Bran at the Tower is a MESS! w/Trey the Explainer, RedTeamReview

[@connors9597]

Carmine revealing his face to be the pages of asoiaf on the left was a pretty big shocker ngl

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

fair

[@C-White-88]

Everyone else should follow his example.

[@coreyander286]

He's on a journey of self-discovery

[@connors9597]

@@coreyander286 Preston needs to trade him over to Alt Shift X so he can finally evolve into a Gengar

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@coreyander286 self-discovering terrible comments where the person needs therapy....speaking of which, ohey Corey whatcha doing here? :O

[@darwonka]

Everyone was terrified of Eddard. Can you imagine: this guy came back from the Tower of Joy, having "killed" the greatest fighter in all the land (Sword of the Morning, Arthur Dayne), messed up 300 years of Targaryan rule and squashed the Greyjoy rebellion? He rolls into King's Landing with King Robert in front of all these pieces of crap who are only there to bleed the realm. They know Eddard is the most just man, after Stannis the Manace, in the kingdom...

[@iamsheel]

He was a piece of 💩 that let Robert, the Lannisters and the whole court 💩 all over him.

[@Shiftdougler]

“[Trey] is prettier than my daughters” - Crastor, I’m pretty sure

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Tormund said that about Jon in the Hardhome episode, too

[@FlorianMark]

Gilli is hot 🔥

[@patbau96]

Trey is a cutie. It is known.

[@alanpennie]

​@@MarcNSmith Casting Kit seems to have been appropriate.

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

Trey is one Behelit Necklace away from completing the Griffith look

[@anunnakicrown]

He's so dreamy!!!

[@MortenRoarBerg]

fix the echo

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@MortenRoarBerg I just fixed it. Did you not refresh KZbin?

[@MortenRoarBerg]

@@OfficialRedTeamReview still there

[@OfficialRedTeamReview]

@@MortenRoarBerg come back in an hour and refresh.

[@fitz7231]

The 'queer affection' Varys describes Jaime having for Tyrion is probably unusual in his eyes because of who Jaime appears to be during this entire period. Jaime is vain, arrogant, he loves battle and warriors and prowess above most else - and in love with Cersei, who despises Tyrion. Considering Tywin also despises Tyrion - I can imagine it would seem queer indeed that Jaime wouldn't.

[@randyll13]

"Why would Cersei think that Ned would refuse being hand". My two cents: Ned was in the most influential position after the rebellion behind Robert. This was a man who the King would have died for and would listen to and what does Ned do with that position? He gives it up and heads North. This is a pretty clear indicator that he isn't interested in "Southern politics". She's probably just working off the assumption that "Hey, this guy hasn't shown any interest in our politics in the last ten years. Why would he start now?".

[@pyramidion5911]

He dun't want it

[@FakerName]

"Why would Ned be an enemy?" Remember Cersei is a paranoid narcissistic and she's been whispering in Jamie's ear for his entire life. Chances are they hate and fear everyone.

[@Mj_Jetson]

36:00 yes Cersei was planning on offing Robert: "his meddling had forced her to rid herself of Robert sooner than she would have liked, before she could deal with his pestilential brothers." (Cersei I AFfC)

[@robertovaldivia1573]

Yes, but a point of the video is that a lot of evidence from AFfC and ADWD isn't super solid because that's when George diverged and realized the time skip wasn't happening and that the story needed more PoV characters and plot points than he intended.

[@Longshanks1690]

I think the “Jaime as Hand” subplot is a holdover from the original idea where Jaime would murder his way to the throne. In AGOT, Jaime seems to get a LOT of positions in spite of being a Kingsguard. Tywin will name him Warden of the West when he dies, Robert wants to make him Warden of the East, Cersei wants him to be Hand, he’s the field commander of a Lannister army and so on. It seems like there was a lot of political convenience heading Jaime’s way to build him a base of power so when the other heirs started dying, no one questioned Jaime’s accession since he was already so powerful that no one could stop him or challenge his claim. That’s the only logic I can find for why Jaime would be Hand, that he was actually supposed to be more cutthroat and power hungry than he ended up being and actually wanted these positions thrown at him in order to want to be King. Because the way Jaime is later characterised, it doesn’t make any sense at all that the Lannisters would push Jaime to be Hand over Tywin or even Kevan, it’s not a responsibility he wants at this point.

