Final Fantasy 4 - How OVERPOWERED! Can You Get BEFORE Paladin Cecil

How overpowered can you get in Final fantasy 4 before all your effort gets wasted because of level resets and party members leaving? lets find out shall we!
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[@JasonNCSU2007]

Now we need a follow-up where Paladin Cecil reaches level 99 with max HP before leaving Mt Ordeals.

[@Arbron]

Characters aren't reset upon rejoining. They actually gain experience after they've joined at least once and left, which is why Tellah came back at 99.

[@jonmcknight18]

Yep the only character who gets a level reset is Cecil once he actually becomes a paladin and yes while when you first get him his stats suck because he's at lv1 he has some insane stat growth and he will be holding he's own once your back down mount ordeals

[@Arbron]

@@jonmcknight18 It's also a good idea to do some solo grinding with Cecil on the way down so that Rosa, Rydia, Kain and Yang all benefit. The experience given to the out-of-party characters is equal to what's displayed at the end of the battle, meaning Cecil getting 4000 (as opposed to 1000 each between himself, Palom, Porom and Tellah) also means those out of party characters get 4000 each.

[@Expelsword014]

@@Arbron Yeah the crazy thing about FF4 is that in the long term, the best way to play is actually Paladin Cecil solo, because it vastly increases the amount of EXP your permanent team gains.

[@stormcutter59]

​@@Expelsword014Wait really? How do you set that up?

[@Expelsword014]

@@stormcutter59 Like Arbon says above, EXP given at the end of battle is totaled from all the monsters, then divided evenly among all living battle participants - this is the number that is displayed as the reward, and every character gets that much EXP added. For example, lets say you kill one monster worth 1000 EXP, but you have 4 characters alive at the end of battle. The game will tell you that you gained 250 EXP, and everyone gains 250 EXP. If you have only 1 character, then the game will say that you gained 1000 EXP, and that character gets 1000 EXP. The thing that you can abuse is that characters that are out-of-party still receive EXP to level them up - they receive the same EXP your living battle party gets whenever a battle is completed. If you have Cecil fight alone. he will level up 4x faster than normal because he's not sharing EXP with anyone. The 4x EXP he gains will also be given to each OOP member directly - the characters that are in your party early but come back later (Rosa, Kain, Rydia) are thus also leveling at 4x speed. It's not always easy to have Cecil do everything alone, but the less you divide the EXP throughout the game, the more everyone is getting in the background before they rejoin.

[@Theonewhoisinfinite]

Final Fantasy IV Is my favorite FF of all time, and one of my top five games of all time too! Seeing those kinds of numbers as Cecil is a dark knight is just ridiculous, bravo for putting in all the time and effort!

[@AnaverdGaiden]

Hell yeah, it's awesome to see someone that actually loves the good FF games!

[@jonmcknight18]

What is you preferred formation for the luner subtarain party fbfbf or bfbfb I prefer the latter and use a metal boomerang masamune

[@AtariSwitch]

After level 70, when a character levels up, the game chooses randomly from a set of possible stat upgrades. I can tell from Palom's stats he got several of the +3 Strength, Intellect. Strength is relatively useless for him and it looks like Intellect is maxed, so those points were wasted. To truly get the strongest you could be, you'd need to reset and re-level until you get a more useful one like +2 Agility, Intellect, Spirit or +1 to All. Every character has their own set of possible upgrades, so for each you'd have to plan out how many of which upgrade you need to get as close to maxed as you can. This also means you need to get Tellah to 99 before he leaves so you can control his stat growth.

[@callmezeldaonemoartime]

Oh my God, I never even knew that

[@dtnuh]

I don't know if it's true in the remastered versions, but Tellah is the only character who can actually LOSE stats as he levels....poor old Sage!

[@edmondgreggory3688]

@@dtnuh i thought all characters had a chance to lose stats after level 70.

[@NBmad]

This!

[@pumpkin6192]

@@dtnuh he literally gets inflicted with a worse version of the old spell!

[@SirJoelsuf1]

6:09 That's a mechanic used to make sure that when players rejoin, they aren't dozens of levels behind your current players. Speedrunners of FFIV use it to make sure that Kain and Rosa have certain levels/abilities to progress.

[@keyserv2]

I thought this was a pretty well-known trope of Final Fantasy games. They're supposed to be fighting alongside the main party.

[@bloodalchemy]

It depends on the version of ff4. Most let characters gain levels but there is one of the rereleases that doesn't.

[@cyberbullyssb2870]

....madness. I remember feeling really ripped off when I first played this game and Cecil was reset after all my grinding. Didn't see it coming, made me set that game down for a while. You're a legend.

