Presumed Innocent Theories | Who Killed Carolyn? | Tommy, Delay, The Kids?!

[@Jairogliphx]

Raymond health scare was TOO convenient.

[@TeamSqueeKi]

I love, love, LOVE the theory videos (and not just because you mentioned mine - though that was AWESOME.) I’m less convinced now that the kids are involved, TBH. Michael’s a creep, yeah, but it’s more like he’s just angry and talks a big game. I might be one of the only ones who’s starting to feel (kinda) bad for Tommy. Clearly he wants to make a name for himself. But when he went to Carolyn directly in a previous episode, and then in the last one when Eugenia said he gave Carolyn “the ick”, something about his demeanor changed. Still stuck on Marbles being the mastermind and Tommy being the fall guy if it all comes apart, but the ultimate twist would be Tommy turning on his mentor to exonerate Rusty in the end. Would also splain the missing rope and potentially carpet fibers from the cat tree (I think most of them are carpeted.) Ultimately let’s all agree on one thing - the cats are the real heroes here. Can’t wait for next week!

[@Jay-e4g]

@@TeamSqueeKi Looking at the ropes used on the victims, 3 or 4 strand nylon rope, maybe each, with various lope-knots like the kind used in boating, camping, towing, heavy-duty work. Does Nico own a boat?🤔

[@TeamSqueeKi]

@@Jay-e4gohhhhh damn! Great question! If anyone would have a status symbol like that, I think it’d be our boy Marble Mouth…

[@Jay-e4g]

@@TeamSqueeKi Just when I thought you may be on to something with Marbles (🤠) Tommy wears his early-days Bolo tie - Bolo’s are good when you can’t tie knots - and after he rips up Rusty, gets complimented by Nico, then while in his victory glow the poker winds up in his house, so I’m back to Kyle/Barbara did it 🤐

[@LarisaBayaMomo]

I've never changed my mind more whilst watching a show 😄 I think it's the wife. The amount of emotional pain that woman is living with, yet she's still there with him.

[@sceneinvaders]

@@LarisaBayaMomo good point👆

[@visualoo1918]

@@LarisaBayaMomo I feel I say this all the time with shows but this one.. I’m topsy-turvy lol.

[@lindaevans8804]

Cannot be wife

[@helvinbacareza4033]

@@LarisaBayaMomo it’s totally the wife. I mean, look at the art for the series.

[@SmcdMcd-d2k]

@@LarisaBayaMomo if it was It’s not on her own/ it’s the same as the movie

[@davidbonner9011]

Its the daughter and the son came to stop her but it was too late then they had to call the mom to help clean up

[@sceneinvaders]

Nice theory

[@miiiiiiilk]

Ok hear me out. I was rewatching episode one and when the son came home around the 10 min mark and asked his dad why he was home, Rusty answered: "I went to Carolyn's memorial." and the son walked away sooooo awkwardly without saying a word. Then Rusty said: "Come on, show me a curveball". I mean how genius would it be if the son ended up accidentally killing her and Barb covered it up and that that is the actual "curveball" to the plot! There is more! When Barb and Rusty confronted Kyle about riding by her house, Kyle said he wanted to talk to mom about it. Also the scene where he is at the psychologist when she asked what he felt about seeing his dad enter Carolyn's house and he said "Worse things have happened since he went inside her house". 👀 Pair this with the bike scrubbing and BOOM that's a solid theory. I can see Rusty finding out at some point and he takes the plea deal of manslaughter and will go to prison for 8 years to protect his son.

[@sceneinvaders]

Wowwwww awesome theory! This might be it. Be sure to join us for our Pre-Finale livestream 7:30pm EST Tuesday night. As soon as I see you in the chat we'll read this theory

[@tyizzle80]

Every episode it changes. Now I feel less sure than I did earlier in the season. Ive read the book and seen the movie and im still not sure. But I think one kid and one adult is involved just dont know which combination. I think its a reason the kids are being focused on so much. It wasmt like that in the movie at all.

[@sceneinvaders]

I like this take

[@CDio1]

Just stumbled on your channel, good constructive dialogue, well crafted theories. I think it was her ex-husband and her kid did it. The kid seems to be obsessed with his mom, making me think he’d go visit the serial killer guy in jail, and the dad helped cover the murder because of guilt of the marriage ending + hatred for Rusty.

