Proactive looting: A SHTF Fantasy

[@scottmartin1811]

You mean to tell me I won’t find a suppressor, hand grenade, and morphine in my neighbor’s fridge…

[@ZSC001]

Nope, just a used fentynl needle, a .32 caliber revolver from 1902 with 3 rounds, and a slice of American cheese.

[@sssss8700]

Only if you don’t have boring neighbors.

[@ch3cksund3ad]

Lmfao I mean maybe after a few years and it's just a storage box

[@JTCBoss1]

No dude , check the medicine cabinet! 🔑

[@pinkeypie1966]

@@ZSC001 frfr

[@mcleod_aka_doom1961]

I'm gonna run out of cosmic brownies at some point and be forced to go out. That's just the reality of the situation

[@johndecker9983]

I resemble this statement....a lot 😢

[@tubeguy4066]

Comic brownies and galaxy gas

[@jamesborek8125]

Cosmic Brownies are truly something special. May have to start bulking up on them 🤔

[@Cynical1800]

Don’t forget your zombieland Twinkie’s

[@herrfantastisch7489]

A man of culture. Cosmic brownies truly are something out of this world

[@Osprey1994]

If anyone has played Tarkov, they should understand why a SHTF or WROL situation would be terrible. Walking through the streets of an abandoned town, you exit concealment, and someone just lays into you and kills you before you even have a chance to address them. It doesn't strike me as a good time...yes, as a game it's fun, but I would not want Tarkov to be a real life scenario.

[@seven_sixtwo]

Even down to the crackheads with barely functional rifles shooting at you while yelling in Russian. Very accurate assessment, and the thing about "there's so many places to hide, that if you checked them all, you'd be here all day and all night"

[@arielsetnomariv7675]

Welcome to Cherno, KOS!

[@PhaggyJames]

Probably the most realistic thing about tarkov.

[@TsunTzu]

Exactly...extremely likely you won't even be aware of anything being wrong before you're gone. The entire idea of this scenario is just nightmarish.

[@wishuhadmyname]

You mean that I won't respawn at my hideout and recieve my gear through the mail after a meth-head domes me with a Mosin?

[@domestosteron]

You're telling me I can't bankroll my post-apocalyptic life by running around with a backpack full of bolts and vodka looking for artifacts? Literally 1984.

[@BrassFacts]

god forbid men have fun

[@L0wSkiller]

​@@BrassFacts jokes on yall, I've got my petroleum jelly, duct tape, and cucumbers, all split/set up in a very fun historical shape so it gives the other guy who loots me a laugh.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

TBF, the closest equivalent to stalker IRL is not post apocalyptic wasteland but going to Africa or South America and doing some illegal mining.

[@slappomatthew]

The whole “I’ve got a gun I’ll take what I need” is the most cringe thing I’ve heard sadly too often.

[@thegooddoctor2009]

If things get that bad, others will have long since decided to do that to you.

[@Nylonscheme]

I got a g u n, I’m good, 320lbs w heart disease….Say hello to my drone, w/ High speed Fiber internet and radio waves being more dangerous than a gun in today’s theater.

[@jordendavid8992]

If I think I need candy I always know that I can look on the registry for nearby offender so I can tactically acquire said candy

[@BandAid350z]

Power fantasies for those that have none.

[@Lv-sl3rm]

​@@Nylonscheme This is basically the same thing as "I've got a gun I'll take what I want." if not worse..

[@Ubergamer256]

Had a store employee (former marine) tell me to my face that paying for a NV setup is stupid because when things go down he will just go “take what he needs” from people. Very quickly it dawned on me, I am the “people” he was referring to. It was a bit of a wakeup that not all the people in your tribe are going to align when things get tough.

[@robgrey6183]

@@humptydumpty762 Those are the guys who spent years in places like Iraq, kicking in doors and tagging and bagging people whose language they couldn't speak, on the orders of the Captain or Colonel. I think that is a real problem.

[@roberkraft1982]

Ironically those are the most likely to go first, he made himself clear that if things go down he will be untrustworthy. A blessing in disguise honestly

[@tscharf0]

The go to phrase is usually "failing to plan is planning to fail" but here I like the extra step of "if your plan is to improvise, you need a better plan"

[@Redneck_Heathen]

Improvising is what you do as a last-ditch effort to succeed in the absence of a plan. Planning to improvise is just a fancy way to say you didn’t plan. The logic is akin to saying “I don’t need to carry a gun to defend myself, If the need arises I can just find something around me to use as a weapon.” It goes against the most basic idea behind why we bother owning and training with these weapons in the first place. That being having the gear and skill sets you need ahead of time so you don’t have to improvise.

[@hamtyboy]

The abandoned Contact Lense Warehouse will be my first takeover. "Vision King" will be my moniker.

[@rogerwood5228]

Your stash will last twice as long if you just use one lens at a time. You can be "The One-Eyed Vision King"

[@nickolasthefrog]

@@rogerwood5228A lot of people are doing this already.

[@nightowl9519]

​@@rogerwood5228and you can wear an eye patch for +10 intimidation!

