Preview of CBS Docuseries "The Case of: JonBenet Ramsey"

[@emiliadavis8247]

I saw this on television on one of the sites, 3 years ago, and it was excellent!! Intelligent way of analyzing, and I think y'all are at least 95% correct! Where can I find it, to watch again?! I cannot find it anywhere!

[@catherinewilson9894]

Burke Ramsay sued the crap out of them for defamation, that's why you can't find it. I would love to watch it again as well.

[@nicoleackerman205]

You probably can't find it because they got sued by a certain someone who's name starts with a B.

[@emiliadavis8247]

@@nicoleackerman205 exactly what I was thinking!!

[@mackenziepoynter6642]

I just watched it on amazon video. It was like $5 for both parts!

[@emiliadavis8247]

@@mackenziepoynter6642 yes! oh at least we can still see it.! So glad I saw this!!

[@elizabethf4884]

this is shocking please give the love of people who need it it can be a murder case or someone in your family give them some love and hope

[@dariusmenda8487]

Just in theory only .. The authors of “Elizabeth Short, Zodiac & JonBenet’s notes” mostly start off with an “Introduction” .. “Dear” or “Mr. Ramsey” .. The endings with “Initials” .. The “Black Dahlia Avenger” is B.D.A. The “JonBenet Ransom Note” is S.B.T.C In both the “Exclamation Marks” in both notes are “Very Similar” in handwriting. The Zodiac & JonBenet’s note authors have this “Bad Habit” of “Scratching Out” or “Writing Above a Correction” instead of “Rewriting” the page. The Zodiac notes have this “Horrible Thing” of “Double .. SS .. OO” .. “Christmass” & “Posibly” .. “Victom” & “Controol” .. Etc. JonBenet’s ransom note has this “Horrible Thing” of “Double .. SS” or “Minus .. S” “Bussiness” & “Posession” .. On both the Zodiac & JonBenet’s notes the “i” dot above is slightly moved to the right .. The “s” & “h” on both are “Very Similar” .. The “a” on both are “Very Different” or made to look different. The “Black Dahlia” & “Zodiac” notes has many “Misspelled” words. Etc. But appears to be written by only “One Person & One Personality” .. The JonBenet ransom note appears to written by “3 different people” .. one of which is female .. In which JonBenet’s ransom note is “So Horribly” handwritten the “t” has a “Tail” or an “Upward Bar” in a cross look .. “instruction” 2nd page 2 different .. “t” .. This is the whole ransom note of different “t” styles. The “a” looks like it has an added in “Top Tail” which tries to make the “a” from the Zodiac notes look different from JonBenet’s ransom note. “The Blue Meannies” in the Zodiac note might refer to “Panaeolus Cyanecens” or “Magic Mushrooms” the best is said to come from Canada .. Maybe Zodiac was in Canada ? Then again the word might have 2 meanings the other would be for police. Maybe Zodiac was “Tripping on Magic Mushrooms” when writing ? “Blue Meannies” doesn’t sound like what a man would say but a child or female would. Just in Theory Only .. All 3 authors have the same type of taunting personality & terrible handwriting.

[@dariusmenda8487]

@Molly Mew Glenn Meyer had something to do with this .. I kind of get the feeling he moved in across the street from the Ramsey’s home in 1995.

[@dariusmenda8487]

@Molly Mew Patsy & JonBenét’s names are never mention in the ransom note but are the main individuals of harm .. Patsy’s .. “See everyone in 1997 letter” is “Rephrased & Mocked” in the ransom note .. “and if you want her to see 1997” .. JonBenét .. Is the main reason for the ransom note but all is written is “She Dies, Her Remains, Your Daughter” etc. John .. Is named “Mr. Ramsey” .. mocked as a friend .. “John” as one of the guys .. “Respect Business” .. is not a “Southerner” but is referred as one in the ransom note which they never knew him because John would have said he was from Nebraska .. was “Compassionate” towards John .. With everything that was written about John Ramsey in the ransom note could have a “Twisted Meaning” towards him .. Burke is never mention at all .. Non Existent.

[@brandymzdollredd2717]

I would love to re watch this documentary series. Is it available?

[@mackenziepoynter6642]

I just watched it on amazon video!

[@tedperry6466]

with the 25 yr old anniversary approaching, hopefully CBS reruns this special again. It's one of the most interesting docs I've ever seen. ABC just aired a 20/20 last week, with the focus mostly on the findings of the late detective, Lou Smit. He always maintained it was an intruder. I love listening to arguments on both sides, even though I believe it was the brother.

[@jacquiet6040]

Came across it yesterday by chance.

[@Daniel_Antonio_Arellano782]

@@tedperry6466 The brother was a 9 year old. He knew nothing about garrotes. And hitting his sister as to cause an 8 inch crack in her skull. A 9 year old would not have the strength.

[@zakiyareignshinellc4299]

It's on Amazon.

[@cheyanndoyle2542]

That kid acts like he's enjoying the re enactment a little too much.

[@wentworthcheswell8989]

The shame should be on Dr. Phil, twisting this interview and making it seem like the boy had something to do with it. This child lost his sister, he lost his family, he lost his friends, his life would never be the same and still isn't. He is a recluse still to this day because they sheltered him so he would have a hard time with people, especially a camera in your face under bright lights with Dr. Phil questioning him. And he's not smiling, he's trying to "get through it" to do the best he can to clear his name knowing America thinks he killed his sister. Shame on you also!

[@gamislatte5470]

@@wentworthcheswell8989 burke did it..parents cover up...get over it bro..

[@ale-mf6ef]

@@wentworthcheswell8989 the brother did it.

[@ale-mf6ef]

@@wentworthcheswell8989 of course you would be saying this. you support trump and are clearly not the smartest. the brother did it, the father had no dna involved to her, there was 2 sets of foot prints. the brothers and someone else, the brother was alone in the house along with her father who was proven innocent. it was the brother

[@jacquiet6040]

GUILTY

[@ashs2415]

They cannot find who killed their little girl, they need to stop looking outside the home

[@bethryan9077]

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m. The Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. He just said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long til cops arrived? After calling 911 she called the Whites & Fernies for Help. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. The big area of pee staining on both undergarments prove that. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position is why the big area of pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off & never found. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (Top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME chunks of pineapple were in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the bits in the top pf the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no cash. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick on the top of the head & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Their back-up was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from drawers & cupboards & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do & the Real experts know that. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known & also because the crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with fresh pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

[@bethryan9077]

The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the Whites Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think You Know about this crime - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. It’s 2022 & All is now Known - the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up. **The BPD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022

[@bethryan9077]

The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer. BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI & the CBI. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. You people know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most of you don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies & Mrs Stine - for Help. Mrs Stine couldn’t come. Mr Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior later, he too failed to see those windows. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case.

[@bethryan9077]

