Please Don't Wait - Find a Guild Now!

[@Preachgaming]

There is no better time than right now to set yourself up for a great time in the next expansion. Make the move!

[@solaris736]

I still don't know what I wana play, very frustrating, but too burnt out on balance after 8ish years of maining it

[@Gamemaster9913]

Took this advice in 8.2 and don't regret for one minute. I hope people listen to this and actually do it

[@chriswarner3771]

Preach! where do i go to locate a guild? is there a place i can see who is accepting applications?

[@bigdo15335]

Glad that you put out this video. As an officer, my guild saves old apps and revisit them when we have an opening. We know that at the start of an expansion or tier, that we will have raiders step away from the game or guild and that we need to be at ideal raid team size +2 in order to accommodate this.

[@cancellol8904]

Hey preach as a brand new player to retail, where the best place for me to start? Bit overwhelmed. (In terms of finding a guild)

[@Emajenus]

Preach telling me he doesn't want bad things for me with those sky blue eyes.

[@dtulip1]

I know I feel like Mowgli when Kaa is singing Truttthhhhht in mmmmeeeeeeeeeeeeee! (that's trust in a lispy snake voice ;) )

[@kemyaali2056]

“That fresh start you keep promising yourself” Honestly, mike, i came here to be entertained, not to be offended

[@kimaclaret]

He's got our number

[@tylundja7798]

this is literally the most relatable comment ever made

[@hagardrel]

Hit me real hard, and not just in terms of WoW. Damn

[@SuperExodar]

Same, I was hurt after he attacked me like that.

[@damonrojas83]

I don't think his words are offensive, but i do think that because of the aim of making his audience better players (that's literally the objective of this channel) his words get a little bit over the line of that... The only part of the channel i see as entertainment is Drama Time, the rest like this one are guides or news for those who want to take the hobby more seriously (and there's nothing wrong with that). I just see these types of videos to understand the points of view from him and others that i don't want to relate to.

[@Snuzzled]

"Is your guild just a second trade chat?" Oof. That hit me hard.

[@mrorangecookie1430]

As a new player only recently been playing for 4-5 months. I have found it so hard to get into mythic content, and without experience nobody is willing to give you a chance. And also a big issue is when you do join a guild they only play with a select few and not involving anyone else outside their "click". Having no community in the game is making my world of warcraft experience suffer :(

[@Thatonewolff]

I'm with you there. I lost all my WoW friends and guild after MoP and I haven't been able to find new ones since.

[@Amandor2011]

Well, the thing is you can become part of their "click"-help guys with their m+ chest, maybe do arenas here and there or something else and you eventually will build some relationships in the guild It's hard at the start but after some time and effort it will be fine And after that in some new guild it will be easier for you-you've already done that before and maybe have some people you've encountered before

[@thestoly3254]

Trial in multiple guilds, dont stay just because you get accepted, find the guild where the "clique" accepts you, and you fit in, took me a couple guilds but i'm here now and i have a new home. Do not forget that when you are a trial you are also trying out the guild, not just the other way around.

[@vindar2623]

it took me a while to find a good guild and now i have been with the same group for 3 exp now and we help out everyone we can in the guild its a really nice way of playing the game

[@linkinparktilldeath1]

I have been with the same group of friends that has been ever growing for about 5 years now. We hopped guilds a couple times, sometimes someone left the group and we got two new people back, but im still playing with most of them. Me and a few others have been leading a guild now for the last 2 years-ish and always find time to play with each other. Honestly without the guild and friends i would have stopped playing ages ago. Finding the right guild might be very hard and partially luck based, but eventually you can find the right one. If you are ever looking for a guild, look up Sunday League on Frostwhisper-EU. You will be welcome :)

[@TheNorkeKnight]

Mike, I dunno' if you read these comments. But I've been watching your videos for years now. Since all the way back in MoP. For years I was in guilds where I was never *entirely* happy. They were decent guilds, and I accomplished a lot of things I'm proud of, but none of them have really shared my mindset for raiding and the end game in WoW. Fast forward to the end of BFA where I'm in a 8/12 Mythic guild and for the first time I couldn't be happier to step into a new expansion! I'm going in with absolutely no regrets. Thanks for all the content you make. I know some people like to make you out as the boogey man for whatever reason, but you truly are a blessing to this game and its community.

[@reyhster]

I started playing in late MoP, but never got the courage to join a guild as I "feared the worst". I once panicked when I joined a LFR group instead of a LFD group. Social anxiety is a bitch. But I got over it. I wanted to join a guild in Legion, but didnt dare. Finally in BFA I joined a guild (with Preach nagging in the back of my head, lol). Before BFA i just did casual stuff, leveled bunch of toons, explored the game, crafted casually and just did the story. After I joined a guild I(or we), did all the raids on heroic, I started collecting stuff, doing achievements, started learning how to earn gold and eventually got my brutosaur and now I(or we) did the m+ 15 acievement on time in season 4. So thank you Preach for nagging my way into a guild. You da man. 👊

[@francisbourgeois3306]

i honestly dont comment much on youtube ever, but watching this video made me want to put it out there that you are verry correct. I have found my guild when i came back for the 2nd half of BFA and im still there and i became "me" not "the mage" or "the warlock" but ME. So take his advice i play WoW for a verry different reason now than i used to. Thanks again for this video and look forward to more

[@LarsMartinGihle]

How did you go about finding your guild?