[@BrassFacts]

eyeball tactics

[@TheDoorspook11c]

You'll need henchmen lol

[@karolsmith6754]

saying you're going to go around raiding your neighbors like some kind of pirate is just an admission that you're a bad person who's only kept in check by fear of the consequences, not goodwill.

[@poolee77]

That’s most people

[@Radbrad869]

Not to mention most neighbors with stocked supplies also have weapons. The aggressor is always at a severe disadvantage to the defender in cqb

[@badart3204]

@@Radbrad869unless the defender is sleeping or doesn’t know they are about to get got. The advantage of the attacker is initiative. This is a reminder that defense doesn’t always equal a guaranteed advantage

[@korydentremont2200]

You can order tripwires that set off 12 ga blanks for like thirty bucks, I use them to help me sleep tenting in bear country

[@MrJakedog104]

Yeah, the number of people I've talked to who just say something like "Oh I'm just going to raid and take supplies from other people" is insane. Like Dog, 1 that's evil, 2 you're gonna get shot.

[@WilliamMcAdams]

Pretty much. It's wild how many "moral" people I know have this plan.

[@DTreatz]

@@WilliamMcAdams main character syndrome.

[@robgrey6183]

At the very least, don't talk about it. Be like Tuco.

[@JHe-f9t]

"I'm gonna go steal from someone who is way better prepared than I am and has clearly thought about this much longer and better than I have." Sounds to me like you're the supply delivery service.

[@paulwetzel9049]

As an ER nurse, the amount of people that would be dead without constant access to quality medical care is humbling and scary. There are a whole lot of people stocked up on thousands of dollars of ammo/guns that won’t last two weeks when the pharmacy is gone.

[@thelight3112]

The people with access to meds will be kings.

[@baneofbanes]

@@thelight3112the meds will run out eventually. But yes.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

A friend of mine worked in a hospital in cape town for a bit. The flats are a notoriously lawless place. People get stabbed, shot and lit on fire all the time. It's all fun and games until you're in the receiving end. And if you act stupid you will be on the receiving end sooner or later 100%.

[@JHe-f9t]

I'm just imagining someone who has spent 40k on a small arsenal dying to a lodged kidney stone...

[@Hoplopfheil]

You should practice your primary to secondary transitions because of that scene in Black Hawk Down where they're defending Super 6-4

[@BrassFacts]

Don't forget the secondary back to the already loaded rifle transition.

[@westraa2086]

@@BrassFactsswitching to your secondary is faster than reloading

[@chrisgoober712]

WHAT!?

[@Katana_Gryphon]

Slotting skinnies is a realistic SHTF scenario in some parts of the country, after all.

[@PineTreePal]

“Gordie is gone man. Keep swappin”

[@Martin42944]

“But brassfacts what if I store up everything only to have my neighbor loot it” And this is the reason why proficiency, preparedness, and community building is so important before shit hits the fan.

[@nightowl9519]

Your neighbor might not, but you better have a pretty daughter to marry or your peace treaty with me and the boys might fall apart... Jokes aside, early medieval Europe is a much better proxy for how the political reality post SHTF would actually look.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@Martin42944 Make your own democratic republic starter kit.

[@nightowl9519]

@@minhducnguyen9276 lol democratic republic Kings and warlords is more likely

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@nightowl9519 It's the 21st century we don't use that terms. Now It's called presidents for life. If you call your self proclaimed country people's democratic republic you are extra democratic.

[@badart3204]

@@nightowl9519eh, I would argue Warlord China of the 20th century makes more sense. The military and state governments aren’t going to just disappear. People are going to try to reunify and warlords are incapable of building fortifications significant enough to facilitate the levels decentralization seen in medieval Europe which went away when the cannon came to play

[@cagneybillingsley2165]

as a roamer who plays tarkov in real life, most abandoned locations will be completely cleared out of all useful items almost immediately by random people, urbex, campers, hikers, methheads, etc. it is very rare to find a location that is furnished with something useful. in shtf just imagine this process but with even more random people but armed with guns.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

@@cagneybillingsley2165 And that's just the case of Tarkov. In Stalkers for example, the military still has the strongest presence in the Zone. You are not gonna act like bandits around them even if they only represent a fraction of the authority that used to rule the place.

[@ToyotaTechnical]

@@minhducnguyen9276 That's why you wait until... they're not around.

[@REDI____]

that's the thing you can't, the zone itself will kill you instead of duty or military, no joke I think GAMMA is the best survival since nothing is given to you without you actually putting in the work and the risk involved. ​@@ToyotaTechnical

[@FeatheredDino]

Best thing I ever heard about SHTF situations is: "If you thought of this one grand idea on what you're gonna do, so have a few thousand other people". Thats not a perfect quote, but it's a quote from the late Paul Harrel (Rest in Peace) on his TEOTWAKI video.

[@minhducnguyen9276]

He's telling you to start your own democratic republic and make yourself president for life. Truly visionary. Why dream of becoming a lone scavenger when you can be president for life?

[@nef36]

You're telling me that "preparing for disaster", also known as "prepping", involves "preparing" to have things that would help me in a "disaster", so I won't have to run around the city breaking into random places and risking my life robbing other people to get the resources I need to be safe from other people? That's crazy. You're crazy.