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Glad youre back to focusing on this series. I know it takes a lot of time and effort and isnt super sustainable for output but i really love them. Just need the algorithm to put you in front of people

[@Primalliquid92]

im seeing how it goes focusing on just big videos like this until the end of the year, currently though given the performance of the last 3 and this one it isnt looking good for this sort of series

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​@@Primalliquid92Understandable, but I do think part of it is the games covered. XV for example just doesnt quite have the level of broken-ness you can get in older games

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Great job!

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Love the vids, man! Thanks for making some great FF content!

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Keep up the amazing work I love this series

[@TheAlastaur]

Great vid. thanks!

[@jasonfowler6801]

Thank you for documenting this total madness! I played so much of this as a kid. I would level up at the beginning so Kain would be even stronger when he returns to the party. The pixel remaster is so good.

[@rededge2003]

Fun fact. Depending on the version of the game is depending on if the party members you get back will increase in levels :) . SNES ff2 members will increase. But some of the ff4 versions later released to not ! I have done the grind to KO Kain in your duel.

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[@Primalliquid92]

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These are insane, but make me chuckle. Good going!

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You do these challenges so we dont have to. You tell us its a waste of time, we watch the video even more. Thats a smart tactic. Keep us hooked, keep us hungry for more. Good lad.

[@Primalliquid92]

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[@djrakman3909]

@@Primalliquid92 I started playing final fantasy when it was called final fantasy and that was part 3. First JRPG i remember is ultima 4. I was very young i learned how to read on that game. I was amazed there were 3 previous versions. I thoght they would be equally as good. When FF6 first came out on playstation I thought it would have full motion video and 3D graphics. The moral of the story is if you can hook somebody with the best content then all the lesser content gets noticed by default. I been hooked by default the whole time. I am that old. I admire dudes your age going back to games this old and grinding them out. You fully got me back into FF8 btw. In my 40s feeling like a kid again. Thanks gov....

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Great video from the grind lord!!

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I always love how these videos are told in a guide format while he's simultaneously telling you not to do this

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What a Worktime for just a 10min Video. Your a Legend.

[@GaretStrife]

FF4 was my first Final Fantasy, back on the PS1 when it was released alongside FF5 as the Anthology Collection. Back then, I didn't have a clue that the Kain fight in Fabul was scripted and unwinnable. So, I levelled Cecil against oh so many Goblins. It was always "one more level", but no matter how long I bashed my head against the wall, Kain refused to be beaten. When I finally bit the bullet and continued, Cecil became a Paladin. Back to level 1. I could have snapped the disc in half.

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Yay ! Another overpowered video !

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As always great vid

[@Primalliquid92]

Glad you enjoyed

[@vicious2k6LLC]

@@Primalliquid92 always do and your one of the reasons I started KZbin and twitch but don’t have any feed back on what to approve on my videos

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nice work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@benjamingulzow4358]

Your awesome and I love your videos

[@dlarsh]

Didn't cap Kain's level before Mist Dragon, gotta do it all over again lol. In all seriousness, though, this is crazy dedication, well done.

[@Primalliquid92]

yea there was no way i was gonna do that grind lol

[@FruitlessGaming]

Ahh, another OP series. Nicely done! 🎉🥳

[@Primalliquid92]

More to come!

[@johnf6042]

Thanks!

[@Primalliquid92]

no no, thank you! for the super

[@callmezeldaonemoartime]

God you’re insane, and I love you for it

[@cvasey1992]

Always watch these

[@timyac]

Just finished this game for the first time the other day. Great timing!

[@Primalliquid92]

:)

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Solid video lad

[@Primalliquid92]

thank you! im just trying to spread the crazyness

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Love this series😊

[@Primalliquid92]

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[@Taikomo]

If you went to the trouble of grinding Edward, a character that will never rejoin the party for the rest of the game, to 99, shouldn't you have done the same for Kain, who will rejoin later?

[@Galahaddruid]

That's some ungodly amount of grinding there. Impressive work man.

[@Bakuan]

These crazy op videos never get old.

[@AA_Antonio]

Good vid

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Good lord u got you it 💪

[@487trentos]

Wow, perfect time. I've just started following your FF4 platinum guide :) too far through to attempt this madness though!

[@Primalliquid92]

oh i absolutely wouldnt suggest doing this anyway lol

[@487trentos]

@@Primalliquid92 I absolutely would not. There is FAR too much time put into this effort for me. But I do like to use them to become reasonably powerful early on. A good example is your FF8 OP video. Very useful info on which cards to farm to make powerful magic early on. I cannot applaud you enough for the time, research, and effort you put into each of these OP videos. They are by far my favourite of the video formats you put out.