[@Sleepgodx]

Thank you so much for making this! I play with irl friends and they have refused to be a part of a real guild for years and haven't believed me telling them how different it really is. You hit all the key points here and it's awesome, keep it up, long time fan

[@TheStateoflove]

Finally I can apply to join method with this great encouragement from preach

[@0019saisoku]

Who's method?

[@TescoValueJuice]

Make sure to include your criminal history check....

[@FGazi-qf1hp]

OOF

[@SunniestAutumn]

Oh no man, don't do it man, please rea

[@DrGeazy]

I wouldn't be wanting to join method. It hasn't been their year 😂

[@shadowlife15]

This is honestly such a good video. I roamed around from guild to guild for nearly a decade until I finally went for the organized guild. I went from a pure casual to a CE raider in just one expansion because I found the right place for me to grow and improve. The game is LOADS better now that I have a guild full of FRIENDS to play it with.

[@amazingcoregaming]

Man I cannot stress enough how important it to to find the guild that’s right for you. I follows preachs advice. I wanted a chill guild that was ok with inexperienced raiders that run m+ every week and raid normal and heroic 1-2 nights a week. I saw so many guilds that have requirements of level X cloak. 3 mythic+ runs a week. Heroic only raids. Raid times that didn’t fit my schedule. Eventually I found a group of 5 friends who wanted to get into raiding. I applied and after discussing with them their plans I was in. It was perfect for me. after a couple of weeks we ended up with the minimum of 10 people to start raiding. We started normal and after completing that we decided to give heroic a try. We were doing well and decided to go for ahead of the curve. Only a few weeks ago after raiding heroic for a couple of months we got our ahead of the curve. Now we’re all taking it easy waiting for shadowlands. This kind of ended up as a story about me rather then my point which is to find a guild that you fit in with. But that’s the morel of the story. Please. Don’t join the wrong guild just because you can get a raid spot

[@clouds2589]

I love your buildup to each expansion. your channel alone gets me so pumped for each new expansion. Hell you even made me excited for BFA. I have no fucking clue how you pulled that off.

[@Requlier]

I played most of BFA relatively solo after leaving a group of toxic/manipulative friends, but joining a guild during 8.3 to play with in Shadowlands is the best decision I’ve made in a long time Don’t be solo, join a guild!!

[@trindaranjus3060]

Im about to do the same, its nice to see people happy with the decision

[@willythemailboy2]

I've been sitting in a dead guild for two and a half expansions now. My problem is I want a social guild without being a shit-tier "social" guild, if you know what I mean.

[@booradley6832]

@@willythemailboy2 Alts my man. Shadowlands is very alt friendly. Drop an alt in a social guild to hang out, do your economy stuff from that guy. Take your main to somewhere that will get you what you want from the game. I hate to say "Its just that easy" because obviously you have to find the right place for you. But I believe you can if you get behind the effort

[@jdelgado216]

My guild is small and casual but when playing with them you won't miss a good laugh

[@qamarqammar7629]

I pugged most of my weekly keys in BFA and a good part of Legion. I'm comfortable pugging content, been doing it since oqueue back in Mists. But is it enjoyable? Not so much. Not when you have to get your weekly key done and your guild's tank only runs once a week with his 4 friends. A raid team is 20 people and a key only takes 5. So unless your guild's tanks love M+ a lot of the dps are going to be pugging. In the end I just got tired of it and quit. Edit: And I am not blaming these tanks, just saying the numbers don't add up. So "finding a guild" won't necessarily get you a guild where everybody gets to do keys only with friends. Good luck to all of you still in the hunt.

[@dusk1947]

I am a long-time WOW player. But I have not been a long-time raider. It is your very channel that got me first joining a raid guild in WoD... and pushing to join a Mythic Guild in Legion. I have since decided I am comfortable with a Heroic guild that achieves AOTC, and will happily stay raiding there. But I would not have made that step without video's like this. Keep up the great content Preach! And I can attest that once you find a likeminded guild (which may not be the first one you join), it is an equitable and enjoyable experience.

[@Pally-Main]

Agree with 100% of this video. Starting a guild of my own now coming back to WoW after a while spent in FFXIV, and I'm literally leveraging the scuffed perception of Covenants for my recruiting: "Play What You Want - and Play It Well".

[@cyberspaceufo]

You know, that bit of pep talk was pretty nice. There are many players who suffer social anxiety and hearing "it's ok, but go on anyway, don't give up" was pretty awesome. Thanks, Mike!

[@micahparker4206]

This is great advice, even for people who think it might not apply for them because they play casually. I run a community and guild with some friends that is focused around casual players. I can't tell you the number of people who have joined us who have said "I've always wanted to try raiding, but I have no clue what I'm doing". We drag people through normal. We drag them through heroic. Tons of people in our community who only ever planned to set foot in LFR have been able to get their AOTC this expansion. We're super laid back, and we have open raid nights where we'll bring just about anyone to raid. From doing that, we've also been able to skim the cream off the top and make a progression group. Prior to BfA the last time I was super involved in a guild was WotLK. After a while I convinced myself I didn't need a guild because I could get into pugs just fine, and I didn't want to commit to any sort of schedule. But I cannot stress how much building my guild has revolutionized the game for me. It has become so much more fun, and despite all the complaints about BfA, I'm having the most fun I've had in WoW in probably 10 years.