That letter that included 'and hence' was also given to the Barnhills, where Glenn Meyer was living in their basement apartment. The Ramseys didn't even know he was living there & had been for some time yet the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy had given the Barnhills Lots of letters, notes & cards over the years. JB's little dog was kept over there. Meyer got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. Meyer organised this crime for money & then with 3 other degenerates, it was also for revenge. Meyer was the author of the note. Meyer invited himself to the Ramsey's kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd. He knocked on the door saying he was looking for the Barnhills. He said he was very worried about them & John took to him to where they were & he stayed. He didn't even tell John Then, that he was living across the road in the Barnhill's basement apartment because it was a Secret. The Barnhills didn't introduce him to the Ramseys. John said later that he thought Meyer was a friend of the Barnhills who had just arrived from out of town to visit them for Xmas. Patsy's father offered him food. Patsy didn't see him there, obviously he wasn't there long At All. He made the 911 hang-up call, a test run to see how long the cops might take to get to that address. At the same time, that Anonymous call was going to cause the Ramseys trouble later because nobody at their party dialled that number. Meyer took the notepad Then, simple stuff actually. The marker belonged to Him. Patsy used to buy those notepads in packs of 5 from the local store. She & John had one each. Meyer's cohorts lived just down the road on the corner. Two of them got in the house via the kitchen door when the Ramsey's left for the White's Xmas dinner party. They had broken in before & that's why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. Thomas the Twit had Never worked a murder case before & neither had his partner. The 2 In Charge at that keystone cop shop they call the Boulder Police Department had Never worked a homicide case either. In relation to their interview with Larry King, May 31st, 2000 - When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in her underpants, they didn't know that the underpants were from the pack of 7 that Patsy had bought for her niece for Xmas from Bloomingdales. The ones that had the weekdays on the waistband. The ones that were called Bloomies & were size 12-14. The ones that were brand new & were still in the packet. The ones that Patsy had put in JB's bathroom vanity cabinet at the back of a drawer til she was big enough to fit into them, about 8 Years away. Patsy had bought JB 2 special Barbie dolls that same day from Bloomingdales also. One of the dolls came with her own pair of underpants that were also called Bloomies. JB wanted the underpants like her doll & later begged her mother for that pack of 7 & Patsy gave in. JB had gone over to the Barnhills when she & her mother got back from New York & JB told the Barnhills about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in the underpants, they didn't know that the perps had put a pair of Those underpants on their daughter when they had her in the basement. Patsy & John didn't know that JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that Xmas Day. Thomas the Twit - Did Know about those Big Underpants. All those like Yourself, Don't Know that those Big underpants would have fell straight to the floor when put on JB under Normal circumstances. Thomas the Twit said Patsy killed her precious child because she wet the bed. But there was No urine on the sheets. There was No evidence that JB wet the bed. There was the evidence of a big pee stain from JB that was on the carpet & underlay in the boiler room in the basement. Thomas the Twit says that Patsy strangled her daughter to death on that spot & from behind. He said That because - the underpants & long-johns had so much urine staining on the Front of Both that it was all-but to the waistbands of Both items. He said that was because JB's bladder released upon her death. Have a Good Look at the photos of those items. Does that Huge pee staining of Both items look like one pee from a little girl even at death? Don't forget the pee went through the carpet And the underlay. Don't forget that Thomas the Twit said JB had - Already Wet The Bed Before. The perps were giving JB quite a bit water in the early hours & from sadistic abuse, is what caused so much pee. The autopsy photos show the position of the cord at the front of JB's neck & the fact that her gold necklace was Caught just at the bottom of the cord at the front of the neck, Proves that JB was Not on her front when strangled to death. According to Thomas the Twit, this was all After the acts of whittling, cutting & breaking the paintbrush, fashioning all those intricate knots & wrapping the cord around the remaining handle & tying loops & using the tip of the paintbrush to penetrate her daughter's genitals til it caused Bleeding that was on her thighs, that was all wiped off with a blue cloth & that wasn't the only injuries at the front of this child's genitals. Because Thomas the Menace was a highly deceitful Nobody who constantly talked about the book of BS he was going to write instead of doing His Job. He doesn't even Know what the rest of the marks & abrasions Were that were on this little girl's body, Or what was Used to Cause them. There was in Fact, a Hole in JB's skull As Well. The skull piece was spit in 2 & inside. This fact was Not released to the public Or to that Imbecile & That's why he only talks about & Wrote about - a bang on the head that he said occurred when Patsy violently shoved her child so hard that she hit her head on the side of her bathtub, because of a Pee in her bed. How does a push & a fall into the side of a bathtub cause Two Severe fractures, one Open & from front to back & nearly the length of the skull & the Other was a Hole? It is a Fact that if Either of the gross fractures Had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. The autopsy photos Clearly show the dig marks from JB's nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The fingernails that held the unknown male DNA were Both of JB's pinkie fingers. Thomas the Twit didn't have any kids back at that time. What mother would put a turtle-necked jumper on their child to go to bed? Thomas the Twit believes Patsy did that & said so in this interview & Wrote that in his book of BS. In the middle of the Atlantic maybe that would be a good idea if one had no central heating. The Ramseys Did have central heating & their home was in Boulder. There are photos of JB in just normal PJs & the kids were up at 6 a.m. that Xmas Day morning to open their presents. JB didn't even have a dressing gown on & neither did Burke. Does it look like JB would wear turtle-necked jumpers to go to bed in That House? I don't know how John didn't blow a fuse in this interview when having to sit so close to Thomas the Village Idiot who, was lifting himself up & down when spouting his Crap like a wooden faced Puppet on a string. BTW - the Ramseys sure did Sue that Proven Liar who was & always will be, an absolute Moron & a stock-standard Sociopath. He Lost every cent of his Hundreds of Thousands Dollars that he made from his book that he wrote for his Own Financial Gain & blamed Patsy for the Torture & the highly sadistic murder of her adored little girl - for No Other Reason than a friggin NOTEPAD. His so-called investigation was a total Farce & he couldn't have cared less about this Child, because his Game was to be rich & famous like a movie star, which, he thought he was on the cusp of Achieving. He's Still crying about what an Epic Failure he Truly Was. See, Liars & Cheaters - Never Prosper.

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In a certain way this program relates almost to the “Black Dahlia” murder case in the murder of “Elizabeth Short” in January 15, 1947. “Tamar Nais Hodel” was someone I met back on Oahu on Citron Street .. She would talk about her family’s house in Los Angeles that looked like a “Mayan Temple” & that her friend was “Michelle Phillips” from the “Mamas & the Papas” .. “Tamar Nais Hodel” story was of her father “Dr. George Hodel” & his friends at their “Franklin House” because of the “Avenue” name. The house was known as the “Sowden House” built in 1927. In 1947 “Tamar Nais Hodel” had runaway from her home because of the “Abuse” she was receiving from her father & his friends. “Tamar Nais Hodel” led law enforcement back to her “Franklin House” to have her father “Arrested” & later he was “Acquitted” .. This later bought on a further investigation of “Dr George Hodel” because of the “Giant Media Sensation” of the “Black Dahlia” murder in which he became the “#1 Suspect.” The “Common Denominator” to all the cases of the “Lipstick Killer,” “Black Dahlia,” “Zodiac,” “Sweetheart Murders” & the “JonBenet Murder” .. Was “Edward Wayne Edwards” .. Similarities between the “Black Dahlia” & “JonBenet’s” murder cases were .. • The families were “Well To Do” • The fathers employed large numbers • The houses were “Labyrinths & Mazes” • Heavy Media Coverage • “Letters & Ransom Notes” that taunted • Involved young daughters • Remain Unsolved “Edward Wayne Edwards” enjoyed “Framing” people .. Enjoyed “Planting Evidence” .. Enjoyed “Handwriting” his victims “Notes & Ransom Notes” with the same “Taunted” & “Misspellings” of doo, loose, controol, bussiness & posession .. Etc. More of a “Trademark of the Author” .. “Edward Wayne Edwards” had his photo taken with “Elizabeth Short” .. A “Photo Booth” picture of a man that “Steve Hodel” refuses to “Acknowledge” probably because of his police background. “Steve Hodel” is “Tamar Nais Hodel’s” brother .. Their father “Dr. George Hodel” was suspected of having a relationship with “Elizabeth Short” & then murdering her. By 1996 “Edward Wayne Edwards” would have been around the same age with “Bill McReynolds, 67” & “Glenn Meyer, 64.” “Glenn Meyer” was an uninvited guest of the Ramsey’s December 23, 1996 Christmas Party .. Who “Cased” the Ramsey home & was told to leave & probably the reason why “911” was called. Maybe just a sick .. “Frame just short of a Murderers Masterpiece” ..

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@Molly Mew Glenn Meyer must have had something to do with the murder .. as someone said & I finally found that information about the “S.B.2.C” on sides of the WWII airplane Barnhill flew in was written into the ransom note as the signiture “S.B.T.C” .. “T” Substituted “2” from “T” in “Two” ..

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@Molly Mew “Nick of Time” (1995) was shown on December 1996 at 7:30 pm .. JonBenét’s ransom note copied this movie .. Starting from “Mr. Ramsey” .. “Listen Carefully” .. To the 3rd Page “100% chance of getting her back” .. Mostly refers to “Mr.” & never states the wife’s name during the movie .. “Nick of Time” .. @ 15:00 Johnny Depp as Mr. Watson is warned not to talk to police or .. “She’s Dead” .. talking to anyone .. “She’s Dead” .. @ 06:00 2 Police officers spot a couple only to find out they are French .. Roma Maffia as Ms. Jones makes a wise crack about France does not help U.S. in Kuwait. @ 10:00 Christopher Walken as Mr. Smith tells Mr. Watson to follow instructions or she’s dead .. your daughter’s life depends on you .. or she’s dead. Mr. Smith loves the word .. Dead. @ 12:00 Mr. Smith asks his partner .. “What happens if I don’t call you ?” Ms. Jones replies “Kill her anyways.” @ 15:00 Mr. Smith repeats .. She’s Dead .. She’s Dead .. Mr. Smith loves that word .. Dead. @ 24:00 A foreign faction with a video recorder keeps popping up from now till movie ending with no explaination of who they are. @ 26:00 Mr. Smith antagonises and then shows compassion for Mr. Watson .. Even though Mr. Smith plans to murder Mr. Watson & the daughter in the end. @ 27:00 Again this creepy foreign faction reappears under the clock at 12:31 pm @ 34:00 Someone who looks like the Ramsey’s next door neighbor. @ 37:00 Electronic devices & law enforcement turns off metal detector .. @ 39:00 Mr. Watson finds out he just stepped into the “Twilight Zone” after talking to Bill Smitrovich as Officer Trust .. is part of the conspiracy. @ 40:00 Mr. Smith again likes saying .. Dead .. Dead .. Dead .. Dead .. Dead .. @ 47:00 Mr.Smith looks like he’s taking some orders from the foreign faction. @ 48:00 G.D. Spradlin as the mysterious powerful Lobbyist who evades justice in the end. @ 52:00 Mr. Smith loves that word .. Dead. @ 53:00 Mr. Smith tells Mr. Watson .. He’ll cut his daughter’s head off. @ 1:06:00 Listen to me carefully (Repeated a number of times) .. @ 1:17:00 Foreign Faction again .. mystery actors Michael Chong & Cynthia Noritake never speak a word of english ..

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@Molly Mew Thanks Molly .. It’s been interesting !

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@Molly Mew Totally Agree that these were hired killers .. not kidnappers. Notice how the investigators never talk about the crawl spaces in the basement ? The crawl space entrance is from the train room .. The crawl space is where the investigators found a duffel bag.

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If there is a hell I hope the Mom has a guided tour.

