Pressing a Vinyl Record can actually be affordable!

Vinyl is undergoing a huge resurgence these days, so we took a trip to DeepGrooves Vinyl pressing in The Netherlands to see what the process is all about!
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[@ganglu]

Self mastering for vinyl is doing your music a disservice. My band just spent a lot of time and money to make something great. We went to a mastering plant that knows how to finish specifically for vinyl and the test press sounds so amazing. Don't cheap out on the mastering if you plan to press vinyl.

[@GabrielEugenio87]

what he was trying to say is that they don't have a cutter mastering guy. Even the gear. A lot of greats band do it like that. They work with their favorite cutters. And they only send the stampers to be pressed.

[@Glamosapien]

Most people cant tell mastered from Un mastered xD

[@Glamosapien]

@@elseptimo77 i know it well im a guitarist. But there is an element of playing music of doing it for yourself . Im sure theres plenty of things painters notice in their own paintings that most others dont

[@antoniofrederic6737]

Hate to burst your bubble but some people can manage to do it themselves with intelligence and avoid getting ripped off.

[@massapower]

EXACTLY!! Always go to a PRO. Self mastering geniuses that work with laptops ain't the way. ANALOG BaBy!🤩👍🏻😎👊

[@HerrNox]

Vinyl mastering is not voodoo. Here's what you need to look for : 1. Use something like Nugen Monofilter and keep everything below 300hz in mono. 2. Hi-Pass at 40hz (30hz is playing with fire and there should not be anything below 20hz). 3. Lo-pass at 15khz. 4. Use de-essers a lot, especially on vocals. And at 8.4khz on cymbals. Highs will sound way harsher on vinyl. 5. Maximum length is 20 minutes per side if you want to keep a good sound quality. 6. Between -14 and -12dB RMS is loud enough. There's no such thing as loudness wars with vinyls and you want to keep your dynamics mostly intact.

[@RCAvhstape]

Just a note: I hate when people call them "vinyls". They're "records". Sorry, just a pet peeve. Good post, though.

[@HerrNox]

Helium Road English is not my first language so thanks for the info!

[@FrankTuesday]

@@HerrNox What you said is perfectly correctly, and completely unambiguous. A "record" is any recording, and can be in any format. An album is a collection of songs, and again is not confined to any format. Vinyl is a specific format for delivering a recording or album.

[@RCAvhstape]

@@FrankTuesday When speaking of music or sound, a recording is called a "recording". The plural of vinyl is vinyl, not "vinyls", and when speaking of records made of vinyl, the correct term is "vinyl record", or just "record". "Vinyl record" is useful for making a distinction between older shellac records and modern vinyl records.

[@Btvstudio]

good info

[@honeyfrost3355]

I hate mondays *sees new video from Glenn Ehh I guess its better then

[@gregmerritt9366]

Sean King Glen, Hennig, Fluff and co.'s videos are a tonic to the morning news.

[@earthninja777]

that and also vids from fluff

[@Souchirouu]

Comes to the Netherlands goes to Leeuwarden of all places xD Hope you had a good time though and don't forget to check out our beer!

[@HimTortons]

Hell yeah, the beer is something I look forward to when I go the Netherlands. Especially since you guys have Dutch and Belgian beer!

[@veli86]

@@HimTortons Belgian beer > Dutch beer. We do have a couple of decent beers but, mweh.

[@HimTortons]

@@veli86 yeah Belgian beer is better than dutch but dutch is still pretty good. I wish I could buy either in Germany. You've got the occasional store that sells Grimbergen but thats it

[@gregmerritt9366]

Souchirouu Y'all have some of the world's most beautiful, amazing architecture in the Netherlands as well.

[@koffieverslaafde627]

Am I the only dutch person that kinda hates the netherlands?

[@Gibboncore]

Mastering and cutting are two very important parts of pressing vinyl which often get overlooked. Hadn't previously heard about the dark arts involved in putting lo frequencies into mono. very interesting.

[@omegaflameZ]

Holy crap that's actually super affordable if their calculator isn't too far off the mark.

[@PooNinja]

stereo bass would toss the needle off the platter. :(

[@Microtonal_Cats]

low bass should probably be mono on a digital release too. Unless it's as an effect, and not for very long.

[@GabrielEugenio87]

@@Microtonal_Cats The most proper thing when its come to delay fx or reverb. Use it just on the medium, high frecuencies of the sound.

[@russbradshawmusic]

I actually asked about this in the JST forum and everyone said it wasn't affordable and someone even told me I should quit music if I couldn't afford it lol.