[@TacBlades]

Be in a guild don't be in a guild, the most important thing is find your own way don't let others tell you what is right or wrong. One main issue is that 90% of guilds are bad places, bullying, toxic, sexist, huge egos, inner circles with favourites, one rule for some and another for the rest. 10% are genuine, the way to find the tiny few that are good is extremely difficult, because most of the time you won't know until you have been in it for a while.

[@MadaoAU]

Thank you for this push, i had to move to Australia from Greece and it was a very disheartening experience regarding WoW (since i could not move any of my characters to US realms from EU) finally got a new pc and started to start fresh. I was raiding from TBC to end of wrath with IRL friends it was the best feeling ever. Hope to recreate that atmosphere once again. Thanks for the motivation preach, have a good day.

[@TheSharkOwns]

I totally agree with you on this! I recently got into a guild, was really anxious at first, but now I really enjoy the company that it gives you! If you want to get better in mythics or raiding that is the best way to go about it! Also i recently subbed to you and enjoy you content allot. You explain really well what your opinion is, and tbh you have a pleasant voice to listen too! Keep it up Preach!!

[@epi4625]

Hi Preach. As a guild leader since patch 8.4, I thought I would share my opinions on this topic, guild leadership & what it's like to raid in a semi-casual AOTC guild. For reference, I raid lead & guild lead Bros Before Hozen on the Aman'thul server (US/OCE). The number one thing I can suggest to people who are looking for a guild to complete their content is - DON'T GIVE UP ON YOUR GOALS FOR THE GUILD'S GOALS. Find a guild that wants to do what you want to do **and has proven that they can do it in the past.** A guild that hasn't done what you're wanting to do in the past will struggle to do it. If the guild seems unorganized or no one can answer your questions, find a new one. The most important thing you mentioned in this video that I notice in our guild community, is the NAME. The persona of a player and what they can do is MUCH more important than their class or specialization, especially in a casual guild like ours. Our guild builds a community atmosphere around the game, and we are not just a guild in the game. Find a guild like this that suits what YOU personally want. Don't settle.

[@ye-roon]

I've been fortunate to be in a great guild for the past few years. We dont raid mythic, but we have a very active M+ community and we've gotten ahead of the curve heroic for every raid tier since I've joined at the end of WoD. We raid 2 days per week, 2 hours per evening. We laugh, have fun, do boardgames via discord, play monster hunter, dabble in other games. If the tank's kid needs attention we let him give his kid the attention he needs. We're having discussions about the covenants, but not about whats the best ability, but what's the most fun lorewise. People know me, no matter what character i'm logged in curently. And I when play a dps, I want to perform, I want to be on the meters, my guild will never shout at me for underperforming, but I prefer to pull my weight. It is possible, find a guild. Great message Preach.

[@cullenasaro2229]

I just recently had my first trial for a guild that has the Cutting Edge achieves under their belt. Apparently I impressed the gm and considering the only person in their guild that wants to roll rogue, I might have a spot!

[@sitrueis4007]

Cutting Edge isnt something impressive but gl with that.

[@cullenasaro2229]

Sitrueis it’s literally killing the end boss of a current tier raid on mythic. What is considered “impressive” to you then? Seems a little egotistical to say that.

[@cullenasaro2229]

Sitrueis like the whole video is about encouraging players to take their next step and you are in the comments trying to shoot people down sharing their experience.

[@sitrueis4007]

@@cullenasaro2229 As I said good luck to you. In current state most guilds who are still active in hight raiding done that achi, that is what I'm trying to say. U don't need to be angry about it. I've shared my experience also. What is egoistic about sharing opinion? Everyone knows that Mythic is highest pve diff.

[@jetsetdnb]

I watch your videos all the time for bants and info, but this video really stuck out to me and I really needed to hear what you had to say here. Thanks for fighting the good fight.

[@Sfidt1]

I did just to gate late CE and now I am most probably sticking with these guys! I haven't been in a guild since WoD when I dipped my toe in mythic raid before guild was disbanded. After long hiatus and pugging my way through thorns of getting AotC I am now back in the game and going hard for CE in SL!

[@ridingdmetro]

Thank you for caring to talk to us about this Mike! .... Great thoughts! Great Vid! ...

[@ragingstorm79]

Did exactly this after you gave us a talking to on stream a month or so ago. Thank you for the kick up the ass.

[@Gershelf]

As a guild leader, I agree that it's wise to find a guild before it all goes off. The ones who joins early on, and really shows they click well with the guild, will likely have their raid seats solidified when the new stuff actually do begin. The time to socialize is honestly a pretty vital part in both getting a seat, when the team is being set up, as well as knowing if the guild is for you. As for the guilds who only runs with a select few for everything: Run, and dkn't look back. If the guild can't even be bothered to have some fun M+ runs with you, they're not gonna show you a good time.