[@alexisbaltazar8958]

But what about the evidence buried by Carolyn in the Bunny case? A lot of theories are ignoring this but it has to be one of the biggest hints about Carolyn's murder. I think the finale will show a lot more about Carolyn's life, including maybe some unsavory or secretive things she did in her work that eventually got her killed. Since Rusty was on the Bunny case with her, Carolyn's murder and the framing of Rusty has to be connected to the Bunny case. I agree with others that all the friends & family member hints are red herrings.

[@yguillenk]

I think it was Carolyn’s ex husband.

[@sashii13]

Those last 2 theories blew my mind!

[@sceneinvaders]

Meeee too

[@visualoo1918]

Oh shit, I think people are on to something with this kid(s) theory. We know Rusty’s kid rode his bike passed (at the least) that night, and that Carolyn’s son was recording outside her house…so, neither saw the other?! I don’t believe that.

[@ShirleyWernes]

My theory is Lorraine did it. She found out that Raymond was having an affair with Carolyn too. Carolyn was all about getting ahead in her career and using any means to do so.

[@TeamSqueeKi]

She’s definitely been a little TOO invested from the jump.

[@sceneinvaders]

Awesome theory!!

[@drekezit55]

Finally someone thinks like me!

[@maxxamillz2255]

I like this one that didnt cross my mind but yea she def been way too invested . . . Mayb her and raymond together

[@SDguy66]

If the show follows the book then you can look up who did it. The Original Harrison Ford movie adaption for the most part, ends the way the book does. Of coarse, the show runners can go in a completely different direction.

[@sceneinvaders]

That's what we are going with that they change it for the show - I know who did it in the book / movie

[@unlockevidence]

On a rewatch - I thought Barbara was looking at the case files of the bunny murder not Carolyn. But we hadn't seen the bunny murder pictures yet so you assume it's Carolyn.

[@sandiesaunders1063]

I think it’s Eugenia . She was obviously secretly in love with rusty and for somebody that was supposed to be Team Rusty .? She surely didn’t do him any favours on the stand 🤔🫣

[@sceneinvaders]

Could be!!

[@brandontart]

in the bonus material video barbara as actress smirked when she says "i think people are going to be really surprised who did it"

[@sceneinvaders]

Oh cool!!

[@roddy7256]

just seen episode 7, hmmmmm u better do a video on that

[@sceneinvaders]

It's out now! Go check it out and let us know what ya think

[@TheDinger]

The book (1987) and movie (1990) have the same killer. Would be cool if they did something different with this tv show.

[@sceneinvaders]

That's what we're going with

[@SilverScale.]

I'm lagging behind on this one but planning to catch up after The Acolyte and The Boys finales. Great discussion as usual!

[@sceneinvaders]

@@SilverScale. thanks so much 🙏

[@TheFilmSpace1]

The show Your Honor shows the son doing it and the dad taking a fall for it

[@sceneinvaders]

Trueeee

[@cpmow831]

Well now we know her son researched her previous cases.

[@sceneinvaders]

Yupppp such a good episode last night

[@visualoo1918]

I’m back to feeling like Rusty’s son did it, was frantic and called mom, mom came up with the idea about the typing up like the case, and took the murder weapon and Rusty finds out and takes the hit. I definitely thought that was going to happen early with Rusty talking the fall, but they switched course and I thought never mind.

[@ceciliaeklund3604]

The show has been renewed for a second season so wrong person ending up in jail would offer a cliffhanger and a great way to continue the story. Rusty will be condemn but the real killer is Kyle and then Barbara staged the crimescen to save her son!

[@JohnCamacho]

EDIT: I just got to the point in the video where you mention Season 2 They're not going to make all those kids doing it. BTW there's a season 2 that got confirmed so I don't know if they're going to use another Scott Turow novel or if Jake and family will come back...in which case they're not going to make any of the kids guilty (unless it's Michael)

[@JohnCamacho]

In one of Scott Turow's later novels, Rusty comes back and is accused of killing his wife Barbara. He is a judge at the time and the events happen 22 years after the events in the first book (Presumed Innocent)

[@sceneinvaders]

Oh wow that's really cool

[@Tyd_tatt2q]

I think Rusty gets off because new evidence comes out to clear his name but incriminating a new suspect but it’s one of our regular characters. The trial next season is Rusty working with the state to try whoever that is.