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Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m. The Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. He just said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long til cops arrived? After calling 911 she called the Whites & Fernies for Help. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. The big area of pee staining on both undergarments prove that. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position is why the big area of pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off & never found. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (Top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME chunks of pineapple were in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the bits in the top pf the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no cash. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick on the top of the head & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Their back-up was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from drawers & cupboards & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do & the Real experts know that. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known & also because the crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with fresh pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

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so grateful 4 Ur post

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LMMFAO!

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Yep I agree about the 4 and 2 are dead

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@@79bewareofpuppies97 The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer. BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI & the CBI. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. You people know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most of you don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies & Mrs Stine - for Help. Mrs Stine couldn’t come. Mr Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior later, he too failed to see those windows. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case.

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@@79bewareofpuppies97 That letter that included 'and hence' was also given to the Barnhills, where Glenn Meyer was living in their basement apartment. The Ramseys didn't even know he was living there & had been for some time yet the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy had given the Barnhills Lots of letters, notes & cards over the years. JB's little dog was kept over there. Meyer got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. Meyer organised this crime for money & then with 3 other degenerates, it was also for revenge. Meyer was the author of the note. Meyer invited himself to the Ramsey's kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd. He knocked on the door saying he was looking for the Barnhills. He said he was very worried about them & John took to him to where they were & he stayed. He didn't even tell John Then, that he was living across the road in the Barnhill's basement apartment because it was a Secret. The Barnhills didn't introduce him to the Ramseys. John said later that he thought Meyer was a friend of the Barnhills who had just arrived from out of town to visit them for Xmas. Patsy's father offered him food. Patsy didn't see him there, obviously he wasn't there long At All. He made the 911 hang-up call, a test run to see how long the cops might take to get to that address. At the same time, that Anonymous call was going to cause the Ramseys trouble later because nobody at their party dialled that number. Meyer took the notepad Then, simple stuff actually. The marker belonged to Him. Patsy used to buy those notepads in packs of 5 from the local store. She & John had one each. Meyer's cohorts lived just down the road on the corner. Two of them got in the house via the kitchen door when the Ramsey's left for the White's Xmas dinner party. They had broken in before & that's why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. Thomas the Twit had Never worked a murder case before & neither had his partner. The 2 In Charge at that keystone cop shop they call the Boulder Police Department had Never worked a homicide case either. In relation to their interview with Larry King, May 31st, 2000 - When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in her underpants, they didn't know that the underpants were from the pack of 7 that Patsy had bought for her niece for Xmas from Bloomingdales. The ones that had the weekdays on the waistband. The ones that were called Bloomies & were size 12-14. The ones that were brand new & were still in the packet. The ones that Patsy had put in JB's bathroom vanity cabinet at the back of a drawer til she was big enough to fit into them, about 8 Years away. Patsy had bought JB 2 special Barbie dolls that same day from Bloomingdales also. One of the dolls came with her own pair of underpants that were also called Bloomies. JB wanted the underpants like her doll & later begged her mother for that pack of 7 & Patsy gave in. JB had gone over to the Barnhills when she & her mother got back from New York & JB told the Barnhills about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in the underpants, they didn't know that the perps had put a pair of Those underpants on their daughter when they had her in the basement. Patsy & John didn't know that JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that Xmas Day. Thomas the Twit - Did Know about those Big Underpants. All those like Yourself, Don't Know that those Big underpants would have fell straight to the floor when put on JB under Normal circumstances. Thomas the Twit said Patsy killed her precious child because she wet the bed. But there was No urine on the sheets. There was No evidence that JB wet the bed. There was the evidence of a big pee stain from JB that was on the carpet & underlay in the boiler room in the basement. Thomas the Twit says that Patsy strangled her daughter to death on that spot & from behind. He said That because - the underpants & long-johns had so much urine staining on the Front of Both that it was all-but to the waistbands of Both items. He said that was because JB's bladder released upon her death. Have a Good Look at the photos of those items. Does that Huge pee staining of Both items look like one pee from a little girl even at death? Don't forget the pee went through the carpet And the underlay. Don't forget that Thomas the Twit said JB had - Already Wet The Bed Before. The perps were giving JB quite a bit water in the early hours & from sadistic abuse, is what caused so much pee. The autopsy photos show the position of the cord at the front of JB's neck & the fact that her gold necklace was Caught just at the bottom of the cord at the front of the neck, Proves that JB was Not on her front when strangled to death. According to Thomas the Twit, this was all After the acts of whittling, cutting & breaking the paintbrush, fashioning all those intricate knots & wrapping the cord around the remaining handle & tying loops & using the tip of the paintbrush to penetrate her daughter's genitals til it caused Bleeding that was on her thighs, that was all wiped off with a blue cloth & that wasn't the only injuries at the front of this child's genitals. Because Thomas the Menace was a highly deceitful Nobody who constantly talked about the book of BS he was going to write instead of doing His Job. He doesn't even Know what the rest of the marks & abrasions Were that were on this little girl's body, Or what was Used to Cause them. There was in Fact, a Hole in JB's skull As Well. The skull piece was spit in 2 & inside. This fact was Not released to the public Or to that Imbecile & That's why he only talks about & Wrote about - a bang on the head that he said occurred when Patsy violently shoved her child so hard that she hit her head on the side of her bathtub, because of a Pee in her bed. How does a push & a fall into the side of a bathtub cause Two Severe fractures, one Open & from front to back & nearly the length of the skull & the Other was a Hole? It is a Fact that if Either of the gross fractures Had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. The autopsy photos Clearly show the dig marks from JB's nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The fingernails that held the unknown male DNA were Both of JB's pinkie fingers. Thomas the Twit didn't have any kids back at that time. What mother would put a turtle-necked jumper on their child to go to bed? Thomas the Twit believes Patsy did that & said so in this interview & Wrote that in his book of BS. In the middle of the Atlantic maybe that would be a good idea if one had no central heating. The Ramseys Did have central heating & their home was in Boulder. There are photos of JB in just normal PJs & the kids were up at 6 a.m. that Xmas Day morning to open their presents. JB didn't even have a dressing gown on & neither did Burke. Does it look like JB would wear turtle-necked jumpers to go to bed in That House? I don't know how John didn't blow a fuse in this interview when having to sit so close to Thomas the Village Idiot who, was lifting himself up & down when spouting his Crap like a wooden faced Puppet on a string. BTW - the Ramseys sure did Sue that Proven Liar who was & always will be, an absolute Moron & a stock-standard Sociopath. He Lost every cent of his Hundreds of Thousands Dollars that he made from his book that he wrote for his Own Financial Gain & blamed Patsy for the Torture & the highly sadistic murder of her adored little girl - for No Other Reason than a friggin NOTEPAD. His so-called investigation was a total Farce & he couldn't have cared less about this Child, because his Game was to be rich & famous like a movie star, which, he thought he was on the cusp of Achieving. He's Still crying about what an Epic Failure he Truly Was. See, Liars & Cheaters - Never Prosper.

[@cameronaraujo-ramsay2492]

That is so sad because she maybe did't have a chance to get a job or be older because she was bead and she was really Young 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😥

[@CrowLotus]

I think that the fact that she couldn't get a job is the least of our worries regarding her death lol

[@democratresistance7847]

Why yalll think they suppressed it???? Burke did it.

[@debrahouse7807]

I wonder why John made Burke’s bed that morning????? Was there evidence there ????

[@bethryan9077]

The Facts - The note was real, the instructions were clear, don't call the cops. The threat was Very serious. Patsy had only read to the part where it said we have your daughter & she raced upstairs to check JB's room & screamed for John. John told Patsy to call the cops before he had read the note. Then he was reading it downstairs but only scanned through it quickly & just told Patsy to call them. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was, where to go & exactly what to do. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed. Fibres from the cord were found on her sheet & are in evidence. They ran out the back door & down to the back & waited under the pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & using electricity. The paint tray was put on the carpet in that area to cover the large pee stain in case someone came looking for JB in the morning. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the large pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. In JB's stomach were the colours viscous, light green & tan of no particulate matter identified. The top part of her small intestine contained fragments of yellow, light green-tan. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the proximal portion (top) of the small intestine. The ME only said 'maybe pineapple' there because that useless Arndt was present & said there was pineapple in a bowl. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. That flashlight was never used & didn't belong to the Ramseys & was never taken into evidence. The 1st weapon used was a brick & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near the butler's kitchen & their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 males from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do btw. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills & was worried about them, ensuring that he would be let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known. The crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 4 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. Arndt saw the unclothed life-size doll in the playroom & a computer & decided there was incest in the family. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & that was the first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window was opened after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Steamboat Springs Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was always listening but never present. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. It is very telling that even when Meyer went to their house on the 23rd, he didn't even tell John then that he was living at the Barnhills. John thought he had arrived from somewhere to visit them. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit of the tray & up a bit & you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple found in it) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was leftover icing not milk with the pineapple. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up.

[@bethryan9077]

@@debrahouse7807 Fleet made Burke's bed when he went to get him to take him to their house at about 7.15 a.m.

[@bethryan9077]

Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m. The Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. He just said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long til cops arrived? After calling 911 she called the Whites & Fernies for Help. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. The big area of pee staining on both undergarments prove that. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position is why the big area of pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off & never found. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (Top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME chunks of pineapple were in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the bits in the top pf the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no cash. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick on the top of the head & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Their back-up was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from drawers & cupboards & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do & the Real experts know that. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known & also because the crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with fresh pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

[@debrahouse7807]

@@bethryan9077 How do you know all this???? Is your information right, it sounds right, but then something else gets put out, then it starts all over again

[@mangojerry2330]

Part 3 ?

