Going Over Arianne III

I sit down and go through Arianne III pointing out some easter eggs and talk about how things came together.
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[@halocemagnum8351]

This one was actually done really well. I think the way you described Farring was actually so good. It’s terrifying, because he’s one of the few people who truly understands the gravity of the war in the north, and the threat they pose, and yet hearing him talk about it honestly, he sounds completely insane. Which is just scary from the perspective of the reader, because we know what Adrianne doesn’t.

[@chemputer]

Historically, buckets of extremely hot sand would be dumped on attackers by the defenders of a castle. You can't drink sand, it's not valuable, it retains it's heat pretty well, and it gets everywhere.

[@MrGruzefix]

Haha, imagine Anakin attacking a castle then ...

[@AlexDelux2500]

It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere...

[@alanpennie]

You can't get away from The Sand.

[@nutyyyy]

Yes, although it's worth noting that it's impossible to say how common such things were. It all comes down to the availability of stuff to throw at attackers. There's accounts of hot oil being used in the siege of Orleans in 1428-1429. Whether it was hot or boiling is debatable, as well as what sort of oil it was. Possibly, it was just hot cooking oil. As for hot sand, the main example that comes to mind is from the campaigns of Alexander the Great. I believe the defenders of Tyre used hot sand boiled in bronze pots and threw them at the Macedonians. Or shot them from various engines. So there are certainly some examples. In the Irish Annals, there's an account of the siege of Chester in 918 where the Saxon defenders used rocks, boiling/hot water and ale on the Norse attackers, as well as throwing some behives at them. The norse used all sorts of covers and hides to counter this. The account lists various back and forth measures from both sides. Of course, all of these methods are likely spur of the moment based on what was at hand. But in story terms, you could easily use any of them. I doubt that the availability of beehives or hot sand for the defence castles or towns was a priority for the inhabitants, though. But it's a plausible method in addition to all the others available.

[@MrSilvUr]

If Ned can climb around the outside of the Red Keep, I think our boy here can climb down a floor.

[@janwouter5215]

I don't get why people dislike Arianne's chapters. There is so much she does not understand but the reader can put together.

[@Wallace43266]

She isn't Jon, Dany, or Tyrion

[@alialmuhanna4938]

Right off the bat, I want to commend the person who came up with the line about the fake maester’s hands being like Ser Arys’; brilliant.

[@alanpennie8013]

Great cluing.

[@JoniukasVader]

Back are we and

[@mostlytoasty801]

I don’t get why everyone calls the arianne sample chapters boring! Tap that sweet golden company lore into my veins!!!

[@jakub_paints6775]

@@konstantinkrastev4478 very well put. Against the literall ice zombie apocalypse, some random desert s hole plot means nothing.

[@a.k.summers5633]

Same. Golden Company + Dorne. Give me give me

[@LincolnMaurice]

I love them exploring the caves, seeing the blind fish etc. The descriptions are really enjoyable.

[@shinjinobrave]

​@@konstantinkrastev4478 speak for yourself, I love Arianne in particular and Dorne in general!

[@BenJover]

@@konstantinkrastev4478 That's because the community is still mostly normies who want standard fantasy bs ending

[@PainCausingSamurai]

More than any of the others, these last two chapters feel like George himself wrote them. I actually had to remind myself that the scene with Jon sharing his poem with Rhaegar wasn't actually in A Dance With Dragons.

[@Charles-In-Charge]

That in particular was incredibly real to me

[@wisdommanari6701]

Uh yeah he loved his silver prince we see people, reminisce and think about their lost loved ones all the time family friends people that have feelings for that never confessed, what's your complaint?

[@PainCausingSamurai]

@@wisdommanari6701 it was a compliment?

[@barbaraludwiczak6798]

Yes, if ever winds of winter be eventually published, it would be like the alternate reality.

[@Sheldonthecow]

I don't think rhaegar gave a fuck about jons poems Preston def reaching

[@usn014]

This was my favorite chapter since the envoy. It was nice how you dive into her character and give her more life. Dorne deserves more and I’m glad you’re giving them some shine. Having stannis men all about the true fight which is fighting the dead was a great touch. Thanks for doing these !