[@1810jeff]

It may even get more affordable if certain technologies keep getting cheaper to make for instance if 3d printers get better and more precise you could soon be able to print out records but that probably won't happen for a few more years to a decade.

[@judosailor]

Love the Robotech shirt! Haha.

[@cjthetallpoet]

Glenn I learned so much you and your videos. Keep being amazing!

[@finscreenname]

Funny how they say digital sounds different because it's digital. Now I just learned that records have been cutting tones out along with some parts having to be in mono. I guess every way recording loses something.

[@TheJakePoole]

Glenn! So this is off topic from the video, but I just ordered a buttload of recording gear. My decisions were strongly based on your reviews, among other KZbinrs, as well as the ever-so-limiting budget. I got a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20 2nd Gen, a set of CAD Pro-7 drum mics (for now, just to be able to record drums until I can afford better, but I have heard decent results with them), 2 Kali LP-6 Monitors, 10 15ft XLR cables, a Countryman Type 85 Direct box, and got the free download of Cakewalk, and am a few days into the 2 month free trial of Reaper, (most likely gonna buy it). I already have a built PC, a decent laptop, have a Peavey Stereo Chorus 2x12 from the 80's which I think sounds quite nice, and I already have several guitars, and a nice Pearl Session Custom Maple drum kit, all of which have gone through a recent setup and got new strings and heads. Future investments include better mics, sound control supplies (Studio foam, DIY bass traps, etc.) and a Focusrite Octopre Dynamic, mostly so I can do more with drum recording. I haven't recorded anything since around 2007, and gear has changed a LOT since then. Would you say I am off to a good start? I am doing this more for myself, to record my own songs, rather than trying to start up a studio, but I think it would be pretty cool as a side job once in a while. Being close to the Nashville area, maybe it could turn into something, who knows?

[@newphilmz3605]

I can tell when listening that vinyl doesn't have as good bass as CDs. One reason I prefer CDs. (I still like vinyl)

[@Etherealtheband]

Very cool. Hope one day I can have vinyl pressed

[@djlnrmcmlxxxi8967]

Living legend for this video..

[@sickstrings]

Apparently the lower frequencies create valleys that overlap into parallel grooves.

[@NacekO]

Hey awesome. I just released my first song so this will definetly be something I am going to be looking into in the near future. Awesome stuff Glenn, love your vids. Cheers from Slovenia.

[@peterdebad1]

Thanks Glenn! Did not know about them! Will check them out!!

[@m.d.4949]

Good to know! Thank You!

[@jansonpig]

Graphic? Check it out online? That's a fantastic idea!

[@lilatacesongs]

amazing interview, thank you

[@hadleymanmusic]

But Glen, in LA theres gotta be some presses layin around

[@ack9049]

Hey Glenn, cheers from the Netherlands

[@SC4211]

I really want vinyl to make a come back, because from what I understand a shit load of art and other cool things came with it. Stuff you don't get with CDs. I would have loved that as a kid.

[@chrisact9601]

Yeah, except now the bands have websites, instagram, youtube, twitter and facebook. It was sooo much better in the old days when all we had was the album sleeve.

[@SC4211]

At what point did I say anything was better? And yeah, maybe when it comes to buying albums, it was better then, anyway. More of an experience than a CD with a blank lyric booklet. OR a fucking twitter page. Are you seriously saying you take twitter over a fleshed out, jam packed album?

[@chrisact9601]

@@SC4211 OK, I'm not have a go at you. And sure, fuck twitter. What I am saying is that we are spoiled for info these days and it's right at your fingertips. The album sleeves normally contained less info that you can fit into a CD booklet. OK, you got the nice big artwork with the album but there was really no other benefit. But now you can log onto a website and get the band's bio, lyrics, tour dates, maybe a forum where you can chat with the band, download photos and videos or buy a t-shirt. It really is so much better than just getting a cardboard album sleeve and maybe catching them on the radio or TV if you happened to be listening or watching when it was being broadcast because vinyl's heyday was pre-world wide web. But what I guess you're saying is that you just want it all. Because you already have all that online info and media and now you want an album sleeve as well. OK. Go for it. It's your money.

[@SC4211]

Dude. Jesus. Chill out. I'm just talking about buying albums. That's all. All I'm saying is that I'd rather buy a piece of artwork with an album instead of just a CD. I'm not saying time needs to reverse or any of that shit. You're reading insane amounts of shit into me just wanting a type of media to return.

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Chris MAD

[@putridabomination]

It's always a good day when Glenn uploads. \m/

[@Janarcus]

Never expected you would come to the netherlands!