[@jellygirl6838]

Sad:(

[@chicopilkington4317]

Jonbenet brother killed her And the mother covered it up......

[@ironbutterflyasmr4111]

Where is your proof and/or evidence of that?....First off JonBenet was STILL ALIVE when she was in that basement. There is evidence of her fingernails digging into her throat to get the rope from around her neck. JonBenet was carried down that spiral staircase as there was Xmas garland in her hair.....do you think a young boy could or would have carried her down there when he could just have easily killed her in her bedroom, especially if the murder was spur of the moment in anger? Why would he need to carry her, she would have gone down to the cellar willingly as he is not a stranger to her, and how did he subdue her for her to be carried anyway, and if he had hit her and she passed out, why move her from the bedroom? He could have just gone back to his own room and pretended all innocence. Do you really think that Patsy Ramsey would have killed her beautiful daughter by watching her struggling, and trying to get the garrote from around her neck whilst she was choking her to death, releasing and pulling on that choke-hold in a controlled sado-masochistic sexual type of killing just because Burke had knocked her out in an argument, and then bashed her over the head obliterating her tiny skull?...Do me a favour!

[@wentworthcheswell8989]

It finally came out that there was DNA evidence of an unidentified male found on Jon Bonet Ramsey's body. It was not her father's DNA, it was not her brother's DNA and it was male, so it also excluded her mother. Now what part of that evidence has anything to do with what you said. You murdered Jon Bonet Ramsey and are trying to throw the cops off by saying her brother did it.

[@denisegonzalez4417]

Chico joe you are a bad speller

[@mariam.zmnnnnn]

IRONBUTTERFLY ASMR all wrong

[@kellysutton2780]

@@wentworthcheswell8989 wondering if the pastor's dna was tested it had to be someone they trusted

[@elainewilkey7712]

I think so

[@Gina123369]

This documentary was BS. First off, Jonbenet was killed by strangulation, not the blow to the head. Read the autopsy, the blow to the head came second because there was little blood in the skull, meaning she was already dead and the heart stopped pumping. She was killed by an intruder who was jealous/mad at her dad, John, and wanted to hurt this family by killing the most precious. LOOK AT THE BACKGROUND OF THE RAMSEY'S PEOPLE! There was no history of child abuse, domestic violence, mental illness, etc etc. They were a normal, loving family. Her murder was intentional and premeditated, NOT an accident.

[@79bewareofpuppies97]

"Read the autopsy, the blow to the head came second because there was little blood in the skull, meaning she was already dead and the heart stopped pumping." If she was already dead when the craniocerebral trauma was inflicted, then the 1.75" x 8" contusion that ran along the upper right side of her brain wouldn't have been purple.

[@Daniel_Antonio_Arellano782]

All you who cast wrongful judgement will reap the benefits. You're tongues light fires of hate and false witnesses.

[@DragonWolf-sb8im]

Alot of poeple are talking about Jonbenet that was found dead.

[@lateefwise7651]

I WONDER ARE THE POLICE STILL WATCHING THEM ?ALSO IF THE PARENTS WASN'T THE KILLERS ARE THEY STILL LOOKIN FOR THE KILLER... IT WOULD BUG ME AS A PARENT!

[@Wolfy-xq8py]

Angel don’t cry

[@donnadreyer2580]

Its been over 27 Years now.The Ramsey House has since then been bought several times,the last time,the house was gutted completely and remodeled.The Ramsey House was not a crime scene,meaning no actual crime took place IN the home.The night that the girl was found,the Ramsey Family went to stay with Family Friends to never again step foot in that house...People are accusing the Ramsey Family of killing the girl,where are your facts ?? You want to blame the Brother,because he simply a BOY. As of April 2020 The Ramsey Home sits empty with a tall gate around the entire estate.If i had the money ,i would buy it and move in,and why not,why let that beautiful home sit empty.

[@gutenbird]

Donna Dreyer there ‘s plenty of evidence the mother was involved. Stop blindly defending them. The kid didn’t slip and die on accident.

[@bethryan9077]

@@gutenbird There is No evidence that Patsy was involved. What part of exonerated don't you understand? And that DNA is in CODIS btw

[@gutenbird]

@@bethryan9077 you’re funny. Keep spreading your lies.

[@bethryan9077]

@@gutenbird There is Nothing that I lie about ya dafty. It has been very well established that you know zero about this case so stfu

[@gutenbird]

@@bethryan9077 nah. But you’d like that. You people who defend this baby killing mother. But yeah, keep pushing the idea that these people were all cozily asleep as some intruder pulled their daughter all around the house. Noone heard nothing and surprise, there’s a Christmas let written on Patsy’s notepad with Patsy’s pen along with some practice notes because of course that’s what kidnappers do, make long practices notes while they could be busy removing the body from the house. But sure, the kidnapper could dare bother do the fundamental aspect of kidnapping and actually kidnap someone. That makes sense. And the killer just happened to like Patsy’s paint brush so much that he used it as the murder weapon. And wow, Patsy was so helpful in finding the killer by lawyering up and closing off access to the investigators. And no, the DNA didn’t exonerate her as so many actual DNA experts have pointed out. Do you really believe she didn’t do it or is this an act? Seriously?

[@ritaeichler2066]

This is so ridiculous...they have no idea what happened that night!just trying to make lots of $

[@adish7275]

I lost all respect for Jim when i found out he defends Amanda knox.

[@kaydencegauthier3857]

So I'm listening to this man on you tube about this he's a retired cop I forgot his name now he had something good to say about this is that if John was melasting Jon Benet and Patsy walked in and found John doing that Patsy hit John in the head and when or something like that she ended up hitting Jon Benet by accident and it was so bad they couldn't call 911 cause this was a melasting thing and they covered it up and strangled her after cause she still was not dead now I got goose bumps when he mentioned that so what do you think I wish you guys would he his side how he said it but amazing to think that

[@kaydencegauthier3857]

@Molly Mew I don't remember his name that mentioned all this stuff I'll go threw my history and see thanks for this info

[@debrastarr9147]

Or John had been secretly molesting Jonbenet in that large house for months without Patsey's knowledge and accidentally killed her then subsequently lied to Patsey someone broke in the house and did it. Actually that doesn't explain Patsey writing the ransom Note.

[@bethryan9077]

The Facts - The note was real, the instructions were clear, don't call the cops. The threat was Very serious. Patsy had only read to the part where it said we have your daughter & she raced upstairs to check JB's room & screamed for John. John told Patsy to call the cops before he had read the note. Then he was reading it downstairs but only scanned through it quickly & just told Patsy to call them. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was, where to go & exactly what to do. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed. Fibres from the cord were found on her sheet & are in evidence. They ran out the back door & down to the back & waited under the pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & using electricity. The paint tray was put on the carpet in that area to cover the large pee stain in case someone came looking for JB in the morning. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the large pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. In JB's stomach were the colours viscous, light green & tan of no particulate matter identified. The top part of her small intestine contained fragments of yellow, light green-tan. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the proximal portion (top) of the small intestine. The ME only said 'maybe pineapple' there because that useless Arndt was present & said there was pineapple in a bowl. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. That flashlight was never used & didn't belong to the Ramseys & was never taken into evidence. The 1st weapon used was a brick & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near the butler's kitchen & their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 males from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do btw. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills & was worried about them, ensuring that he would be let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known. The crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 4 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. Arndt saw the unclothed life-size doll in the playroom & a computer & decided there was incest in the family. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & that was the first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window was opened after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Steamboat Springs Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was always listening but never present. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. It is very telling that even when Meyer went to their house on the 23rd, he didn't even tell John then that he was living at the Barnhills. John thought he had arrived from somewhere to visit them. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit of the tray & up a bit & you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple found in it) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was leftover icing not milk with the pineapple. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up.

[@bethryan9077]

None of that is true

[@bethryan9077]

The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer. BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI & the CBI. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. You people know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most of you don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies & Mrs Stine - for Help. Mrs Stine couldn’t come. Mr Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior later, he too failed to see those windows. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case.

[@Native722]

Burke did it

[@moniquepace8952]

No he didn't

[@princessmildered6245]

@@moniquepace8952 yes he did he never liked his sister and he put poop on her painting and hit her before w a golf cart

[@bethryan9077]

The Facts - The note was real, the instructions were clear, don't call the cops. The threat was Very serious. Patsy had only read to the part where it said we have your daughter & she raced upstairs to check JB's room & screamed for John. John told Patsy to call the cops before he had read the note. Then he was reading it downstairs but only scanned through it quickly & just told Patsy to call them. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was, where to go & exactly what to do. At about 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed. Fibres from the cord were found on her sheet & are in evidence. They ran out the back door & down to the back & waited under the pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & using electricity. The paint tray was put on the carpet in that area to cover the large pee stain in case someone came looking for JB in the morning. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the large pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. In JB's stomach were the colours viscous, light green & tan of no particulate matter identified. The top part of her small intestine contained fragments of yellow, light green-tan. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the proximal portion (top) of the small intestine. The ME only said 'maybe pineapple' there because that useless Arndt was present & said there was pineapple in a bowl. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no money. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. That flashlight was never used & didn't belong to the Ramseys & was never taken into evidence. The 1st weapon used was a brick & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near the butler's kitchen & their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 males from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from cupboards & drawers & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do btw. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills & was worried about them, ensuring that he would be let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known. The crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting all the DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 4 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. Arndt saw the unclothed life-size doll in the playroom & a computer & decided there was incest in the family. Thomas was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & that was the first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window was opened after the cops left. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Steamboat Springs Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy also bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was always listening but never present. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. It is very telling that even when Meyer went to their house on the 23rd, he didn't even tell John then that he was living at the Barnhills. John thought he had arrived from somewhere to visit them. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit of the tray & up a bit & you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with pineapple found in it) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated themselves. That was a heavy bowl & that was leftover icing not milk with the pineapple. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up.