[@Rubbabandman]

I like that Preston is brining dorne into the main story instead of them basically doing a crusader kings playthrough and waiting out the other powers

[@jewtube1877]

Quentyn I (The Rogue Prince) when!? 😠

[@Wallace43266]

Quentyn II - The Prince that was Promised

[@ZoomReverseFlash]

Some of the antique methods of hair bleaching survived even through the 20th century in various regions.

[@ceilingfanenthusiast6041]

I really loved your Arienne III chapter and just what you're doing with the John Connington plot in general! Arienne's story wasn't my favourite in the original novels but you've made it a lot more interesting to me. I've always loved the young Griff plot and you've really maintained the interested of that story for me too.

[@SHARKVADERS]

PJ IS BACK FOMOS

[@cbob213]

Guess who's back? Back again….. Preston’s back…. Tell a friend… Guess who's back? Guess who's back? Guess who's back? Guess who's back? Guess who's back? Guess who's back? Guess who's back?

[@40oz82]

"knights of the mind"🤓

[@fredchung9300]

Farring got defenestrated

[@fleshbhones]

I really enjoyed the Arianne sample chapters, but maybe it's just because I was craving literally anything from Winds...maybe I need to do a re-read with a clearer mind

[@a.k.summers5633]

I really liked the chapter. Only part i'm a bit iffy about wasn't the climbing, but the dots you had to connect - either you remembered Farring slept just below, and then wondered why he just went to bed if he had to climb the stairs anyway, or you don't, and the jump seems too magical/mysterious :) That said, I love the Arianne chapters. This was good.

[@carter9449]

Yeah, having Farring decide to go to bed once he realizes how slow denys is would fix that

[@a.k.summers5633]

@@carter9449 that's a great, easy fix!

[@jessewilliams9195]

The cunning in this chapter was so much fun. Thanks

[@ModernSynthesist]

Thanks dude! Lots of fun! Keep up the amazing work ♥

[@corbinskywalker]

GRRM PLANNED IT ALL

[@MrPhbahia]

Preston you are the best for doing all this! Looking forward to the last part of your Hot D season review

[@AS-fi7hc]

13:08 I love that! Reminds me of that Violet Chachki meme “No one says that, but yes” 💀💀

[@migarsormrapophis2755]

you're doing a good job, PJ

[@magister343]

Our word "orange" for the color is one of the last colors to get its name. The name of the fruit and the House or Orange are older. In a medieval setting "orange" would be called "red" or "yellow red."

[@KingOfWinter]

This chapter was a really fun read. I appreciate that even though you don’t have to, and no one would blame you if you didn’t, you justify all your decisions for the direction you’re taking the story. I’m very excited for the next chapter. I’m hoping the coming battle at storms end has an interesting conclusion. It seems what George does to stress that fighting is not to be glorified is make it so that even if the “heros” win they still lose something in the fighting. So in the spirit of that I think it would be awesome for Jon Con to win decisively and for Aegon to show that he is very skilled in the art of war only for a arrow to strike him from the castle right as the battle is ending and he dies in Jon Cons arms (maybe even after Jon has cut his hand off in hopes of not giving greyscale to Aegon and of course the bells would have to be ringing lol). I think it would be very interesting to see what all the characters do when they’ve technically won but lost the man that was holding them all together and in a way it would mirror the situation at the wall a little. I think it would help keep the story moving as well as make the story a little more manageable (trying to focus on 4-5 plots at the same time can be a bit daunting I imagine) as well as start bringing characters together. Also you could use the chapter to let us find out what really happened to Loras Tyrell. Did he die, did he really suffer wounds trying to take storms end or was it just a baseless rumor. He could even be in the fighting if he’s not really hurt and get take prisoner or even switch sides to Aegon afterwards.

[@ser_ryon_vine6392]

Been looking forward to this. Have you considered doing a live read along?

