Prince of Persia's Final Games

out of time ⌛
Prince of Persia's one of those rare series that exudes quality, consideration, and charm. It's rough to see something that started, or rather, was rebooted from an older game lose fragments of itself over time. Sometimes those fragments rooted out in new directions that were, on the whole, worthwhile. Sometimes those fragments burned up. Stay awhile and listen to another snide game critic have a go with an old favorite.
*also acknowledgement that forgotten sands (the normal one) was timed to be a movie tie-in, but isn't in the way that most movie games are. It doesn't retell the movie, or even have naming similarities, it's separate, but was, in fact, intended to be released jointly, it seems
part 1 of this series is here: • A Chaotic Prince of Pe...
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Battles of Prince of Persia footage via DeShelly, at / @deshelly_athetos
0:00 Intro
1:17 PoP 2008
13:39 Forgotten Sands (Wii)
18:41 Forgotten Sands
25:18 Everything Else
#kbash #princeofpersia #retrospective

[@DoublemanFM]

Let's not forget how PoP 08's true ending has you undo everything you've spent the entire game trying to to do and doom the world you just purified just to get your gf back despite the fact that she didn't want you to and the game ends with the Prince and Elika's immediate death

[@Arik-isharshu]

Pretty sure it doesn't end with their immediate death, both the PlayStation-exclusive DLC and the Fallen King DS game take place after the end of PoP2008 afaik But ye he does kinda undo the seal just to get his gf back doesn't he

[@ShoXwavee]

Wasn't the real ending locked behind dlc?

[@piotrtokarz4764]

The true ending was locked behind DLC only available for console players, and basically it goes like this: ahriman is in a process of escaping, prince and elika are hiding in some previously inaccesible castle, and elika says that she have to go to look for her people, then flies off the balcony leaving prince alone. For me its clear that they wanted to do sequel to that, because both endings are massive cliffhangers, but I guess It didnt sell good enough. And by the way, im still mad as fuck that I could not experience DLC myself, just because I dont own the console. Such a shitty move.

[@Arik-isharshu]

afaik the DLC was supposed to come to PC too but ppl were so pissed off at its ending on console that Ubisoft decided they're just gonna pretend it never happened source: I read it on the Internet once pls don't hit me with some leaked internal Ubisoft files from yrs later if am wrong on this ok

[@TomGeerlings]

@@piotrtokarz4764 Ahriman's prison already slowly failing is not something they added with the dlc but it is already present in the original ending. If you listen to Ahriman's creepy whispers as you go to destroy the 4 trees to resurrect Elika Ahriman says outright his prison is failing and he will be free eventually no matter what. It's just quite vague and imo they should have given more hints throughout the game. Resurrecting Elika always was the good ending as it was always obvious to me her powers and first resurrection came from Ormazd and not actually Ahriman, as Ahriman is only ever shown to corrupt throughout the game, so her being alive again means theres still hope to stop Ahriman. It is such a shame a sequel never happened 😞

[@armondo4446]

PoP2008 is such a beautiful game. Having a game in the series focused on platforming would be fine, and even in the first couple of hours I didn't mind that, it felt like great game to kick back and relax, even if the story is about stopping the apocalypse. But then those goddamn collectibles showed up and I was like "Nope! Not happening!". Seriously I'm fine with shorter game if it's focused in it's execution, but adding 5 billion of useless shiny objects to pick up everywhere is not fun or challenging. You just adding busy work. At least don't make it your whole gameplay loop.

[@BigDaddy33229]

It was 🤮🤮

[@solidskullz5736]

Rest In Peace prince. You fought well

[@reaperofthegrey7294]

I really wish Prince of person 2008 was given a sequel to improve all of the first games problems. but from how beautiful the world was, fun flow of the parkour. and especially the banter between Elika and the prince. and them getting to know one another. it's a diamond in the rough

[@DisabledMario]

I have fond memories of PoP 08. I was still lagging behind in the old gen when my friends got a new hd tv and the hot new xbox 360 with their first game being PoP 08 because they were big fans of SoT. Me being a platformer nut from the ps2 era I was absolutely enthralled by it. There was nothing else quite like it and it still holds a mysterious and fantastical part in my memory. When you're young and seeing such a massive graphical upgrade, it's like magic for the first time. I think that's why PoP08 was so unique and fresh.