[@juanpablomina1346]

I understand why Cersei would like it: she'd tell him what to do. But no one else should take the idea seriously. Not for Hand and really not for Warden of the East. He's not even Lord Commander. The only thing I can think of is to please Tywin, but in that case make Tywin himself Hand, not his son.

[@scottmartin3816]

Trey has a face. Trey 1, Faceless Men 0.

[@ModernSynthesist]

And WHAT A FACE! 😅

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

@@ModernSynthesist he looks like a surfer dude with veneers

[@barrry9]

I think our boy PJ is really underestimating the sheer pettiness of human beings re: Jamie hating Ned just for giving him a dirty look years ago. I've worked with people who refuse to work with someone because they were rude to them once 10 years ago. People hold grudges over the dumbest stuff for the longest of times

[@alanpennie]

We have to remember how traumatic killing Aerys was for Jaime, who was a boy at the time. He betrayed his oath, he saw all his dreams of chivalry destroyed, and he more than half believed that contemptuous look from Ned was justified.

[@val_wildling767]

Good point! A colleague of mine never answer to my "hellos" even when I am directly smiling at her. God knows wtf I said wrong the day I introduced myself...or maybe I gave her a bad look! (We do not actually work together, we just meet in the coffee room. So it is not that anything else I do affects her)

[@iggydaking9117]

Preston doesn't understand human emotion.

[@erikkarlsson9192]

My impression was always that Robert said he'd make Jaime his Hand purely out of spite.

[@frank_6298]

Exactly, it was an overtop suggestion basically saying “you better take the damn job Ned”

[@juanpablomina1346]

It seems clear to me that Lysa's accusations are that the Lannisters killed Jon Arryn, not the twincest. And yes, Cersei knows that she didn't do it, but it's still not a nice thing to have happen. Regarding Cersei saying that Robert would put her aside, I agree that GRRM probably was thinking of an Anne Boleyn scenario, but Carmine's explanation kind of works: she didn't mean that Robert would divorce her, but that he would get a mistress and would therefore stop listening to Cersei. In fact, we know why Robert married Cersei: to make an ally out of Tywin and to get his financial backing. Even if it were possible for Robert to divorce Cersei, Tywin would demand payment, so Robert couldn't do it, since the Crown is broke without Tywin.

[@justsomedude5727]

Yeah it's meant to fool the reader into thinking the Lannisters are responsible.

[@imtired3861]

@@justsomedude5727mean?

[@justsomedude5727]

@@imtired3861 meant lol

[@alanpennie]

​@@justsomedude5727 That's one reason why the writing is a bit clunky. They're actually talking about the incest but the reader is supposed to think that they're talking about the murder of Lord Arryn.

[@memeaficionado]

Something I've never really thought about until now or heard people talk about is how Jamie effectively deserts the Kingsguard after confronting Ned. Like he just fucks off to join his father's army, and lead Lannister forces with him. Sure once Joffrey is king, they can say he had the King's leave, but Jamie leaves while Robert is still alive?? How is that not desertion?

[@dannylonglegs69]

Haha yeah wtf

[@ghostgrimmm]

While Robert was alive, Jaime's safeguards were both Cersei and Tywin. Robert was not about to touch Jaime and start shit with Tywin or have Cersei kill him in his sleep. Ironically it was Robert's temper that got him killed for slapping the shit out of Cersei when they were discussing the whole Jaime fleeing the city thing and she was insulting him left and right. Robert wanted peace between everyone so he can fuck off and get drunk without the realm falling apart.