[@HolsteinerCox]

Thank you!

[@lillianasanchez5984]

First, we are all so grateful of this immense enterprise that you and of course the editors are constructing for our eagerness. Second, overanalizing what you said this Sunday stream, because you guys is not earning any money over the fanfic then you are not going to encounter any problem with copy rights, and I'm sure you check this trice. However I noticed I've got quite a few commercials this and last time and I hope you are not going to get in any trouble for monetizing the videos for the fanfic. Just me empathetically overthinking this. Greetings from Amsterdam.

[@jaysemitchells497]

KZbin runs ads on unmonitized videos sometimes

[@Masakino001]

KZbin forces ads on a lot of videos, the revenue which doesn’t go to the channel.

[@lillianasanchez5984]

Ok I did not know that, thank you for explaining :)

[@Methodofication]

Didn't George explicitly state Eldon is either and unclue or great-uncle of Stannis? He definetly wants to make clear he isn't his grandpa.

[@yggdrasil2]

"Let's get into some Arianne here" Yeah, that's what Arys Oakheart said lol

[@HickoryBill]

I’ve enjoyed keeping up with the fan fiction as it’s developed, but it’s just a fun little experiment to me (until George kicks it, then I’m all in with wherever you take it). I only say that but because I wanted to applaud you guys for this chapter. It is nearly indistinguishable from a George chapter on the surface. Great job and keep it up

[@jherm123]

Hey, would you ever consider making Asha the Winterfell POV for Winds? Would be cool to see her interact with Mance Rayder. Idk if she would be sent to Winterfell with the Karstark's (who I think you said might defect to Stannis and travel to Winterfell with Lightbringer so Stannis can fake his death) as a 'hostage'. But also I'm not sure who else would be the Winterfell POV apart from maybe Davos. If indeed there is going to be a Winterfell POV.

[@BenJover]

Yeah Asha pov would be fun

[@LincolnMaurice]

It'd be _really_ interesting to see the team tackle fleshing out the Asha fragment and building a whole chapter from what we _this_ George had written.

[@carter9449]

Considering that Alayne and The Forsaken were released without names so I imagine the intention was calling them Arianne

[@umwha]

26:50 - well one advantage of boiling oil is it does more damage because it dosent evaporate and stays hot longer. Additionally it makes the ground and walls to slippery to climb. So it would be very advantageous if they had enough oil

[@StankoAx]

It was a fun chapter, I enjoyed it!

[@jessecook4466]

I loved the arianne samples

[@ik3aslittlehakkaproject430]

Ariadne III more like the last temptation of Gilbert Faring

[@daboos6353]

Really liked this chapter, I think it's probably my 3rd favorite after the Jon one and the Prologue

[@jsull81]

I like the way the chapter turned out, but I'm surprised you didn't go with the using Edric Storm to get into Storms end theory. So now I'm wondering what you're going to do with him 🤔

[@profoundpronoun4712]

Love ya big P ❤❤❤

[@mestrong6017]

In the thumbnail preview I thought you were Steven Molyneux for a minute lol so I gave you that voice

[@lozzarc]

1:04:28 Probably exactly how George feels about the WoW too 😂

[@danjordan1]

Bbbaaaaccccckkkkkk!!!!!!!

[@damienledfurd]

Chad Summerchild approves!

[@jessecook4466]

So happy

[@TheKrostiman]

Shoutout to the kid that gave me shit about commenting on the fact that boiling oil wasn’t a thing in reality but it is in asoiaf 🤣

[@zacrusk5274]

I just found out the high school cool kid passed away, I’m 32 now but it was the weirdest feeling he passed and it had such little impact on my life I didn’t even know for a year.

[@alanpennie8013]

I missed all the nods to Bran.

[@marijntaal1531]

Does JonCon want the trumpets to sound like the Golden Company's elephants?

[@wisdommanari6701]

Yes

[@smarttravel3144]

How would anyone in Westeros know what an elephant sounds like?