[@vee-bee-a]

"Most people think time is like a river; flowing swift and sure in one direction. But I have seen the true face of time; it is an ocean in a raging storm..." (Will edit this if misquoted.)

[@MarkoDinicDinke]

That flows swift and sure. But I have seen the face of time and I can tell you, they are wrong. Time is an ocean in a storm.*

[@DesignFrameCaseStudies]

PoP games are simply fascinating. I gotta play one or two of them when I can. Also, mad respect for Bloodborne the Card Game behind you. It's a surprising amount of fun.

[@MiloKuroshiro]

I disagree with PoP 2008 being edgeless in a pursuit to be mainstream in comparison with the past trilogy. Compare with what was mainstream at both timeframes. In 2003-2005 the triple A games were the edgy teen grungy slop. Even mascot platformers went through that. PoP 2008 didn't connected to anyone for being a different artistic vision during a period where Ubisoft tried to push more conceptual and artistic looking games for a cycle. In 2008 we had MGS4, Fallout 3, GTA4, Gears of Wars. That's what Triple A looked like. PoP was a push against that general aesthetic and tone, but didn't worked.

[@ShoXwavee]

It's because the original PoP dev didn't like the edgy PoP games and wanted to go back to a more Disney like friendly game. It doesn't have to do much with not following the mainstream games

[@tripps_on_knives]

@@ShoXwavee cel shading is not disney. tell me more how much you know.

[@EvilIceCream333]

@@tripps_on_knives he means story/asthetic tone.

[@tripps_on_knives]

@@EvilIceCream333 if that is what he meant he wouldve said it.

[@EvilIceCream333]

@@tripps_on_knives thst is what he meant

[@adamyohan]

20:27 You never had to shuffle around pillars in Warrior Within at least (the one I played the most) you could input an immediate jump there too, but I'd be lying to you if I didn't say I jumped to my death multiple times trying to do that because the direction input relative to the prince never made sense at least for my 15-16 year old self. So it might as well not be there haha.

[@Sophie_the_Sapphic]

I can confirm That it was in sands of time as well. There's actually cool time saving interactions like this for most platforming action through out the trilogy. which I think is nest. In that it creates this cool learning curve where the first time through a platforming section will have you trying to figure out where to go and how to avoid traps, making it feel more like a kinda movement puzzle. But after you get used to the system and know where to go you can smoothly flow through the environment without ever having to stop. Even if yes, figuring out the direction it wanted you to push on the pillers was always a pain.

[@adamyohan]

@@Sophie_the_Sapphic agree

[@berzerkwolfgangson5209]

Im also completely surprised the POP hasnt had a modded community behind it. Even Thief has a community made game called "The Dark Mod" which puts Thief mechanics in a new engine, using player made maps. POP needs something like this, Warrior within combat in sands of time. or even just updated engine with new maps.

[@midge_gender_solek3314]

There are unfortunately no modding tools for PoP

[@hemangchauhan2864]

POP 2008 was my first HD game on our newly built PC. At the time I wasn't very good with games or timings, so this game was helluva lot accessible. I used to struggle on getting timing right for the ring-handle parts. Also the first time I saw characters with charm. Like the banter, I never experienced something like this and seeing in-game was kind of... liberating.

[@certainmisterbrick]

I remember The Fallen King. Believe it or not there was a glitch present in certain copies of the game that kept you from moving onto the final boss. Good times. 👍

[@dociletoad]

how the fuck are you creating this content so quickly? either way thank you so much! I really look forward to your releases and viewpoints on titles

[@GuardianNewtonTurner]

Something, Something, iced coffee...

[@user-nt5pl3zn4u]

There's at least three of him as you can see in this very video

[@connyslayer4661]

I definitely agree, Damn, he is pumping out and creating some great content lately regularly. I always look forward to his great releases and viewpoints on almost all types of games available.