[@peterschmidt9942]

Well there you go. Just shows the frequency range of vinyl vs digital. Any doubters still? Having different coloured pressing's is still cool though.

[@homevalueglass3809]

My ears cant here anything above 5khz anyways, just kidding. Vinyl is still cool as shit though.

[@TripDaly_AndiTripDaily]

Records are still all around better! I can list all the pros compared to the cons of CD/Digital.

[@lukasg4807]

​@@TripDaly_AndiTripDaily like what? CD's have objectively better sound, vinyls are fun and I like them, but they don't sound better (and a lot of bad pressings sound significantly worse)

[@TripDaly_AndiTripDaily]

@@lukasg4807 There are many factors that I can detest your theory to say that. Records will always be vastly better and more worth the bang for your buck than CDs anyday. Unfortunately it's become so trendy to say "vinylll" like a silver spoon feed yuppie valley girl that doesn't know what a receiver & pair(s) of speakers are and only buys repressed records that are majorly are junk quality to begin with and never upgrade from buying a cheesy rookie crosley player with a plastic needle and garbage quality. I even have an extensive 8 track tape collection to of which as an audiophile, I can honestly say that they are not in anyway as crap/junk as what people have to tell. I even know of a company called DeadMediaTapes that are actually even begin to bring them back from the dead but hopefully it stays more within us true die hard audiophile fanatics and doesn't because trendy like listening to my "vinyl" which is another thing the trend herd mentally like to say when in that case it would be vinyls which sound dumb ass shite and therefore always should be called as they are, "records"

[@Roni8848]

I love vinyls, but didn't see that coming xd very positively suprised!

[@aarondunn4493]

Lacquer Channel are great. Was on a record mastered by them a while back. Great facility too.

[@guitarmanjoe9450]

Glenn how do can you crank up a amp without your neighbor's hearing it.

[@ImJustMe39]

Great vid Glenn. It's so cool that there's a company doing vinyl. And wtf did you say at the end.....hasa what?

[@Elite7555]

Don't really know if it is a stupid question, but considering those limitations, why even bother with vinyl? Apart from the fact that you also need special equipment to even play it.

[@edwincancelii2917]

Leewarden, Friesland.

[@tyscheuermann]

Glenn, before you record guitar tracks do you do like a "pre-mix" and get a basic sound or do you leave it be until you have the final takes to the song then do the EQing and everything else?

[@FeyScribe]

The website doesn't show those amazing vinyl colors, I was really hoping to flip through some pics. You could put a portfolio?

[@ZandrerEilros]

This is why it's better to press CD's. 1. Comes out exactly as produced. No mastering for the format. 2. Sounds great every time. 3.Doesnt cost near as much. 4.Can play on multiple devices (dvd, blu-ray players & most game consoles. And 5.You don't have to have an expensive player to get great sound quality. Don't get me wrong love records. But way too expensive.

[@AssortedBits]

Hopefully you were able to see more of the town/city center or this former prison!

[@doommantia6925]

Guy and Glenn get back to whatever drugs they were doing after the interview lmao.

[@thedinobros1218]

How do I record a song on a 78 like how people did in the early 1920s

[@timsmith5327]

Wicked

[@rayrobinson2074]

RIAA curves, the last (only?) good thing they ever did.

[@DAVIDGREGORYKERR]

Don't you have to have good ventilation to get rid of the fumes given of from hot PVC?

[@karaloca]

I’d swap any of my vinyl, for a CD equivalent any day.

[@DrDroogkloot]

So close to where i live🤣 great

[@reggiewood5164]

About time you brought back the book of Mormon sign off

[@ruinsoftruth]

I have always believed the audio quality of (good) vinyl sounds vastly superior to CD or digital. Now hearing about cutting off frequencies and keeping certain frequencies in mono, I don't see how the hell that is even possible. Could it be that our ears have been trained to hear music that way since the beginning? Or is digital music just so over-compressed that you wouldn't hear those frequencies in the first place?

[@ruinsoftruth]

@Rugaliz True. It would mostly be bass and kick drum in those low frequencies, which I would generally mix in mono anyway. But when you take a whole frequency range of a mix and keep it in mono, while the rest is in stero, it seems like it would change the sound of the mix quite a bit.

[@Stefan-]

@Rugaliz CD is technically capable of far more dynamic sound than vinyl and also better frequency response, but the different mastering for each media is what can make CD sound less dynamic because of the loudness war where many mastering engineers compress/brickwall the sound until it sounds flat unfortunately.

