Prelude to Heresy: The Fall of the Warmaster (Warhammer 40K & Horus Heresy Lore)

[@EDuarteVillanueva]

Erebus: "Hey, baldie. Wanna weave some Chaos?" Horus: "Couldn't hurt"

[@phreakazoith2237]

Golden daddy said gods are wrong but he said nothing about snakes did he?

[@rdtiel]

I was just reading false gods and it really did happen that fast. After his conversation with erebus, even if he caught erebus lying multiple times through the conversation..He became full evil.

[@ineptwizzard]

I was literally just now plodding about on a wiki and thought to myself, god I wish Oculus had done a video on Horus and the early bits so I didn't have suffer through the turgid wiki prose. And then I head to UT and see that 16 min ago, you did! The Emperor provides!

[@mr.smithsgovermentclass4556]

What are the odds indeed... 🤔

[@SindriTheReaper]

Praise the Emperor!

[@themachine7534]

Emperor protects 🙏

[@angelmartinez9729]

Yes he does...

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

You can just...read or listen to False Gods you know

[@NeXvatit]

>”None, however, had ever been granted a singular pride of bearing their genesire’s name in their formal designation” *Iron Hands coughing intensifies*

[@Mr_Bunk]

*Metallic coughing*

[@Redem10]

The Chaos Gods must have felt pretty silly in all the complexity that went into corrupting Horus, when they could have done the same if they had a nice enough sword laying around.

[@BurningFyre]

Im reminded of an often used refrain from my favorite critic channel. We're not seeing their Plan A, we're seeing plans A-Z as things happen. Im sure there were attempts to make it simpler, they just didnt work.

[@mattnorris9152]

Please keep making these, you're channel is the absolute gold standard for 40k lore. Absolutely love it!

[@sotiriospeithis6659]

Horus teaches us many things. For instance, never give your mortally wounded father over to some weird barbarian priest guys you recently conquered. Side effects may include the deaths of billions, the near fall of humanity, and the empowerment of hell itself.

[@rdtiel]

He got khal drogoed

[@aearroyo]

If you experience a tentacle lasting more than four hours please see an inquisitor.

[@UncleMikeDrop]

I like the regret and dissolution of your narrative tone.

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

How each Primarch reacted to the fall of Horus: - *Leman Russ:* Laughs. *Ferrus Manus:* Offers a hand. *Fulgrim:* Doesn't notice, being too busy with a mirror. *Vulkan:* Helps him up, takes advantage of the chance to give hug. *Rogal Dorn:* Gives lecture on how falls can be avoided in the future with better footing. *Guilliman:* Helps him up. *Magnus the Red:* Attempts to warn Horus of his fall, accidentally causes demons. *Sanguinius:* Helps him up, deflects the embarrassment with a joke. *Lion El'Jonson:* Watches without saying a word. *Perturabo:* Builds a cane with antigravity technology, planning to smash it as a lesson to Horus; Horus has long since left though, so Perturabo just sulks. *Mortarion:* Tells Horus to get up, believing that to be helpful. *Lorgar:* Calls this a sign, then stabs Horus in the back. *Jaghatai Khan:* Doesn't notice, too busy on the other side of the galaxy. *Konrad Curze:* Probably tripped him in the first place, but no one knows why. *Angron:* Doesn't care. *Corvus Corax:* Watches without being noticed. *Alpharius Omegon:* Secretly the one who actually tripped.

[@jamesmckenna4460]

Lmaooo

[@jamesmckenna4460]

I love this

[@AurelionTheStoic]

*Laughs in heresy*

[@C4bx732]

But you forgot how [REDACTED] and [REDACTED] would react. [REDACTED] would probably [CORRUPTED DATA], while [REDACTED] would [CORRUPTED DATA]. /[INQUISITION KILL TEAM IS NOW COMING FOR YOU]/

[@bubbasbigblast8563]

@@C4bx732 Ha ha, everybody knows Inquisition kill teams don't really exis-

[@rwagingsloth9528]

I had to pause for a moment and wonder if this was actually a new video. the hype is real

[@Its-Just-Zip]

Ahh, here is the treatise I was waiting for. Much thanks historitor, Ave Imperator.