[@79bewareofpuppies97]

@@bethryan9077 There are these things. You probably have never heard of them. They're called paragraphs.

[@bethryan9077]

@@79bewareofpuppies97 Only so many lines can be put under the reply bar & so, no paragraphs & that's why that narrative is just the Basics.

[@conspiracyfact9659]

The brother definitely did it!!! THEY PROVED WITHOUT A DOUBT THAT THE BROTHER DID IT AND THE PARENTS COVED IT UP SO HE WOULDN'T GET IN TROUBLE.

[@bethryan9077]

BS. Known Facts - Alarm set 5.30 a.m. The Ramseys were to get on a plane for Charlevoix. Patsy found the note, raced upstairs, found JB gone & screamed for John. He just said “call the police”. It was pitch dark, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long til cops arrived? After calling 911 she called the Whites & Fernies for Help. 2 got in the kitchen door when the Ramseys went to the Whites for dinner. They had broken in before & is why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. About 1.30 a.m. JB was choked with the white nylon cord & tasered on her back in her bed, wrapped in 2 white blankets & carried to the boiler room. When the cord was quickly released she screamed, a neighbour heard that because of the vent in the boiler room. Fibres from the cord were found on JBs sheet & are in evidence. They ran out a side door, down to the back & waited under a pine tree then went back in. They had run into the metal ladder & it hit the cement as they ran out. That was the 'crash' noise the neighbour's husband heard. Fresh pine needles came off one of their jackets & were found in the cellar & are in evidence. She was given a lot of water in the early hours & tasered & tortured near that boiler room. The big area of pee staining on both undergarments prove that. That was not a garrotte it was a complex bondage device & made by the 17 year old who was into causing fear & used electricity. Both these factors & position is why the big area of pee staining on the front of both undergarments & near to the waistbands. The carpet & underlay were cut out due to the pee stain & are in evidence. The nylon cord was bought as it had to be a bit slippery for the purpose. The knots were intricate & specific then a certain number of ties on the wood & then the 3 loops. When that was done the rest of the cord was JB's exact height. The tip of the paintbrush was cut off & never found. That was not a paintbrush of Patsy’s. JB was given pineapple fruitcake earlier & at 5.30 a.m. She did not eat any of that pineapple that was in the bowl, that was part of the staging, one of many. ‘The stomach contains a small amount (8-10cc) of viscous to green to tan coloured thick material of no particulate matter identified’. ‘The Proximal Portion (Top) of the Small Intestine contains fragmented pieces of yellow to light green-tan apparent vegetable or fruit material which may represent fragments of pineapple’. Arndt was there & told the ME chunks of pineapple were in a bowl. It takes 2 hours for stomach contents to go to the top of the intestine. In Patsy’s recorded statement June ’98, Thomas Haney told her the pineapple in the bowl was Different to the bits in the top pf the small Intestine. When Patsy called 911, JB was strangled to death in a rage on top of the dryer in the basement laundry. Cops coming meant no cash. There was a phone in that laundry. The one piece of tape was put over her mouth to stop fluids getting on their clothes & she was carried to the cellar. Then 3 blows to the head, 3 weapons & each is in evidence. The 1st was a brick on the top of the head & that caused the huge fracture. The 2nd was a utility knife & small stabs to the skull in a shape. The tool used was broken off & not found. The 3rd was the end of the steel kid's ball bat & that caused the hole that the stabs started. They had planned if the cops were called. They didn't plan that Patsy would stay on the phone calling friends to come & help. That phone on the wall was in the alcove near to where they had to get out the basement door & then their exit door. Glenn Meyer was the author of the note & he organised it all for money with 3 from the house on the corner. One had a huge grudge against John in relation to a family business in Michigan. All was set up to incriminate all Ramseys if no money was paid. Their back-up was the taking of photos. Many items were brought into the house & staged. Many items were taken from drawers & cupboards & staged all over the house, basement & a few things outside. Meyer was secretly living in the Barnhill's basement across the road. He got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. JB's dog was mostly kept there & the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy gave the Barnhills many cards, letters & notes in her print writing over the years. It is easy to copy print writing & he only had to do Some letters like hers as it was Supposed to look like she was trying to disguise hers, which is impossible to do & the Real experts know that. From his vantage point Myer could see through both staircase windows & knew Patsy & John came down the back stairs each morning to make coffee. The note was spread out so all 3 pages would be seen, they wanted their money. The notepad was taken at the Xmas party on the 23rd. Meyer went over saying he was looking for the Barnhills worried about them ensuring he was let in. John took him to where they were sitting & he stayed. The Ramseys didn't even know who he was. JB was never to be taken from the house they had nowhere to operate. The SBTC & Victory is about a plane. Joe Barnhill was a radial gunner in WW2 & flew on the SB2C, Two - T, so SBTC. That was a famous bomber plane & lauded for bringing the war to victory. Meyer had a poster of that plane on a wall in his room, Victory was on the side of the plane. There is a photo of Barnhill holding a framed picture of that plane. From the advanced forensics, the private investigators who never gave up & as happens with lots of crimes, people talk eventually & is why so much is now known & also because the crime scene techs did an excellent job in taking all the photos & the videos & collecting DNA. The Ramseys never put one foot back in that house ever again from after JB was found & they left. The trauma was way too much, but if they Had been able to, this case would have been a Very different matter for all involved. The discoveries were everywhere if the family would have seen it all with very astute investigators. Thomas was only brought into the case 3 days after because the investigators present refused to target the Ramseys. He was an ex-narcotics officer who had Zero experience with Any murder before let alone a ransom, which was the first crime. He thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD spent their time covering up their total incompetence. They rarely had a murder & this was their first for '96. They refused help from the FBI & the CBI. They put about misinformation & leaked certain photos. That amount of $118,000 was near John's bonus for '95 & was paid to him in March '96. The amount was on his pay stubs each month of '96 that were in his office. The suitcase was already placed under the window & the window opened. Both done as subterfuge. Same with the fresh green leaves that were dumped at the grate & some 'caught' under it. Lou made a mistake about that window, that's all. It was never an entry or exit point. Early that morning, 2 officers did not go in the train room door & 2 failed to pull open that cellar door. There is soo much more to this case that the public don't know about. The type of air taser used has been identified. The burns on JBs back & face are from same taser. The 2nd point was under JB's ear. The burn on her face was bigger because the point was placed there more than once - control. Google the murder of Gerald Boggs 1993 Colorado. His autopsy photo shows the Exact same burns on his face, the 2nd point was on his earlobe. Those tasers were widely used by drug dealers in the 90s. The big underpants JB was found in were put on her in the early hours. Patsy, her sister, their mother & JB went to New York Xmas shopping. Patsy bought her niece a pack of 7 underpants from Bloomingdales that were called Bloomies. They were size 12-14 & had the weekdays on the waistbands. Patsy bought from there 2 special Barbie dolls for JB. One had her own pair of underpants also called Bloomies. JB begged her mother for the pack of 7 so she had some like her doll. Patsy gave in & they were put away for JB til she would fit into them, about 8 years away. They were put in the back of a drawer in JB's bathroom. When they got home JB went to see her dog at the Barnhills & told them about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that year for Xmas Day. Access the photo of the paint tray on the carpet. Look to the left a bit at the tray & up a bit, you will see a drawing of a sinister smirking cat's face/head on the carpet, as on the note - fat cat. That was not a nightgown of JBs found in the cellar, it was a dress taken off her life-sized doll that was kept in the corner of her room, but found in the playroom standing at a window. That bowl (with fresh pineapple) was used at the Xmas party on the 23rd & had the icing for the gingerbread houses that all the kids were given & they decorated. That was a heavy bowl & that was icing not milk. There were No fingerprints on that bowl. That glass had a dried tea bag & no tea was made in that. That silver ladle in the bowl came from a cupboard near the spiral staircase & was from a boxed set of 2 that the Ramseys received as a wedding present & had never been opened. That was chosen & placed because of the filigree that was the same as the filigree on many of JB's crowns. The Ramseys were finally exonerated in 2008 due to All the evidence that showed someone was in the house, over 200 pieces of & the DNA cleared them plus lots of others then & since. It is 2021, all is known & 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead. Justice is coming.