[@dabbie2700]

That's literally me! I personally felt when he said it's for those who ' promised themselves a fresh start' i've been telling that to myself for the past 4 months. I wish i will find a nice guild that people get along and do some m+ and raids, would be awesome. Those words inspired me so i will try my best!

[@punch4freedom]

the best way i ever found guilds was by simply playing with people and helping out and either ask if their guild needs people or when they offer you to join their guild just accept it and give it a go

[@CalestoBella]

I am legitimately excited for Shadowlands. My best friend and I play together on retail but they have no clear goals and half the guild goes on hiatus for months at a time due to IRL commitments. I joined a guild in Classic and we help each other farm for stuff, we dungeon, we raid. I hate PvP but we did a guild AB yesterday and it was the most fun I have had in a long time because I like the people I play with. I know we aren't going to be cutting edge in Shadowlands but they started a guild in retail and it's going to be so nice to hang out with people that just want to do things together and are genuine and like accomplishing things.

[@Insipidityy]

This advice is actually very sound for RL actual job search. Don't be afraid to apply for roles - even though you don't meet all of the job require, there's no downside!

[@nosek2276]

I thankfully can say that I found my home in a guild in the middle of bod. We made it up to mekkadril and with eternal palace got our fist CE and finished nylotha with everyone on the roster with their mount. I can’t imagine playing this game without a suiting guild anymore. I kinda feel bad for myself for not joining a guild in legion

[@Soulishar]

Thank you for this video, Preach. I was sitting in my bed depressed and wondering what I would do about Shadowlands and this gave me the energy to go and play and actually enjoy myself.

[@7JeyKey7]

Really great video. I can see this helping many people having much more fun in WoW and I hope we get a lot of new like minded individuals to play with in Shadowlands

[@littlemswolf]

My friend aka guildies do Mythic Pluses. We don't raid anymore. We stopped raiding a few years ago when mythic dungeons came out. This became something we loved. Thank you for a good video.

[@chrisgapp1521]

I joined my first ever guild in June. Never even raided before or done any mythic+. Currently 2/12 mythic and getting curve. 1 dungeon off getting all keys done on 15+ as well. Games so much better, thanks preach

[@benoitrousseau4137]

That was a really good video Preach. I really can't imagine playing this game solo and doing mythic+ and raiding (even normal) without a friendly and like-minded guild. I think people often exaggerate how toxic the World of Warcraft community is, but there is no denying there are very bad apples out there, and never meeting them is better than rarely meeting them.

[@AdamUKG]

man that view from your window is amazing, i just love the brick work.

[@Seig_CC]

i made myself a challenge in BfA. I wanted to do my Keystone-master with random groups in Season 4. And after i got the achievement done, all i could ask myself was "Why would anyone play in this kind of environmant...?" You will encounter everything in those random groups, from heroic/mythic boosted DD´s that do barely 20k DPS, to your mythic progress tank alt who just plays this alt in this patch because it´s not good enough for his progress guild but he´s fine with it. Everyhing can be in your group. But mostly you´ll encounter selfish tryhards. Tryhards who want Meta-comps for their +12 kings rest. Tryhards who have no idea what the tactic here really is, or why people in guilds who do this key on +23 are doing that what they are doing. They mostly expect from you perfection to the maximum. Doesn´t matter if you´re a dad in a family who just wants to spend 2 hours in the evening doing a key or two, or if you´re like me a "semi mythic raider". they put high standards on everyone. Doesn´t matter who you are, or how your day went, you´re just in their group as a purpose to get their key done, at best intime. Literally the worst WoW experience i´ve ever had...

[@SimplyConeh]

As I see it, there are two types of people in the pug world; the ones you mentioned and the ones who are scared of those people... Edit: Meaning tryhards lol

[@youngpharaohdisciple3962]

true. this game is miserable to play without a guild.

[@frenchdream330]

I remember when i came back to the game early S4, i was alone and i tried pugging as a tank. Some groups were nice but most of them were just toxic and obnoxious, still remember these idiots just failing basic mechanics ( cuts, aoe ect ) and blaming me for them, then i found a guild and i begun to play with some guildies and it was a blast, we climbed from the bottom to top 4 server with our respective classes, it was awesome and i can't wait to play with them in SDL and they became real friends. Funny thing now is, i got experience from high keys, i could pug anywhere as i tank but i don't want to, i tried to pug a high key ( 24+ ) once, there was a mage, he was blasting, but he was a dickhead oh boy ... The point of this game is having fun with friends and guildies, i just can't understand people who pug all the day, how can they not get tilted and stop the game at some point ?

[@alexko4929]

@@frenchdream330 How to find a guild, if you already don't have friends in WOW? Even on Silvermoon LFM chat is empty, only offtopics and sometimes trolls/sellers/boosters

[@notoriousbig3k]

@@alexko4929 yeah only booster sellers in all servers in chat no one looks that cus most guilds are pros who play hardcore progress from N to M all raids until endcontent and they all are elitists socials guilds dont do much i joined on main dh a guild that is preparing for Shadowlands i doubt it gonna last much

[@ReatuKrentor]

Wow still being divided into realms annoys me when looking for a guild. A guild could be a great match but ah it's on the "Orc's Asscrack" realm and I have my stuff on "Turalyon's Fleshlight". Or having RL friends on the 'wrong realm'. Blegh.