[@steakface9010]

This channel is so unique in its way of presenting its 40k content. As he presents it as if he is a remembrencer

[@Secean]

I have damned near chronic insomnia and your videos are the best companion I could ask for on sleepless nights

[@AP-kg9dz]

It's taken me 9 days, but as of now I've listened to every episode, very first to most current. Best channel on youtube.

[@Furzkampfbomber]

So you are already in the phase where you wish there were more videos you could binge?

[@AP-kg9dz]

@@Furzkampfbomber I'm systematically going through all the lore channels I like. I work 14 ish hours a day and get alot of listening time. I'm on to a border prince now, but out of all the ones I've tried, and I've tried them all, oculus is my favorite. Makes me feel like I'm in 40k college

[@Furzkampfbomber]

@@AP-kg9dz I think what makes Oculus so special is the character he portrays, giving us an interesting in-universe perspective. Which also means that his character does not have the all-knowing authorial point of view and that he can only work with what a citizen of the Imperium can or might now - and the journey of speculations he takes us along is quite fascinating and interesting. I also remember him saying in a comment that he is a historian in real life, which would also explain a lot - he has a very special and almost scientific approach to the topic. And yes, the way Oculus delivers his texts makes them sound a lot like an audio drama. Only that his work is better - I mean, I really don't like audio books. But when you say 'Wh40k college', the name Luetin09 comes to mind. I don't want to shill for another channel here, but Luetin09 is very close to such a thing as well - he is quite analytical in his vids and his treatises about how time and space work in the Wh40k universe or about how civilisations work in this universe, as well as in general, are unbelievably fascinationg and often way beyond normal story telling. _And_ his way of delivering his texts is, in my opinion, just as calming.

[@AP-kg9dz]

@@Furzkampfbomber I meant more along the lines of it has the feel of sitting in a particularly interesting lecture hall. I've listened to alot of Luetin, I like his channel quite a bit but I doubt I'll ever enjoy any channel more than oculus. If you like 40k short stories "a border prince" is pretty good too.

[@markrtoffeeman]

Why Scribe? Why didn't they put Horus in a stasis field and take him back to Terra to be treated by The Emperor? The fools. Fools. Forgot their training. No strategy. I'd also execute Erebus for the vile Traitor he is.

[@thorshammer8033]

It's a pity Karn didn't end him when he had the chance

[@jbark678]

@@thorshammer8033 I'm resisting the urge to give the Gandalf speech, but it's tough.

[@slippytrippy8122]

Because erebus convinced his horus and his inner circle to try this

[@Cheese21213]

That make sense until they have to go through the warp to get to Terra, who knows what kind of fuckery chaos would throw at them. Maybe if the eldar showed up but I doubt the marines would have trusted the pointies.

[@rudolfambrozenvtuber]

​@@Cheese21213If they were conscious of the risk of "chaos fuckery" then frankly they'd already ceded the point

[@vsGoliath96]

Magnus's entire existence is trying to do the right thing and getting shit on for it.

[@svarthofde2492]

I never moved on from 30k. I live in my pre-heresy bubble and praise the Secular Emperor of Man.

[@MandaloretheSavage]

Man this makes me want to listen to horus rising again...for like the 400th time.

[@misterdepresso3223]

Istvaan sends chills down my spine🥶

[@MoistVonLipwig]

A most insightful and studiously unblenching work, as always, from the foremost scholar in the lesser trodden pathways of our shared history. A truer servant of the Imperium, one is yet to encounter.

[@gregfisher4147]

Chronicler, have you considered loading these vox-transmissions to other platforms, like Spotify?

[@Mesozoic_mammal]

Horus get's some information by sketchy beings in the warp. Horus: So anyway I started blasting!

[@Ozcogger]

Here you go again making the lore fun to get through despite knowing it already. Keep it up always love your work.

[@AP-kg9dz]

Taking a pause from my first to last crusade to listen to this new one.

[@br7693t]

That solemn, resigned pain in your voice.....

[@khazngray]

The first 3 books of the heresy were so depressing, because even though you know what happens, you really want it all to end different. And it keeps seeming like it could.

[@eichler721]

Great video and the format and music was a good choice. Glad I got to listen to new Oculas stuff today.