[@usernamepassword4517]

i propose that edgy kbash shall be called "KSlash"

[@worthasandwich]

And the dooshy one can be KPrick

[@anusperfecto4786]

KGash

[@user-ey8bh8cd5r]

Before I even watch the video, I just want to say I'm glad people are still making videos on POP 2008 - its my favorite game ever, it had so much potential and I'm happy people are still talking about it in the comments.

[@RaMMy96]

This game was my childhood fam.

[@user-ey8bh8cd5r]

@@RaMMy96 All of the other PoP games are amazing too, but this one has some magic about it. Just wish they would have expanded the story a bit more with a sequel

[@slayertakim1]

PoP 08 looks like the kind of game I would love to sit down and play just for relaxation. It being tied to the prince of Persia name probably hurt it the most but man…that gameplay footage just kept my eyes glued to the screen

[@teoktb3108]

I love people here talking about their memories of PoP 2008. I played the OG trilogy and 2008, and it makes me very happy that everyone still appreciates both takes on art, music, design and platforming.

[@parsashirali8957]

Pop 08 was honestly in terms of most stuff amazing. *not you light seeds*. The effort over making sth that seemed actually persian with the old persian mythology was awesome

[@Avenger131]

I actually enjoyed PoP 08 when it came out but that might have had something to do with the fact that I saw the collectables needed to unlock something, and decided to go "nah not doing that." booted up cheat engine or something and just edited the number of light seeds I had. worked great and kept the pace mostly in tact.

[@Reldonator]

I just found your channel today and have been binging it. Great humor, analysis, thumbnails, editing, hair, and taste in games. Instant sub, keep up the good work homie.

[@Vashkey]

I just want you to know sometimes, like in this case, I do not watch these videos because I have yet to play these games myself and I wanna go in fresh. I know that might sound ridiculous in a case like this where these games are pushing 20 but I fully intend to play at least the Sands of Time. I just wanted say because I really enjoy your videos and it's a bummer when I can't watch some of them here and there. Been more frequently the case across KZbin as I've been further back in the backlog and putting off new releases. I only just played through the FF7 remake last month and I'm still eying The Last of Us 2 and Control, for example

[@temetyly]

Lol I'm the same and always feel a little bad skipping - buuut, I also see it as extra endgame content to come back and watch when I'm done, same with movie reviews and playthroughs from people I enjoy.

[@marcomarcon5936]

Rogue Galaxy when K'bash the PEOPLE are waiting jk you do you man , great content as always

[@temetyly]

For me, 08's point was traversing the beautiful land, seeing the sights - I loved the art style, so I was okay with the penalty being slight inconvenience, since challenge wasn't the point for me. So at the time I thought it was a cool temporary departure from the series' typical tone, even though I enjoyed that before to. I thought it was cool they decided to randomly take such a chance and take such a wild departure from the previous entries. I liked the ending to😅(I never played the dlc)

[@IHeliosI]

Godamnit I LOVE it when you put in F-Zero music randomly in your videos. Wish you'd do that series too.

[@zekecontreras77]

Another wonderful video from a great hard working creator thank you

[@Harbinger835]

PoP 08 was like a dream, I loved it

[@adamborgia3880]

I LOVED this game. I hate collectibles in most games, but here I enjoyed it because it was almost a puzzle in itself figuring out how to get some of them. And the fluidity of swinging/running/jumping to reach all those was SO fun to watch play out. This is one game that really opened me up to art and graphics playing a bigger role in games. It’s still on my favorites list, whereas I could never get into any of the other PoP games, which frustrates me too much at the time.

[@asakurawhyte4320]

Wii version of Forgotten Sands is a personal favourite

[@heavenly2k]

In a lot of KZbin video comments, you see people reference jokes said in the video. With KBash content, there's so much funny funny joke joke that I don't even know what to say. Your editing and writing is always great. You are severely underrated but I know that won't be forever. Keep up the good work you goddamn champion

[@pyromaniacforhire]

The Forgotten Sands (360/PS3) had a glitch that made it so that a certain pillar wouldn't appear that would let you progress at a point 75% through the game, so you had to delete your entire playthrough and hope that it Would appear the next time.

[@blueroman460]

Great vid kbash!

[@maximedelice6691]

Dude, you deserve more subscribers.