[@patrickdematosribeiro1845]

I am not sure that the people in Westeros would have a strong opinion on who killed Penrose. He wanted his men to fight a lost battle until the last man. Any soldier in Storm's End who didn't want to throw his life away for a lost cause had a motive to kill him.

[@wisdommanari6701]

Sure but people in the middle of war are highly suspicion and mistrustful of turn-Cloaks

[@bestoftheshit]

Sexiest dad in Taipei

[@mrelephant2283]

This shit was great to read

[@hi1gr196]

will there be Winds of Winter Appendices at some point?

[@cbob213]

15 min ago??? How tf did I miss this.

[@ZYXPQI]

I love arianne

[@umwha]

If people , like Doran, are so suspicious of maesters that he kept changes them, why does he even have them at all? He’s the lord, just don’t have a maester. He could source tutors from his own realm

[@wisdommanari6701]

Well because that would make the Maesters even more suspicious and hostile

[@umwha]

@@wisdommanari6701 Why does the Lord of a whole kingdom care if the maesters are suspicious? They have no political power. They arent a house. They have ties with Hightowers, but thats only 1 house, not even a High Lord house .. So who cares?

[@wisdommanari6701]

​@@umwha suspicious people send even more spies. It's the difference between a diplomat and a CIA officer. One is there in plain sight one is invisible Until you root them out. It's about the level of danger and destruction they can cause.

[@knottshor31]

Oil would be FAAAAAAARRRR more advantageous than water... mostly because once you dump the water it's done,the oil would remain stuck to everything making footing and hand holds impossible

[@siamath9954]

And you can set it on fire

[@aidensidk3273]

Now if we could just move up your release schedule a bit

[@eric_wehner]

So was Farring sleeping through the battle?

[@umwha]

What was the meaning of when the maester had to go to the bathroom and just moaned a lot for a long time?

[@chrisrubin6445]

To annoy, distract, and seem harmless

[@umwha]

@@chrisrubin6445 Seems like there would be something more. It must be to cause delay, due to the timing of the raven or something. Oh! Itll be because he knew the army is goign to attack tonight, and he was wasting the maximum time to wait for the attack. He iddnt want him and Arianne being locked in cells when the army get here.

[@alanpennie8013]

​@@umwha Yep. Timing was very important.

[@JordSburger]

35:29 Preston says zealots. Drink.

[@zacrusk5274]

Waist oil? What is oil even used for in our story? And did oil ever have a use in those times? Thank you anyone who answers

[@Realkeepa-et9vo]

Assuming oil here means pitch: It was used to seal off surfaces against water, so highly important for shipbuilding

[@zacrusk5274]

@@Realkeepa-et9vo there’s the answers I wanted. :)

[@Azor19]

❤

[@magister343]

Do they have sweetcorn in Westeros? It is a crop native to America, the sweet form of which was not recorded before 1779, so it would seem out of place in a setting based on Medieval England. I would imagine that a more fitting sigil for house Cobb would be either a spider, a seagull, a basket, or a pier made from cobblestones.

[@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin]

There is sweetcorn in Westeros as well as turkey, squash, green beans, hot peppers and a few other new world things. (No potatoes, which is funny as in the show LotR movie, they mention them)

[@alanpennie8013]

​@@PrestonJacobstheSweetrobin The anachronisms make more sense in LOTR because potatoes (and pipe weed) are associated with hobbits who are an obviously anachronistic element, early twentieth century suburbanites in an otherwise medieval world.

[@matthewstevenson6604]

I spent the whole chapter thinking Denys had something hidden in the old prison wallet. But we never find out what it was. Did I miss something?

[@ser_ryon_vine6392]

Who made that fan art?

[@sahinyilmaz6331]

We need to petition GRRM so that he names Preston to be the heir to the winds of winter in case he can't finish it. Coz let's face it the fame got to him and That lazy bastard is never going to finish the series at this point.

[@sahinyilmaz6331]

Besides, this poor man is basically trying to do it for free already so...