[@trevorberryhill2398]

I know you hear this a lot, but good god damn, the way you tell your stories and the lore is so eloquent and calming.

[@bbugarschi]

Temba, his arms wide.

[@rdtiel]

Who are you going to believe: 1. Your brother primarch who knows about the warp. 2. Some tattooed lying boi.

[@CrimsonTemplar2]

Great video. You just keep getting better & better at these records.

[@NotNotJoel]

Temba: his arms wide

[@inquisitorgarza312]

The Great Crusade was an era of Heroes and Legends that came together to form the Greatest of Galactic Empires in human history, and an era were by mankind were once again master a Galaxy of Aliens horrors and Madmen. That is why the Horus Heresy is remembered as a Dark time, in a span of a decade the Imperium loss half of it’s Legions, Army, and Mars allies to the forces of Chaos and plunged the Galaxy to the fires of war.

[@jamesmckenna4460]

Ehhhhh Golden Age of Technology humanity did what this empire was _trying_ to do, succeeded, then galactic scale skynet happened. I always assumed the emperor was a big part of the golden age of technology behind the scenes.

[@braxtongrundy4625]

Yes yes ✨✨✨

[@barrylucas8679]

Been waiting for this one and you didn't disappoint!

[@Xenos_hive]

Dear oculus thank you for a transmission on my birthday

[@BlackDeej]

Happy Birthday! Ave Imperator

[@Alexandersync]

You are by far the best lore channel, keep it up! Just a bit of feedback: To say that you cannot understate something is to say that no matter how unimportant you present something as it is in fact even more insignificant. So insignificant that you can never understate its significance enough. Not being able to OVERSTATE the significance of something means that it is so significant that no matter what you do you can not overstate how important it is It is a common mistake and even though I understand what you are saying I wanted to take this opportunity to ensure the correct form is used in future. Again, loved the video.

[@imintheraindripdripdrop]

It's incredible to me that Horus was shown a vision of what the imperium would become because of the emperors folly. And then for said vision to be of the imperium as we know today. Forged from the emperors decision to elevate and alienate horus from him, and call it an honor. To both trust and distrust him. It is both intriguing and deeply tragic

[@DavidELD]

...You know, it took me until now to realize something about Oculus Imperia. WHO IS THIS NORMAL, AND WHY DID YOU LET HIM IN?!

[@jeffreygreen8668]

My thanks to the Oculus; the preceding record pertaining to The Interex has been this far the most compelling to my humble eyes and ears, and this has been most insightful 😎

[@karlarden6260]

Praise Be, Oculus! This is the greatest Happy Friday gift you could have bestowed!

[@trajanfidelis]

Thank you for the video Oculus

[@musicalDrebin]

damn it dude you finally upload a video, but it's on a subject i'm right in the middle of in the False God's book XD

[@asepheleleshabalala1352]

Undoubtedly one of your finest works.

[@MawzGT]

Omg occulus I absolutely love your voice and vocabulary in every video you do.

[@wildheartmactavish4346]

Delightful as always

[@matthewmcneany]

The first lesson every inquisitor must learn and never forget: There is no greater danger to stability and security than Truth. Secrets are not their providence, to keep them is. A claim of 'Truth' has never been a sufficent defence against an accusation of Heresy. It is not merely answers that will be the cause of swift retribution but the questions alone.

[@markrtoffeeman]

An entry Scribe, filled with tragedy and woe...

[@GRBoi1993]

Excellent work as always, Oculus!

[@Thedagda801]

Another fantastic piece of work. Thank you.

[@jeremybott4899]

Great Oculus, as a lowly adept, blessed to have clearance to partake of your great works, a question arose in my mind during your fantastic, as always, chronicling. One wonders, if the statue of Magnus had been present during the vision of the future, would his words have been received differently? As you have eloquently said, Magnus himself was breaking the Emperors laws by being present at said vision. It is not hard to imagine Horus replying to Magnus, "You are not present in the Emperors future either, why would it matter that you debate to continue to trust in him?" Another example of the folly of Magnus, who no doubt would have fallen to the dark pantheon regardless of which of his brothers had already or would soon.