[@Zel_eo]

To quote my dad (2nd Bat Ranger) "Whatever you have when you step off only gets worse. You are almost never gonna find or get better shit than you originally had if you planned correctly. And the best you brought will be much worse than you thought 2 days before." When thing are shit, you don't find diamonds. You pray you find chicken noodle soup and bottled water but come up with 2 year old spam and piss flavored sparkling water.

[@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120]

And why scavenge when you can trade? even if not goods then skills, people will always need medics or mechanics or carpenters, i just find the idea of scavenging... well a fantasy, probably spurred by our narcissistic vision of "the lone survivor" who can fight of entire groups of raiders at once with his trusty rifle that was passed down generations or some crap, when what people need is community and preparation

[@kamrudjacobson4438]

Really like your idea of working overtime for the kit now. It really helps put in perspective, "Im not willing to spend my weekend working overtime to buy this, so why would I risk the rest of my life to loot it?"

[@flopus7]

Me, placing an acog into my desk along with half a mag: L O O T

[@jay-firstofhisname]

the level 1 hideout in tarkov is great. Just a matress and a shit bucket with ambient chemlights all over the place lol

[@BrassFacts]

you mean my apartment?

[@TheBigOne0305]

@@BrassFacts Not enough cans of gas under the mattress for that 😅

[@BrassFacts]

@@TheBigOne0305 gas is way to fucking rare in tarkov, and way to much work to extract with.

[@TheBigOne0305]

@@BrassFacts But sometimes we have to sacrifice practicality for faithful recreating something. That's what LARPing is all about after all 😂

[@Struggle-Snuggle]

I find the ammo hoarding for SHTF particularly silly. I find it very unlikely I'd make it through 1k rounds of 5.56 in SHTF. I shoot way more now at the range than I ever would in a disaster. It's not like we'd be shooting for fun during the end times. The reason I hoard ammo is to make it through the next shortage without spending too much money.

[@jb7483]

I hoard to help arm others, safety in numbers and the ability to barter. I seen more people barter with lead in Bosnia than precious metals.

[@John_439]

Exactly, I left home for the first time right before covid. No actual "preps" very few guns even less useful for self defense and almost no ammo. Well covid hit and I couldn't find anything I could afford and had to basically wait till prices came down. Now I have enough guns and ammo to last through another 2020 situation and still be able to train without buying $1 per round ball 9mm, and $2 m193.

[@tubeguy4066]

Ammo will be the best currency when shtf

[@bilodeaumichael3]

I hoard purely to have it for years to come. Mainly incase I am no longer able to buy it, or perhaps my children can't either. Mainly the thoughts there being that if things go bad for a while, even only a year maybe, ammo production will go to the military and either the State or States that come through the unrest. Civilian hands will be the absolute lowest priority for ammunition production and purchasing.

[@John_439]

@@bilodeaumichael3 exactly, I know plenty of people that ran out of ammo during 2020 and either had to buy at insane prices or couldn't find any

[@nomad155]

One thing i appreciate with these videos is that its been helping slowly change the meta that I notice on gun reddit. Dont be a glorified refugee and just chill at home if need be. Anytime we seen people go outside and act vigiliant, very rarely does it turn out well.

[@MoonMoon-gu2ge]

Everyone's looting walmart, while me and the boys are driving an 18wheeler to the distribution warehouse.

[@brt570]

I just made it out of Western NC yesterday. I can’t even really explain it all, even to myself, but no matter how prepared you think you are, you aren’t. -it didn’t turn into mad max. It was the community coming together to help everyone out. When the govt didn’t show up, neighbors, churches and strangers did. We made it through 4 days of hell with each other. -AR was basically useless. Way too big, cumbersome and conspicuous when your days involve manual labor getting water and helping clear roads -a low profile holster and a Glock 48 or Sig 365 was more than enough. That’s what most of us were carrying. Shit only escalates as far as everyone wants it to, and nobody wanted it to. -water was by far the biggest problem. Collecting it, purifying it, and distributing to those who needed it -everyday, not trauma, medical was another concern. Minor cuts and scrapes were getting infected. -fuel and power were another major issue. People weren’t conservative enough with it at first, and generators and vehicles were running dry by day 3. Having a hybrid maverick was actually huge, because I could make water runs and go scout open routes without using any fuel.

[@iankrase8061]

I think there's a tendency for people to look at a basic possible problem - "the police aren't responding except for really serious stuff / very quickly / at all, and most people have no familiarity with a world where they're responsible for their own security" -- and consider the worst that could happen (total chaos, roving murderous bandits), which is reasonable to consider, but then assume that the worst case scenario not will definitely happen, but will be happening all the time. The other side of things is that, while people can be desperate, nobody actually believes that even in a massive regional disruption that order won't *ever* be restored.

