.

[@RoyArkon]

LMAO that ending though, that's a classic. Awesome video like always dude :)

[@trishikinmukherjee8120]

Good video,Quick question,What do you think about having a variation with some of the best moves of the triborgs? It could be called "Grandmaster's plan" It could have sektors key strings,such as the flamethrower from sektor. It could have some small bomb setups,and the harpoon from smoke,and icefall from cyber subzero. But it would lack the key strings needed to step into broken. It would be equal in strength to mkx sektor

[@ShadowBaofu]

That sounds like a good reimagining of the character in the future rather than a variation.

[@pilot3605]

It's gonna be good when we eventually get to the competitive history of Cyrax, more people need to know about the MK9 madness

[@iloveTSA]

Wow awesome as always!

[@brandonmartin8305]

Mkx is one of my favorite Mk games. I love these videos, especially the ones showcasing broken tech lol

[@liquidtruth7954]

Mk11 made me appreciate x a lot more but I disliked it at the time.

[@pious83]

If only it was a bit more colourful...

[@MetalGoatSolid]

How weird I've been playing him online again just yesterday lol

[@zachariahm.kemper7406]

I haven't played in years so I had no clue they nerfed smoke, I also never played competitive, so just astonishing people outside of my circle could of thought smoke was bad

[@elijahtheo5812]

This is one sick production.

[@MrShagification]

For BP,FP,FK (21:11), does it mean to say "...-6 on block (down from -1)"?

[@dimentioo]

I wanna see one of these vids for tanya

[@raynmanshorts9275]

Hey, guys, remember when gaming companies used to do massive patches just before major tournaments? So glad that never happens anymore.

[@paysoforeign]

I was undefeated with cyber smoke for a whiiiile then i met my match, got beat by the same guy 3 times in a row, but still cyber smoke is my guy in MKX. Been some years tho

[@IanOrGoregy]

Ahhhhhh. I remember day 1 triborg. Good times

[@facuuaf]

I love these underdawg styled videos

[@PNDKM]

Ive been making videos like this for many years.

[@jamestomlin5525]

Damn... that mk3 subway theme really took me back, just like how I used to play as him back in the day

[@derecksantiago7019]

As a Cyrax main in mk9 I knew that he was gonna be crazy at some point if people continued to play him

[@griffinfolse354]

I wish triborg was in MK11

[@BaldTorment]

Honestly I'm glad he's not in the game, it makes the cyborgs more likely for mk12

[@josephtpg7329]

Bald Torment not really since MK12 might be set in the Great Kung Lao era, meaning the Cyber Initiative never existed.

[@BaldTorment]

@@josephtpg7329 as long as someone has moves similar to any of cyborgs then I'd be happy

[@GudsSkyfall]

@@BaldTorment The fact Sektor isn't in every game is completely ridiculous. Very interesting, popular and plot-relevant character. Instead they keep adding trash like Jacqui for pure virtue signaling purposes.

[@thestanman1486]

You should cover day 1 tremor. It was actually disgusting.

[@Jspore-ip5rk]

He had an infinite unlockable. I got a 389% by spamming dd4 immediately after its recovery. It was insane

[@GINeric_]

Wow, that amount of patches

[@Risingsun2287]

Omg the patch notes at the end killed me lmao

[@phrawga]

Really makes me miss the absolute insanity of mkx that mk11 just didn’t provide.

[@GudsSkyfall]

MK11 provided nothing but subpar gameplay. Which is a given considering NRS decided to copy SFV, when SFV was an abomination compared to IV. That decision blows my mind considering how SFV was received.

[@phrawga]

Guds Skyfall to be fair though SFV has come a long way and is a lot better than its initial release. MK11 feels the same

[@llamabot9889]

@@GudsSkyfall I just got into SFV. I think it's way more balanced than most fighting games and I've played a few. Ironically it's even faster than mk11

[@kylenelson8417]

You should do a pre patch ronin. That character used to have mad plus frames

[@NoName-cz3wn]

I'll be honest... I think the last patch was deliberate to kill MKX. I think the game was perfect after the first balance patch post MKXL. Changing the way armor works, changing certain moves, literally at the end of the game's lifespan just ruined the game imo. Characters like Cryomancer Sub were completely crippled imo, while characters like Raiden just got worse over time. The last patch basically made MKX like a proto-MK11, and that's not what the game was designed to be. The game had a run button, and the game was built around it. Armored launcher, wake up, etc, it all made MKX into a high-octane evolution of MK9. I would kill for an "MKXL Ultra" where someone undoes the final changes to the game, and restores everyone to their most broken version. Like Raiden is set to his Day 1 version, Triborg to his Day 1 version, etc. Yes, even Tanya and Alien.

[@crudnom7090]

Purple smoke shouldve been his default color instead of grey

[@SyRose901]

One thing they did right: They actually removed the guaranteed reset Cyrax had in MK9. By removing the "unblockable" nature of his bombs. Damn. Then again, we enjoyed the neutrals of this game, despite first hating it for changing it drastically from MK9.