[@sceneinvaders]

Solid theory I like it!

[@macoye546]

I think every single lead actor in this series deserves an Emmy Jake Gyllenhaal. Ruth Negga, Bill Camp, Peter Sarsgaard and Elizabeth Marvel all with amazing performances however if I would give anyone an Emmy it would be O.T. Fagbenle that dude is a chameleon, the range is ridiculous. If you could give only 1 of these actors an Emmy, who would you give?

[@sceneinvaders]

That's a hard question, we will answer it next video coming out Wednesday- stay tuned!

[@macoye546]

@@sceneinvaders thanks for replying , I also wanted to add a partial theory , Nana Mensah ( amazing actress by the way) has had only a small role in the series so far but she is heavily involved in the promotion, It makes me think she has a bigger part to play in the mystery ,maybe her character did the murder to protect rusty in a way.

[@sceneinvaders]

@@macoye546 interesting. Cool theory!!

[@KaitlynMcCary]

I bought the $5 membership to get the discord link but can’t find it??

[@sceneinvaders]

@@KaitlynMcCary hey! All you have to do is dm me on instagram or twitter @sceneinvaders - if you don't have those social media sites you can email [e-mail] - let me know which one you did and I'll send you the invite link. Thanks a lot 🙏

[@HiThere-tv2bd]

Rusty did it. He has split personalities thus his reason for seeing two versions of everything when he's recalling events. Also they showed him as two Rusty's in the mirror when he was shaving last episode. But the biggest clue is Jake Gyllenhaal is not letting anyone steal his shine. He loves playing crazy characters.

[@Jay-e4g]

So too, his ghostly out-of-body stroll around the courtroom. 😮

[@HiThere-tv2bd]

@@Jay-e4g Yes! Forgot that one.

[@hossamali2649]

Barbra like old movie😂

[@sceneinvaders]

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[@loladiaz3534]

It’s a date !!!!

[@lumkamsomi2836]

Its either Eugenia or Rusty at this point

[@macoye546]

Has anyone watched the 1990 film version starring Harrison Ford wouldn't that give the clue to wudunnit?

[@sceneinvaders]

Yes we are going with they are changing it for the series, have mentioned in previous videos and will mention it next video for new listeners

[@davidbonner9011]

Its the kids

[@biggmonie]

I think it's his wife

[@KaitlynMcCary]

Episode 7!???

[@sceneinvaders]

@@KaitlynMcCary dropping around 10am EST. I'll let you know if anything changes but it should drop then

[@killerjoshy863]

The book gives it away...

[@sceneinvaders]

We're going with they are changing it for the show

[@antoniojohnson3925]

Rusties daughter is way too weird.its her

[@daveclark8337]

DING! DING! DING!

[@antoniojohnson3925]

@@daveclark8337 it was so obvious lol

[@visualoo1918]

I commented (twice*) too early. Those last two, gdamnn people are out here with the craziest, but right in your face theories. I clapped out loud. Bravo

[@sandrabrown5472]

lol Has no one read the book or seen the film? Well, I won't give it away. lol

[@loladiaz3534]

@@sandrabrown5472 😳I have heard. lol. However I also heard that the killer will be different than the movie 🤷‍♀️

[@sceneinvaders]

Yea we're going with they are changing it for the show. I know who the killer is from the book/movie

[@BMORETODAY]

It was Nico or the daughter

[@johnnyredux4019]

Nico....no. A couple times, maybe three times, he raised good discovery points with Tommy, seeing if he followed up on factual leads that may point to Rusty not being the killer.

[@Jay-e4g]

@@BMORETODAY I respect that so I’ll call him Nico👍 but when the judge said burden not met for murder-1 jury instructions and suggested manslaughter Nico could only muster a no-way! grimace. BTW , I’m not a lawyer but what up with Rusty, the defendant, at that plea conference?? Seems like everybody clammed up. Then he asks for an apology 🤯

[@tuesdayschild8994]

The wife