Predator 224 gets billet parts and ratio rockers

Predator 224 gets billet parts and ratio rockers
Installed an ARC billet rod in the Predator 224 powered Coleman CT200U mini bike along with some 1.2 ratio rocker arms and a set of NR racing chrome-moly pushrods. Also did a gear change from a 5 to 1 ratio to a 6 to 1 ratio.
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Parts used
1.2 ratio rockers - www.ebay.com/i...
ARC billet rod - www.arcracing....
60 tooth rear sprocket - www.ebay.com/i...
NR racing chrome Moly pushrods - www.nrracing.c...
Clear valve cover - www.bmikarts.c...
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[@ezekiel8915]

Awesome video once again!! That 224 is a Beast

[@madness_-yg3lw]

Yah it is my manco thunderbird has a 212 on it and turns 8000rpms and goes a top speed of 60mph black is only turning 6500 and is doing 60mph i cant wait to see how fast it will go when hes able to fully unlock the rpms and turn it up past 7k

[@charlesgraham9954]

i spoke too soon about not being a money pit. now my grandson wants to do that mod 2 cam and governor removal u did last video. thanks a lot.. lol..! im 53 feeling like a 7 - 8 year old. thank u agian for putting in the money and time to do these videos, so we can pick and choose what we would like to try.

[@madness_-yg3lw]

Please be careful these engines can produce alot of power for a young kid and with no governor the con rod or stock flywheel can brake and become dangerous im all for teaching little kids how to build engines but keep in mind they can get a grown man moving 60mph with a kid half the weight they will go even faster

[@jacob8120]

get hot265 cam

[@madness_-yg3lw]

@@jacob8120 definitely looks like a interesting a cam on paper but with the mod2 and 1.2s your still getting more lift and duration then the hot265 but a slightly different lsa of 109.8 so that would be kinda interesting to see power band on a dyno

[@jacob8120]

@@madness_-yg3lw 265 produces more hp and rpms

[@madness_-yg3lw]

@@jacob8120 iv got a mod 2 turning over 8k soon to be hire

[@turbocoupe9212]

What ppl aren’t talking about is that the intake and exhaust runners are bigger than the original predator 212 and hemi engine. I bought both the 224cc and the hemi today to do a Frankenstein build but in the process found that the ports where bigger on the 224cc, so I left that alone. They will also appreciate that the factory muffler is bigger than the other 212 predator engines.

[@Black66]

Ya, you have to oblong the holes in the header to make it fit. The head-on the 224 needs some work. It would be better with 5MM valve stems and automotive-style retainers. I want to try my Tillotson head on the 224

[@christophermichaels6569]

Pretty cool you’re at 66k subs right now. Congrats dude!

[@Black66]

Thanks!

[@huntintherut4432]

@black66 another great video . love the addition of the tachometer !!!!!

[@jeffrykopis5468]

Using plastigage while the crank was still in the block looked like a serious pain in the ass. I probably woulda just slapped the new rod in and hoped for the best.

[@PopeyesCreeper]

dang man you wasted no time! some serious upgrades already to that 224... wasnt expecting a whole new head already! lol

[@PopeyesCreeper]

also sad to see the rod didnt fit flush!

[@sabrom]

"Excellent"! look forward to the next Mod.🤪🤪

[@Black66]

Thanks! More to come...

[@waynebrown5428]

I could here the rpms increase around 38 mph. Great info David!

[@doodlebug6833]

my personal rule for rotating parts is if there is a need for clearance, use hand tools(atleast finish with). At the rate of speed the rotary tool removes materal and the shape the cut makes me uneasy about future points of fractures. Using a file to square up the clearance surface of the rotating part may save future headache, add a nice finish with a peace of mind. Parts aren't cheap, so i usually do my best to clean edges and save meat so i dont always build, break, repeat .