[@tscarable]

$25 fixes that.

[@KrunemGrimcleaver]

I think it depends on what you're doing, if you're looking to mythic raid then yes being on Turalyon's Fleshlight over Orc's Asscrack is a major issue, but if you're doing normal and heroic, high M+ keys, or high rated PVP, the realm barrier isn't really an issue. But as the comment above said, $25 fixes that, alongside leveling a class you wanted to give a shot on the realm that your guild would be on.

[@melski9205]

@@tscarable $25 per character, so not that cheap. Also, per guild attempt. Also other games don't have this barrier now days and its something bliz might as well do away with in retail.

[@PregnantOrc]

Add to that a divide of the playerbase of roughly 50/50 for no reason now that War mode is a thing and all servers are non PvP (Normal) by default given that we fight side by side across factions more than against each other.

[@Julian-cn1ey]

yea I have a handful of characters spread across both backwater and major servers, this is a major issue. My main from WoD, my shadow priest, and my primary alt from Legion, my first DH, are both stranded. Feels kind of bad to have the memories on the character, and just not being able to play them without shelling out for a transfer.

[@theycallmeblaze]

Normally wouldn't advertise on another players video, but given the context I feel it's worthwhile. If you're an alliance pvp player on sargeras looking for a guild check out BloodBound. I looked for years for a good guild, and this one is solid. I'm not the GM, or even an officer. Just a very pleased member spreading the good word.

[@RevXSavage]

Yup been looking for about a week now, took a break during 8.3 and my guild died at the end of mythic eternal palace, had some strong placements. Now its time to find another top 150 guild and push hard in mythic content. Interesting to see who ill find. Very good advice from Preach. Awesome encouragement to everyone.

[@Zagrash]

One tip to all players looking for guilds ... I transfered before BFA and was looking for a guild. I just joined whatever was looking kinda solid. I was in 3 guilds within the first 3 month of BFA, because all the guilds just fell apart. If you look for a guild, check all guilds on your realmpool that you like, but make sure to check out the guild history! Did they raid for at least 2 addons? A stable core, guild history and a solid leadership are key for finding a good guild. Don't join all the guilds with bla bla ads in chat that are somewhere in mythic progress but only exist for 9 months. Check the logs. Check activity (are they still playing?). Talk to leadership and ask about the things you want and tell them what you can offer. If you do that, you will find good guilds.

[@blackie75]

guilds are a thing of the past for me. i enjoy playing alone with a podcast or youtube in the background and just chilling. it's my relaxing time to get away from people, so i don't want it to be a responsibility, or like, have people talking to me every time I log on.

[@DennehYT]

@@Ebola419 You can always find groups for high end content, like wtf..

[@seetheious9879]

yeah this

[@orangeparsley2534]

You can’t have good social interactions without the risk of bad social interactions, learn from those experiences so you can navigate the social contract of a guild

[@ramonreyes557]

While I do understand the power of being in a guild, there are alteratives and options if you don't want to leave your current guild, transfer servers or level a new toon on a new server. My Alliance guild on MoonGuard is only a few people, but we are actually a part of a small community that raids, does mythic plus, and some slight PvP. We are learning group that prefers taking the person over anything else, having fun doing it, and building strategies for our group makeup. We are currently 3/12M and learning Shad on mythic and while that may seem "noobish, ultra casual" to some folks, we have enjoyed the journey. We plan on going into Shadowlands with the same mindset as we are with this current raid tier of " clear heroic and when mythic unlocks cross realm, we go into mythic". We won't force someone to transfer even if that means we wait a little longer to learn mythic. We support each other as a team even while being on different servers. As proof, look up Tantrika-MoonGuard, as that is my blood dk tank and one of the leaders of the community

[@luxero6849]

I didn't have a guild in BFA and at the end of 8.3 i started to enjoy raiding, especially healing those. I will try to get a guild before SL and get AOTC with a group of mates. This is the year

[@colinbarnfield4563]

Damn Mike, I have been guildless for a while now and I was just thinking this morning that I really missed the feeling of being in a decent guild. Time to get in and get looking. You're the man🍻

[@Testikills]

This was a good to hear. BFA was rough for me mostly due to work. I work mostly nights which is when 90% of guilds raid. Since covid and specifically last month my schedule finally opened up and I can finally raid again come shadowlands.

[@elismaerasmus3204]

Thank you for the video. As a casual solo-ish player I will take your advice and put it to good use. Been a while since I last played but I am optimistic about Shadowlands and joining a guild

[@MattIxtabi]

Fine, i've done it preach! Played the game since TBC pretty much solo due to being pretty anxious, so fingers crossed I can find some sympathetic souls to drag me up to "big boy" WoW!

[@Przymiot]

Guilds are definitely the way to go. Just make sure to avoid the toxic ones that tell you what to play and force you to grind 24/7. Focus on the ones that clear heroic and aim for curve + a little bit extras in each tier.

