Pro Choice College Student Talks To Abolitionist

Thanks to this woman for taking the time to sit down and talk with me!
Keywords: Pro Choice, Pro Life, Abolitionist, Conversation, College Campus, Christianity, Apologetics.
Filmed February 26, 2024.

[@TriScaleCreations]

I very much appreciate that there are still people who are respectful and open to listening to reason.

[@jamesosa3482]

This kid is wise beyond his years

[@MarshallllllllWalk3r]

Hahahaha

[@danc.9554]

Good talk! Way to go, Hayden! Shout out to the girl. She asked great questions and seemed very genuine.

[@Apha-hl2km]

The girl was so sweet and respectful hayden you definitely planted a seed.

[@scottmatznick3140]

Hopefully she doesn't abort that seed

[@adrianharry5336]

Spotted that within 30 seconds. She was a breath of fresh air

[@joey19931226]

That comes later hehehe

[@mofirminhosadiosalahrobert4904]

i dont think she really took in much of what he said

[@primelason]

She was respectful and cordial but she was not open or very desiring of an outside opinion. She understands very strongly what would happen if she strayed away from the group think on this one. This guys is too logical and knowledgeable for her to have been hungry for an answer to this HUGE topic and choose to end the conversation at the point she did.

[@nathanriggs1125]

This is one of the best conversations I’ve seen on this topic. Respectful dialogue. Keep doing you man.

[@jimdefazio8649]

I had a professor at Moody Bible Institute who was told their unborn child was going to have a major birth defect and was encouraged to abort it. They said absolutely not and the child came out perfectly healthy with no defects.

[@ttaylor758]

Just two nice young people talking it out. Refreshing.

[@kbc1883]

So glad to see a college student willing to be in a thoughtful, respectful conversation. So many of the students who come by are so disrespectful and treat Hayden in such a vile way. They would probably say they are against bullying and yet they are the worst kind of bullies trying to shut down any perspective that is different than their own by being condescending, rude, and dismissive. This woman, on the other hand, represents how mature students act.

[@supercheezies]

Hayden! I say this with so much love for you and your mission, please try to SLOW DOWN, I know how it is to have SOmuch to say and feel like you don’t have enough time, but try to slow your speaking a bit ❤️💙❤️💙💜❤️💙💜 what you’re saying is SO SO SO IMPORTANT 🙌🏼🙌🏼🙌🏼🎉🎉🎉🎊🎊🎊💪💪💪 THANK YOU JESUS FOR REAL AND TRUE MEN PROCLAIMING THE TRUTH WITH BOLDNESS💥💥💥🔥🔥🔥

[@happy79000]

He does sound like a Christian version of Ben Shapiro. Lol

[@HoustonRebel]

At least he doesn't talk as fast as Ben Shapiro. Shapiro is like a 33rpm vinyl album played on 78rpm speed.

[@jowr2000]

​@@happy79000Yes! Actually when he really gets going i think he speaks faster than ben shapiro. Didn't think that was possible. Wish he'd slow down.

[@TheNutmegStitcher]

This was a productive conversation. My sister-in-law and her husband had to wait 12 years before they were able to adopt. 6 times mothers changed their minds. Heartbreaking for them, but also understandable for the mothers. They were eventually able to adopt my niece and nephew. Point is, there are far more families seeking to adopt than there are babies because moms keep aborting their children rather than giving them to families seeking to adopt.

[@nancya7886]

Please keep doing this, young man!!!! It may start a movement on other campuses!!!!!!! You do a great job!

[@RaimoTamm]

Good to see a healthy conversation. Having an open mind and awareness to see the importants of learning from different stands and acknowledging there are better way of approaching things is a virtue. Good for her.

[@nickkellogg7362]

Praying for you brother

[@ora_et_labora1095]

Two seconds in and I can already see this lady had two sound parents growing up.

[@marshallvannice]

Lol.

