Prevent Disease & Thrive: Plant-Based Nutrition w/ Michelle McMacken, MD | ROLLBACK Ep. 162

Rich Roll is joined by Michelle McMacken, MD, to discuss all things Holistic Lifestyle Medicine & Promoting Optimal Wellness Through Plant-Based Nutrition. For more, go here. 👉🏾bit.ly/richroll162
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[@ZZendu]

This is absolutely my favorite podcast channel. Rich, you’re just so good at interviewing, driving the pace, approaching questions and summarizing abstract stuff in plain English. I can’t recommend enough of this channel. Thank you for keeping bringing inspiring and impactful content to us!!

[@KingsMom831]

Freaking LOVE that this legend just keeps bringing us premium, high quality content!

[@KingsMom831]

@@tb8827 absolutely!

[@dawndoster7025]

This is awesome! Would be great to have her back in the new studio for another discussion!

[@RiDankulous]

Michelle is such a wonderful person. I listen because of her message about healthy eating and the vegan diet. Some people caught low-fat vegan or whole Food plant-based. She is so optimistic very pretty too exclamation.

[@magicsupamoggie]

Get to an Aldi if you are on a low income. Use their wonky veg. I bought wonky carrots and onions yesterday. The carrots were big and the onions small but all sound. Bags of sweet potatoes 99p. These again are smaller but just right for one per person. They do a super six where they reduce selected veggies and fruit. A big bag of oats 1kg 70p that’s going to make a good few breakfasts. I also bought chia seeds and cashew nuts and a little fruit and other veg. You can’t get pulses in Aldi though which is a shame. Also make use of the fruits and veg kind gardeners put out when they have a glut. Make sure you thank them for their kindness and generosity. I like the philosophy of not denying foods but displacing them. That’s what I did. I learned to make something I liked then got comfortable with it so it became an old favourite and went on to do something else. Before you know it you have left the old food behind and you are eating better. I don’t have a lot of time and neither am I well off financially but you can throw a meal together in minutes if you do a little prep in advance. One of the most helpful for me is to cook a batch of beans to either leave in your fridge and munch your way through them or freeze them once cooked so you have them quickly when you need them. Lentils are great pulses when you want something quickly. I have to have quick to prepare meals because my life gets so busy and often I get very tired and being tired or hungry are two times you are likely to make bad choices. Practice makes perfect. Don’t beat yourself up if you mess up one day. Using energy negatively criticising your mistakes is futile. Instead use the energy to combat the challenge so you don’t slip up like that next time the challenge comes. Treat it as a lesson not a mistake. Stay positive and keep moving forward.

[@bournejason66]

She hasn’t been on social media for a while. Re-listen to this one and it’s still so good.

[@vikki4now]

Did just the opposite.

[@HidingFromFate]

Agreed. I was somewhat hesitant at first but it turned out this was still well worth a listen despite the fact that this conversation is 7 years old.

[@VeganYeshua]

The great thing about videos about Veganism is that you can always like 👍 the video before watching, you know it’s gonna be good ✊

[@timbo1476]

I do that 😆 like 👍

[@veronica-faye6211]

Strongly agree 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽

[@arvinsenglishph2293]

My most go-to podcast ever I love the way he enunciates his words. His talk is music to everybody's ears if you want to learn so much things from him.

[@lanepilbin6141]

Excellent podcast, and I have to say I regret missing the original broadcast. Dr. McMacken is truly an inspiration for anyone living plant-based. I look forward to having her driving medical education toward nutrition in the future.

[@eugeniapledger746]

Love love love that interview! Thanks for sharing!

[@lisablanchard8915]

thanks again Rich, for delivering another important podcast for us to educate ourselves and others about the importance of this way of eating...for our health individually and planetary...you ALWAYS ask the right questions, keeping us interested and able to understand in terms we can all grasp...you are making a great difference!!!

[@andreahorsch286]

She's on The Proof and Plant Strong podcasts recently with excellent content as well

[@christydalgaard]

Great interview y’et again

[@p.mb.d7636]

Put some respect on interviewer and interviewee. Btw she is 52 and looks graceful

[@darrellhargrove1444]

This is awesome!!

[@kathyjohnston3971]

It would be great to hear what she eats in a day.