[@intergalacticspacewizard1966]

I am in a guild and i don't play the flavor of the month spec on my mage (or atleast i didn't until we hit M N'zoth) but i've become well known within the guild for just being a good player who is able to push through with their spec/class despite how they perform less and our main tanks have even referred to me as the "anti affix" for M+ keys. most guilds don't care too deeply about what you play as long as you're a decent person and a alright player. Raid focused guilds are a great place to be in, especially if you want to do m+ because most raiders will strive to do their weeklies or perhaps even want to push keys, in a proper raid guild you will never ever have to deal with puggies again, unless you intend to do several heroic raids for 3+ alts or something

[@Dontgankmeplx]

Thanks for this Mike, I always fall into this trap. I barely played during BFA so was worried about applying as I had no BFA achieves/credentials. I also play wonky classes like ele sham and WW monk so was worried about being over looked (as with PUGS) but I think finding a guild I can play/get a long with would help a lot!

[@AlanC2025]

I have just subscribed to you channel. I am a 15 year veteran of wow. I am glad to find a wow streamer from England. :D

[@Kernesja]

Preach, you nailed the required philosophy with just one line.. "the worst that can happen is they say no." This outlook literally applies to everything in life.

[@tscarable]

Let's ignore that rejection hurts and is what most people fear most.

[@Kernesja]

@@tscarable Good news is if you get rejected then you're exactly where you were had you not tried.

[@phataken4372]

Now it just seems like a damn chore to find a guild that wants to do m+ and some heroic raiding thats chill. Its all about logs these days imo, not just beating the stupid raid or key. Oh well, on the search we go.

[@Furchtfliege]

Weeeell, I searched far and wide too. My goals: Nice people, some Mythic+, HC Raid clear before the next tier comes out. What can I say? I went from german servers to english servers and now I have found my new home. We even changed to horde recently and I GET TO BE A COW *woohooo*

[@kurtkrusader]

I joined my first actual guild since Wrath. I levelled with my cousin and her boyfriend when Classic came out and I really enjoyed it, so I transferred and joined their retail guild. I haven't done progression raiding since Siege of Org, so I'm pretty hyped.

[@Madelion]

God damn, Mike im holding you at least partially responsible for the 10 new applications i'm inevitably gonna have to process this week!

[@Gerronys]

Had been waiting to app to a guild on my server and finally made me say fuck it, like you said the worst they can do is say no. No logs from BFA but have 3.6k io so maybe that counts for something. The pug world is truly a scary and weird place. Thanks for all the vids and encouragement Preach.

[@Towelietowel]

Take it from 15 year WoW vet, finding the right guild is the most important thing in the whole game. I skipped MoP, but came back a few months before WoD and found a guild that was such a good fit for me that I never stopped playing WoD, despite it being the shittiest expansion. It wasn't enough to keep me playing BfA, but no guild could have kept me playing BfA. I'm not coming back for Shadowlands, even if it's good the good xpack -> bad xpack rotation has grown tiresome. But I implore those of you who are, take the time to find the right guild!

[@nemesis656]

Nobody cares

[@trgaming3726]

@@nemesis656 LOL apparently you do enough to troll

[@daniellytollis1149]

100% mate I have not long found a guild say almost a year and it’s changed my entire wow life everyone should take this onboard that’s not in a guild it makes a massive difference

[@Icipher353]

I just want a guild that doesn't fall apart at the end of an expansion. I've played for years, and never had a guild survive the expac to expac transition.

[@PrinnySong]

I have to say mike, i watched so much of your drama time, that i finally took corage to search for a good Guild. And oh boy... i love then, all the bant, all the M+ groups, the raid groups... so good, it really makes the game different, better.

[@darkfrostwitch]

Yup, 100%! We're currently running like four trials every ID. Make your move now, gearing up in a new expansion is so much easier with a guild behind your back as well. Don't wait until you feel 100% ready - you'll probably never be 100% ready. And that's okay. Just give it a try :)

[@mhdoe]

I used to have the mindset of having to be in a guild, having structured set raid times and raising alts to please others in those guilds and to be honest it made me start to hate logging in or it would just fall apart as most guilds do. Since shortly after Panda I have just stayed in my personal guild with a couple of friends and have enjoyed the game much more since. I still have gotten every ahead of the curve ach in Heroic raids and have run high M+ runs (15+) weekly by just hooking up with a friend and pugging what we need. I'm not saying being in a raiding guild is bad and if you looking to mythic raid that is the way to go but it isn't for everyone and you can still easily get content done that your looking to do.

[@njflyersfan74]

Agreed. But Preach isnt saying join ANY guild ..but join the RIGHT one. 90% of the random invite guilds or the "we do everything" guilds are absolute junk and the GMs and officers have no business being such. Since ive no interest in anything beyond questing,leveling characters a spot of pvp or a heroic dungeon here and there i dont need or want a guild. Got discord for socialization and friends list to jump in instances with or run quests with. No guild officer ego trips. No schedules. No drama. Its delightful.