[@Black66]

I appreciate your personal rule. My personal rule is to clearance it and let it rip! I've been trying to "blow up" an engine on this channel for the better part of a year now . No such luck. I think it would make a great video. I have even started mounting cameras down on the frame to catch the carnage. If it doesn't happen soon I will be re-installing the stock internals to artificially make it happen. I need that video...lol

[@doodlebug6833]

N02 XD, theres the small 16 gram canister kits that tap right in the filter/intake on amazon/ebay. Personally i never added multiple kits to one engine though. Ive wondered, could 2 kits blow up a small motor? If not ,that would be a cool little trick to have a 2 stage nitro kit on a bike or kart. Additionally ive been looking at these 179cc engines by a company called LCT being $49.95 per engine, they seem like a another steal of a deal like when there was the 99$ coupon for a 212s. Anyways keep up the good content and may the motor destroy itself under its own power so we may see that sweet carnage video.

[@Black66]

@@doodlebug6833Thanks! That's is a good video idea! Install one of these on a stock Predator too see how long it lives, or like you said the 179cc. I'll have to look into one of those

[@mrbottomfeeder]

Great video. You make it look easy. 👍👍👍👍👍👍 Learning alot. Thanks

[@albertpeterson7134]

Black66 I Picked A Predator 224 Haven't Made Up My Mind What To Put It On Yet. At Moment Iam Building Frijole Mini Bike

[@bob.el.builder]

Thats crazy I made my fully stock 224 hit 67mph with only port and polishing the head and champion rockers for better valve train reliability.

[@N9197U]

He's not leaning down to reduce wind resistance, this thing would be at 75 if he did. You're not gonna believe this, but I've reached 47 mph with a stage 1 79cc bicycle, completely stock internals and governor still in.

[@igokarts4510]

My dynocams CL2 won't fit in the 224. The journal on the cam that goes into the flywheel side cover is too large. Or the side cover receptacle in is too small. I have two of these Cl2's and neither will fit. I have not mic'd them but I would say there is about a 32nd visible difference. As I said I did not mic them but I was a machinist in the Navy post 911 and I have been a journeyman plumber for 16+ yrs. I plan on contacting Dynocams.

[@igokarts4510]

No Starret's at the momento

[@Black66]

Its supposed to be .550 on the cam mains. Thats a trip!

[@Strict30]

Non hemi cam you have that's why

[@Strict30]

@@Black66 I was telling that guy he couldn't use

[@igokarts4510]

@@Strict30 really? I thought the 224 was a non hemi.

[@jayelite114]

Hey @black66 how do you like those rev roller rockers . Ive heard some not so great things . In your experience how have they worked out

[@Black66]

I really like them. I haven't had any problems so far.

[@prestigemaster6610]

@black66 for these mods do you change the valves? I was going to get a billet parts etc but was confused if i needed new valve/pauhrods?

[@Black66]

The reason I used a different head is because it had automotive style retainers so I could use higher valve spring rates . You can use the stock 224 head with billet parts and a bigger cam .

[@jonfisher5405]

Can i add ratio rockers to a Tillotson 225 without chromoly push rods?

[@joshhawn3988]

I have 1 Question, Did you use cut to length pushrods or did you order a specific length to go with your ratio rockers?

[@Black66]

I used NR racing pushrods. 5.110 length

[@OJizzle8]

@@Black66 would that length apply for 1.2 ratio billet rockers for 224cc

[@ant-lr5iv]

I have a tilly 212, should I go with a hot 265 cam or the tilly 225 cam

[@Black66]

Yes the Tilly works great with a 265. I have a Dover power Superman series 265 in The Tilly 212 on the Doodlebug. That bike moves out really well! Check out this video with the 265 cam kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5urmmtjfrWFr5Y

[@ant-lr5iv]

@@Black66 thanks a lot

[@keithcola3906]

Okay this wht I been waiting for!!lol

[@andrewkuhtz]

Black 66, what size push rods did you use?

[@Black66]

The parts are listed in the description of the videos.

[@andrewkuhtz]

@@Black66 the link i clicked on went to nr racings site and shows the pushrods and the sizes they offer. I was just curious what length ones you used for this build.