[@Moth-Mellow]

Wow a nice respectful conversation how crazy

[@lesliesylvan]

Kudos to this young lady's parents . . . (even though she's not a practicig Christian)

[@wardance9958]

Nice, smart young lady. It's nice to see someone that is pro-choice be willing and able to have a nice, civil conversation. I hope she changes her views but wtg young lady.

[@MrsNewfiefan]

Great conversation. And refreshing to see a respectful and curious opponent. I pray a seed has been planted.

[@MixGodMusic]

He rocked her world. That girl is pro life now lol

[@nanzzwhatever9610]

I'm so happy to see your subscribers go up everyday , more people needa hear what you have to say.

[@Stath.]

What you're saying my guy is part of the old testament. An eye for an eye. That's not true in the new testament. Death penalty is not morally right if we take in consideration the moralities of Christianity.

[@davidmcauliffe5673]

Lovely girl.

[@FaisonCochrane-pu4eu]

Amazing bravery. Real talk. U inspire me to not be silent

[@amt5911]

I kind of wish Hayden would show that non-graphic cartoon clip that Live Action shows pro-abortion people. It's amazing how pro-abortionists often don't even know what abortion is. When they are shown (even in non-graphic terms) they often recoil and say, "nope...I'm not for that". The Live Action video of this happening is on YT called "Watch their minds change on abortion".

[@fishtropiccanada4747]

You can tell when somebody has a level head … regardless type 2 being …

[@FaisonCochrane-pu4eu]

U are a pro! I am learning a lot from you brother. Gods work indeed

[@Brian-wx7nx]

Wonderful talk, God bless this woman!

[@The_Mole_47]

Great work Hayden...

[@briancasey4917]

Should give her the Gospel, then the issue becomes personal.

[@bonniesgarden7869]

You're doing such a great job. I'm an abolitionist and I want to do your style of debate down here in FL. Where did you get your statistics on Plan B?

[@elijahmthompson2313]

You did such a good job in this conversation man.

[@AnInstrumentOfGod]

Seems like you know him personally?

[@ryanawilson8549]

No law prevents crime, but it does provide revenue and job security

[@OctagonalSquare]

You don’t think any law ever prevents any action (not crime, because the lack of the law means it’s not a crime)? People don’t drive slower because speed limits exist? There’s no one who would steal if it was legal?

[@scottmatznick3140]

​@@OctagonalSquarethe law doesn't intend to prevent it from happening. It is intended to profit from people stepping outside boundaries.

[@relynncapra2288]

Maybe there is profit, but ultimately the law is a teacher. If something is legal a lot of people think it's okay. Slavery for example...

[@user-pt1ky6db9y]

​@@scottmatznick3140 Wow. Legitimately brain dead take. You don't think people would perform more ills if it were legal?

[@33greenleaf]

Haha! Libertarians say the craziest things 🤪

[@davidoneill1633]

I’m in love with her 😍

[@miguelfernandes2760]

She knows the truth. I was where is she is but got to a point i couldnt be like that anymore. Im and agnostic but i can recognize the power and reason this guy and cristians have. Relativism is a fkn sin.

[@jeanclaudevandam4974]

Just a suggestion when someone walks by quick and agrees with your cause at least acknowledge them. Lol. Keep doing what your doing.

[@csanadalapi5016]

I have probably watched all your videos, and I only have one objection. Please take off your gloves when you shake someone's hands. Otherwise 10/10 content, love it.

[@boltrooktwo]

When you have a child through the act that forms offspring you are ethically responsible for your offspring. Avoiding your ethical responsibilities has consequences in society.

[@sandsmarc]

There are no ethical responsibilities to a fetus. Which is a precursor and is not a person. Fetuses are ethically inert.

[@boltrooktwo]

@@sandsmarc What you say isn’t in any document of law or social contract, you made up those ethics and people around you haven’t agreed to them.