[@afnanbogey]

In my head this is the more likely to reach completion so GRRM is the fanfic

[@ModernSynthesist]

Oh definitely. But hasn't George gone on record as saying he wants the story to die with him?

[@manband20]

@@ModernSynthesist yeah he did say a few years ago that he had no interest in having the publishers pass it off to another writer (so rip sanderson getting to do the job) and considering he doesn't have kids or grandkids like Tolkien had when he died, his wife is the one who will gain rights to his legacy and she would never go back on his wishes. She might release notes and stuff, but I seriously doubt she'd contract someone else to write it.

[@qhothaherald7705]

Pj all like blow Gabriel! 😂

[@atlash6387]

Oil is much thicker, harder to remove and has higher boiling temperature

[@fyviane]

oh no, we wont see any more of Gilbert :((

[@wisdommanari6701]

Gilbert king

[@melodymondlicht8905]

WHY THE F IS IT NOT ARIANN-AH ANYMORE that was something i genuinely identified over as a pj fanstraight

[@obriendanny87]

Is there still a discord for this?

[@tylerruddy5444]

Is Maester Denys meant to be Denys Strong?

[@wisdommanari6701]

Yes

[@user-re7nw4dk9n]

4

[@espalier]

I think House Cobb would be like House Cod. All men do despise them. That is, Cobb’s sigal would be Straw and Shit. Or mud, if you’d rather.

[@howardbiel1958]

The sample chapter names aren’t changed when the focus characters “come into their own”. Chapters are written from the perspective of a character. The chapter names are changed when the character thinks they’ve “come in to their own”.

[@umwha]

Or they are deluded or taken a glade identity

[@chandlerdoeswhatifs9399]

You're very wrong.

[@beneficent2557]

Arianne reminds me of my ex lol

[@chrismcqueen5134]

Not going to be fun reliving my guy stannis take another L

[@iliaponomarev1624]

Casual Lord of the Light followers in Westeros - that seems unlikely. I don't see good reasons to be R'hllor followers if you're not a fanatic. You'd be better off as a casual Faith of the Seven/Old Gods guy.

[@wisdommanari6701]

I mean there are temples to the lord of light across the country. If you are in or near a major city with a lot of trade it makes plenty of sense

[@theletterm5425]

I'm not sure I understood this correctly: it was JonCon's plan to pretend like the GC had captured the Grassy Vale in the hopes that Elwood Meadows would be in charge of Storm's End and would surrender to the GC so that they wouldn't hurt his relatives? Because clearly the fake letter was discovered almost immediately by the Storm's End Maester. It seems like even if Elwood had been in charge this plan wouldn't have gone very far.

[@alk5985]

You could say that the Halfmaester was confident he could make a forgery good enough to fool even another maester so JonCon choose to trust him.

[@Thrazkar]

Good. He's stopped pronouncing it 'Ar - ee - ar - nuh' Though I would have pronounced it to rhyme with Marianne, like Maid Marianne etc.

[@jonathancrudeson1634]

I don't understand how the hell the fake Maester could kill Blackberry, Haystack and the Sweetcorn knights so quickly. And so easily subdue the fourth one with a Hollywood trope knockout strike. That just reads as an underdescribed, implausible fight. The line "The sweetcorn knight fell into a fountain of blood." does not even mention a weapon. A fake maester should at least use hidden blades and/or powders to have a shot against four better amrored, and better armed opponents.

[@wisdommanari6701]

They were literally looking out of the window, and he's a trained knight too. He got the jump on them. You ever see a boxing match being distracted for a second is more than enough time. Especially when he has a weapon out already

[@Mj_Jetson]

It kinda reminded me of when Syrio Forel took down 5 Lannister guards with a wooden sword when Meryn Trant came to arrest Arya? One very skilled warrior, using everything he had at his disposal, against 5 soldiers. Plus, Denys is doing a sneak-attack, and his opponents are likely poor soldiers (green boys and old men are usually the ones left to hold a castle during a war, and sieges tend to involve malnutrition, so they're probably not great soldiers overall)

[@satrmleo]

First?