[@Black66]

@@andrewkuhtz I used the 5.110 length .

[@andrewkuhtz]

@@Black66 thank you!

[@bma4203]

All those mods for such little gain. Still fun tho

[@Black66]

The half second gain from zero to thirty make a big difference in how the big rides.Its not so hard on the clutch with the 60 tooth sprocket. The best part is, it was faster at top speed with the bigger sprocket. These mods support what I'm doing next.

[@VatoX3Tirado]

Hey what do I torque the ec carburetors billet rod to? 150inch lbs ? And I got the cast aluminum flywheel u have what do I torque that one to? I have both of them for my 224 but I haven’t installed them yet

[@jimcornish242]

what jet sizes are you using in that VM22? My 223 is running way fat with the jets that came installed in the GPS carb

[@Black66]

Its running the stock pilot and a 115 main. I live a 3500 foot elvation.

[@Strict30]

Smart swapping head

[@sean7058]

Thats a dish top piston need the hemi flat top piston for that head rais compression

[@Black66]

Check out this build video. Did a wild cat piston kzbin.info/www/bejne/rXmsfKyMipmirtk

[@pbedrook]

Do them ratio rockers make u faster

[@Jkelz1988]

How did you learn all this?

[@Black66]

My dad had a go-kart and minibike shop back in the 1980"s. I have been around this stuff my entire life.

[@shawn6684]

Is that the stock head that came with 224 ? Mine had the different retainers for valves . Lol

[@kingsolomon3175]

60 on a mini bike sounds absolutely terrifying.

[@Black66]

Check out the 70+ MPH videos on the channel kzbin.info/www/bejne/roebmmhvlqyIl9E

[@kingsolomon3175]

@@Black66 😱 suprised you can break 30 hauling them balls around.

[@madness_-yg3lw]

Well i got my 224 all tore down and got the parts on the way i noticed your still turning only 6500 rpms with the 26lb springs you should be able to turn at least 8000rpms as i have the 1.3s in the 212 and it doesnt hesitate to blow past 7000k but what rod number are you running i ordered the 6773 tillotson/ clone rod

[@Black66]

ARC 6773. I'll get it to run faster .

[@madness_-yg3lw]

@@Black66 your 224 is still a beautiful beast cant wait to see you get it dialed in and turn up hard what length chromoly push rods you running in the 224 i was thinking of ordering the stock length rods and using the stamped 1.3s but i really like to run the red ec billet retainers and blue gage 1.3s with the clear valve cover the blue and red i think would look good

[@franzelliott929]

How about a better clutch and add a tooth on the clutch sprocket to pick up 0-30 and top speed

[@Black66]

Every tooth you add to the clutch is equivalent to subtracting 6 teeth from the rear sprocket. It would slow it down from zero to thirty. If you watch the entire series I already ran a 50 tooth rear sprocket. It was too much gear for the engine to pull because the engine didn't have enough torque to overcome the tall tires and gain enough RPM to get into the power band of the cam. Check out the series. kzbin.info/www/bejne/panLo6KQn6uVZ6M

[@franzelliott929]

@@Black66 1 tooth on front should be equal to 4 1/2 to rear and better clutch should make take off better. I do like watching your stuff and like the way you test stuff

[@Black66]

@@franzelliott929 If you check out this video this is a perfect example of how adding or subtracting teeth from the clutch effect the gear ratio . And how sometimes a given set up might look good on a gear ratio calculator but in the real world the engine just doesn't have the torque to pull the gear. kzbin.info/www/bejne/roebmmhvlqyIl9E

[@julianflores2511]

Got the results I wanted on my predator 224 😂 51 mph stock everything tomorrow I’m going to try the air filter only and straight pipe exhaust I got a vm22 mukuni carb but I don’t know if I wanna put it on cuz I feel like my bike is gonna hit 60 with just the air filter and stock carb love the vids thanks for all the help

[@Black66]

What's awesome about this bike is it hit 60 MPH with a 60-tooth rear sprocket! Which makes it quicker. It's more fun to ride now being snappier! Also, it's not so hard on the clutch with the 60 tooth.