[@sarahpamula778]

"Second life" on KZbin, I have hope knowing that I can plan on eating this way, and rollback the years, Bellview? In my experience at 52 , mental hospital care really hits a patient's sense of nutrition and hope of eating well hard. Experiencing a hospital , discourages the very impulse to live, so your kitchen fun heads south in that setting, so the more one has to be a part of that setting the less every impulse to live and hope to live well diminishes exponentially.

[@muscleNPmama]

As a GP I can give people all this advice but the problem is lack of personal responsibility. It's easier to eat trash. 85% of patients want the easy way aka drugs. Until it's too late. I personally had a health care and switched to 💯 plant based a month ago. I'll never go back. Cannot believe I spent so much time with the meat and dairy industry pulling the wool over my eyes.

[@coppersense999]

22:20 That's amazing what she discovered: that all the preparation for her profession basically filters out people who are actually gifted in the practice of her profession. All the nerdy, stem-oriented folks might kill when it comes to being on-call 24/7 for the ER, but they have zero bedside manner.

[@chrisn8250]

Wooooooooo!!! Awesome!!!

[@lindaripp5902]

Thanks

[@antonijad.7358]

Does someone have a link to podcast episode with David Simon? Thanks a lot! 🙏

[@stevewilladsen2027]

There are 1000's of KZbinrs casting this content and I agree with it and listen to lots of them. Many are basically saying the same thing, eat food as close to their natural state as possible. Again I agree. I am a lifetime meat and potatoes guy who is trying to eat healthier and am struggling finding a weeks worth (hoping for more than a weeks worth really) of meals that fits what McMacken is talking about. I can't find good, easy to make healthy meals to prepare to eat healthier. Maybe I'm stuck on wanting something that seems like meat and potatoes, but isn't. ?? So where can I find really good recipes that are easy to make and actually taste good? Many people, Like Rich Roll, want to charge me to see meal plans. Other recipes I find (and yes I know there are millions on the web) are all the same or 90% vegan desserts. Can you send me to free websites that give out good meals with good food that will get me over the hump of trying to convert from eating heavy, filling meals to what seems to me to be the lighter, less filling healthy meals? Seems like all the ones I see basically have the same 5 recipes, which aren't really all that good or easy to make. Help!? Please. Or even post a recipe here.

[@KsChina]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qprdeHSKhJxqsNU Check this out for starters. Bowls like these are great. Beans and legumes you can prepare in bulk or do canned and they're filling. Starches, I like to bake a few sweet potatoes early in the week and work through them during the week, but you can get them frozen to make it all the easier or if you prefer rice, or winter squash. Leafy greens, chopped onion, avocado can top almost anything and some zip and some fat. Hit the frozen section for extra veg to add- at least as you're getting started. Find combinations you like. You can get fancier either finding sauces and dressings from at the grocery store or, as you feel more adventurous, try some of your own (look online, checkout cookbooks from the library).

[@am100ish]

Hi there, hopefully you will see this. Well Your World KZbin channel has tons of easy and filling free recipes on their channel. Nutmeg Notebook KZbin channel is great for meal prep ideas and also recipes. Hope this helps! Good luck.

[@stevewilladsen2027]

@@am100ish thank you Anji

[@janine7185]

Plant based dads, Dr. Gregor how not to die cookbook, Chef AJ, Plant Strong youtube channel, Anja's Cooking With Plants

[@stevewilladsen2027]

@@janine7185 thank you Janine.

[@lenkavolnhals7197]

I really do like you and your podcast. I will watch the next one when I come home after shopping. I have seen the topic and Mr. Gabor. You 2 guys even this lady McMacken strangely I can remember the names of normal people, the others are continuously I don't know the correct English word bothering, confusing me. But you are good, very clear, I have seen more then one podcast now. Thank you. What is wrong with Huberman? I am not doing him damage, but my mind gets irritated, I don't have this with you or with Lex Fridman or with Howes Lewis or with Zach Bush, not even with Bill Gates or Jeff Bezos. Their mind has a clear message. Their mind makes sense, it is well structured, their goals are visible, their results also. Go now. But a thousand thanks. What is this? and why ?

[@ezradaiquiri11311]

When are you going to interview shane sterling from raw vegan rising?

[@janine7185]

Gillian Berry high raw vegan

[@ezradaiquiri11311]

@@janine7185 they won't, there's too much money in complicating health. The cure for every disease is in nature, proven in a superior court by dr. Sebi. No labs or complicated science needed.