[@brt570]

@@iankrase8061 that’s spot on. There was some limited gunfire most nights, but now that we’re out of it I’m 99% sure most of it was just idiots getting drunk. Still terrifying in the dark, alone, knowing no help except your neighbors is coming. But in the morning you have to wake up, your neighbors are still your neighbors. I didn’t even really want to scare them by carrying my AR to my truck, because I didn’t want to give anyone a reason to be more afraid than they already were. To @brassfacts points in other videos, most people overlook water and food preps, which are the most important, and in any real world scenario a PDW is likely the absolute most you’ll ever need

[@brt570]

@@iankrase8061 100%. There were a few nights with sporadic gunfire, and there’s no scarier feeling than sitting in the dark, alone with your family, knowing no help will come and it’s up to you. But in the morning the sun comes up, your neighbors are there, they’ll still be your neighbors after it’s over, and you realize eventually help will come. As @brassfacts and others keep saying, water, power and food were more vital than the ammo. At no point was anything more than a carry pistol and maybe, MAYBE, a PDW ever necessary.

[@operator-chan1887]

what color were those communities?

[@edgaraf9411]

​@operator-chan1887 ?? What does that have to do with anything you weirdo. Look at your pfp and make friends

[@SSweaty]

You're telling me i won't be able to raid student dorms for diamonds and money; then extract by giving money to a strange Uber?

[@BrassFacts]

well, the dorms don't even have food in them now. Just nasty microwavable burritos. source: was a dorm college student.

[@char-2The-Tsar]

​@BrassFacts now hold up don't forget about the package Ramen with the Vienna sausages.

[@SSweaty]

@BrassFacts @charlesadams7862 SHIEET THEY LIVIN LIKE SCAVS. when I was in college, we were living good with pizza rolls like a pmc should

[@SSweaty]

@BrassFacts @charlesadams7862 SHIEET THEY LIVIN LIKE SCAVS. when I was in college, we were living good with pizza rolls like a pmc should

[@turnermd1302]

You're telling me that pulling lip balm out of my prison wallet and rubbing it all over my face won't make me impervious to gunfire?

[@540isilver]

if your rushing to Walmart when the crap hits the fan you already lost.

[@whiterabit09]

What is the survival rate of a serial home invader? And what will it be without rule of law to protect you from the consequences?

[@forkthepork]

I've been proactively looting my neighbor's homes for years at this point...

[@BrassFacts]

Your mom's house doesn't count as looting. She knows, and lets you do it because she's too ashamed to tell you to leave.

[@jamesborek8125]

What if you're in some "Everyone loves Raymond" type deal where you do actually have a house.. that happens to be next to your parents?

[@fuhq5121]

If you live in the garage apartment, they not your neighbors, just your parents.

[@SM-og9pt]

Just intern under a homeless person. They show you what’s it’s like to “I’ve off of loot”. I’ve never seen a homeless person gear maxed with dual wielding deagles.

[@robgrey6183]

Homeless b*mz only survive because they are protected by the police from the rest of us. Think about it.

[@_Art.Vandelay]

I love Brass Yaps episodes

[@ThErocK425-w5i]

He should make a podcast called brass yaps

[@highdesertdrew]

In DayZ you start out on the beach with the clothes on your back, maybe a soda and a piece of fruit. You don't start out with a rifle in your hand, a full up plate carrier, and a house full of food. The issue here, is that the people who make survival games their starting frame of reference would see things that way. Once you're established going fishing while one of your buddies is on zombie watch with the MP5SD becomes the order of the day. You don't have to go looting, because things like gardening, ranching, and fishing are better uses of your time.

[@mysterioanonymous3206]

Humanity started out kinda archaic and they still ended up organising in bands and eventually cities. There's a reason for that. Its simply far more productive and efficient. People who don't go along with large social group dynamics stand no chance. They'll be dealt with.

[@monke9638]

If someones plan A in an emergency situation is to steal from their neighbors/community (barring outlier situations like relying on a controlled substance or other medication that you are not able to stockpile) I have to question their moral compass.

[@poolee77]

Morals are usually the first thing out the window in a desperate situation

[@edgaraf9411]

Indeed, as if storing supplies isnt a better option at first anyways

[@RenaissanceGinger]

"enough ammo to make a National Guard armory blush"

[@LaneB16]

The whole “your preps are going to be my preps, thank you!” style comments are from mouth breathers. I wouldn’t worry about them, they are not going to last the first 5 minutes in this activity. They will be the loot drops, not whoever they think they’re going to loot lmao

[@nightowl9519]

Thats true, mostly. I have said similar things on this video as a joke, but keep in mind, raiding and pillaging was the norm for thousands of years. In a true collapse, it wouldn't take long to return.

[@jb7483]

Yes and most looters where dealt with quickly once people caught on, don't forget that.

[@LaneB16]

@@nightowl9519 people have been conditioned for years to believe that looting is wrong. I believe people will not return to this mindset when their loved ones/friends head get canoed with no warning. Most people’s position will be SOS. Mine included.

[@poolee77]

@@LaneB16it literally happens every time there is a natural disaster or riot. Individuals will loot, bigger (some organized) groups than you or I can deal with will loot.

[@lelagrangeeffectphysics4120]

@@nightowl9519do remenber that raiding and pillaging was usually a group activity and generally semi organized, it wasnt just any bandit schmuck that could go around breaking into people houses, it was usually armies or large warband that did it.