[@humzakhalid7902]

"this is no longer a game for two players"...not "no longer a game for two opposing players"...they are taking about each other...varys and illirio...they mean they now have other parties beside them selves probably playing the game and they need to consider making allies or figuring out which of them they need to actively play against

[@tr3cepuffs481]

Yea this is what i thought too. Like they were the 2 players and now there’s all these other situations happening and war looming, so more players are involved

[@fitz7231]

A couple things on what you said about Cersei: 1) About knowing Ned wouldn't want to be Hand - Cersei has been married to Robert for 15 years, and forced to listen to him all that time. Robert has likely talked about Ned extensively - and Robert was probably grumbling that Ned wouldn't want to leave the North on the carriage ride North. 2) On the matter of Cersei worrying about being set aside - remember Maggy the Frog and her prophecy. Cersei is obsessed with the idea of someone 'younger and more beautiful' coming to take all she holds dear - a 'new Lyanna' in Robert's mind would classify!

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

Adding to this, Ned would have been a marriage potential for Cercei since she was a baby and she would have heard rumors about him all her life.

[@fitz7231]

@@mistermaestersirthomas9164 Since Ned was a second son (think Genna and Emmon) Tywin and his need for ever higher status would likely have thought that too lowly a match whilst Brandon lived.

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

@@fitz7231 true, it wouldn’t have been a first choice, she would have heard about him nonetheless.

[@alanpennie]

I'm not sure who The Starks could supply to replace Cersei for someone *younger and more beautiful*. Is Cersei jealous that Robert will dump her and marry Sansa?

[@fitz7231]

@@alanpennie I don't believe that point was directly tied to the Starks in the video.

[@6Rock6God6]

Robert threatens to make Jaime hand just to force Ned to stay as hand because he knows that is the last thing Ned would want. He doesnt actually want Jaime to be hand and never considered him for the position. Jaime and Cersei see everyone who isnt them as an enemy, even if they are "allies" at the time. I think Cersei was always planning on killing Robert once Joffrey came of age.

[@6Rock6God6]

I think Varys plan was Viserys invading with Dothraki raping and pillaging the kingdom with the sweet innocent Dany as the kidnapped bride of the evil khal drogo, then Aegon comes in to save the day and free his aunt who he then marries and he becomes king and they live happily ever after.

[@6Rock6God6]

Ned is specifically worried about Arya being a fighter because it reminds him of Lyanna and we know what happened to her.

[@williamchamberlain2263]

I think Cersei's just voicing frustration in her first lines, and you're looking for dialogue that's been stripped of emotion-driven repetition. I'd think that Cersei and Jamie have been having variations on this same conversation all the way north, and even since John died, which is why Jamie's so off-hand - he's had this conversation before, he knows that Cersei is venting her frustration, but he can't think of a strategy to counter Ned. And later; in the throne room Jamie knew that _honourable_ Ned had judged him in an instant, wouldn't listen to why Jamie killed the king to save the people, and would trash Jamie's name forever as soon as he's out of the throne room. His whole dream was to be a knight, and once he decides to do the right thing rather than allowing atrocities by obeying his vows he _instantly_ loses his knightely reputation forever.

[@manband20]

I can't believe Preston and Carmine got THE Kirk Hammett circa 1983 to be on the podcast! Talk about a special guest star!

[@baptizedatheist3168]

I feel like you guys go into it think too much about your personal logic and why you wouldnt do something as opposed to putting your mind into the characters and their personal logic

[@engineerforthefuture8593]

Wait, Trey doesn't actually look like a Dippersaurus?

[@mrwumbo]

"Arya wanting to be good with the sword and horse riding shouldn't be weird because there are around 10 to 20 known women out of millions of the population that are like that."

[@JustAGuyWhoLikesStuff.]

One of them was Ned's sister and we are talking about nobleborn girls/women, not general girls/women, though given what we know Arya might even fit better into the world of the smallfolk.