[@bethryan9077]

The BPD took the note to the Secret Service & they also hired 2 Renowned private experts, all 4 said No Ramsey wrote the note. **From the 1st week of 1997 til 2008, DNA testing was done at 3 separate labs. Within the 1st Two Weeks, the results of DNA testing were back - from under JB’s fingernails - unknown male DNA, mixed with JonBenet’s DNA. Steve Thomas & his cronies kept this vital result from the DA for 7 months. The same Steve Thomas who later went on to Pretend that he was lead detective & he still does. Two spots of blood were in the underpants but Never tested. Steve Thomas constantly talked about the book he was going to write. It wasn’t until the grand jury was to convene that more DNA tests were ordered. The blood was JBs & Same unknown male DNA - saliva mixed in a spot of her blood in the underpants. This DNA from an unknown male wasn’t developed enough for CODIS at that stage. The BPD were ‘leaking’ false & misleading information to the media & the frenzy continued. Eventually the BPD were made to Publicly apologise for doing this to the family but This Fact has been forgotten/not known about by the general public. The BPD, whose officers Should have found JB early that morning though a Search for her was never carried out as it was a Ransom note. Three officers were tasked with checking entry & exit points, yet failed to pull open the cellar door & go in there & they Failed to go through the train room door also, thinking it was a cupboard door, they by-passed it. The broken window was Not where the perps got in the house, but That is Not the point. Only America & one other country still has a stupid grand jury system. It is unfair, unjust & doesn't work. The jurors only hear from the prosecution, who get to pick & choose what evidence is presented & which witnesses appear. There is no judge, no defence lawyers & No experts to rebut Whatever is presented. As a consequence, the jury vote on the side of the prosecution 98.6% of the time. And the BPD withheld a great deal of vital evidence. The vote was never for murder. Unlike the jury, the general public & the media, the DA Saw all the evidence known about at that time as did Lou Smit, one of the best investigators in the country. The DNA alone Proved just how Wrong the jury Were. The investigators Present refused to target the Ramseys but Unfortunately Steve Thomas was brought into the case 3 days later & his goal was to make a name for himself. 18 months later he illegally took evidence material from the BPD & resigned on national TV, an act that was unheard of in law enforcement history. Of course, that was the precursor for his book of BS, blaming Patsy because of a notepad & he commenced book tours. He was promptly sued for that book of lies, but soo many have forgotten about or don’t know about That also. He garnered money from the public for his defence but come time for court, he refused to get on the stand to back his Story. The case was settled out of court & he lost every cent. The investigation Continued along with a bevy of private investigators who had full integrity & worked tirelessly Unpaid to catch the highly sadistic killers of this child & at the same time, they hoped to save another. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. The Ramseys continued that til Patsy died in 2006 & John continued the same & does to this day. Very few know about a libel case in 2003 - Wolfe vs Ramsey, where Federal Court Judge Carne got to go over the evidence known about at that stage. Carne declared the Ramseys factually innocent due to the 'Abundance of evidence that pointed to an intruder'. All can read that 93 page document online. She also had quite a bit to say about Steve Thomas in relation to his integrity as a police officer & all his BS in that book. She was particularly incensed about him stating a time of death for JB when he was not a doctor nor a pathologist. He did That to suit his own agenda & for that book, being for, his own financial gain. Carne was also quite scathing in relation to Cina Wong who tried to present evidence about that note when Wong had no qualifications to call herself a writing analyst let alone an expert & she never had the original copy of the note. Pages showing fake writing As If Patsy’s writing ‘samples’ & As If from police files, continue to appear on vids about this case. The pages are all Fake. Wong put out a video of course, showing a whiteboard with writing ‘samples’ As If Patsy’s, it’s all Fake. The public have Never seen Patsy’s writing. The Ramseys & Loads of others. who included known pedos, were Cleared by the DNA a Long time ago. The DNA from that unknown male was developed & has been in CODIS since 2003. The FBI’s national database only accepts Qualified DNA. Further testing in 2007 - Same unknown male DNA at 2 places on the waistband of the long-johns, on the inside & the outside there. The Ramseys were finally Exonerated publicly in 2008 due to All the evidence that Showed someone Was in the house, over 200 pieces of Plus the DNA from the unknown male, that had also cleared John Mark Karr who said he did it. Next testing in 2016 with Advanced forensics - 2 male DNA on the long-johns, one is hispanic. The other is a white guy, Seen crossing the Ramsey’s backyard after they left for the Whites Xmas dinner. This was reported & newsworthy at the time. All the false & misleading information given to the media by the BPD did push This vital piece of Evidence under the rug. Then all the books of BS with all the versions of Whatever, took the case into a whole new level & the BS continues. James Kolar was in the office of the DA, Mary Lacy, for a very short time & was Fired. He also ran off to write His book of BS & blamed Burke because he needed new fodder. His ‘Story’ was so ludicrous, no publisher would touch it. He had to pay to self-publish & to very poor sales. He was & still is, just Another con artist & Proven Liar. Then CBS heard the sound of Kerching. N.B. Who would Write a ransom note on their Own notepad & use their Own marker & then put both of those items near the phone For The Cops? There is something seriously Wrong with all those who believe Patsy did That! Mark Beckner eventually found some integrity & publicly stated “when the owner of the DNA is found, there’s your killer”. The public need to understand that this case hasn’t been to Trial yet & so - You Know Nothing True About This Crime, The Case Or About What Was Actually Perpetrated Upon This Poor Child. BTW - Burke, Was Never Even A Suspect. The bits you Think You Know about this crime - Are NOT True. *You all need to get this Very Clear - You Do Not Know Better than some of the Best investigators in the country or the Expert crime scene techs or the Top forensic scientists or the FBI or the Secret Service or the DAs or the Federal Court Judge or the Boulder PD, who, for Many Years have Also stated that the Ramseys - Are Innocent. It’s 2022 & All is now Known - the 4 involved have been identified, 2 are dead, the BPD are holding things up. **The BPD have issued a statement via the media - 1st May, 2022

[@bethryan9077]

The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer. BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI & the CBI. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. You people know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most of you don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies & Mrs Stine - for Help. Mrs Stine couldn’t come. Mr Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior later, he too failed to see those windows. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case.

[@bethryan9077]

That letter that included 'and hence' was also given to the Barnhills, where Glenn Meyer was living in their basement apartment. The Ramseys didn't even know he was living there & had been for some time yet the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy had given the Barnhills Lots of letters, notes & cards over the years. JB's little dog was kept over there. Meyer got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. Meyer organised this crime for money & then with 3 other degenerates, it was also for revenge. Meyer was the author of the note. Meyer invited himself to the Ramsey's kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd. He knocked on the door saying he was looking for the Barnhills. He said he was very worried about them & John took to him to where they were & he stayed. He didn't even tell John Then, that he was living across the road in the Barnhill's basement apartment because it was a Secret. The Barnhills didn't introduce him to the Ramseys. John said later that he thought Meyer was a friend of the Barnhills who had just arrived from out of town to visit them for Xmas. Patsy's father offered him food. Patsy didn't see him there, obviously he wasn't there long At All. He made the 911 hang-up call, a test run to see how long the cops might take to get to that address. At the same time, that Anonymous call was going to cause the Ramseys trouble later because nobody at their party dialled that number. Meyer took the notepad Then, simple stuff actually. The marker belonged to Him. Patsy used to buy those notepads in packs of 5 from the local store. She & John had one each. Meyer's cohorts lived just down the road on the corner. Two of them got in the house via the kitchen door when the Ramsey's left for the White's Xmas dinner party. They had broken in before & that's why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. Thomas the Twit had Never worked a murder case before & neither had his partner. The 2 In Charge at that keystone cop shop they call the Boulder Police Department had Never worked a homicide case either. In relation to their interview with Larry King, May 31st, 2000 - When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in her underpants, they didn't know that the underpants were from the pack of 7 that Patsy had bought for her niece for Xmas from Bloomingdales. The ones that had the weekdays on the waistband. The ones that were called Bloomies & were size 12-14. The ones that were brand new & were still in the packet. The ones that Patsy had put in JB's bathroom vanity cabinet at the back of a drawer til she was big enough to fit into them, about 8 Years away. Patsy had bought JB 2 special Barbie dolls that same day from Bloomingdales also. One of the dolls came with her own pair of underpants that were also called Bloomies. JB wanted the underpants like her doll & later begged her mother for that pack of 7 & Patsy gave in. JB had gone over to the Barnhills when she & her mother got back from New York & JB told the Barnhills about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in the underpants, they didn't know that the perps had put a pair of Those underpants on their daughter when they had her in the basement. Patsy & John didn't know that JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that Xmas Day. Thomas the Twit - Did Know about those Big Underpants. All those like Yourself, Don't Know that those Big underpants would have fell straight to the floor when put on JB under Normal circumstances. Thomas the Twit said Patsy killed her precious child because she wet the bed. But there was No urine on the sheets. There was No evidence that JB wet the bed. There was the evidence of a big pee stain from JB that was on the carpet & underlay in the boiler room in the basement. Thomas the Twit says that Patsy strangled her daughter to death on that spot & from behind. He said That because - the underpants & long-johns had so much urine staining on the Front of Both that it was all-but to the waistbands of Both items. He said that was because JB's bladder released upon her death. Have a Good Look at the photos of those items. Does that Huge pee staining of Both items look like one pee from a little girl even at death? Don't forget the pee went through the carpet And the underlay. Don't forget that Thomas the Twit said JB had - Already Wet The Bed Before. The perps were giving JB quite a bit water in the early hours & from sadistic abuse, is what caused so much pee. The autopsy photos show the position of the cord at the front of JB's neck & the fact that her gold necklace was Caught just at the bottom of the cord at the front of the neck, Proves that JB was Not on her front when strangled to death. According to Thomas the Twit, this was all After the acts of whittling, cutting & breaking the paintbrush, fashioning all those intricate knots & wrapping the cord around the remaining handle & tying loops & using the tip of the paintbrush to penetrate her daughter's genitals til it caused Bleeding that was on her thighs, that was all wiped off with a blue cloth & that wasn't the only injuries at the front of this child's genitals. Because Thomas the Menace was a highly deceitful Nobody who constantly talked about the book of BS he was going to write instead of doing His Job. He doesn't even Know what the rest of the marks & abrasions Were that were on this little girl's body, Or what was Used to Cause them. There was in Fact, a Hole in JB's skull As Well. The skull piece was spit in 2 & inside. This fact was Not released to the public Or to that Imbecile & That's why he only talks about & Wrote about - a bang on the head that he said occurred when Patsy violently shoved her child so hard that she hit her head on the side of her bathtub, because of a Pee in her bed. How does a push & a fall into the side of a bathtub cause Two Severe fractures, one Open & from front to back & nearly the length of the skull & the Other was a Hole? It is a Fact that if Either of the gross fractures Had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. The autopsy photos Clearly show the dig marks from JB's nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The fingernails that held the unknown male DNA were Both of JB's pinkie fingers. Thomas the Twit didn't have any kids back at that time. What mother would put a turtle-necked jumper on their child to go to bed? Thomas the Twit believes Patsy did that & said so in this interview & Wrote that in his book of BS. In the middle of the Atlantic maybe that would be a good idea if one had no central heating. The Ramseys Did have central heating & their home was in Boulder. There are photos of JB in just normal PJs & the kids were up at 6 a.m. that Xmas Day morning to open their presents. JB didn't even have a dressing gown on & neither did Burke. Does it look like JB would wear turtle-necked jumpers to go to bed in That House? I don't know how John didn't blow a fuse in this interview when having to sit so close to Thomas the Village Idiot who, was lifting himself up & down when spouting his Crap like a wooden faced Puppet on a string. BTW - the Ramseys sure did Sue that Proven Liar who was & always will be, an absolute Moron & a stock-standard Sociopath. He Lost every cent of his Hundreds of Thousands Dollars that he made from his book that he wrote for his Own Financial Gain & blamed Patsy for the Torture & the highly sadistic murder of her adored little girl - for No Other Reason than a friggin NOTEPAD. His so-called investigation was a total Farce & he couldn't have cared less about this Child, because his Game was to be rich & famous like a movie star, which, he thought he was on the cusp of Achieving. He's Still crying about what an Epic Failure he Truly Was. See, Liars & Cheaters - Never Prosper.