[@bibifromsenegal3617]

Buccees occupation force checking in.

[@Pinetreemoto]

Brisket six, going dark

[@bibifromsenegal3617]

@@Pinetreemoto 😂😂

[@quarterpounderwithcheese3178]

Wallys resistance guerillas here. You'll never win!

[@Salkehatchie]

Instead of looting, you can always offer your sword to the farmer with land. Go back to a feudal system, ask to be knighted and become Sir rifleman guarden of the Corn fields.

[@baneofbanes]

Except the guys with swords were the ones who owned the land, and the farmers worked for them. Also aristocracy can go fuck itself. I’m not anyone’s serf.

[@Salkehatchie]

@@baneofbanes best of luck with that mindset.

[@robgrey6183]

I live out here in the mountains of Nowhere, Wyoming. I'm here to tell you that that most of my neighbors, such as they are, are actual farmers and cowboys. They have packs of sons and grandsons. And the girls carry guns. They aren't going to need your help.

[@baneofbanes]

@@Salkehatchie yah how dare I wish to be a free man. You may be fine being someone else’s property, I am not.

[@JHe-f9t]

Honestly this is the most sensible thing I've seen in awhile. A 200 cow dairy can keep 500 people alive pretty much indefinitely, and 500 people can do a lot of labor. Realistically it wouldn't be a feudal system, it'd be a commune, and they'd organize pretty quickly. Cooperation trumps individualism when domestication and agriculture exist which is why human civilization exists and neandertal civilization does not. I bet u and your 3 other friends you train with will totally have a chance to raid a well fed 200 man entrenched position. They'll never see you coming and your cqb training will totally work. They definitely wouldn't have the foresight to have clean sightlines out to 2000 yards with properly zeroed rifles.

[@sectorseven07]

The fact of the matter is, by the time it's TIME to loot, most lawful people will have already lapsed on their timeframe to even be able to loot. Whether that be because of factors such as- the scrubs already got to it before you expended your stores or whether that be because it's quite likely stores of critical items such as food, water, and medicine, will have been exhausted legally by the time we all put our assless chaps on and Mad Max at each other. Really. It takes moving mountains to get us all in a state of open armed conflict in a first world nation on the scale where breaking into critical infrastructure like hospitals in order to loot insulin is even slightly morally tenable. Love that you covered this and I've been considering posting similar thoughts myself. I just don't give enough of a shit to take the time to articulate these things to people. So I'm glad you do.

[@toddsteinlage9030]

Soooo... go to the assless chaps earlier? One step ahead.

[@timp788]

The only parts of my disaster planning that have scavenging/looting attached as SOPs are in the "Zombies" or "post-plague that wiped out 99%+ of the population" sections.

[@maxwellcox2844]

Dirty civ had a good point on the looting stuff. You could not prep and then risk everything for food and water, or you could just prep and not have to during the most dangerous curve of an event or crisis.

[@DB.KOOPER]

I'm a former FF/Medic/Rescue Tech and I went down to Louisiana to volunteer to help with Katrina and worked many wildland fires, evacs and SAR call-outs. _Much_ of the popular 2A "prepping" is complete LARP. Doesn't mean it's useless or detrimental in any way, getting out and shooting and using the things you've bought it fun and a good hobby/training but the speed and dynamic nature of disaster preparedness very difficult and usually means all the little "plans" and gadgets people have for such emergencies get lost or forgotten in the panic. Just learning medical skills and how to be calm in stressful situations can go a LONG way for most folks.

[@Weaksauce730]

Has anyone else noticed the disturbing lack of Cat Footage at the end of Hop's videos? ...I'm just asking questions.

[@BearNecessities-X]

I thought I was the only one...

[@shred1894]

@@BearNecessities-X Does he live near Springfield Ohio?

[@Nater_V]

Didnt the video with Boondock Ballistician have his cat at the end?

[@bradborgelt60]

I think her partner took the cats and Subaru. Hop needs to learn that second date is not a moving van.

[@sortaspicey9278]

Yes, this is a very serious topic that I really wish more people were talking about 😿

[@JosiahActual]

i can't get enough of the SHTF fantasy, always preparing & seeing what others think about the topic as a whole. good stuff dude

[@death-to-dogma6142]

Planning to loot is not a plan.

[@thewrathfulbadger2614]

*everyone trying to find guns and stuff to loot* Me the local Junkyard goblin going around with a cutting torch and looting everyones precious metals:

[@skatemonkey44]

How dare you challenge my booglarp fantasies

[@BrassFacts]

it's actually a ploy to get let competition. You passed the test.

[@natalyasparrow6748]

Love the "how many firefights do you think you'll win" sentiment. In a survival situation, you never want to get into a firefight...ever. Getting through one and leaving with the same number of people and all the body functionality you came with is a miracle in itself. Even professional soldiers with overwhelming technological advantage, access to billion dollar ordnance to support their mission, and the best current tactics and training in the world lose people. If you keep playing that game, eventually you're going to die or lose someone you deeply care about. Guns are an essential tool that you should be proficient with, but should be the last resort when all other avenues of diplomacy have failed and the imminent cost to life outweighs the risks of using lethal force.