[@thatgeekdad]

Also, if you are mid to low pop, transfer. Best money you can spend is going to a high or full server. As someone who did the low /mid pop until legion, it’s a totally different world. Prices of things on AH are lower, queues are stupidly fast (I remember mine being 30 min LFR as a healer or tank), guilds a plenty for a different plan types, etc. Yes it’s real money that can be hard to swallow for some at first but it’s an investment for the next 2-3 years with SL. Tell yourself in Oct you will choose to eat out less 4-5 times to make up the money difference. Don’t go out one less night of drinking to make up the money difference. Hell, get a side gig with Doordash for a week or two to make the extra. Changing to a high pop server is worth it. But also, make sure you investigate which works for you time zone wise AND latency wise. Make a new toon on it and level to 20 and see if you have issues at peak times.

[@StrobeFireStudios]

Endlessly brilliant content from you Preach, I love this channel so fucking much. You da man!

[@ajgraham7371]

i really enjoy these types of videos from you good sir.

[@hsmphoto]

What I wanted for a long time was the ability to just solo pvp/warfronts etc and still be able to get competitive gear, but not sure that will ever happen. I loved RIFT in the early days for this reason..and a few others with the talent trees etc. Some hard thinking is needed before deciding what to do here since once we get going we all know how much time we sink into this.

[@6randomnumbers6]

I have been living the pug life for 5+ years, this tier some irl friend groups got together to form a guild and i decided to join. We had 0 expectations and just started playing the game and raiding 1 day a week. Finished 9/12M while keeping it chill, the game has never been more fun.

[@BloodstarDE]

I hate how guilds expect some responsibilities from me. Most of the time I want to play alone.

[@CeriseCC]

It's great when you find like minded individuals and goals and you can go xpac to xpac with most of the same crew. Good luck out there, they do exist!

[@retaliationofthrall5474]

Holy crap....you crushed it. Pure facts. Solid gold!

[@bigteamcream1732]

My problem with finding a guild.. and i do want to find one for SL is that I only enjoy tanking... i've tried dpsing and healing in a raid environment and I end up disliking it so much that I get annoyed that i have to raid and end up quitting. The major hurdle for me is that you only need 2 tanks, and most if not all guilds have their tanks already. So i just give up and accept that mythic raiding is not for me this xpac.. and i've being saying that line for the whole of bfa

[@claudeyaz]

Eh. If you are able to tank in the gearing up stage...and say you would like to tank..but work hard at dps too. The guild will see your effort. If one day the OT cant show up, or if progress would be made easier with your class tank.. there are always chances. Especially where lots of guilds do split runs. Dont get so discouraged before you try. And tbh. When you dps with a group. With things like kick/stun rotations and communication. Dpsing feels like pug tanking. Def try it dude. If you hate it 2 months into SL. You can go back to what you were doing before

[@claudeyaz]

Maybe you might get to tank a "alt run". When guild alt runs are better and higher level than many pug main runs. But seriously. Don't waste the expac launch

[@darttgaming1515]

One thing I'd add to what Preach is saying: Don't be afraid to push your limits. It's how you learn to do better.And the better you are, the more doors open for you.

[@robertcano9227]

Finally, someone says it candidly... This is something people need to understand.

[@turielie]

Names vs class - you brought it up a few times and I just wanted to say, that while I don’t PUG often, I make a point to use people’s char names, and I encourage others to do the same. It’s kind of basic respect to another person but also simply that if you don’t like being referred to as “warrior” or whatever, so why would you do the same to others? It really takes so little effort to look at your unitframes to see their name. If they have weird letters or a really long one, just shorten it. And yes, find a guild too.

[@Dimi.Petrov]

A lot of people miss one part that in my mind is crucial - look for likeminded people. You like to raid heroic only in a bit more laidback atmosphere? Don’t apply for a mythic oriented guild and vice versa. I personally hate looking for a new guild which has been the reason for staying in guilds for far too long. But at the end of the day after some good hunting I found a pretty nice likeminded guild with awesome people in it. The pug world sux big time really

[@dkoykoala1488]

He was right I have nothing now. No one.

[@doomgazer-seeks-the-truth]

Same. 😔

[@korkron8756]

This is what I call a Content Creator. Cheers Preach, have a good one and ty for the advise/reminder.

[@olly3231]

I just want a small guild with chill people who are friends. I don't even care about the progress anymore.

[@vaelicusthepaladin]

Preachin' about meaning in guilds to the younger generation? I bow to you Sir.

[@scratweatherwax]

My last guild went from being decent understanding guys to being split between elitist jerks who spread lies to get rid of people they didnt like and those didnt have a spine to stand up to the jerks. the lies used to justify kicking me meant that I left the game for almost 2 years and since returning a few months ago I've deleted all of my old characters and I havent been able to face the guild application process at all. I'd like to get back to raiding someday, for now I'm having some fun getting through the story content without having people nag me to join a group for dungeons and raids. When I'm ready I'll go looking, but that time hasnt come yet.

[@SarmonOflynn]

Ahhh, it's that time for the Preach's Biannual "Go Find a Guild Before the Expac" community service announcement.

[@Zanjestu]

Was in a guild that dabbled in mythic raiding; say dabble cause we would get stuck on some bosses in bfa like mechatorc and ashvane. No one wanted to do my key most of the time cause I got kings rest most of the time but they wanted me to join their keys. We recently moved to a new server that’s more active. With that said I haven’t ever had issues with pug groups and only joined a guild after MOP when I couldn’t actively pug mythic raids.