[@marianasalles242]

💚🙏🏻🌏🌈✨🌱

[@eloisebush4595]

Why cant we have holistic health Drs.here in the middle of nowhere!!! Middle states.money!!!

[@elizabethstocker7379]

I think I would have gone vegan years ago, were it not for a certain virus I carry that feeds on arginine. So many of the high non-meat protein sources (beans, legumes) are very high in arginine and low in lysine. What other non-meat high protein sources are there?

[@waynecolburn8849]

Avocado is high in lysine and low in arginine

[@elizabethstocker7379]

@@waynecolburn8849 Thanks!

[@slowjamcdub]

01:03:26

[@alexiavandercruyssen1354]

Tradvcti0n Frénch isn't vndérstanding ...it's "ratat0villé" vér6al

[@timothygaar2310]

it is even more simple then all the 'science'...eat fresh fruits and vegetables in season preferably locally grown and not fractured...it's that simple, but...?

[@andreawisner7358]

So frustrating - I have been eating close to Dr. Greger's Daily Dozen for years and I am having all sorts of medical problems, some long-term and some new as I get older. All may be related to genetic conditions. And there is no plant-based doctor who I actually can go see. Asheville NC - there is one plant-based doctor and he is not accepting new patients. My Mexican husband who eats the worst possible diet is older than me and apparently much healthier. My 93 year old mother who also eats a shit diet is healthier than me. The only thing better about the way they eat is that they eat smaller, less frequent meals.

[@traveler65]

I find that hard to believe.

[@traveler65]

@Agnes shantel sometimes I think some people post these stories to cast doubt regarding the health benefits of eating a plant based diet. Why else would they write a long post. Then follow up with the name of someone else that helped them. 🤔. Interesting.

[@waynecolburn8849]

Try celery juice 16 oz a day. On a empty stomach. Don't eat for a hour. Also later drink 16 oz of carrot and apple and parsley juice. Start slow work up to 16 oz of each drink. You will see a difference in about a month and continue to see progress month after month. Good luck.

[@andreawisner7358]

@@traveler65 It's all true and I'm just frustrated. Where is the name of someone who helped me? I'm not saying not to eat plant-based. I'm sure I'd be worse if I ate worse. Too bad I can't represent veganism.

[@andreawisner7358]

@@waynecolburn8849 Not sure how you can predict that when you don't know my issues, but I do plan to go raw soon, and include juicing. Humans are the only animals that cook their food. There are probably survival reasons, but it certainly impacts our health in a negative way.

[@vegans1151]

are you still vegan?

[@carolr.556]

Basically everybody is overweight??

[@carolr.556]

I do not doubt that she has vast knowledge of her topic..But meat associated with weight gain is only true IF you consume high carbs.. KETO works and actually you do not need a lot of meat consumption to do KETO.. I am very thin..and tried keto and LOST weight with low carb high fat diet.. My triglycerides went from 101 to 44 on KETO.. You simply cannot get all the amino acids from plant based foods.. The body cannot absorb certain nutrients from plants.. SUGAR and carbs ARE the culprit in cardiovascular disease.. Vegetables are very important for healthy fiber intake.. But the highest danger is definitely carbs and sugars and processed oils..

[@alexashleigh8787]

I’m on ur “side”. Im low carb high fat. However, you can get all amino acids from plants. They’re just in worse profiles than in meat and animal foods. So please correct that part of your argument. Also, ofc you would lose weight because carbs are stored with water, hence the loss in water weight first, then fat loss. Change the word weight for fat. That’s important because not all weight loss is good. I agree with the sugar carbs and seed oil argument.

[@andreawisner7358]

Sorry, too long. Can't watch. 16:00 her plant-based history. Just kidding, really starts at 22:00. 30:51 diet meets medical practice

[@ChipSpencer123]

A plant based diet is great and probably would work for most people. But you don’t know what is good for you until you try it out and see what it does for you. There are some people who must eat meat, a carnivore diet, because if they don’t they get extremely sick.

[@ezradaiquiri11311]

That's actually not true. It just takes some people more time and care to cure there dis-eases. I guarantee if Jordan Peterson went to a place like true north health center and did a doctor monitored juice fast or other cleanse like water fast or mono meal like the grape cure, or a combination of these things over time, along with herbal supplementation if and when needed, and then rebuilt his microbiome with a raw vegan diet like shane sterling from raw vegan rising, that he would cure his reason for being carnivore. He might even stop crying all those cow tears every time he talks 😂

[@topofthemountainfitness7245]

Sounds like they may have health issues that once healed would allow them to benefit long term from a higher plan based diet..