[@BandAid350z]

“You loot, we shoot” is common enough after disasters that anyone thinking it’s viable is someone to be heavily avoided. The only scenario I could see where “looting” would take place is in a Red Dawn type scenario. Where civilians are way behind friendly lines and cut off from normal logistics or being supplied via airdrops.

[@toddinfl]

You can have the Walmart. I want the Dollar General...

[@Gulogulo7387]

The local gangs that live up the street from said dollar general "Allow us to introduce ourselves".

[@TheDoorspook11c]

I want the NG armory !

[@rebelscumspeedshop]

It's probably a 10 to 1 ratio, so the odds are in your favor.

[@andreivaldez2929]

"Shipmaster! They outnumber us 3 to 1!" "Then it is an even fight"

[@makevelicustoms]

I read somewhere that the “Dollar General” are usually put in “Ghetto areas” 🫤

[@trioptimum9027]

To be fair, a lot of those "buy something with spare parts available and shooting a common caliber" comments don't HAVE to be about looting. They can just as easily be about trading or sharing, which are excellent things to do if the opportunity presents itself. After all, compatible calibers are a big deal for military weapons, and they're definitely not planning to send a platoon to the abandoned Walmart for resupply: they just want to make sure that you can resupply your buddy. And there are pre-emergency aspects too. If parts for your gun are backordered or ammo is ALWAYS scarce in your oddball caliber, that's going to have an effect on both your training and your ability to maintain your preparedness even when everything is normal.

[@BrassFacts]

for sure, which is why I said it was a good idea in isolation. It's also smart to buy a gun that will always have cheap parts, instead of boutique rifles.

[@SLIMpocalypse]

I enjoyed this format. Shorter format, bullet point style, to the point. It makes digesting the info easier.

[@DerekS-kq3zh]

THANK YOU. So many people say things like this, and aside from being kind of concerning morally, it's just not a sustainable way to survive.

[@tylerhall6455]

Totally agree. I don't plan to scavenge/loot at all. Problem is when your buddies or family show up at your house with very little supplies and now I don't have enough food for all them....then what? On one hand I kinda need some help defending the home, other hand, I have thoughts of turning them away. Hard enough stocking away a years worth of food for you and your woman, let alone 2-4 more people show up. Love to see a video discussing this problem I think we all may have thought of. Not sure what I'll do.

[@BrewMeister27]

I've seen a concerning number of internet comments to the effect of "If I run out of food, I'll just use my PSA rifle to go get more." I'm convinced that in pretty much every SHTF scenario, the people going around and starting gunfights will be hungry people with junk equipment and supplies. Well prepared people, with good supplies and equipment, won't need to raid their neighbors.

[@jonahkolell]

All the wild animals will be gone in less than a week.

[@BrewMeister27]

@@jonahkolell I've heard that seeing a deer during the Great Depression was worthy of reporting in the newspaper. Hunting is simply not a sustainable strategy near heavily populated areas.

[@jonahkolell]

@BrewMeister27 it's crazy how fast some animal populations have been consumed. There used to be caribou in the lower 48/midwest, now there is a single spot in Montana that they go to in winter that is safe.

[@JamesMelton]

Given the immigration situation, any collapse scenario means those people will be moving on from fluffy the cat.

[@Token_Black_Guy]

So they'll all turn into haitians?

[@thatguy3139]

Thanks!

[@cramehoe1]

Looting a dead body is crazy when you think dollar value. If you mange to win a firefight and you loot a guy with an actually combat load (7mags) of 5.56 and they only got off one magazine, that leaves you 6 mags or 180 RDs. At 50 cents a round that’s 90$. You’re leaving your cover/concealment for 90$ of ammo if you buy it today. Makes me want to carry more valuable loot so the guy that shoots and loots me has something to get excited about. Maybe a graphics card or red key card for labs

[@BrassFacts]

I'm only looting if I see a keycard or a multicam flux raider.

[@TexasSurplusPro]

Part of the problem is too many people apply “military” thinking to how civilians should respond to unrest. A lot of this comes from lack of experience and training IMO.

[@AM-321-c6u]

But does Blue Alpha have a +4 Str +4 Stam leather belt belt? Lvl 18?

[@slappomatthew]

Mine are around those stats. My storage squares are better though

[@BlueAlphaBelts]

We're lvl 69

[@ehornad]

My son collects CAPS

[@Kamharam]

My neighbors are mostly cows, so my situation is more like Minecraft. Big steak drops.

[@chimpithh]

“just to troll in cherno” i did not know brass facts was chill like that.

[@BrassFacts]

I'm actually not. I'm on team electro as the superior starting town

[@chimpithh]

@@BrassFacts berinzino all the way but respect🫡

[@johnoliveiram]

We need a vlog series called Brocktato and friends survive the apocalypse, and it’s just you guys coming up with a set of fictional scenarios in a controlled setting and showing us how you’d handle them.