[@sandsmarc]

@@boltrooktwoWhat are you talking about? Abortion is allowed in varying measures in nearly every country in the Western world, and most of the Eastern world as well. That is a de facto illustration of the fact that fetuses are not regarded as human persons, have no legal rights, and are treated as ethically inert. Open your eyes. See reality and existence as they actually are.

[@sandsmarc]

@@boltrooktwoIt’s de facto intrinsic to the fact that abortion is legally allowed in most countries on the planet Earth. Almost every legal system in existence fails to treat a fetus as a person.

[@boltrooktwo]

@@sandsmarc That’s ad hoc, most of the world population does not agree. Fetus is a stage of human development, it’s human life that is terminated with forethought and intention.

[@DJC3PO]

She didn't come for a debate. She came for the proselytism.

[@33greenleaf]

That’s because she has never held any strong convictions about this topic.

[@livelaughlove143jmt]

Saying that the solution for someone who it is dangerous for them to be pregnant is to have a C-Section is not always the case, there are women where it’s dangerous to carry

[@stevenwallace5456]

Any abolitionist in Western Wisconsin?

[@ckmfunk]

If God knows what you're going to do tomorrow then you have no free will.

[@MPFXT]

It's hard to believe a girl like this would be willing to kill her baby or willing for other mothers to kill her children. I hope she re-thinks her position.

[@paraax]

Need to address the more difficult case of ectopic pregnancy when asked about difficult pregnancy situations. She will hear it from the other side, and it will be used to justify all abortions just because there are narrow legitimate cases where the pregnancy must be ended lest both the woman and child die.

[@pressthepress]

why is the argument that government outlaws murder not sufficient enough to be considered human standard separated from religion. especially in american where we have appointed officials we would vote them out if we wanted murder to be legal and vote someone who supports evil behavior

[@comradecat3678]

Strictly from a pragmatist point of view I would just let the plan B pills stay for now we should focus on the main issue. Were dealing with the most crazed/unhinged leftist to ever exsist

[@richardhill895]

👍 👍

[@kaseyrae3486]

No such thing as a safe abortion.

[@clurkroberts2650]

The problem with “Pro Choice”, is that there really is no real fair choice. Abortion is the quickest, cheapest, easiest answer for a woman who ibecomes pregnant.. a Full term pregnancy is life changing, expensive, difficult, and requires enormous commitment. Most people select the easy solution… so there really is no honest fair choice provided for the fetus, only the easiest Choice.

[@sandsmarc]

And we have FREEDOM to make the easier choice. Without the input of irrational mystical religious zealots.

[@lefo8193]

Isn't an innocent life worth more protecting than money and time?

[@hootieman1991]

Where in the Bible does it impose the death penalty for all rapists?

[@TheKnottedBranch]

um..um...um....um....um.....um.....um

[@jdouglas9257]

"I want that back alley fatality rate to be 100%" "I'm pro death penalty "..... "we need to protect all human beings because their all valuable " lol what a joker

[@thucydides7849]

Does one need permission from the school to set up a discussion like this?

[@kaleybrooke3974]

I think so

[@bobsmith3267]

Hayden, when debating with people who aren't religious, I strongly recommend using secular arguments, because to them, your religious beliefs mean nothing. You referencing what God says in the Bible means nothing to them. Regarding the death penalty, many women are brainwashed by the medical institutions and education institutions into thinking that the baby is not actually human life. Thus, you can't say all abortions are premeditated because some women genuinely didn't know. Calling for the death penalty in these cases is unjust. Criminal status SHOULD apply to the doctors who perform these abortions.

[@TyMan922]

He didn't remember what he said because the Holy Spirit is speaking through him fluently. I know from experience. You sometimes don't even remember what you said bc it was the Holy Spirit actually speaking.

[@TheNimbuscloud7]

I agree with a lot of what you say but you support the death penalty in all cases. I would think that in some cases it would apply but also a lot of people get saved in prison. I don’t think Jesus preached an eye for an eye. Actually quite the opposite.