[@vampiregoth9]

As the recruiter for a mythic guild, 100% this. Just reach out - it doesn't cost you much and I'm much more likely to put time into someone who seems like they want to be part of our group than to hound people posting in the 'LF guild' section. Even if you end up on the 'bench' part of the roster right now, it's anyone's guess what will happen come Castle Nathria. If you stuck it out and were available your odds of becoming a core raider shoot up.

[@ryans3795]

My guild leader would like to do things and trys to get people involved. The best thing about my guild is nothing is required of you, we will likely be able to mythics but nothing super high. The thing i don't want is every Friday from x-x you must show up or be booted, or in order to partake, you must prove your performance. I would rather be in a guild that barely achieved that includes everyone and helps everyone.

[@vtheman1850]

Honestly team, I've been competitive M+ pusher since it came out and i just want to tell you folks looking to get into progress, DONT BE SCARED progress is a learning experience, how good you are is a rather relative thing. Mistakes happen so often and its fiiineee... the difference between organized runs and pugs are insanee. When u fuck up with pugs it's stress and shouting. When u f up with guilds its fun and bants. One of my co tanks simply couldnt not fuck up aggramar on progress, a great player that just.. brain farted on it, we rip on him, we fuck around with it. My "we are fineee" has become a meme in our community , never mind my tendency to overpull in high keys.... its fineee ull make it.

[@ChinnuWoW]

Also, if your guild doesn’t do what you’d like to do with them often enough but you like them too much to leave, you can join a community which is like a mini guild.

[@SuperMetalSonic360]

wish r/wow could hear this, the amount of whining on there that could be solved by joining a guild is unreal

[@pipos193]

Post it there :)

[@Plasmacat1]

@@NorthAvion bro don't insult Monster Hunter like that. The community there is not toxic as WoW

[@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother]

@@NorthAvion yea the wow /r is a conglomerate of the lowest IQ LFR raiders that inhabit the game.....

[@Diavolo222]

@@youtubedeletedmynamewhybother And sadly threads there still get 10k+ upvotes on absolute NON-issues, that only those casuals fucks get. HAve you seen those 5k+ upvoted \threads about people doing their first +5 cause they were SO AFRAID of even Mythic 0 ? It's fucking insane.

[@Plasmacat1]

@@Diavolo222 OK I get is a meme but this is just being fucking toxic. Casuals rule the game it always has been.

[@s0515033]

I have never been in a guild that has lasted more than 1 expansion. 99% of em have imploded due to internal drama.

[@Spartan2Orion]

Felt that

[@GlycerinGaming]

Look for guilds that have stuck around for a bit. The fresh new guilds can collapse. Tho if you don’t have established logs those guild are good for that. Be ok with leaving guilds during the tier if you aren’t happy.

[@Giliver]

Generally I stick to the big mega guilds/clans in games. They rarely ever disband or have big drama. It's a good place to start atleast, you can make connections with people and keep them even if ya decide to leave.

[@MisterDewong]

Literally an exact example of what he is talking about in this video

[@s0515033]

@@MisterDewong At anything but the high end, most of them are like that.

[@zorbglorbie4046]

Preach’s main point seems to be that if you want to do “high end content”, joining a guild is the most likely way to get what you want and now is the time. Yup, pretty obvious, and good advice if you are one of the few people who wants to do “high end content”. Two things that I would remind Preach though are 1) the majority of players aren’t really interested in “high end content.” Not everyone who drives a car wants to drive formula one or Nascar. The effort and time required would be huge and the results probably wouldn’t be worth the effort. 2) Not everyone wants or needs to be social. I get it, this is a social game, but that 15-year-old introverted kid that gets hit by his dad five times a day because he isn’t good at sports probably doesn’t need to get beat up again by that 20-year-old guild leader who doesn’t need another ret paladin for “his” raid group. As players, we define our goals in-game. If your goals need a group for success and your personality can deal with a guild, go for it. But if your goal doesn’t require all of this churn, or you think you would be happier not being in a guild, it’s no one’s business. You do you.

[@hidden5220]

very wholesome preach! Thanks man

[@Qyouelm]

If you're a tank, Preach's advice is twice as valuable. I don't tank anymore, but trying to find a guild (at least for raiding) at the start of an expansion as a tank is ridiculously difficult, probably because each group only needs 2 of them (maybe 3 so you have a backup).

[@wubbz50]

I cant tell you how happy i am being in my guild with people in different states and countries(yes im NA). And not have to care about meta or comp... because my guild gets everything we want done. Mythic plus/Mythic/Heroic. Guilds are great!

[@adrielpa94]

"The worst that can happen is that they say no". Feels like you're trying to encourage us to ask someone on a date

[@HatTheButcher]

As someone who hates being called by her toons name/class I felt "You become a name" in my chest

[@jamie842]

@moh maud You didn't even understand what was being said. Sit down before you hurt yourself acting like a fool.

[@jamie842]

@Jimmy the premise of the comment is building a more personal relationship as stated in the video.