[@Mj_Jetson]

"The king might as easily have named one of his brothers, or even Littlefinger, gods help us." How is Jaime smarter here about LF than he was in Jaime VII AFfC??? "Littlefinger was as amiable as he was clever, but too lowborn to threaten any of the great lords, with no swords of his own. The perfect Hand."

[@Paradoxymoronic]

Oh my gosh - Trey showed his face :O (and is as attractive as he sounds)

[@look4lec]

The "I'll pin it on Jaime" thing seems like a threat to scare Ned into accepting it. I might be thinking by show memories, so that's my headcanon.

[@alanpennie]

It's exactly the sort of thing Robert would say to spook Ned, because he knows how much Ned dislikes Jaime.

[@authorfarrell7161]

Didn't Ned push for Jaime to be sent for the wall? That's why they're already enemies.

[@Tremere]

Trey looks like what I imagine Satin looks like in the books

[@Mj_Jetson]

"Give me honorable enemies rather than ambitious ones, and I'll sleep more easily by night." I think they just view everyone except Lannisters as enemies?

[@zeus000.00]

Doesn't Cersei literally say that somewhere, or was that only in the show?

[@lonemotheo1964]

20:05 I think Cersie figured an honorable man like Ned wouldn’t like to be around the Lannisters after what they did to Ellia and her children and Aerys as well…. Which is true Ned hates the Lannisters for this very reason and even had a public argument with Robert about it

[@engineerforthefuture8593]

I think the key detail you missed is that Cersei is paranoid about Ned discovering the incest, and it is upon this fear that her suspicion about being replaced by a new woman is founded. If the incest were uncovered, the marriage could be legally annulled and Robert could remarry a younger woman. Varys knows about the incest, as do a few other people in high positions, so the idea of Margery being sent to marry Robert actually makes a lot of sense if Cersei being removed as Queen is anticipated.

[@dailylog4344]

my god.. hes beautiful

[@j-rey-]

Preston? We know.

[@sonny8686]

Damn Trey looking like a snack

[@Tgsva352]

Trey is like satin femboy level, it has been known for a while.

[@sonny8686]

@@Tgsva352 it is known

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

fake teeth

[@slytherpuff1]

Most Controversial Preston Statement : being accused of an incesteous affair is a serious allegation

[@jeremyj8153]

27:10 just because the twins know they didn’t kill Jon Arryn doesn’t mean Lisa won’t accuse them of it

[@alanpennie]

Perhaps she dropped some heavy hints that she suspected them before fleeing back to The Vale. It would be the sort of behaviour Littlefinger would encourage.

[@MrPhbahia]

this was one of your best ever vids, keep this colab going!

[@3faltigeralexandro]

Its not that Ned is a super-sleuth: there are already people in King's Landing who have figured out Joffrey is a bastard, its just that they don't have the trust of the king in such matters. Placing Eddard in King's Landing, where he is inexperienced and happy for any advice, would allow them to guide him to the realization about Cersei (dropping as many hints as necessary, until he gets it). And because Ned is known to be really honorable & a good friend of Robert, it would be logical to assume that he would bring the matter before the king.

[@BenjaminJimJimothy]

That bran lonely paragraph is pretty clumsy, but it kinda fits with Gurm writing from a child’s perspective of thinking of himself moreso than reasons Jon isn’t at the hunt. Almost implicitly he’s not concerned with that stuff and just wants to play and these thoughts are poorly articulated and just flow together, similar to how 7 year olds actually talk. Also, the descriptions of winterfell and bran climbing around them are incredibly similar to Gormenghast by Mervyn Peake, which was a huge inspiration for Gurm. House Peake is named after the author, the castle starpike is named after Steerpike, who is the antagonist and basically Littlefinger. I’m sure that people recommend books George was inspired by all the time, but similar to that Frost poem, Gormenghast and Book of the New Sun by Gene Wolfe are impossible to read without seeing constant parallels.