[@ianharrison5758]

The Emperor absolutely planned for Magnus to stay by his side in the coming future, post crusade. He also planned on Horus staying by his side, both playing large roles in protecting and helping advance the imperium. Since the vision was what would happen should he betray the emperor, not just a random potential future, I think a better question to ask is: What if Magnus had shown Horus counter Visions, and explained the nature of foresight, and how it is fluid. I personally believe Horus would be more inclined to refuse chaos, especially if Magnus says he can help heal him regardless so it’s not like he needs to in order to survive

[@tresteg77]

History and origins of the space wolves next, then tactics and stuff. Loved the blood Angels one and Drak Angels one too

[@stephennelson4954]

Ohh yes, I’ve been looking forward to this topic very much.

[@SCP-49668]

I paused my vid to come here! Oculus regale me with your voice and tales!

[@AurelionTheStoic]

Ahh, my dearest oculus, you have delved into grim darkness of the history, of humanities greatest downfall. The fall of Lupercal and the sons of horus, to the fangs of the chaos gods. With a great finesse, you've done the imperium a great service, bringing this back to light.

[@Duppyman695]

#BlameErebus.

[@Duppyman695]

@Abe Froman Indeed!

[@TheRedJadex]

I hope Erebus is eaten by a tyranid and then spit out because he's just that disgusting.

[@michaeleller6555]

First lutin, now you! Getting my required does of emporer lore at last

[@troublemaker9899]

I feel like I'm being read to by Seymour Guado from FFX. I love it.

[@Subject_Keter]

How weird, yesterday I was telling my Grandma about Horus fall and this comes out today

[@nickbaspaly6239]

That was excellent!

[@Boric78]

Wow - well done.

[@charlesdunn6694]

Thank you Oculus!

[@theghostofsabertache9049]

I love your voice. For some reason when you talk I imagine Gustavo Fring is sitting in an easy chair narrating to me.

[@Sephiroth36977]

Oculus, talking about the planet turning into swamp. Me: So it's Nurgle, right? Oculus, talking about bloated, decayed, recognizably imperial humans Me: it was Nurgle. See, I know things...

[@flaxtube322]

Par Excellence, Oculus.

[@warsmithgalvinc4151]

This is fantastic I don't even have to watch it to know it

[@GRBoi1993]

20:45 …well I chose a poor time to be eating oatmeal

[@alannatherson7721]

Are the citations for books cannon in universe or texts that Oculus has created himself?

[@user-ki4bg4ke9g]

I've been looking forward to this

[@KwizzyDaAwesome]

Wouldn’t it be more hilarious/in character though if the Imperium didn’t destroy the Interex at all but couldn’t admit they couldn’t and the Interex just peaced out by warping to the future or using some kind of cloaking technology and they’ve just been watching going “Yeah, this is about what we thought would happen to those barbarians.”

[@bobbysalkeld2634]

They literally have gigantic, gene-sired super men in droves, a leader called the god-emperor of mankind, and they hand over the first amongst equals to a bunch of savage primitives... sometimes the idiocy these genius hero's are capable of astounds me.

[@wanderingpaws3111]

As distracting as it was, I miss hearing him say "Buttstuff Kaiju".

[@widdershins5383]

In all fairness if you knew the primarch was being transported back in an emergency, wouldn’t you get the fuck outta the way for your lords safety? I stand by abaddon for that, Horus needed to be in surgery as quick as possible.

[@Mr_Bunk]

“…if you _knew_ …” That’s the rub, isn’t it? How many of the crushed and dismembered even _knew_ what was happening? It was a (pardon the pun) chaotic situation full of rumour and panic.

[@widdershins5383]

@@Mr_Bunk if they called back to the ship demanding orderlies to the landing pad, somebody knew what was up and should have cordoned off the area. If anyone breaks through because they’re fanatical..crush them.