[@julianflores2511]

@@Black66 yes cuz I was scared of losing torque cuz I ride a lot on trails but it’s good for both trails and on road thanks alot for all the info 👌✅

[@LuhMani1600]

I want to make my mini bike real tree faster any tip ?

[@LuhMani1600]

It’s a 100cc

[@Black66]

@@LuhMani1600 Check out this playlist on the CC100X. The stuff I did to this bike applies to different bikes. kzbin.info/www/bejne/roS7Yn2sh85kiLM

[@lukemeier1853]

I would have liked to see you try it out without the bigger sprocket first...

[@Black66]

Ill be changing stuff around in future videos

[@jeffrykopis5468]

I have to put my minibike plans on hold, cuz an old friend just offered to sell my old 71 Satellite BACK to me, after 17 years! For $600! Yeah, it needs work, lol.

[@Black66]

That is awesome! Wish I had my first car back!

[@jeffrykopis5468]

@@Black66 Oh, I had my FIRST car in 1975! I was 9 years old. It was a 57 Chrysler. Wish I had THAT one back! But the 71 means a lot to me too, I sold it to my buddy under duress in 2005. Didn't want to. He stuck it in his barn, and it's been there ever since!

[@PopeyesCreeper]

so what do you think this means as far as rods? it seems rods dont fit stock in the 224 afterall? possibly the same with cams according to the guy down below as well? I know little to nothing but maybe only the modified cams fit?

[@Deucealive75]

When billet rods are installed you need to check clearance. Same with the cam. This engine uses clone cams. The guy down below probably is trying the wrong cam. He may be trying a 212 non hemi cam which should not fit.

[@pbedrook]

How can i increase my rpm?

[@turbocoupe9212]

You got lucky because , I bought the same rod and the oil dipper was hitting the block, I had a lot of clearanceing to do.

[@Black66]

You got that right! I have been getting lucky lately with these 58MM engines. Same thing Happened on the Mega moto 223 build.

[@TheAverageG4mer]

Hey brother do you have a business email I would love to send you a video of the bike that I just got my hands on the person before me that a lot of stuff to it but I’m having a few issues I recorded a video and I love to send it to you

[@Black66]

My email is in the about section

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

Shoot I wish my mini did 40 I'm stuck at 38 jiggawatts lol down hill it hits 43 tho lmao good vid tho boss

[@Black66]

Your bike moves out pretty good!

[@SpACeCruizeR2o3]

@@Black66 summer I'm gonna most likely throw the ducar on I'm just lacking some install parts like the mounts converter ECT i have the motor header pipe new jet air filter and a vm22 but the jet is in the new carb I basically did a stage one to it no gov removal or anything it's a pretty red color tho very distinctive in it's hue of red almost pinkish

[@Black66]

@@SpACeCruizeR2o3 Sweet! Gonna be a beast !

[@javierpagan364]

Get a bigger cam looks like the mod 2 doesn't want to rev a lot

[@bacon2589]

Install a flat slide will make a day n night

[@Black66]

Check out my other videos. I have tried multiple carbs.

[@jerethubbard5415]

Should’ve kept the gearing the same

[@Black66]

I have tested many gear ratios with this bike. Check out the CT200U-EX playlist.

[@tbf174]

What length pushrods did you order ?

[@Black66]

Its running 5.110 length pushrods. I have a video coming out soon with a 265 cam in the 224 with the same pushrods. Thanks for watching!

[@tbf174]

@@Black66 I’m running 1.3 gage black venom rockers, with a DynoCams CM Grind Super X 265 Hot Cam.. lost on which push rods to use, 1.3 description says to use stock length.

[@Black66]

@@tbf174 Its running 5.110 length pushrods

[@tbf174]

@@Black66 Right, next question, do I use the 5.110 or the 5.260 (that the 1.3 Gage venom calls out) with the build I listed ?

[@Black66]

@@tbf174 I would use what they recommend.