[@Mj_Jetson]

Cersei does believe that Jon Arryn knew about twincest: "Jon Arryn put Robert Baratheon in her bed, and before he died he'd begun sniffing about her and Jaime as well." (Cersei I AFfC) Probably a safe assumption for Cersei and Jaime to assume Jon could've told Lysa, and her fleeing seems like she's preparing to spill the beans, so she doesn't get Ned Starked when she makes the accusation?

[@blizzfreak245]

I can't get enough of these Preston chapter reviews. Amazing work gents

[@coreyander286]

New prequel series: _Eddard Stark: Detective of the Seven Kingdoms_

[@YourLastGreatkNight]

Also, Cersei thinking Robert would set her aside you have to put yourself in her mindset. Cersei legit thinks when you rule you can do whatever you want and no one can tell you otherwise. So I think she probably thinks if Robert really wanted to her could set her aside. Also Renly probably thinks the same way because why would he think he should be king over his older brother.

[@sjp2649]

Trey looks like how I pictured Taena Merryweather when I read the books 😂

[@arandomguysshh8614]

trey’s facecard 🔥

[@jeffreyjbyron]

I think you guys are reading this way too critically. Cersei is an obsessive narcissist and does things that are completely meaningless to anyone but her (burn the tower of the hand). She sees Jamie as a male version of herself, and in many ways a vicarious way to do things she can't as a woman. There could have been ONE conversation between Cersei and Robert where she suggests Jamie as hand and gets shut down, and she obsesses over the fact that Robert doesn't take her seriously--even if Jamie being hand would do nothing practical for her situation. The fact that they are having this convo at this moment seems weird, but she may not have been able to have much alone time with Jamie on the march north. And, like an obsessed narcissist, maybe she knows that what she says is impossible, but she's just pissed that her twin brother doesn't immediately agree with her and therefore hounds him every second with something petty and stupid. It's actually quite congruent with her character. From a storytelling perspective, GRRM obviously needs to create a red herring here, and there's a bit of deus ex machina with the coincidence of Bran climbing, but hell, that's just fantasy novel writing. AGOT, especially the first half, is stiffer than what ASOIAF becomes by ADWD. So what feels off to me is that the characters and their dialogue doesn't completely fit with how we think of them by the later books. It's like when you watch old episodes of your favorite show and think "who are these characters?". But we know later on that Cersei is self-obsessed and jumps to all kinds of conclusions about people. Makes sense that she it's just pissed about whatever. In this moment, Jamie even dismisses her idea. She's pissed that no one takes her seriously. And of course she doesn't want someone as rule-following as Ned around. That would divide her influence. Honestly, I think these details are well written. Even paragraph 2 which doesn't seem well-written--remember Bran is a young boy and his POV isn't as eloquent. His expositions are going to be clunkier. Makes sense to me. But I suppose it's more fun to point out that GRRM made mistakes! More content and engagement!

[@bobuh2468]

good heavens… treys beautiful

[@Mj_Jetson]

I think with the marriage thing, setting Cersei aside for Lyanna 2.0 or Margaery, I think this is a retcon, where GRRM changed his mind on how easy it was to dissolve a marriage?

[@justinrivera1618]

I think the problem lies with taking a point of view characters exposition as gospel. It would make sense that a point of view character would get things in accurate because they’re not the absolute word on their world. They’re in some respect, as ignorant as we are.

[@biollanteazul]

Thoughts on a few of your gripes about the Jamie/Cersei convo: Cersei didn’t think Ned was a super sleuth, but it was a pretty big certainty that he’d investigate how Jon Arryn died, and that could lead to exactly where it did, which was discovering the incest, which would make Ned dangerous since Robert would listen to him. Cersei’s fear of Ned likely stems from Jon and Robert talking about Ned around her. They probably would talked up how loyal/honest etc. he was when reminiscing, or something like that. It doesn’t seem like so big a leap to me.

[@mistermaestersirthomas9164]

Starks are also rich and famously executioners; where as Lannisters have shell sediment mines aka fool’s gold and got their money by selling slaves and debt schemes.