[@BrassFacts]

lmao

[@makinbacon3124]

We are out of power for like a week projected in West North Carolina. Glad I prepared before this but even still there's a lot I am lacking

[@mr.fantastic4403]

Also people kinda forget that looting is antisocial assholish behavior. Does anyone not remember the BLM riots?

[@declineofthewest.]

Low IQ, and low impulse control are directly related.

[@poolee77]

Katrina, BLM riots, all of Africa. Hmmm

[@killertruth186]

I believe the real problem with SHTF, is there’s all kinds of SHTF and most people assumed SHTF is the worst one.

[@badart3204]

@@ChadBoss-qr4hlpeople also forget that the collapse of Rome was not immediate anarchy. Alternative authorities crept in throughout the whole process to put everyone under various forms of new management

[@mr.ballstone1914]

Yeah, they assume everyone will want to kill each other and carry around wagons of loot. What they disregard is that for every doomsday prepper there’s a thousand regular people who would want to get back to watching sunday night football and heading into the office on monday, and the majority often get their way. I’m all for being prepared for disaster, but disaster is followed by reform. It’s not like there haven’t been SHTF moments in modern times. People hunker down with their communities until a provisional government is formed, they get third party aid, or find the means to move out of the region. Anyone who thinks they’ll be living out their warlord fantasy is delusional. This isn’t Fallout. Even if a truly shit situation were to happen, it most likely wouldn’t last longer than a few months once the initial panic passed and people started working to restore their normal lives (turns out, people aren’t content living in disgusting sheds - guess Bethseda never figured that out).

[@Etherman7]

We're seeing what really happens in a WROL situation in America right now in NC. It's both more bleak and more unifying than any stupid brovet fantasy. People will help each other. Lots of people will die no matter how prepared they were, depending on luck and preparedness for incredibly uncommon threats.

[@rondobrondo]

same classic dilemmas, things like: tragedy of the commons, prisoner's dilemma, hedgehog's dilemma, zero-sum thinking, and so on

[@GUARDIAN.13]

People are also worried about stuff like ammo, which is important, but not nearly as important as having water. The amount of people that are going to be unalived because they tried stealing someones water is going to be horribly high.

[@Derakk12062]

I love this style of content, engaging with the community with a contemplative conversation fueled by booze and bullet points. Keep it comin'.

[@Arkancide]

Only thing I think of when I hear the word 'looting' is either video games or "Looters will be shot". Picking up supplies from dead enemies isn't really a bad thing, but if things get bad enough, or YOUR bad enough to start looting simple civilians and their houses... You're a raider and will be dealt with as a raider. Tens of thousands of people in this country are more prepared than you, trained more than you, have better relations with their communities than you. Pockets of righteous, ordered civilization WILL survive anything you can. And they won't put up with nonsense. So go ahead, think you're going to be billy-badass and take what you want. You'll get your comeuppance. Fighting good people is bad for the soul.

[@TrainingVideosChannel4]

Im living this reality rn In western NC. There was no electricity, no gas, no water until recently. Many places are still isolated without anything. Anybody who would want to pull an escape from tarkov tactical looting spree would not get away with it very long. What everyone did wish was they stocked up to wait it out until services return to normal.

[@arkboi6425]

I always starve to death or die from disease/infections in dayz wdym

[@BrassFacts]

play the old school ARMA 2 dayz.

[@arkboi6425]

@@BrassFacts I never said I didn't enjoy suffering 🗿

[@jonwebsterabbott]

It is a good conversation to start. Scavenging in these games is fun as the players know that most of the occupants they will encounter on the loot quest are hostile and the game is geared toward providing enemies of a beatable level. In the real world going into a building can result in anything.

[@jghuf5674]

Ah, I just sat down to poop and this popped up. Life is good.

[@ExtremelyAverageMan]

I read this in Hickok's voice 😆

[@ACMaddocks]

As someone who has over 1000 hours in Seven Days to Die, this video is of great interest to me

[@jarvy251]

The only "lessons" anyone should take from tarkov is that wandering around looking for stand-up fights with a similar equipped opponent is going to leave you with arterial bleeds and shattered limbs you have no way of treating, and at any moment a toothless degenerate with a clapped-out break-action shotgun could flip your off switch.

[@kema4545]

I always appreciate the background music and how you end the video with your dog.

[@godwarrior3403]

Me sitting here with well over 1000 rounds, tons of gauze, TQs, mags, plate carrier, multiple weapons, all in the same room.... realizing I better get REALLY good at stopping people from getting in here if s ever htf 😂

[@godwarrior3403]

@@ChadBoss-qr4hl Yup.

[@_iso_553]

Number one pet peeve in regards to firearms/preparedness discussion is the people who make looting their plan A and get mad at you because you are bougie enough to have spare parts and more than enough ammo to fill all your mags. Thank you. Now I have something to send these people instead of talking to them.