[@MrChoco409]

You do great work, but like others have said, SLOW DOWN BRO. I was infinitely frustrated when you couldnt tell she was confused about the term “abortifacient” because youre going a million miles a minute.

[@A3A3adamsan]

It's strange, that you support the death penalty, when Jesus stopped an execution: "let him who is without sin cast the first stone".

[@HISVOICE4LIFE]

She is very cute

[@Dhorpatan]

Lord knows that is the most important thing for humans. Appearance. Well maybe money beats it.

[@maya_gabriella]

I condemn you 👏👏🙌🙌 EDIT: I MEANT COMMEND

[@ShyanneClark]

idk if you’re being sarcastic or not but i don’t think condemn is the word you’re looking for😭

[@marthahoward8254]

Oops, you got your letters mixed up. The word is commend, not condemn.

[@rockweirdo8147]

This is kinda of a funny comment if it was intentional. I CONDEMN YOU 😘😘🥰🥰🥰🥰

[@maya_gabriella]

@@rockweirdo8147 I meant commend bruh, I’m not for murdering babies 😭😭😂

[@maya_gabriella]

@@ShyanneClark HAHAHAA YES😭😭

[@andrewlaitres9080]

Pepple.are afraid to speak their mind.

[@ddhello]

Don't slow down zoomer, keep zooming

[@phlips49]

It’s not possible to be educated and pro death penalty at the same time

[@smexijebus]

I'm someone who was raised without religion, grew up very anti-theist (even considering myself a satanist at one point) and had always considered the argument that "there is no morality without god" to be ridiculous and absurd on its face. As I've grown, matured, and learned more about the world, however, I've come to the conclusion that you're actually right. Morality without the authority of God is merely an idea by man, and thus ultimately fallible and violable. After all, why would another person's moral ideas supersede my own ideas of morality? And we end up with ideologies like utilitarianism which is more or just mob-rule. Every person who isn't a criminal or sociopath in the west and claims they don't believe in God or Christ still act as though they do; they act out Christian morality because that's the foundations upon which our nations were founded and raised. They simply do their best to create explanations and justifications which don't include religion. Which is possible, we can have moral codes that don't reference religion whatsoever. The issue is there's absolutely no reason why one code is better than another, and there's absolutely no reason to avoid breaking them beyond legal punishment or social ostracism. Worse still, both those punishments can be applied by the state to compel people to act against their own morals, like in Germany, Russia, or China. I used to scoff a bit at the "how many lives have been taken by atheism" but there really is an argument to be made that the pride and arrogance of those who believed they could create superior morals than God directly led to the atrocities that happened. Christianity, whether you believe it or not, provides a hard line in the sand that is not to be crossed, and directs all people, no matter how big or small, to identify and fight against evil wherever they see it. Had those nations and leaders not believed themselves above the Christian moral code, those atrocities would not have occurred as they did.

[@sandsmarc]

Morality is an invention of man. It is subjective. And the subject is human well-being. You attributing morality to God is intrinsically irrational because we have no evidence that any God exists. So you’re simply displacing the subjectivity to a made up deity. Irrational. Think about it.

[@peakedmalefeminist9782]

Hey brother, here is how you can show atheists that they are religious. Take them to Isaiah 44. There is no such than as a non-religious person. Love you brother! 🙏

[@OctagonalSquare]

As a Christian, this is dumb. Pointing to a verse as evidence when someone doesn’t believe the Bible isn’t proof of anything

[@peakedmalefeminist9782]

@@OctagonalSquare as a Christian the Bible proves everything, and if you aren’t sharing scripture with unbelievers you are not doing what you are commanded.

[@scottmatznick3140]

​@@peakedmalefeminist9782 get off it, dude. People like you scare others away from Christianity by doing stuff like that. Live the word and lead by example. Words don't matter.

[@sandsmarc]

I think abolitionism is a fringe offshoot of the extreme religious right. I am glad we live in a secular country where this evil world view is marginalized and considered a perverse and passing curiosity. Let it always be treated that way.