[@ChipSpencer123]

@@topofthemountainfitness7245 From what I understand their health issues did not resolve until they ate a carnivore diet. They tried many things including plant based diet and it did not work.

[@topofthemountainfitness7245]

I wonder how long they tried plant based for and what type of plant based diet it was that they tried.. at out core like all other species on the planet our digestive systems are basically the same once we get to a baseline level of health/lack of issues in the way of digestion absorbsion and assilimation

[@ChipSpencer123]

@@topofthemountainfitness7245 check out Mikaila Peterson.

[@okoiful]

Just audio? lame.

[@traveler65]

Listen to it while you take a walk.. Duh :0

[@therationalist234]

Nothing about rich is lame. Nothing.

[@glennbishopbishthemagish]

None of this convinces me that a vegan diet is at all healthy.

[@afaultytoaster]

That's because you don't want to change, so you see what you want to see

[@dmcook333]

@@afaultytoaster we all see what we wanna see, just like that you're a healthy vegan and I'm a healthy in my keto/carnivore diet.

[@hmaidin1]

Suddenly the Dr raises the issue that the Research on saturated fat is controversial and all the while thorough out the pod cast she is saying Vegan 🌱 is backed by research and studies. Wow there was no controversy raised on anything vegan related research 🧐 When pointed out on todays wheat is not same as before instead of addressing it first she goes on a defensive spree on todays meat 🥩 is not same either. Last I heard and no controversy here no 1 killer among vegetarians is heart ❤️ disease 🤷🏽‍♂️

[@glennbishopbishthemagish]

@@afaultytoaster Laughing, whatever you do don't use science as a comeback.

[@traveler65]

Good luck with that. Keto /carnivore is not sustainable. Animal products have zero fiber...it is all about the gut microbiome for optimum health. The more plants the better.🌱.

[@johnoconnor3751]

Why does she sound so nervous? Kind of out of breath.

[@orion9k]

Red flag 33:45 Eating bacon does not make you unhealthy, meat and fat from healthy organic animals are good for your health. And 44:30 you claim most people are getting enough proteins, but we need 1,6 grams of proteins per kilo body weight which means most people are deficient in proteins. 53:30 beans are not healthy for your gut and digestion. And I tried for 8 month bodybuilding on plant proteins, it made me sick, it made me less strong and it messed up my gut microbiome 100%, and looking back, I am pretty sure it messed up my T hormones not getting animal proteins and fat.

[@alexashleigh8787]

Agreed

[@donaldaltman929]

This gal has been out of the country for a while by the way she is talking… no good information in her comments

[@oraziohall2969]

Rich you look like the vegan diet is catching up with you, I heard your having back issues and cant compete athletically, try animal fats

[@gawwwd22]

Ha you are a funny troll..

[@sowmindful1501]

Please stop spreading lies.

[@chiyerano]

Are you serious? I know people who eat animal fats and they still can't compete all that athletically and still have back issues.

[@JR954]

Rich is n=1. A plant based diet would not stop your back pain if you fall onto a rock. You will decrease your risks from all cause mortality consuming a low fat whole food plant based nutrition

[@JR954]

Loved this session since discussed with an intelligent practicing general internist. She had the best views on caring for the regular current American.

[@HYDR8D]

Been Carnivore(raw beef) for 2 months. All of my pains are gone and i feel amazing. Everything Michelle said is wrong. Go carnivore and never look back.

[@Looksthatkale]

Sweet anecdotes bruh

[@mvers6671]

N=1 here as well. Never look back 💪

[@OmarDoha]

😂😂😂

[@happynessadict]

what are you searching for? why you are here?

[@alexashleigh8787]

@@happynessadicta lot of low carb/keto/carnivore eaters like myself like to maintain openmindedness and not get dogmatic. This means I try to listen to opposing views and to critique them and think for myself. I watch things I agree with and also disagree with. This ensures I stay non-dogmatic and open to being wrong.

[@vikki4now]

I have no idea how I got subscribed to a channel that would push a plant based Dr. No one with an ounce of biological intelligence would back a plant based diet. Can't unsubscribe fast enough.

[@Nadyamantra]

And yet, here you are.

[@bornaries7213]

Bye!🥱