[@val_wildling767]

Yes, but the point Preston is making is that...why would she thinks that Ned will find out about the incest, when investigating Jon death? As revealed in later books, Cercei does not know who killed Jon and seems not to know that Jon found out about the incest (see the conversation with Tyrion they mention here in the video). In principle, the investigation on Jon's death should drive Ned attention away from the Lannisters shenanigans.

[@biollanteazul]

@@val_wildling767 Because Jon Arryn found out about the incest the same way Jon did. Someone would naturally ask what the dead person had been doing leading up to his death, and would then end up speaking to all the same people and, in this case reading the same book, to see if there’s any connection. It’s hard for me to believe Cersei’s fears that Ned would find out by investigating Jon Arryn’s death were unreasonable when that’s exactly what happened. As I’m thinking about it, Pycelle pulling Arryn’s maester off of treating Jon would have been a big red flag drawing Ned to at least be suspicious of the Lannisters, since he was widely known to be devoted to them.

[@biollanteazul]

I guess, to clarify my meaning. Believing that Ned would discover their incest in investigating Jon’s death is evidence that Cersei DID believe that Jon found out about it.

[@SuperWindsage]

the prophecy of the new queen replacing is a whole thing.

[@joefo458]

Yes, Maggy is the great reinforcement of AGOT Cersei, rather than a retcon of any sort.

[@JackFroster]

55:12 The image of a Big Gay Targaryen Wedding got a good laugh from me

[@armandopena4929]

16:12 There's a record of Lord Dorian Hightower setting aside his wife for an Andal princess during the Andal Invasion, but he was a lord not a king.

[@justsomedude5727]

Kind of a cop out but don't heros kinda take the names of older heroes sometimes? Like there could be an older Cerwynn of the Mirrorshield and the Kingsguard took the name for himself.

[@RoisterDoister11]

Knightly bussy got Renly acting unwise

[@bloodbuzzin]

This series of yours is so fun. Thank you, Prez.

[@OHhydroxide]

Serwyn of the Mirror Shield: Bran and Sansa could have both learned this (incorrectly) from a singer who visited Winterfell. Cersei understanding Ned: If Cersei hopes Ned will refuse, then given what we see of her in AFFC she "knows" he will refuse.

[@janpol466]

Going over: ASMR edition.

[@TobascoCatMC]

Trey should really try and have a video with George and talk about history- sincerely an asoiaf loving archaeologist

[@randomantagonist8620]

33:15 Talking about if Lysa had knowledge of the incest and made it public knowledge after Jon Arryn’s death. Supposing if Lysa had the knowledge and did something similar to Stannis by telling as many lords and nobles at once, even if she just started with proclaiming it publicly throughout kingslanding at first. Preston basically says they would be under the same scrutiny and watchfulness as they are when Stannis tells everyone but I believe it would be much more extreme if Lysa did it early while Robert was still alive. I believe the only reason the incest rumor didn’t gain as much traction or real political consequences outside muttered gossip is because Robert was not alive and there was no one in Kings Landing with enough me or support that could challenge the Lannister aside from maybe Littlefinger who already knew. If Robert heard the rumor after Jon Arryn’s death, most likely he would’ve dismissed it initially but it would gnaw at him, especially if he heard it right before they set out on the month long journey to Winterfell, Robert may have been a shit King but even he is clever enough to start noticing the little details and differences with the children, even more so because of them traveling and being in even closer proximity to eachother day in and day out. If Robert had know, or even slightly suspected the outcome and reception of the gossip, whether most people believed it or not would be a massively different story for sure.

[@Longshanks1690]

Could the “two players” be Varys and Illyrio themselves? Like the idea is that away from everyone’s eyes, they’ve been plotting unbeknownst to everyone else who think everything is fine but as things start to unravel more, “the game” starts to get more players as more people become aware of how much everything is going to go to hell when Robert dies?

[@alanpennie8013]

It's a stretch but maybe. There's no very satisfactory reading of this line.