[@BishtrainerTai16]

There was a Wii game where the Prince had to kiss statues of ladies to get a powerup? I was a huge fangirl of PoP at the time and I woulda totally loved that. Good to know that the remake of SoT is still happening.

[@CassiDS]

17:09 "you gotta aim at the ground in front of an enemy to knock them up" (Cyberpunk 2077 music playing)

[@omidmidro]

both of your prince of persia videos are great, please one day make a video about the first classic trilogy, I mean the 2D ones❤️❤️

[@pistaalkohol]

Elika saving the Prince is like a checkpoint without loading screen

[@pigmejov]

I love PoP'08. I beat it for like a 5th time recently. Love to go back to this game every now and then.

[@MasterChibi]

I was so in love with the characters of PoP 08 but knowing I couldn't die and having it be 'open' but honestly still linear via the necessity to collect everything just put a giant damper on playing.

[@Wombola]

Noooo dark and new kbash! I cry

[@victorkain3500]

I've been a fan of PoP since '95 (snes) and I really liked '08, and forgotten sands is one of my favorites. Even over the sands trilogy.

[@AmonsRealm]

Your videos have been so addicting. I’ve been watching you since the beginning you have been putting in alot of work. Keep doing what your doing you’ve been improving with each video!

[@piotrtokarz4764]

My first PoP was SoT but one of my all time fav games is 08 PoP. I remember getting it as an 8 or 9 year old completing all of this and falling in love with the style, the movement, all of that. Recently after 14 YEARS ( I CANT BELIVE HOW OLD THIS GAME IS) I decided to replay it, and see If it still holds up, and is as good as I remember, and I got to say It is. I still love the graphics, the art, the music is fenomenal, and combat is great . Im not afraid to say it, I think the combat is really really nice. If you know how to chaim the attacs, you can perform really wonderfully looking aerial combos that never get old for me. Platforming is pretty easy, but so fluid and nice feeling. Im not saying this game is perfect because it has its flaws for sure. Bosses were unique, and I really like the design, but yeah fighting them over and over and over again can get a bit repetetive and boring. I didn't hate the collectibles, but I see a lot of people telling that they couldn;t be bothered collecting seeds, and never finishing the game, combat with normal enemies is pretty ,, meh" because u can one kit KO them when close to the ledge, mixing of vocals is so horribly bad and inconsistant I'm shocked you havent spoke a word about it. Some dialogs sound normal, they are mixed good as can be expected from a product made by a multi-milion dollars company, but some of them are so quiet, you wouldn't be able to hear what they're saying if subtitles weren't there. And the ending, probably the worst thing about the game. If you are PC player like me, you could not get true ( still bad and ending with an cliffhanger) ending. In the non dlc ending it made me confused as hell why did I just UNDO all my progress. The funny thing is, I discovered DLC ending 14 years after completing the game. I really dont know why pc could not get the dlc. The true ending was clearly made in a way so they can make a sequel because nothing is answered, elika and prince split apart and ariman is free. Im a huge fan of 08 PoP, and Im still waiting for sequel that will probably never arrive, but remake/remaster of SoT gives me a little bit of hope that someone will notice 08 game. Maybe if they didn't call it Prince of Persia, and just made completly new franchise out of it, it would succeed. Im really surprised how many people like 08 PoP, and how much they enjoied it long time ago. If you have never played 08 Pop I strongly advice doing so. Forget about Prince of Persia name, all the reviews and just go for it, the style and feel of this game is amazing and didnt aged a bit since 2008.

[@MARKNIGHTMAR3]

Pop 2008 was actually the first pop game I ever played and I enjoyed it not knowing too much about the history of the game since before this all I played were jrpgs

[@chitototoy176]

JEEZUS!! your hair looks amazingly smooth and silky. @_@ can't stop looking.....

[@Scorpio4real]

Love PoP 2008. The Parkour was smooth and fun, cell shading was cool and the dark ending caught me off guard. Still think of it as an underrated gem.

[@GibbySoapBox]

Any chance with The Lost Crown video?

[@CRAZEH247]

20:26 I'm 100% sure you've been able to do this since SOT. You just press the direction you want to jump off a pole and press jump and the prince will do it without having to turn 90 degrees individually.