[@Tragic387]

You being in Utah I got to imagine you’ve read part of some of the black autumn series? First book I think is a pretty realistic take on how events play out IF you have a gross stockpile of goods. Would highly recommend, the author keeps it fairly grounded in reality

[@jaybyrdz]

Quality perspective man. And its the truth, no one worth their weight in salt is planning to do raids for their needed daily supplies. Not until its been ALONG time and their black on almost everything, I suppose then its do or die. But, like you said, the times are good right now. Go n get what you think you'll need! Store that in your home or w.e. Wait it out n remove anyone who trys to come n get it from you. Always appreciate your content homie

[@__photi__]

Shtf is exactly like tarkov, I'll walk out of my home and instantly get head/eyes'd

[@BrassFacts]

your cheeks are divided.

[@RunningWithSauce]

There are preppers and then there is the dude I just took classes with who brought a .300 blackout and 1500 rounds lol. Instructors kept saying “you know how we know you have an 800 credit score” lol

[@alexm2130]

Hey guys, he said PSA, not Bear Creek so we are good 😂😂.

[@KirkFickert]

Hey now, I’m one of those guys with the spare parts. Back when BCA was having a fire sale on barrels for $35ea I bought a few. Not going to say they are going to be 1 MOA all day but enough to last through more ammo than I have.

[@alexm2130]

​@KirkFickert Right on, my brother. So far, Bear Creek has been good to me!!!

[@koleyo9072]

Bear Creeks sometimes break after 3 mags, probably didn't even consider that people still buy them.

[@alexm2130]

​@koleyo9072 Well, so far, they have been good to me for over three years with no issues, including steel ammo. I guess someone in QC did a good job!

[@alexm2130]

Bear Creek has been good to me for a few years now. Even though steel a m m o.

[@tommydodd2918]

Living in neighborhood that is full of solely winter homes for the most part I’ve already made the decision that if it gets to the point of systemic degradation I don’t feel morally bad for entering those homes and scavenging what I can to provide for the neighborhoods we’ll being.

[@VeraBrightfeather]

Hell, at that point, I'd start requisitioning those homes if they are actually unoccupied and getting homeless people sheltered in them. If SHTF and sheltering in place becomes the safe move, after all...

[@forkthepork]

Also, I don't need to find intel on the enemy's location, the PD is well-lit and has proper signage.

[@jacksonfogleman]

Really enjoy this style if content. Principal / idea based content is greatly appreciated

[@originalpastaman5470]

For SHTF, making friends is arguably the most important skill. For fighting an asymmetric war against a superior foe however.... Let's just say my loadout has scavenger perk on.

[@LeifyGuy]

Another week, another brass facts video I enjoyed, it's the simple things that matter

[@cookie5535]

You aint looting anything, gunfire gonna attract everyone to your position and the loot is gonna be wolf .223 two 2A mags and a Del Ton with an arterial sprayed Amazon-COG 😂. Look at the vids outta baltimore on shorts thats what youll "loot" 😂. Anyone with anything nicer that youd want is gonna be able to kill you just as much as you could them, why risk your life 😂. The name of the game is AVOIDING conflict.

[@poolee77]

Not strictly true. I know a couple in their 50s who have some very nice guns and NODs. They wouldn’t be much work. Especially since the guy had his hips replaced. Granted they are friendly to me and my group, but there are people with good gear that are low hanging fruit.

[@thebanditman5663]

@@poolee77 Hence, you'd do your best to offer them protection in exchange for using gear/supplies.

[@nef36]

- Plays Tarkov - shtf "Just like the simulations"

[@Spessforce]

Amazon prime never stopped delivering during Covid and riots

[@nickolasthefrog]

Amazon could easily acquire armored couriers.

[@corbinkelley186]

Would love a break down of your group’s rifle setups and what everyone is running. Whether that be here or over on the nova group.

[@zebdeming]

I'm just here to see Nova at the end!

[@malcolmliang]

What people forget is that even cheaters die in those looter shooters. And there's no respawn.

[@newerest1]

You should try project zomboid, its less about the shooting and more about logistics in my opinion Its highly fun

[@Saboteur_91]

God I wish they would stream that on Novagroup. Throw in Hop, Camerman and Ballistic Aviation and it’d be hilarious to watch. But they’d have to make their characters as close to themselves irl as possible though

[@BrassFacts]

I've played the shit out of it. Did a play through with hop I need to mod it way more. The base game is kinda boring after awhile.

[@commo2753]

@@BrassFacts Real af. At certain points with mods though it feels like im just collecting awesome cars and funny guns.

[@Kfgk14]

The sound at opening...life truly imitates art

[@greencreekranch]

the people with that mindset are the literal reason for guns are part of preparedness. you are not the lone wanderer, you are the raider. and after youve run out of your second neighbors ravioli aswell, cause youve never bothered invest some time in to learning how to plan supplies, someone will realize you are a threat to all the people who either did their preps or decided to be a useful part of a community and then the most skilled out of those that see you for what you are, will decide to take care of the thread you pose. Have your shit together, so that you dont have to rely on luck and so you dont make your self the issue of people more dangerous than you.

[@gunrunner6764]

This exact topic is why getting a group together is very hard. To much video game thinking

[@Vanfools]

I'm a dayz pro so I'm ready for shtf

[@BrassFacts]

lets meet at the airfield.

[@kalanipitmon7817]

And ur right, been working overtime every week all year and its helped me stay afloat WHILST still buying everything i need.