[@January.]

Presenter's English is awful.

[@moniquepace8952]

Now all of a sudden everyone in the comment are crime detectives LOL I'm done

[@ruthcarter1360]

Just a stupid question, ❓ could Burke have been that messed up, did he hate his sister and her fame, did he resent having to take a back seat, was he maybe also abused ?? These are so important to pinpoint the mental state of Burke, could he have deliberately attacked her or was it an accident??? Or did he just witness what and who did this to his sister??or was he completely innocent and a victim as well??

[@sunshinerays2747]

Burke was asleep in his bed. The children were not messed up or abused. Very well cared for. Burke had a train set he played with in the basement, JonBenet had so much confidence she was able to just hop on stage and perform, at malls etc. wherever the pageant was held. She loved performing. There are two theories...neighbors from across the yard in the house over.. or two employees that served jail time for embezzlement and forgery and owed Jon Ramsey 18,000 each...plus 100,000 for being bailed out of prison for those two crimes. The neighbor supposedly had a grudge against John Ramsey and Patsy gave cards and notes to them ..the man in question was living in their basement(of the Ramsey's neighbors) and JonBenet kept her dog over there(supposedly). The other possibility is that it was a pedo who got infatuated with JonBenet at her pageant etc. and decided to attack her but why kidnap AND ask for money. And 118,000? Why not 2 or 3 million etc. A lot of it doesn't add up.

[@ruthcarter1360]

@@sunshinerays2747 and Elvis Presley is alive and well 😱and Lady Diana is also alive and well somewhere 🧐🧐

[@donnaschatte9515]

​@sunshinerays2747 the housekeeper stated that Burke wiped feces in her bed and in the basement shower I think it was. It was also documented that not long before the murder, Burke had hit Jonbenet on the head and she had to go to the hospital. The housekeeper described how Burke had "issues" and was probably jealous of Jonbenet.

[@ruthcarter1360]

@@donnaschatte9515 Thanks 👍 that's making a much clearer picture of Burke's mindset and the situation between the two kids... Do you think that the parents loved and wanted to protect Burke more than Jonbenet? Keeping the secrets....

[@ssbmouse6471]

Too bad the Ramseys sued them out of production

[@bethryan9077]

Why? They are a bunch of despicable lying con artists who destroyed Burke & made all so much worse for that Innocent family. Did you miss that the Ramseys were exonerated in 2008? This was just a Bogus show put out as marketing for Kolar's book of bs

[@bethryan9077]

The Present officers had No problems believing the Ramseys were genuine & Linda Arndt wrote a Favourable report about the Ramseys & said their behaviour was appropriate to the circumstances. The media went into a frenzy because the body was found in the house & they considered that to have been on Arndt's watch. She arrived at 8.10 a.m. with detective Patterson. It was actually Her who moved the body to the living room. Eight cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom Note. It was the Cops who should have found JB early that morning, Not her poor father that afternoon. The BPD then went into damage control to save their Own asses & so the BS began. Arndt was put on desk duties, didn’t like what was going on in the office & was gone by May. Her next job was as a tree lopper. Many today still believe that Arndt was the only officer at the house all day when That is not true either, she was on her own from 10.30 a.m. Next - she had great acting lessons for that Performance on national TV because she was after a book deal Too. Next - she tried to sue the BPD for Money, but lost the case. Her report to the BPD was in the public domain & so, she was Caught as a Liar & later retracted all she said in that abysmal interview. Somewhere along the line she had Regret at least & when Patsy was dying, Arndt went to see her & apologised for all she had said for the TV audience & vowed to help find the killer. BTW - Lying loon Arndt knew Full Well the note said Tomorrow but deliberately didn’t mention That in her interview on TV. The Ramseys gave the cops free reign to their house from the minute officer French walked in the door because they had Nothing To Hide. They spoke to the cops & detectives in total, for Hours that morning & after JB was found. Burke was interviewed when still at the Whites at 2 p.m. by detective Patterson, Neither parent was present, nor did they know that was happening. John spoke with the Ds that night, Patsy was bedridden by then. Arndt asked John for them to go to the PD on the 28th. The Ramseys had already witnessed how inept the cops Were & John hired a private investigator straight away. All Ramseys gave the required samples & John spoke to the Ds for 2 hours again that day. He asked Eller to speak to Patsy at the house where they were staying because she was so ill & medicated, Eller refused to do that. Steve Thomas was brought in because the Present investigators refused to target the Ramseys. Thomas had Zero experience with Any murder case before & thought he would make a name for himself from this high profile crime & later dubbed himself as lead detective when he was Not. His partner was an auto-theft officer. The BPD rarely had a murder & this was the first for '96. The next 2 up the ladder had No experience with homicide Either. The BPD refused help from the FBI & the CBI. The present investigators had no concerns about deception but Then the body was found in the house when the Cops should have found her early that morning & the BPD went into damage control & so, the BS Began. False & misleading information was already being leaked to the media. The Ramseys were told they were being targeted & advised to get lawyers. Very sound advice & the Right of All citizens. The talk was through the lawyers then, That's how it Goes. John went on to hire 3 more private investigators. What guilty person, let alone Two, would subject themselves to soo many interviews with soo many reporters on national TV & for Years? NONE. And John continued that after Patsy died. He & John Andrew continue Still. You people know Nothing about this crime & know nothing True about this case. Most of you don't even Know what Actually happened to JB. The Ramseys were Proven Innocent a long time ago, it is way over time to leave the family In Peace. Patsy was using the Wall phone that was near the kitchen. In the Real recording of that call, Patsy hanging up the handset on the cradle is Clearly heard - CLICK. IF the cops Actually had Any Ramseys in the background because Patsy didn’t hang up, the recording would have been played til the end & all would have heard CLICK. And, Steve Thomas refused to have that call forensically sound tested. Funny that. It was before 6 a.m., pitch dark outside, no-one around & they were terrified. Who would know how long the cops would take to get there. After that Desperate 911 call, Patsy called the Whites, the Fernies & Mrs Stine - for Help. Mrs Stine couldn’t come. Mr Fernie later called their pastor for prayers & comfort, it was going to be a long wait, the note said Tomorrow. The cops called 2 victim’s advocates to come. 8 cops & detectives arrived at various times that morning, Nobody was looking for JB, it was a Ransom note. John did Not go straight to the cellar. He & Fleet White were checking out the broken window, looking for any glass at all. They had checked the 2 cupboards in that co-joined room first. The cellar was the next room at that end of the basement. John had Presumed the cops down the basement that morning had checked out that broken window early that morning. He was to find out later that the cops hadn't gone through the train room door & so to those windows. The cops didn't know about that broken window til they went back that evening. That's Why the 'famous' photo of the open window was taken in the Night. The cops have always kept That info Hidden from the public As Well The same cops, also failed to flip the latch down on the top of door jamb of the cellar door & pull that door open, they just walked away. Officer Veitch went around the exterior when still dark that morning with his flashlight, he failed to see those same windows that could be accessed under the grate. Reichenbach went around the exterior later, he too failed to see those windows. That broken window is Not where the perps got into the house, but That is Not the point. Steve Thomas & the other keystone cops continually said that John had lied about getting in that window when he locked himself out of the house in the summer, even though the housekeeper had vacuumed up the broken glass there 2 times. Thomas nor any other cop Ever tried to climb in there. Down the track, it took Lou Smit to Demonstrate, that John Could fit through there & so what he said about that was Also True. There were Fresh green leaves dumped at that grate & some ‘caught’ under the edge of it that was farthest from the window side, as If someone had lifted the grate & then when putting it back down, leaves were caught under there. Thomas the Twit said in his book of BS, that the greenery was Foliage & what was Under the Edge of the grate that Sat on the brickwork, had Grown Under It. Jeeez. One just needs to see the crime scene Photos taken of that area & all around the exterior, to See that there is No Other Leaves Or ‘Foliage’, let alone Green & the gardener had been recently & everything was Clear & Cleaned Up. That will give the people some idea of the level of the Intellect of just one of the so-called ‘investigators’ on this case.