[@Stefan-]

@Rugaliz Yeah, its a pity that they tend to trash the master for CD by brickwalling it flat as a pancake since the CD format has great capabilities to sound as good as anything really. If they put the same master that is on the vinyl on a CD instead (without the RIAA correction), im sure it would sound even better than the same master on vinyl.

[@MrSHebiK]

*talking about sound engeneering with sound engeneer* He: wow, i had no idea about that! He seems trustworthy.

[@derkernspalter]

What exactly is your point if he never engineered anything for vinyl before?

[@bababooey3495]

I actually want to make a custom album its like three records

[@AFNacapella]

wow, ~6€ per record (200pcs, 12" 2 sides

[@originsofnimbus]

Go check out the aristides factory

[@realraven2000]

Did he mean totally brick wall below 250Hz? or just attenuate with a 6db/octave filter?

[@arjovenzia]

like with all engineering, its a tradeoff. you want max runtime on your disc, you gotta stonewall it. If your cool with way less time, you can let the low frequency get real phat. to get big low end, the needle has to move A LOT. so the tracks have to be way further apart. less runtime. If your a house DJ, no way would a 250hz cut be acceptable. if your cutting a pop record, mo tracks is mo moneh. or compromise, and filter appropriately. get a good engineer.

[@GabrielEugenio87]

He was talkin about the mid-side processing. In other words: cut the low frecuencies to20 to 200hz to 250hz in the stereo image.

[@LasseHuhtala]

So who presses the best vinyls these days, is it MPO or someone else?

[@ivanmaskov]

I got vinyl acetate record from lewitt microphones only 5 made ;)

[@TheArachnid]

When people say vinyl is better but it cuts off a bunch of frequencies oop

[@depriety4625]

@@graxjpg Please explain to me how the fuck my 30-year-old record player is supposed to "make up" for frequencies that *do not exist*

[@TheArachnid]

@@depriety4625 Exactly! I'm a fan of vinyl too, but the fact of the matter is that records do have a cutoff

[@depriety4625]

@Rugaliz I actually do own a couple of albums both on vinyl and in lossless digital formats, but there would be no point in comparing them since a) my vinyl player is kinda meh and b) at least one of aforementioned albums was probably mastered wrong for vinyl because it has the exact distortions talked about in this video. So obviously it's gonna sound better listening to the .flac through my studio headphones than it does listening to it on a record player that is older than I am, through speakers that are standing in a large, very echoy room. But even if I did prefer the sound I'm getting from vinyl (which I don't, I just like the vibe of having a physical record to hold in my hands) that would not be the point I'm trying to make, which is that when mastering for vinyl you *have to* cut off certain frequencies and that those are not just magically coming back "electronically".

[@manuhendriks4302]

Hi Glenn! If you had to choose between recording a modeling amp combo (like Boss Katana) or a clean transistor combo (like a fender champion) with pedal gain, what would you choose and why?

[@TripDaly_AndiTripDaily]

Records are still all around better! I can list all the pros compared to the cons of CD/Digital

[@warendemierda]

shut up, snob

[@adamrichards2072]

Picture discs?

[@marcuszc3172]

WHAT T HHE FUCK YOU ARE IN NEDERLAND ??? COOL !!

[@jarnobopman3230]

G E K O L O N I S E E R D

[@Evilwhiteclownpunk]

I like my vinyl records like I like my coffee... black...

[@deengew]

that femina ridens movie rules, and the composer is italian dawg, they don't press only artists from the netherlands

[@EliteXclutchX21]

Quentin Tarantino ??

[@MaartenFranken]

And you dont even drop by when youre around the corner? :P

[@shamicentertainment1262]

"At the moment it's 6-10 weeks" "SIXTY TEN WEEKS!?!" "No, 6 TO 10 weeks"

[@sirhenners204]

nice madagascar 2 reference my man

[@maxscardanelli6185]

The problem with modern day vinyl records is that it sounds the same as listening to a CD. Reason being is that everything these days is recorded digitally and then put on an analogue listening platform. The analogue listening platform in this case being the vinyl record. Therefore the sound isn't the same and that's also how you lose information when pressing digitally recorded stuff to vinyl records.

[@misterknightowlandco]

Yeah, the sound comes how you record the music, not how you listen to it.

[@Toxicity1987]

There is lots of modern Stuff out there that was recorded analog. You don't hear a difference there either. Doesn't matter if you record on a hard drive or a 8 inch reel, production quality got so high that you can't hear a difference.