[@Mr_Bunk]

@@widdershins5383 Except it wasn’t restricted to the landing pad, extending to however many corridors, bays and passageways led to the Vengeful Spirit’s main apothecarion. And on top of this, they had to deal with an Imperial battleship’s worth of panicked, scared crew, armsmen and civilians, sent into frenzy by rumours ranging between “Horus is injured” and “Horus is dead’. Have you ever had to manage a crowd that’s been told 15 minutes ago that their invincible, near-deific leader has been struck down? And who’s to say any coherent message to the _Spirit_ was sent before the rampage? After all, the marines themselves were having to cope with emotions they were, by design, incapable of processing, and their ruthless trampling of the innocent was a product of this. Some may even have found that atrocity cathartic, especially the baseline-loathing Abbadon. Sorry to respond with a wall of text, I didn’t think it was going to pan out like that, but there you go.

[@widdershins5383]

@@Mr_Bunk exactly, once word had come back they should have cordoned off the entire way back. That was a failure on the regular army dude for not keeping control of the civilians. Yes the space marines might have found it cathartic to trample them, but they were also in a state of hyper awareness because their “father” figure and lord was critically injured by something they had no idea about. Again, I’d be trampling people to get him to the medics as well. they knew what was happening, they knew what space marines could do to baseline humans and they still got in the way because they were panicked? Fuck’em. They shouldn’t be there and they should waiting word in the designated areas. Same reason we don’t let regular people into surgery and even today if you don’t get out the way your basically trampled by medics lol Also as a random design side not, shouldn’t the medic bay be as close to landing bays as possible? For just this reason? 🤔 that just seems like shitty ship design lol

[@UncleMikeDrop]

Honesty about the dangers if Chaos could have prevented all of this.

[@gannonfrank]

very true they were open although would have sought to be antonymous from the imperium but open to work with them even somewhat give homage and Horus was on the way of doing that but the imperium were not aware of chaos and the other were very aware and with the word bearers stealing the very sword that would be the down fall of Horus the war that destroyed them began its almost poetic in a sad way

[@maxc.8340]

While I wish that was true, hubris would be humanities downfall. 'Well yes, Chaos did fuck everything up it touches, but *I* will not fall! *I* will dominate it!' Will be common. An Inquisition would still be needed, but cults will still form, as in the 41st Millennium and in the legions, the Lodges will still form. They were not chaos aligned (save some probably, looking at you word bearers) at first. Like a young man thinking that *he* will not crash his car while driving drunk, not all crash but if, or rather when they do... And primarchs? Did Magnus not make deals with (although not known to him) Tzeench? Would Erebus not move much sooner to Chaos after Monarchia, or even before, if it was more well known? I, of course, am not all knowing and might be wrong. Humanity could prosper more and longer if they knew of the threats. But alas I do not think so

[@Matihood1]

Poor Magnus. He tried his best but either failed and achieved nothing or outright made things worse.

[@beemus1827]

OOOOOOOOOOOOUG NEW VID YES YES WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[@joevines3428]

You said it pal.

[@NeiasaurusCreations]

Stepped out of the light to re-emerge as luna wolves. Long live the luna wolves, death to sons of horus.

[@AHawtin]

Always feel sorry for Magus of the past. He was just trying to be a good son.

[@peterwight3918]

Awesome. Keep making good content!

[@markrtoffeeman]

I'd take Erebus head, if I had the opportunity. There should be retribution against the most vile of traitors. I feel he has gotten away with what he did.

[@nunyabusiness7018]

Thanks

[@clovisursa497]

Last time I was this early, the Necrons still had cancer.

[@PatS152]

Oculus, your videos are of high quality and creativity. Thank you for them, they are always enjoyable. I hope you are doing well.

[@servit0r]

mmmh tasty Oculus Imperia upload omnomnom

[@C4bx732]

Does anyone know what the name of the image that occulus used that had marble like statues of Horus and the other space marines? Ive seen it before and I cant find it

[@jwb_666]

Oculus, amazing work as always, I'm really tired so no philosophizing for me but I have to say you sound a little sad when saying your twitter username :/ I miss buttstuff kaijo too

[@Azaghal1988]

Same brother, was always a giggle at the end

[@GroundGame.]

" In other words: *One bad Space STD. . .* "

[@graemealkins9138]

I see where this going...👍👍👍

[@markcoroneos7811]

*Occulus didnt kill himself* The inquisition wants to know your location

[@mikewaterfield3599]

Hey Horus come to the dark side, we have cookies 😁!