[@bethryan9077]

That letter that included 'and hence' was also given to the Barnhills, where Glenn Meyer was living in their basement apartment. The Ramseys didn't even know he was living there & had been for some time yet the kids & Patsy were over there often. Patsy had given the Barnhills Lots of letters, notes & cards over the years. JB's little dog was kept over there. Meyer got to know a great deal about the Ramseys. Meyer organised this crime for money & then with 3 other degenerates, it was also for revenge. Meyer was the author of the note. Meyer invited himself to the Ramsey's kids & friends Xmas party on the 23rd. He knocked on the door saying he was looking for the Barnhills. He said he was very worried about them & John took to him to where they were & he stayed. He didn't even tell John Then, that he was living across the road in the Barnhill's basement apartment because it was a Secret. The Barnhills didn't introduce him to the Ramseys. John said later that he thought Meyer was a friend of the Barnhills who had just arrived from out of town to visit them for Xmas. Patsy's father offered him food. Patsy didn't see him there, obviously he wasn't there long At All. He made the 911 hang-up call, a test run to see how long the cops might take to get to that address. At the same time, that Anonymous call was going to cause the Ramseys trouble later because nobody at their party dialled that number. Meyer took the notepad Then, simple stuff actually. The marker belonged to Him. Patsy used to buy those notepads in packs of 5 from the local store. She & John had one each. Meyer's cohorts lived just down the road on the corner. Two of them got in the house via the kitchen door when the Ramsey's left for the White's Xmas dinner party. They had broken in before & that's why they knew where everything was & exactly what they were going to do. Thomas the Twit had Never worked a murder case before & neither had his partner. The 2 In Charge at that keystone cop shop they call the Boulder Police Department had Never worked a homicide case either. In relation to their interview with Larry King, May 31st, 2000 - When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in her underpants, they didn't know that the underpants were from the pack of 7 that Patsy had bought for her niece for Xmas from Bloomingdales. The ones that had the weekdays on the waistband. The ones that were called Bloomies & were size 12-14. The ones that were brand new & were still in the packet. The ones that Patsy had put in JB's bathroom vanity cabinet at the back of a drawer til she was big enough to fit into them, about 8 Years away. Patsy had bought JB 2 special Barbie dolls that same day from Bloomingdales also. One of the dolls came with her own pair of underpants that were also called Bloomies. JB wanted the underpants like her doll & later begged her mother for that pack of 7 & Patsy gave in. JB had gone over to the Barnhills when she & her mother got back from New York & JB told the Barnhills about her special presents. Meyer was ever listening. When Patsy & John were talking about the unknown male DNA that was under JB's fingernails & in the underpants, they didn't know that the perps had put a pair of Those underpants on their daughter when they had her in the basement. Patsy & John didn't know that JB was found in the ones that had Wednesday on the waistband. It was a Wednesday that Xmas Day. Thomas the Twit - Did Know about those Big Underpants. All those like Yourself, Don't Know that those Big underpants would have fell straight to the floor when put on JB under Normal circumstances. Thomas the Twit said Patsy killed her precious child because she wet the bed. But there was No urine on the sheets. There was No evidence that JB wet the bed. There was the evidence of a big pee stain from JB that was on the carpet & underlay in the boiler room in the basement. Thomas the Twit says that Patsy strangled her daughter to death on that spot & from behind. He said That because - the underpants & long-johns had so much urine staining on the Front of Both that it was all-but to the waistbands of Both items. He said that was because JB's bladder released upon her death. Have a Good Look at the photos of those items. Does that Huge pee staining of Both items look like one pee from a little girl even at death? Don't forget the pee went through the carpet And the underlay. Don't forget that Thomas the Twit said JB had - Already Wet The Bed Before. The perps were giving JB quite a bit water in the early hours & from sadistic abuse, is what caused so much pee. The autopsy photos show the position of the cord at the front of JB's neck & the fact that her gold necklace was Caught just at the bottom of the cord at the front of the neck, Proves that JB was Not on her front when strangled to death. According to Thomas the Twit, this was all After the acts of whittling, cutting & breaking the paintbrush, fashioning all those intricate knots & wrapping the cord around the remaining handle & tying loops & using the tip of the paintbrush to penetrate her daughter's genitals til it caused Bleeding that was on her thighs, that was all wiped off with a blue cloth & that wasn't the only injuries at the front of this child's genitals. Because Thomas the Menace was a highly deceitful Nobody who constantly talked about the book of BS he was going to write instead of doing His Job. He doesn't even Know what the rest of the marks & abrasions Were that were on this little girl's body, Or what was Used to Cause them. There was in Fact, a Hole in JB's skull As Well. The skull piece was spit in 2 & inside. This fact was Not released to the public Or to that Imbecile & That's why he only talks about & Wrote about - a bang on the head that he said occurred when Patsy violently shoved her child so hard that she hit her head on the side of her bathtub, because of a Pee in her bed. How does a push & a fall into the side of a bathtub cause Two Severe fractures, one Open & from front to back & nearly the length of the skull & the Other was a Hole? It is a Fact that if Either of the gross fractures Had occurred Before death, the skull would have been filled with blood, It Wasn't. The autopsy photos Clearly show the dig marks from JB's nails in her skin At the cord because she was fighting for her life when being strangled to death. The fingernails that held the unknown male DNA were Both of JB's pinkie fingers. Thomas the Twit didn't have any kids back at that time. What mother would put a turtle-necked jumper on their child to go to bed? Thomas the Twit believes Patsy did that & said so in this interview & Wrote that in his book of BS. In the middle of the Atlantic maybe that would be a good idea if one had no central heating. The Ramseys Did have central heating & their home was in Boulder. There are photos of JB in just normal PJs & the kids were up at 6 a.m. that Xmas Day morning to open their presents. JB didn't even have a dressing gown on & neither did Burke. Does it look like JB would wear turtle-necked jumpers to go to bed in That House? I don't know how John didn't blow a fuse in this interview when having to sit so close to Thomas the Village Idiot who, was lifting himself up & down when spouting his Crap like a wooden faced Puppet on a string. BTW - the Ramseys sure did Sue that Proven Liar who was & always will be, an absolute Moron & a stock-standard Sociopath. He Lost every cent of his Hundreds of Thousands Dollars that he made from his book that he wrote for his Own Financial Gain & blamed Patsy for the Torture & the highly sadistic murder of her adored little girl - for No Other Reason than a friggin NOTEPAD. His so-called investigation was a total Farce & he couldn't have cared less about this Child, because his Game was to be rich & famous like a movie star, which, he thought he was on the cusp of Achieving. He's Still crying about what an Epic Failure he Truly Was. See, Liars & Cheaters - Never Prosper.

[@reddragongnosis2255]

Patsy killed JonBenet deliberately. No one else was involved. There was no staging for police. Everything that was done was done by Patsy for Patsy as part of a psychotic fantasy revolving around an imagined relationship with a supernatural being, the fear of judgement by that God and the fear of death. What people mistakingly take as staging for police had symbolic meaning known only to Patsy. This includes the ransom note. There were two aspects to what was done to the body: the ligatures were suspension devices, the body was posed and viewed and then taken down, placed in the small room, wrapped and the duct tape applied to set the kidapping scene up in Patsy's mind. The ransom note is full of the ideas that swirled in Patsy's mind that night and plagued her for many years. The goal was not to kill JonBenet but to make an Angel out of her. Patsy herself said after the funeral "JonBenet is in Heaven with God awaiting her mother's arrival and it won't be long." Patsy put JonBenet in that heaven to complete the fantasy and in her mind assure her life after death. As the dedication in DOI says: Wherever we go ... Whatever we do ... [We're gonna go through it together ...]

[@bethryan9077]

Stop spreading this Garbage just because you have a channel just to post this despicable trash talk about poor JonBenet. Shame on you.