[@45tone]

I’m confused on which world view you are referring to as evil.

[@cassiebennet4262]

So were slavery abolitionists.

[@sandsmarc]

@@45toneThe world view where one group of people chooses their favorite God, tells all the other inhabitants of Earth that their God is false, and proceeds to mandate how all others must live. That evil world view.

[@sandsmarc]

@@cassiebennet4262Not applicable. Slaves were human persons being abused by other human persons. That’s what morality is invented for. To handle that. A fetus is not a person and ethics and morals don’t apply until we determine that personhood is achieved.

[@cassiebennet4262]

@@sandsmarc Human beings are alive at the moment of conception. I'm done talking to science deniers who failed basic biology.

[@MolecularPhylo]

3:48 A body without conscious life is a mere object, such as an embryo, rather than a subject (or person), which is what you and I are. A mere body with multicellular and unicellular life is not a thing that you and I are, and a first trimester abortion does not kill a human person. Murder is the unjustified cutting short of the lifespan of a real (meaning existing somewhere in space-time) consciously living human (so, person), and it is intrinsically immoral because it deprives that real person of future conscious existence and thwarts their conscious desires for their life. First trimester abortions do neither, as they only prevent an imaginary person from being real; that is to say, they simply prevent one's imagination of a person in one's brain from corresponding to an actual person in space-time. That cannot be intrinsically immoral, just as preventing sperm and egg from forming a zygote cannot be intrinsically immoral.

[@Sher7061]

Do you think there is a magical moment that occurs after the third trimester ? When is this moment when this unborn human becomes a person ? All humans develop in stages, so you believe that the first stage is meaningless ? Not worth protection ? A person in a coma does not have consciousness, are they not a person now ?

[@OctagonalSquare]

If the person is imaginary, no action is needed to end their life. You cannot claim they are imaginary when having to physically remove them. Nothing you said has biological fact behind it. There is no magic moment that turns an “imaginary” person into a real person. They don’t suddenly become real in the second trimester. If they do, give evidence for it. With a continuous and ongoing developmental process, there aren’t distinct points where you can say “this is the point of personhood”. The entire time, the DNA is distinct and human, and if unbothered it will continue to be exactly the same genetic code, just with more cells.

[@MolecularPhylo]

​@@Sher7061 No, a magical moment does not occur at any point in gestation. As Hayden cites in multiple video, however, at around 20 to 24 weeks, conscious life typically arises from then sufficiently connected and electrochemically communicating neuronal circuitry in the brain. Yes, all human bodies develop in stages. And a consciously living human body is literally what you and I are. Prior to that it is not 'your' body, because there is no you to have a body; it's a body without a person that it's part of. It's still not part of the mother's body (again, it's not part of any person's body yet), but it is certainly the property of the mother until conscious life arises and it becomes a person in-and-of itself. As for a body in a coma (such as medically induced one, with is what going under general anesthesia is), since it's not brain death, that means the unconsciousness is only temporary (if not, then it is brain death). That body only temporarily lacks the necessary condition for being a person, and ending it's multicellular and unicellular life would thus necessarily cut short the lifespan of that real person who's body it was and will again be. That still fits the definition of murder I previously gave, as that real person is deprived of future conscious experience. The fact that this real person you are killing doesn't currently exist in the region of spacetime that you initiate the causal chain in that kills them is irrelevant, as it results in all the deprivation that makes it immoral. If you disagree with this, then you would have to say that while planting a landmine to blow up in 2 minutes from now to intentionally kill a real person that exists now is murder and is intrinsically immoral, instead planting a landmine to blow up in 200 years from now to intentionally kill a real person that doesn't exist now (and has never yet existed) is not murder and is not intrinsically immoral. Obviously that's incorrect. The reality is that it is irrelevant when and where in space-time you initiate a casual chain that directly cuts short a human's conscious lifespan; it's intrinsically immoral murder regardless. Just don't conflate that with preventing a conscious human from ever existing, and thus from ever being real, which I already explained how and why that isn't murder and cannot be intrinsically immoral. And that's all a first (and most second) trimester abortion does.