[@Voron_Aggrav]

well, seems the Emperor decided to guide me here, for I was just looking for something to watch

[@SandboxMagician787]

Yooooooo, we're here.

[@driton4titon557]

Could the emperor have known what was taking place but left it to Horus to decide with free will for himself

[@williamfrancis5367]

Maybe, or he thought leaving it up to Horus was the safest bet. Based on his visions of the future. I'd argue most of the Emperor's decisions were based on a risky gamble to establish a galactic power as quickly as possible in the power vaccum left by the eldar and the birth of Slaanesh. We know that mass production of the Astartes was done on a rushed gamble. The project leader believed that there were too many flaws in the genome for them to used yet, but the Emperor said that there wasn't the time. In a sense the Imperium's creation itself was a cosmic dice throw that nearly succeed... and failed horrifically.

[@williamfrancis5367]

@@saulwright5663. For how long though? The webway project were dashed and people who picked up where the emperor and inner circle left off after the great scouring were in no position to take the next steps. By the war of the beast, they were pretty much the same opportunistic tyrants who rule the species during the age of strife.

[@jamescampbell39]

It is a pity that Horus saw the future from a certain point of view. As it is written " Who do you serve and who do you trust" . The statues were of the loyal legions primarchs, while those that were not were of the traitor legions.

[@iainhansen1047]

Well I’m sure ocules is going to get another visit from the inquisition after this......

[@thewayfarer8849]

It's a shame Horus didn't get more novels in the Horus Heresy series. Really good showing in the first two books, Vengeful Spirit, and Slaves to Darkness. And the duels in the Warp for the Siege are a great idea being finished. But I wish there were more novels featuring him (although the FW books really express how tactical he was in a way that makes his rebellion seem less convoluted).

[@mduckernz]

FW books? Sorry I don't get the reference. Keen to read more on Horus though. I've read both of Vengeful Spirit and Slaves to Darkness though, both were good :)

[@jakewu8268]

Bit late, but I agree with this. I’m planning on getting the audiobooks for both of those HH books.

[@bloodgoat]

I kinnnnda understand why Horus was so pissed

[@b_g_c3281]

_...Bravo!!..._

[@kyttraus]

Finally my fix!

[@edovetube]

I always wondered what was the Emperor's end of the bargain with the Ruinous Powers? The Emperor could have avoided this by telling at least the Primarchs about Chaos and explained to Magnus why he should keep away from it. Could have trained the Librarians to function like the Grey Knights.

[@UGNAvalon]

My guess is that the more ppl know about Chaos, the more chances that someone’s going to overestimate their chances of “handling” such power, get corrupted, find ways to seduce other knowledgeable ppl with the “gifts” of Chaos. With ignorance, esp with all forms of religion purged upon encounter, there’s a strong chance of potential seeds of Chaos corruption being nipped long before they have a chance to take root. (But of course, this also requires that ALL sources of potential corruption are destroyed, and not, say, hidden within Legion vaults. It also means that there’s no opportunities for contingencies & safety nets to contain corruption once it inevitable appears.)

[@williamfrancis5367]

In The Master of Mankind, the emperor states he gave them an veiled warning about this. In Horus rising Horus does know about the daemonic powers of the warp, and makes a fairly accurate guess about what the emperor is doing on terra.

[@darkhighwayman1757]

Knowing also make you vulnerable to the whispering of the warp

[@edovetube]

Thanks for the insights. I never thought of it that way. Still feel like the Pysker of Pyskers could have checked his sons /generals for chaos taint at times. Since they were kidnapped by Chaos and the fact he didn't have the greatest relationship with some, like Angron and Mortarian. Or have Malcador install.. minders with their legions to watch for taint.

[@ZeroNumerous]

The Emperor's end of the bargain may very well have included not speaking of the Ruinous Powers to any. For, in keeping this dread secret, did the Emperor damn several of his sons to corruption. The Ruinous Powers play the Great Game, and to that end would know that this secret would tear apart the Emperor and his sons in time.

[@rainsoakedscribe7068]

"Into this conflagration strode...Erebus." And I had a knee jerk "Fuck Erebus."

[@benjaminschollnick4051]

The one dislike is Lorgar, I'd bet 5 Thrones on it.