[@Mj_Jetson]

1:06:00 Tyrion's travel log in Andalos might come back via parallel in the TWoW, as Tyrion retraces his steps back to Westeros? Maybe? We can hope it comes back in a cool way?

[@AEDVINtus]

I'm always surprised Preston doesn't bring of the Empire of the Dawn stuff more. If there is a thousand worlds/advanced society with chimera blood stuff/dragons earlier than the Valyrians, that would be it. The name also by its nature seems connected to Dawnbringer/Daynes.

[@avatarname0008]

The whole lysa exposition is for the reader

[@alanpennie]

It's all designed to confirm the readers suspicion that Cersei and Jaime are murderers. We have to remember we all thought they were until Storm was published.

[@KissSlowlyLoveDeeply-pm2je]

just because a character is wrong doesn't mean it's a retcon.

[@fart_restoration]

Look at Trey!!! 🥰

[@gaghhuh2943]

I think that many people knew about the incest and didnt care or only wanted it revealed in the right time. Maybe Renly knew and thats why he wanted to make Robert fall in love with Margery and then expose it so that Robert can marry her (why is this plan beneficial to Renly besides pleasing Loras? No idea). He then pretends he doesnt know about it because it makes Stannis the actual king and Renly is trying to downplay Stannis's claim. Cersei is crazy jealous. She isnt stupid but when it comes to these stuff she acts completely irrational mainly because of the prophecy. Thats why she gets the same idea as Renly. And because of the incest too of course

[@adamgrogory]

God why is he so hot?

[@edmann1820]

I'm sure you have heard this before but Cerwyn is a real name of Celtic origin. It's pronounced with a hard C. So Kerwyn. Like Carmine or as I call him Sarmine.

[@gokbay3057]

11:11 First Men having ring forts yet allegedly building towers/castles in square with round towers/castles only coming after the Andals kind of feels like a conradiction as well. 22:25 It is possible Jaime is just being facetious/sarcastic with the Littlefinger as Hand thing. 26:45 They are expecting Lysa to accuse them of stuff but I am not sure if they are expecting a specific accusation. Be it murder of Jon Arryn or Twincest.

[@MrPhbahia]

TREEEEY

[@MrPhbahia]

Trey looks so fun

[@spokenclawm.4121]

frfr

[@maxwell_j_R]

Tommen was left behind from the hunt too, why didn't Bran look for him? Maybe there could have been a line something like: And when Bran found Tommen, neither his mother or Kingsguard uncle were near, so he wasn't allowed to play with any of the direwolves.

[@5210smile]

They see Robert as an enemy so anyone on his side makes them an enemy too.

[@joefo458]

Tinfoil: Jon told Lysa. Lysa told Petyr. Petyr tells Lysa to off Jon (for some “Lysa motive”) but Petyr is thinking that getting Cersei/Jaime in trouble is just a quick execution by Robert, and Petyr needs to drag the Starks, Tullys, etc. in if he wants a truly chaotic civil war.

[@hobbesthegoblin]

19:40 "Cersei says something smart, then something kind of dumb at the same time" it's in character

[@Mj_Jetson]

"no longer a game for two players"... my best guess is that the players were Team Robert and Team Varys&Illyrio, but now Team Robert has fractured into a bazillion sub-factions?

[@richardtabor8686]

Nice! glad you had everyone on.

[@tarlochansingh620]

Who is talking about removing existing chapters? 🤨🔪🔪🔪

[@AquaticBigfoot8]

Trey is beautiful

[@saturn7947]

Wow Trey ... Hot stuff

[@Nicholas-v7c]

I don’t get it, why doesn’t it make sense that you build a castle in the tundra on hot springs

[@Hazelcake]

damn, a face like that and an asoiaf expert? 😍😍(trey is cute too)

[@fitz7231]

Also - the point on 'bringing bastards to court' is not about the disgrace of having any old bastards around. It's because it would be ROBERT'S bastard, and would be an insult personally to her.