[@checkouttheplaylists5316]

i only own pop 08 i love playing it every few years i start a new game and just turn off my thinking and enjoy it

[@silverballs7]

I loved all the prince of Persia games. We need a new one now

[@thomasgarcia2991]

29:17 This just knocked "Hatsune Miku's Crackhouse" out of the number one spot on my list of favorite usernames that appear at the end of KBash videos.

[@ErikAndersonFrost]

This is the content I come to KZbin for.

[@Misch13f]

PoP 08 is divisive for me. It's a return to form for the old 2d games with one on one combat, platforming first. But you can't die which ruins a lot of the tones, but it keeps the mysterious swashbuckling feel of that 2d game and the colorful nature it wanted to have. But Two Thrones exists and it was genuinely so good that going back to that style just felt strange. idk, I still have my PS3 copy and a GOG copy so I revisit it every once in a while.

[@lapaba1236]

“Into the grinder” will now be added to my quote book

[@rumotu]

I remember enjoying playing prince 08 when it released. Only problem I had with the game was ending. So I never replayed it in these 14 years.

[@Redbeak94]

Loved PoP 08 to death, was my first game on the ps3 coming from the ps2. Gorgeous.

[@RoseOfSharyn18]

Loved POP 08.

[@Wombola]

i like new kbash!

[@deadscream90]

Your hair is poppin almost like the princes

[@JcgLounge]

Forgotten Sands is actually the first, and as of right now, ONLY Prince of Persia game I’ve ever played. It’s good.

[@DraigoDragon]

0:34 I think I had reached close to the end of this game... But then I either fell out of the map or got out-of-bounds. All I know was that I just didn't want to play anymore and just quit.

[@FictionOnlyReader]

I don't think I have heard anyone speak better than Bash. Don't know if it is just me or for anyone else, but... Bash just has some quality that doesn't allow me to listen to him in the background, I'm compelled(positively) to pay my full attention to get the most of his video.

[@GloriousGrunt]

I love the Pop trilogy from the ps2 era but I really do have a soft spot for the 2008 PoP as well, it was different but had a nice self-contained story and it was clear there was a lot of effort put into the art and style of the game.

[@erfan1635]

This is one of the best game in my whole life.I played this when i was kid.i have saw it on my friends pc that prince runs on wall and i were overhyped. In the end of the story you will understand the meaning of real love.

[@Fiery891]

My first Prince of Persia game was the DOS one. God I'm old...

[@noobieartist3801]

No matter wht u say it wont change the fact i played this game n i enjoyed it i was 14 yrs old when i played this so seeing this beautiful world was enough for me

[@eshankpanchal4121]

lovely!

[@mrpokebip]

That thumbnail is incredible

[@onionmonk5734]

just want to let everyone know that the TMNT 360 movie tie in game is a hidden PoP

[@McGayveR80]

PoP 2008 has the same problem with the Assasin's Creed 1,having compulsory collectibles/mini games in order to lenghten the game time... Look at the Assassin's Creed 2 solving that problem... On to the combat mechanics, you have to compare it to the 1st PoP game that came out in the 90's. Especially 6th level boss, 8th level first enemy(I guess it was the 8th level) and the Vizier combat at the end of the 12th level. I loved the combat mechanics, since it gave that 1on1 sword clash back and forth nostalgia.

[@klukina9892]

I was so disapointed back when this PoP got announced, because i played the hell outta or two thrones, warrior within and Sands of time.

[@JustABegginer]

Gaming industry was changing big time by the time the forgotten sands came out and maybe that's why the whole franchise just didn't get enough attention. Man 2008 title is such a different and beautiful game in the series. Now I am once again so thirsty for these 10-12 hours campaigns

[@MegaMar14]

You could immediately jump from pillars in the old games, works the same way too.

[@stizanley3987]

13:22 The cleanest spin

[@TheSpaceBrosShow]

Anyone know where the ending theme is from?