[@Sher7061]

@@MolecularPhylo I do not agree that consciousness is what makes a human worthy of protection from murder. This human in the womb will in fact have consciousness in a specific short period of time, will have a brain, and to say that before that time it is not the same being makes no sense. To say that I was not me until I developed enough brain activity makes no sense. It was till my body, my cells, my DNA. It existed , and it was living, it was merely in a state of pre brain cells in development.My same being that did not have a brain yet, actually developed my brain all within it's own ability to do so. You think that that tiny being that has the ability to create a brain, thus consciousness is not valuable and worthy of protection ? Adult humans do not have the power to create a brain...In some ways the zygote is more powerful than a formed human. You are denying a group of humans in a developmental stage of life the right to life. Question : Do you think humans have a soul ?

[@MolecularPhylo]

​@@Sher7061 The only thing that justifies forcing a person not to destroy and remove something from their own body (especially if it grew from their body) is if that thing is not a mere object but a 'you' or an 'I'; a consciously living human. An embryo is not a 'you' or an 'I' (a person), thus it's massive violation of that person's rights to force them not to destroy or remove it from their own body. When you wrote "to say that before that time [which is has consciousness] it is not the same being makes no sense" is itself nonsense hiding behind the term 'being'. The body is the same body that is (or that 'be', if you will), but the consciousness that you are only begins to exist around 20 weeks. It's the same body, but you and I are not mere bodies; we are consciousnesses that HAVE bodies. If no consciousness ever exists, then there is no 'you' or 'I' that ever exist to have that body as our body. I don't believe it's possible for consciousness to exist without a brain that IS conscious, but if it was and if I magically made your body disappear but your consciousness remain intact, then you would think "oh, I don't have a body anymore". Likewise, if I swapped your brain with someone else's, you would think "oh, I have a new body". We all implicitly know that fundamentally we ARE consciousnesses and that our body is only OURS and part of us insofar as it's directly associated with us. Your body without consciousness isn't you; it's just your former body. If I removed your cerebral cortex and destroyed it, yet kept your body alive on life support, I would have murdered you, yet your body would still be kept multicellularly and unicellularly alive; it would be a mere body without an owner. An embryo that is prevented from ever being the body of a human person is not anyone's body, as there is no person in all of space-time for which it's ever a pert of. Of course it makes no sense to say that you were ever not you; nor have I said that. A conscious entity is what you are, thus if the body that's currently yours never developed the conscious life you you currently are, then that would just mean there never would be a you at all (any where or when in space-time). But since you, the conscious entity, did come into existence after around 20 weeks gestation, there is a real you that I'm talking to, and the body you're using to type to me is yours and is part of you. When you say I'm "denying a group of humans in a developmental stage of life the right to life" that's incorrect. As I said, a right is a commitment to defend intrinsic moral value, which mere objects, like embryos, cannot have. Only a 'you' or 'I', a consciously living entity, can have rights, and the human right to life is a right to the conscious life that you and I necessarily are. As for your question about a "soul", people mean different things by that word. I don't use the word, myself, but if you give me your definition I can tell you whether or not I believe such things exist.

[@INTJerk]

Don't worry, it's okay: "An abortion is a procedure to end a pregnancy. It can be done two different ways: Medication abortion, which uses medicines to end the pregnancy. It is sometimes called a "medical abortion" or "abortion with pills." Procedural abortion, a procedure to remove the pregnancy from the uterus. It is sometimes called a "surgical abortion." They definitely could have interjected the words, "healthcare", "medicine", "medical" a few more times. Maybe throw in "well-being", "safe", "morally acceptable", "fun and easy", "benign procedure", etc as well. Just try not to get too descriptive as to what's actually happening. Might make people feel a bit uncomfortable and realize what's actually happening is utterly disgusting.