[@nunosantosdev]

In Got, Bran 2, Bran climbs the heart tree and then ascends to the armory's roof, where he encounters the twins in the tower. This information was likely provided by George R.R. Martin, as it seems to be where Arya appeared to fly from on show. Lol😂😂😂

[@willfromtx]

Preston, can you please wear headphones so there isn't an echo?

[@jgr7487]

I'd love to watch Trey interviewing GRRM on history, cryptids & stuff that pertains to his channel.

[@erikkarlsson9192]

I always assumed Varys was referring to themselves, him and Illyrio, with the "No longer a game for two players."

[@parkersenders4446]

I could easily imagine Lysa accusing Cersei of killing Jon Arryn, trying to steal Sweetrobin, filling the court with her lackeys, and maybe even cuckolding the king (or at least having no love/ loyalty), but it all being dismissed as the ravings of a grieving woman. You would think such an outburst, especially were it public, would be mentioned later, but then, theres a lot in Robert's court that seems to go unmentioned in the book, as yall discuss

[@erikkarlsson9192]

Why is it echoing? :O

[@C-White-88]

I thought it was just me

[@filbertrocko]

hi. Preston a couple things I have always wanted to say but never get it in a "live". Littlefingers father took him to a hermit who lived in a cave when he was little and he said he would be a great man someday. and Marcella ....read the whole sentence..it says She Was ALMOST 1 and ten you have kids the day after they turn 1,2 whatever. they literally are almost the next age. thank you hope you see this. and loved having Trey on live !!! It was great actually seeing him

[@standuplive1]

from somewhere like 25:00 to 30+ PJ and Trey discuss what cersei is talking about in terms of Lysa's potential allegations. The assumption is, that it must be about the incest. But it could very well be about the death of Jon Arryn. Lysa murdered Jon on Littlefingers request, Lysa could have let someone know she thought it was the lannisters, or Littlefinger could just tell Cersei that Lysa suspects her and the lannisters.

[@emarti3853]

I watched the show before I read the books. I was pretty sure I was never going to watch another episode, and then Bran fell off the tower. I was hooked

[@shayanlostflash]

Wow kirk hammet talking to Preston about bran good stuff

[@stupidminotaur9735]

Swords around DANY could be the Golden Company.

[@3faltigeralexandro]

Lysa knew about the incest from Littlefinger, who has been shown to like to brag, showing off how smart he is (he does the same with Sansa later - the guy needs a confidant).

[@Ryan-sf8nf]

Preston: 🧐😒🤔 Trey: 😃

[@greenmachine1987]

45:58 it seems like there are multiple people who know or suspect that Cercie’s kids aren’t Robert’s at this point. But it doesn’t seem like something that would be wise to just come out and say at court

[@avatarname0008]

Interviewing george about video games sounds fun pretty sure he is into them he read a chapter of dance in second life way back maybe hed have alot to say on them

[@equinoxomega3600]

I think that whole issue with bastards and fighter women arises, because Cat is extremely conservative.

[@capgangchannel6309]

Maybe bran is just an unreliable narrator. I mean hes a kid so its completely possible that he just got confused on all names of the kings guard.

[@pyramidion5911]

Most of the time, in the books anyway, every legend has some truth in it. It's very possible that he was in a kingsguard for a completely different lineage. And remember what Maester Luwin repeats twice, two chapters earlier, "Different King, different time."

[@greenmachine1987]

1:00:23 sorry for so many comments on an old video, but with regard to women fighting, It seems to be depict as uncouth for highstatus notability. Sand snakes are all bastards of Dorn, a place known for its progressive stance towards empowering women. Greyjoy’s are seen as unsophisticated hicks on boats, as well as rebels, and Asher is still seen as a bit of an oddity as one of only a few female captains and is still considered unfit to rule. Breanne is widely recognized as an oddity and is openly mocked. There are no notable fighting women from Lannisport, Highgarden, etc.