[@maxscardanelli6185]

@@Toxicity1987 I can hear the difference. So can my dad who's been making records twice as long as Glenn.

[@Toxicity1987]

@@maxscardanelli6185 Ohh the old "But I can hear a difference" while in a blind test everyone failed.

[@dannyroe1697]

"jots down Femina Ridens" Pauses Video.......

[@darlyngton_nyc]

4:02 BET.

[@RemyRAD]

And another revelation for the college grad. Who has been doing this for over 20 years now. That learned not one scrap. About mixing for vinyl. I guess that's on a par. With only just discovering a patchbay, last year? You're doing good, Glenn. Pretty soon... YOU MIGHT BE SEMI-PREPARED TO MAKE YOUR OWN RECORDINGS? And you're only learning now that they combine the left and right channels together below 250 Hz? Only now? That is terribly disappointing, Glenn. I would tell your recording university you want your money back. And don't you worry none about anything over 50 kHz. You're already deaf. All that semblance and high-frequency splash. Will all get taken care of with, De-Esser's. Along with judicious amounts of, High-Frequency, limiting. What? They didn't tell you about that? How dare they? How could they leave something so important, out? That's just, gross incompetence. It could've been so much better.

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RemyMAD

[@puddles5501]

i had no idea Mr Beast ran a vinyl press!

[@FeyScribe]

The website doesn't show those amazing vinyl colors, I was really hoping to flip through some pics. You could put a portfolio?

[@originalcompositions197]

Spectre, you always make videos I want to watch and I always find out something new/interesting. Great work for years..

[@venox314]

Would you guys recommended this for good a reliable presser? Looks pretty good imo.

[@BeingAMonkey]

Wait, how can audiophiles love vinyl when you lose so much information.

[@vexari01]

That's what I want to know as well. Pretty much confirms to me that there's definitely a pretentious reason why people buy vinyl

[@chrisact9601]

Because they're used to the distortion. Seriously. They don't call it distortion. They call it "character". Which is fine. They should listen to vinyl if that's what they love.

[@BeingAMonkey]

@@graxjpg Would you mind telling me where to start?

[@Mr.Unacceptable]

@@BeingAMonkey Start where it interests you. Not all of it is interesting and you have to slog through lots of boring material to get the info you're after. A case of not even knowing the question exists to be able to ask. Sit and listen to smart people pontificate on the topic.

[@BeingAMonkey]

@Rugaliz I have quite alot of vinyl and I love it. My argument is that those people who can't stop telling everyone how vinyl is so much better than digital need to quiet down.

[@pradesmastering5746]

GZMedia Specs: HP Filter 35Hz (better 40Hz) 20-120 Hz in mono (or close stereo imaging)

[@rahimabdul9531]

If i want to duplicate its possible sir

[@jerdan2834]

Yo, Mr. Beast has a vinyl plant

[@nevilleandann]

I need some Vinyl press I have the record for you to press

[@HenkBakker]

whoohooo, you were in the netherlands.. welcome in our country. hope you enjoyed it. I will definitely look up deep grooves as I'm also researching different ways of releasing our records. but for beginning bands that make 75 euros per show..... it's very hard to buy a huge pile of vinyl

[@autobotsNdecepticons]

Vinyl was fun for kids. It's simple and easy to use. But I don't miss that hiss and scratch for listening to music.

[@kehindea]

10 weeks??

[@tehsimo]

sooo how is vinyl better when you have to chop out a load of frequencies?

[@Fresh_I.S.C.]

wow! glenn isnt wearing his bad news shirt!!

[@Nidstang_]

That Robotech shirt thoughhhh

[@Vanes-NL]

So basicly cut half the spectrum. And they say vinyl sounds better...

[@SpectreSoundStudios]

Not quite... there’s a “pre emphasis” curve in the phono preamp the counter balances things.

[@JoeChewBaca]

The RIAA curve

[@Vanes-NL]

@@SpectreSoundStudios cool, i didn't know that. Never too old to learn

[@thorntonquagmire3208]

If your not recording through outboard into a console to 16/24/48 track tape then playing back through outboard and a console to 2 track tape then taking 2 track tape to be mastered to vinyl then yes this makes perfect sense. If you engage a computer at any stage of the process its no longer analogue and compact disc or made ready for online spotify etc is your media of choice. Anything else is pure hybrid and nostalgia and requires serious methodology to achieve with the results becoming a compromise. Go analogue or go digital but don't go both.

[@AnyDrug]

Aawww, come on, Glenn. Femina Ridens is '69s italian movie soundtrack. Has not much to do with Holland... xD