[@user-ss6co6vj5f]

You forget to mention - for PoP 2008 there was a console-locked/exclusive region-locked (yes, even that) Real Ending DLC (Just like in "Asura Wrath" game), and also PoP: The Fallen King for Nintendo DS (Yes, it is canonical game. Game is canon for PoP 2008, and takes place - AFTER true ending DLC of PoP 2008).

[@snarffles5687]

Forgotten sands is still the game game I ever stumbled upon. Still awesome

[@ZappBranniglenn]

I wasn't big on PoP 2008. The Light Seed collection can only be started once you've "cleared" an area. So it's pretty shameless as far as padding the playtime. The four bonus powers are also just functional warp points except for 1 that actually enhances your basic platforming ability. I also remember being annoyed at the game's True Ending DLC that proposes a happier conclusion to the one you normally get. Combat is indeed pretty dull, but it's thankfully infrequent. My only gripe being the over-reliance on QTEs. PoP 2008 did indeed release in the year 2008, you see.

[@alvarox951]

Hope the new game helps the IP to return to life

[@TaylorWilmes]

Prince of Persia forgotten sands is actually a prequel to Prince of Persia warrior within.

[@PanthalassaRo]

Never knew these games even existedz I thought the franchise ended with the two thrones.

[@Kooljupiter]

So the "wall screamer" is the flying swallow of Forgotten Sands (Wii)!?

[@SyamDaRos-EndoManno]

20:26 this thing can also be done in the Trilogy. At least, on the console versions

[@my2randomcents]

Ironically the psp ver. Of forgotten sands is the absolute best version of that game putting it's strength in simplicity

[@berzerkwolfgangson5209]

I wonder why people say the trilogy platforming isn't as smooth as the later entries. They always use the example of the pillar jump... yet the trilogy has the same mechanic. You just have to hold the direction you want to jump and press jump. This has made pillar jumps become super smooth.

[@qu1v3r]

I love this series. I hope to god the SoT Remake comes out soon.

[@megachaosblast126]

2:42 4 HOURS?!?

[@gammagantle]

I would like to know your opinions on the SW force unleashed games

[@TheCreapler]

the moment i realized i could not die i never played it again.

[@toad1863]

You could always jump in any direction from a pillar without shuffling. Just press the direction you want to jump and jump.

[@himenomagnum248]

4:10 the best part of the entire Pop-series

[@mikerice868]

Y'all, I really liked PoP 08, it's also one of the two PoP games I've played alongside The Forgotten Sands. I thought they were fun

[@azzuss99]

Wait a second... THE TITLE WAS DIFFERENT!

[@SONKABABY]

I used to hate on PoP08, it wasn't my beloved sand-trilogy, and I can't get my head around why we needed a game with the title that isn't related to the main story at all. Now I playing trough them again after years, and the Forgotten sands for the first time. I can say with confidence, after playing that shit of a game, I no longer hate Pop08. Yes, it isn't a sand trilogy game, yes, I still don't understand, why they didn't tie it to the original Prince, there was ways to do that and make it canon, the sands were destroyed, but it isn't meant that the prince can't go on other magical journies. But the game is a marvelous one in it's own, if I don't think of it as a Prince of Persia game, I can see why people loved it and maybe I start to love it too.

[@cliftonsargent1572]

Thank you kbash for another video!! Can anyone help me out with signing up for the patreon? I try to join top tier and it tells me that I have already signed up for a patreon (this is true I’m signed up for smallbeans patreon) are we only allowed to sign up for 1? Any help would be appreciated

[@woolyyyyyyy]

I actually really liked the weird reboot personally. Loved the oh trilogy too, different vibes

[@ooglykraken3395]

any chance you'd look at the original PoP games or even just the first?

[@AMZT14]

he already has

[@Mintcar923]

I’m thinking the next PoP opens with Prince awakening from his years long slumber hahaha Funny in that I just finished the mainline Forgotten Sands only last week.. I think this character has a great deal of depth.. That said he may be my favorite..

[@AL-nv4gk]

Forgot how good looking these game were for the time amazing visually.

[@morriganrenfield8240]

I hope that a not ubisoft developer one day tries to make a game that plays like the trilogy, and looks gorgeous like 08

[@Korosivv]

I loved the PoP DS game The Fallen King.