[@DarkSnake78990]

I knew they were broken pre-patch... But i didn't know they were THAT broken LOL. Thanks for the vid !

[@laveesloan6070]

I freaking love the ending I laughed the whole time while tryna keep up 🤣🤣🤣

[@BR4IN1N4J4R]

*watches Mustard do the touch of death combos* "Yikes. That was heinous"

[@Pinky_Pow__Wow]

Question okay triborg was a bunch of the ninjas data recorded and put into one body but why do we only have 4 ninja when we could have at least 5 plus others that we don't k ow of now I'm not complaining I love triborg , smoke is my favorite but recently learned of Hydro which was bi hans (the original sub zero) best friend and yes ik he was turned into cyber but he should have been record still and he was better then cyrax and sektor (till they worked together) why wouldnt he be put into triborg?

[@CyberCristo]

nice one guys can we expect a NRS guests tier list and review someday ? God Bless Ketchup and Mostard \o

[@MaximumLowBlow]

Loved the ending lmao

[@lordquastheonly]

I thought i was watching KI for a second when you where showing off cyber sub zero

[@numa2k147]

I used to main Smoke and Tremor... I might download MKX again 😁

[@blazaybla22]

I miss Smoke so much

[@NoName-cz3wn]

I might do a fresh install as well. Just so Cryomancer can feel like Cryomancer again.

[@mezmezzy1870]

which MK theme is playing in the background?

[@bruhdecker1047]

YES HE UPLOADED AGAIN FINALLY

[@PNDKM]

I'm always cooking up my next video. I just can't do daily uploads because of how my videos are built :D

[@BaldTorment]

@@PNDKM respectable, the quality of the videos is worth it

[@thebean529]

Miss the brokenness ngl 🤧🤧💔

[@mandalorianhunter1]

Can't believe this is a year old now.

[@YaBoyBeanut]

dude cybersub looked so sick wtf

[@jojox1733]

THIS IS THE BEST K&M VIDEO OF ALL TIME

[@Break531]

I remember how Jake had to hold this for a 10 set. I kinda feel sorry for him. If he didn't main MK9 Cyrax.

[@shaynehughes6645]

I still don't get why they released the character like that just to nerf him so hard later. Messages more mixed than an ex.

[@RavenDreadful]

I feel like (and I might be stupid) but CSZ now I feel would be better but not broken if he had any safe armored option. I know that’s not much of a possibility with the specials he actually had but something so his neutral wasn’t so terrible. Jason and shinnok still chew him up and there’s almost nothing he can do if they stay near him. I suppose his lack of armor is counteracted by his mobility but he was hilariously bad before the patch in 2016

[@HuffdrewPaint]

Man I miss MKX. I know it's still there, but..

[@huffindoback3776]

But what? Go play it then

[@flamexgunner]

LOL EXACTLY WHY hes my main besides RAIN

[@decepter5227]

How to you play cyber subzero now idk how to do it anymore

[@gangorca3647]

Damm the 2touch cyrax

[@Silohette]

What about Cryomancer Sub-Zero before he was hella nerfed?

[@just_2swift]

S3 ex smoke bomb jailed

[@lewinski8147]

Can you do a video of what Tanya use to be like

[@dewae1158]

this should be a series called early journey were you look at all the mkx characters on the disc version of the game

[@JahlisMan]

there's a video on this channel, from the "Science of MKX" series, called "in the beginning", or something like that. it talked precisely about the day one version and all its broken goodness.:)

[@harolddiaz7046]

I miss these days. The busted things about this game made it pretty fun. Glad the servers are still up and running

[@torchit2302]

How did you installed Triborg if it was DLC without internet connection? Wasn't the update (or, at least, ONE update) mandatory for Triborg?

[@GmNdWtchr96]

MKXL had the DLC on-disc.

[@PNDKM]

Disc MKXL comes with all DLC on disc :) Vanilla MKX does not

[@huleyn135]

The cyrax and csz nerfs were too much. Especially csz.

[@PNDKM]

They didn't need that many but nerfs were needed for sure. Cyrax in this state was NOT ok

[@huleyn135]

@@PNDKM yea i edited after i watched it fully. I had no idea he could literally two touch death. Also thanks for all the effort you put in to this vid i love triborg

[@yonday389]

nice

[@luisherrera1039]

Mkx has so much depth 😫

[@eddie9687]

how did you get that version of mkx

[@PNDKM]

I told you at the start of the video

[@apollo-n4148]

21:41 :D

[@briansmith1055]

Totally op

[@thatoneguy6126]

Tremor release next?

[@KrookDogg]

Can you cover shinnok?

[@yoitscleavlandjr5109]

bro that patch was worse they when they nerfed the DSR in bo2

[@jakobmann1497]

I miss mkx :/

[@just_2swift]

Do Kung Lao

[@ironmenace]

Seeing cyber Lin kuei Always give Me hope for ninjor But Warner bros doesn’t have the pocket for that character