[@johnpaulgilbert3898]

Just more insanity by you brother in the best way.

[@cassman1213]

Your dedication to the grind is heroic my guy ,i always look foward to the op videos especially. Ps i was looking for an Xperia phone case on your merch store but couldn't find one do you perhaps have a link ?😁

[@Primalliquid92]

im afraid we dont do experia :(

[@bluestrife28]

I loved how buff Cecil was and everyone dropped like flies to that I forget the name (I always called it the Swoon Sword - got from King Fabul), I always wondered how it would go for him to carry on getting stronger.

[@thechadshow6830]

crazy amount of time for this. Kudos

[@arumea5418]

This one feels special compared to the other challenges since all this work simply poofs when he becomes a Paladin so you can even continue the game as normal after. well I guess your party members would be changed but most of the people you have at the time of becoming a Paladin you don't have anymore or have an altered version.

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Love it

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You are what they call an absolute mad lad.

[@carltaylor2975]

This dude is an absolute BEAST. The will power and dedication this takes is out of this world. Amazing man, simply astonishing.

[@liamarmstrong4333]

Wow, i like a good grind. But you sir, are the OP OG. It amazing what you can do with these games.

[@Primalliquid92]

Glad you like them!

[@TheSqoad]

Wow, okay, every minute of his video felt like I learned something new about FF4. xD

[@robertfdawson87]

Huge respect for putting the hours into a 10 minute video

[@IndexInvestingWithCole]

My favorite series on youtube for my favorite game

[@Primalliquid92]

glad you enjoyed it so much

[@WinspearUltima]

This is a cool video but when are you going to do one for final fantasy VI I’ve been waiting for that entry for so long

[@MrTylerWpg]

My goodness, Mr Liquid. Your self-loathing to do this much work only for it to be literally erased is amazing

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Love it. Here's your algorithm comment

[@jimivader8979]

This is insane!😂

[@lmelior]

You madlad. The only way I'd do something like this is if I had some sort of auto-input for grinding, and even then I'd only beef up the final party members. This is just crazy!

[@Primalliquid92]

movies help alot

[@Carikenja]

This brings back memories and goes to the extreme of what I used to do when I was seven years old. I knew that Tellah would level up because Tellah's level would be linked to Rydia's. (I knew this because I would kill off all the other party members and only level Rydia.)

[@johncameron1935]

I have done the pre-rydia goblin/cockatrice grind before. Not my favorite but not the worst grind.

[@lehmentippie5898]

I can only imagine the conversation that occurs when Tellah sees a 7 year old casting Meteor.

[@KHayes666]

This made me laugh harder than it should have. I just imagined Tellah throwing his hands up and says to Cecil "The hell do you need me for?"

[@Kurtistrent007]

I should try this.

[@TheAuron32]

This is good timing, after i beat Kefka's arse in 6, this one is next on my list.

[@marcoschukerberga1418]

Hi friend I really love your videos I wish someday you can do an overpowered series with my one of my favorite games of all time dragon quest 8 and I know is suicide task I tried but sadly never reached my goal to be at level 99 before Dhoulmagus battle I think is more easy to do it in the 3ds version but I don't own that console

[@michaelmoore1627]

Ok, as this was my first FF ill sub.

[@magicfoxsocks]

That is insane, but now I want to replay and get those apples for myself…

[@nathanastle9322]

You are leaving a permanent wonderful mark on internet gaming

[@Vitreia]

This is the sort of shit I did back in grade/middle school when I had all the free time in the world. Ah, the memories!

[@RubbleRamp]

Listening while driving. 3:45 "thousands!?"

[@algorburn6212]

Primal, if you're doing a series of old games again, please look into radiata stories. Imo hands down one of the best game from square in the ps2 era. Great story and fun gameplay, and it even has multiple ending. Hope you have a chance to play through it Once you're hooked, then maybe you can show overpowered video on that game too and defeat the unbeatable fights without cheats lol

[@WombatDave]

Finally, my favorite FF game appears on this channel.

[@Soulsnatcher89]

My question here is, do the silver apple hp bonus carry over from dark knight to paladin, or does he still go back down to 600

[@purpan89]

Crazy!

[@Primalliquid92]

thats what i aim for!

[@dmoney3337]

i salute you sir. im a grind freak but not to this extent lmao

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Yes, it was worth a Like and a Comment 😉

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ITS BACK!!